ZombiU was a fantastic Wii U launch title, but one which sold poorly and didn't generate any profit for publisher Ubisoft. Its dismal commercial performance put the brakes on the development of a sequel, but it would appear that the French company is now looking for alternative ways of generating more revenue from the game.
Unseen64 has been told by a reliable source that Ubisoft is working on porting the game to Xbox One and PS4, turning this Wii U exclusive into a multi-format affair. Naturally this would involve changing many elements of the gameplay - you won't be able to scan rooms using the Wii U GamePad on the PS4 and Xbox One, for starters.
While it might be tempting to take this rumour with a pinch of salt, Unseen64's track record on this kind of thing is faultless, and we actually heard rumblings of a very similar variety earlier in the year ourselves. Could ZombiU be revealed in its new guise at E3? Time will tell.
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I bought Zombi U , really liked it, wish we were getting a sequel on Wii U.
This is bull crap
I bought Zombi U, really liked it, wish we were getting a sequel on Wii U
Well this was the one I (amoung others) thought Tantalus Media would be porting to PS and Xbox as reported:
http://nintendoeverything.com/tantalus-wii-u-port-will-be-announced-soon-coming-out-this-year-studios-biggest-project-yet/
If they are doing the port, this isn't surprising to me.
Yet another slap in the face to Nintendo from Ubisoft. I hope they realize if it doesn't have the game pad elements it will just be another generic zombie game.
I don't even care anymore.
What would they call it?
Zombie Exclusive U-Turn?
No?
Like @locky-mavo I've suspected this ever since Tantalus said they were porting a Wii U game to PS4/Xbone. There's not really a ton of options for it to be anything else. I don't think the game is that great, but Kudos to Ubisoft for actually creating an original Wii U game for launch (something they didn't do for PS4 or Xbone I might add, they just got PS3/360 ports). It reminds me a lot of Red Steel. Nice idea, nice to see something new, but...
Much of the charm and atmosphere of the game for me was made by the use of the gamepad. It'll be interesting to see if they use second screen technology like SmartGlass on Xbox One.
I don't think Zombiu will be ported, but I do think some form of a sequel will be on Ps4 & Xbox one (unlikely Wii U). Think it will be a step-up from ZombiU.
@Tsurii Yeah, it was a huge improvement. Seems a common thing with new Ubisoft IP as it was the same for Assassins Creed. Maybe this and Watch Dogs will see much better sequels.
Okay? I mean, sure, why not? It's a very good survival game, so I like the idea of people who don't own a WiiU also getting a chance to play it. But what about the GamePad integration? They could probably show your character looking down onto his PDA, but that still sounds kinda boring by comparison.
But I'm interested to see critical reactions on it. Many people thought it would be watered down because it's a Nintendo-exclusive (which it wasn't), or said the controls were kinda wonky (which they were) - let's see how these critical points fare with reviews on XBone/PS4, and whether Ubisoft tries to improve the games' issues or not.
Gonna be interesting to see how they build around the fact that those two consoles do not come with a second screen build in.
What made this game special was the second screen. It is still one of the best games to showcase what is possible.
Instead of doing that re-release it to be a much better game, it was too early to generate big profits at that time
ZombiU was great because of the gamepad interaction. Things like map and inventory checking became massive risks. Take that out and its a standard game. Controls was wonkey for the sane reason as resident evils was, make combat panicky and unreliable
zombie who?
Enough with the zombies ugh just stop.
This is great news. More people should play this fantastic game. It was the first game I got, but as has been stated above its unique inventory and realtime map help a lot
OK. If it sales, maybe we'll gonna play a sequel.
Truly a great game, one of my favorites from recent years. But without the gamepad... I'm not so sure about that. Seems more a remake than a simple port. Not going to be jealous over pointless stuff like this.
Do you think ZombiU will be remembered in 15 years? Do you think it really matters if it is not an exclusive anymore? This game will age fast, and it will age bad. I mean, is there any (main series) Legend of Zelda/Mario/Metroid/Pokemon/SmashBros game ever released that is considered to be sh*t today? Be it NES, Gameboy, SNES, GBA, N64, GameCube, DS, Wii, 3DS... they all aged incredibly well, and will definitely be remembered (and replayed!).
Except for the Virtual Boy, of course. Let's just pretend that never happened...
PS. I actually own ZombiU on my WiiU and quite enjoyed it. I just think it was nowhere near "first-party quality standards".
Does anyone actually believe that this will sell on Xbox One and PS4 with all the other games coming out from both first and third party publishers? Also it's not like there aren't a million other zombie games out there. Bad move Ubisoft.
Lucky One & ps4 users. If they manage to adapt it correctly they'll get a pretty good game. I just hope this doesn't mean that we will never see this franchise on Nintendo hardware in the future (I know it means exactly this).
I didn't rate Zombi U highly so wouldn't get the sequel if it ever happened, also why are people complaining you all played this like 3 years ago now so what it is getting ported unless it gets tons of new features and modes what is actually the problem?
Well, it's such a great game. Wonder how it will turn out on the other two systems. Could make potential for a sequel.
I do find it hard to believe Ubisoft haven't made any profits from this game by now. It looks rough as hell, so not a massive dev team. It sold well at launch for a few weeks. And a year later it's always on sale for €20 or €10 on the eshop. Loads of people would buy it then with at least a small bit of profit to be made 3 years later.
@Tsurii You acknowledge that Ubisoft made a good game yet you fault them for being annoyed that it sold like ass on the Wii U. Do you even know how much time and effort had to be put into making that game? It must be heart breaking to have that go unappreciated commercially.
If this is true then it saddens me that this couldn't have been a successful Wii U exclusive but I can't blame Ubisoft in the slightest for wanting to see it on other consoles where it has at least a slightly higher chance of selling.
Hope this flops big time for them
I loved Zombie U it was a great addition to the survival horror genre. I loved it's approach to zombies and how even one could be a threat. One of the things that made Zombie U great though was it's gamepad integration which really added to the atmosphere. I wish we were getting a sequel.
@PinkSpider Ubisoft actually supported the Wii U well around launch compared to most developers, didn't stop most of their games selling appallingly so why should this flop?
Can't see why people are getting so upset over this. Wii U would still have hadyears of exclusivity plus you can't fault Ubisoft for wanting to actually make back some of the money they lost developing this classic game. Fair play to Ubisoft for trying to support Wii U in its launch period. Nobody bought the games for Wii U so they don't release them anymore.
ZombiU was an excellent game and it deserves more recognition. It's done all it could for the WiiU and it made really unique use of the gamepad. Haters are gonna hate but you cannot fault the effort Ubisoft made to create a truly unqiue WiiU title. I hope with a release on other systems it gets some more credit (though I believe it will struggle to generate the same fear and stress without the gamepad). This game left me properly scared and I cannot say that for many games.
@helbertpina "I mean, is there any (main series) Legend of Zelda/Mario/Metroid/Pokemon/SmashBros game ever released that is considered to be sh*t today?" Yes, Zelda 2.
I'm the only one here who doesn't seem to like Zombi-U
Hoping this rumor is proven fake as soon as possible. For starters, what is it going to be called? "Zombee-ess-four"? "Zombox-One"? Yeah, I know that titles aren't everything and this is just a silly complaint on my part, but then again, we all saw what happened with Affordable Space Adventures.
Also, don't the PlayStation and Xbox families of consoles already have enough adult games that skipped Nintendo hardware? Do they really need to hog even the ones that are exclusive to Nintendo consoles too?
It's going to lose a lot of its appeal without the gamepad. It's like that time people pretended Rayman Legends on other systems was as good as the WiiU version when 1/4 of the levels were made to use the touchscreen.
@bitleman
Yeah, I forgot to mention the Gamepad.
Actually not mad about this. If it sells well we may get a sequel. I WILL be mad if we don't get said sequel on WiiU though.
I liked the idea of the game and thought London looked great, but unfortunately I didn't much enjoy the game. Bringing it over to PS/XBO would be a bit of a kick in the teeth to Nintendo. Mainly because the game has 'U' in the title.
One of the most boring Wii U games I've played (although it had potential) is now possibly going elsewhere... Meh.
Doubt it's gonna sell that well when far better games in the same kind of genre already exist on other consoles. The stigma of being a wii U port will follow it.
@Ryu_Niiyama
We most likely won't, given the track record. A lot of stuff used to spread its wings on Nintendo console only for its sequel to give us the middle finger.
Well, you know what this means. If it sells well on PS4 and Xbox One then we won't end up seeing a sequel on Wii U as always. It'll just come to the other current gen consoles, which is a really big shame because I loved ZombiU. It's one of my favorite zombie games and one of my favorite Wii U games in general.
@AlexSora89 Well Ubi is already on thin ice with me. AC is a mess, no PoP and their Wiiu "support". Fallout 4 is on the way, which pretty much means any dev/publisher that isn't on my must have list is getting ignored. I take chances when I don't have a massive time sink game to work on.
I don't see the issue with having it ported to another system. More games on more systems is a good thing.
I never really cared about this game, and I'm pretty much done caring about anything Ubisoft is putting out. Meh.
Then what will they call it? Sticking to ZombiU would make no sense...
So... the game sold 850 million copies on the Wii U... so... how did they not profit off of this? How much money did they spend developing this?
It's cool that non-Wii U owners get to to play this now. I really enjoyed this title, despite the flak that it got. Now Tantalus needs to announce the game that they're porting over to Wii U.
If it is a basic port of the game I cant see it selling better on either XB1 or PS4. I just dont think 1 million XB1 owners are going to line up in anticipation of this. The appeal was the uniqueness of the gamepad. Now it will just be an old game that isn't as good as a handful of other zombie games.
For all the money UbiSoft lost on this game most of it wasn't lost because of this game. The whole concept and the original game were scraped and this was a result of them trying to salvage something from nothing.
why are people angry that other gamers might get the chance to play a good game?! people are so salty
I still find it crazy they weren't happy with that kind of game hitting close to a million copies sold on the Wii U. Greedy jerks.
I hope they at least rename it and take the U off. The could call it Zombie P, oh wait, that might not sound very enticing.
Doesn't seem likely. Even if they did the name change and dumbed down the mechanics to remove the GamePad features around which the game was built, would they really expect spectacular sales to come from it a second time?
Unless, of course, they handle its marketing in the exact opposite manner as they have with the Wuu and the new name were really zazzy, then maybe, but I wouldn't care. If anything, it'd just make me buy another new Wii U copy of ZombiU, just because.
I bought zombi u and hmmmm
Not really a surprise. If they have an opportunity to turn a loss into breaking even without having to reinvent the wheel, it makes sense.
The zombie genre, like survival-horror in general, isn't for me, but it was cool that we had a third-party exclusive for a couple of years.
Besides: we got Bayonetta. Fair's fair.
This would be beyond stupid... and yet, we're talking about Ubisoft here so who knows really. The name wouldn't really be a problem, just call it "Zombi" and pretend it's a Zombi remake (given that is what ZombiU essentially is, a remake/successor to one of Ubisoft's first games Zombi), but seeing how low review scores were given to what would be the definitive version of the game (as the game would have to be dumbed down to allow PS4 / Xbox One controls) I honestly doubt it would sell.
If we're going to go by what Tantalus said, Ubisoft has their own team for porting games. They don't need a third party developer to do it for them.
As for the Wii U game being ported towards next-gen systems, I guess it would have to be Funky Barn despite its poor reviews, unless Ubisoft REALLY wants Tantalus to port their game.
I hope it comes to xbox 360 as not everyon has xbox one.
ZombiU is fine, it's just a shame Nintendo didn't do more to help it along further.
That said, I should pick it up sometime. I'm still salty that I can't get a physical copy of Pikmin 3.
Wow...this is weird. I just had a dream I was in ZombiU but it was the opening section of a sequel. Then I wake up and see this. O.o
I can't blame Ubisoft, unfortunately.
@Tsurii Are you kidding me? You said you understand the decision from a business perspective but you simultaneously call it unreasonable. What?
Let's say, theoretically, they do make a sequel for the PS4/Xbox. How could you hold that against them? It's not as if game developers are running a charitable operation here: they are trying to make money. And there's no morality issue here either - they made a game for one system and it didn't sell well; the reasonable move would be to see how it fares on other consoles, especially since the console in question that it launched on was the Wii U.
It's not like Ubisoft (or any other third party company) owes allegiance to Nintendo and its consumers. The simple fact is that most people complaining about this are butthurt that a game for their system may no longer be exclusive to that system. And the beauty of it is that I'm willing to bet a good percentage of the people complaining didn't even buy the game at full price, around its launch period.
Honestly, I kind of expect this to happen if it sold poorly.
It may be a good thing though, maybe. If they are happy with the final tally, sequels may get made, and maybe, it will grace the NX. MAYBE.
Personally, I tried it, but didn't like it that much. It was a good effort, especially when using the gamepad, but I just didn't like how you had to push in the right stick to run. I had so many false starts that resulted in death because of the silly placement. It should have been simply placed on a shoulder button.
What the heck? Will it still have the Wii U symbol in the logo?
@ikki5
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere on NL that Ubisoft doesn't consider something a success until it reaches 1 million. I am assuming you mean 850,000 — not 850 million
@Onion851
That is a really good question!
I really enjoy ZombiU and if they want to port it then fair enough, the only thing is that the element that really made the game stand out to me was the fantastic use of the pad. Without it, it just seems like another Zombie game to which each system has its own good ones already. If they can make anything more back from the wiiu assets great, but I think that the time working around the games great features that would make it seem generic, could cost as much as they make back.... Unless they are planning on releasing a sequel on those systems and are planning on a loss on the port just to encourage sales of the sequel.
Sold poorly? Didn't this game sell nearly a million copies? Plus I'm pretty sure it's Ubisoft's highest selling Wii U game (because "mature" games don't sell on the console).
Just because Ubisoft consider it a poor seller doesn't mean you should :/
If it's a sequel then it better be on Wii U!!
@Jazzer94 Reviewers slammed the Wii U release for effectively not being a very good shooter.
The kicker? It was never designed as a shooter.
@C-Olimar
It doesn't matter how many copies it can sell. It's up to Ubisoft to decide if the game was a success. Unfortunately for Nintendo, Ubisoft sets pretty high bars, even with this being an exclusive launch title.
If they believe it didn't sell well, then that's how it is. And in all honestly, it didn't sell that great, if anything, it sold OK. I can't blame them.
This'd be awesome if it led to a sequel, that also came out on Wii U.
A port sounds cool. ZombiU got lots of flak, but I always thought it was a good game and would love to see it available to more people.
What distresses me about this news is that it means a sequel is possible, and that sequel would almost certain skip Wii U. Thus I wouldn't be able to play it... so yeah, kind of mixed emotions.
Soo... It's going from Zombi U to Zombi All or.. Zombie Me? Let's see how many of those that called the game crap until it shows up on their system. I loved this game, even though I found it difficult at times. Why wouldn't confronting zombies be difficult.
I would be more than fine with this coming to over consoles! I pick this up day one at the launch of the WiiU (I got the ZombiU bundle!) and loved it. The thing I hate most is that whenever I talk to people about it they just dismiss it as a gimmicy WiiU game.
Nintendo had its years of exclusivity and it didn't sell amazingly, I don't think Ubisoft are doing anything wrong by finally porting it over to other places- I just wonder how they'lll make the gamepad features work, especially the multiplayer!
Ubisoft are bull arseholes!
Well, if this is true, I don't expect it to be the ZombiU we played...simply because it would be impossible. The GamePad integration streamlined menus in a way that can't be done effectively without a second screen. On top of that, the map was a necessity that would just add to screen clutter (and they'd have to find another way to do pings). Then, once you factor all of that out of it, the multiplayer can't work at all without a second screen.
I thought ZombiU was great and it was one of the reasons I bought a Wii U. Of course, why would a PS4 or One owner get it? They've already got Dying Light... ZombiU is no Dying Light. Unless they completely overhaul the ZombiU control scheme, the game will be too slow paced for the average gamer...I mean, look at how fast paced other zombie themed games are. Maybe it'll see an audience with the Dark Souls/Bloodborne fanbase...
Also, we're not getting a sequel... Regardless of how this rumored port sells. If Ubisoft was going to give us a sequel, we likely would have had it by now.
This'll just be Resident Evil Revelations 2 all over again.
It's all good since Rayman legends sold better on wii u anyway.but besides that,next week when they announce method prime 4 for wii u next week no one will care anyway.
Well, this would certainly be typical Ubisoft, so I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be true.
Personally I really enjoyed Zombi U and I hate zombie games so that's impressive. I can't see how a port would be even halfway functional but that's for the programmers to work out. It would certainly lose something in the atmosphere, though.
You know it would sell (because it's a good game, regardless of review scores) and then the inevitable sequel will pass over the Wii U. That's what has me mad. Ubisoft knows what it can do with itself.
@C-Olimar
To be fair, the game was a launch title and benefitted from that saleswise as there was a limited selection of new games to buy. Not to mention the fact that various sales recently have dropped its price to the $10-15 range.
Great!!! Give it a graphical update, 1080/60 fps... change the controls (yay, no gimmicky & annoying gamepad controls!!), and it will sell like crazy!
I loved the game, bucket loads of atmosphere and great overall game design. Yeah it had some issues, it WAS a launch game after all! I can't see the original translating well as a port, it would need allot of reworking and the gameplay would change too much. It would however sell and make them money so who knows?
Another thing, the article states the game made a loss, I believe this to be INCORRECT, the statements I have read indicate the game sold below expectations and missed profit targets but turned in some level of reward for their investment! Greedy Ubisoft!!!!
I loved ZombiU. If this is what takes for more people to play it, then so be it. Just remember you nexgen dudebros, before you bash it in any way, "Wii" played it first. Now, I'd have a Bono for ZombiU2...
I don't really care since the experience will be a lot different on XB1/PS4, probably worst, and as long as a Nintendo system still gets future installments of the series.
You've got to be kidding me. I just....UGH! It's going to be so awkward when Nintendo tries to get Ubisoft to come back for next-gen!
It'll flop. ZombiU was great because it used the Gamepad well, not because it's actually a good game. It wasn't a bad game, by any means, but it's nothing memorable. It will sell "okay" at best. Not to mention that this is just a big insult to Nintendo.
Ubisoft is basically the new EA, in my opinion. I liked Ubisoft in the GameCube and Wii days, but since then they've sold there souls for a quick buck, why they release a hundred assassin's creed games but nothing really original or fun anymore.
If this is what Tantalus are porting what games could we possibly get in return? The wii u already has watchdogs I'm not too familiar with what ubi have brought out in the last year,far cry 4?
PS4 plus Vita as your Gamepad would work fine.Had this game for two years now, I should probably have a go of it.
So dumb if they're really doing this. Talk about a waste of time and money. Zombie U wasn't even that great, and by 8th gen standards, it's not up to snuff to what's coming out on PS4 and Xbox One right now. "Put down your Bloodborne, Halo, and MGSV, and buy our three year old port of a Wii U game with PS3 and 360 graphics!" Genius idea Ubisoft.
oh woo - I wish I had just bought a PS4 to get a 2yr old wii u game. Apart from that it was a good game, surprised more people didn't pick it up
This is funny another stab to Wiiu owners good job! But what's the point of this? The first didn't sell well and don't believe anybody here it wasn't amazing it wasn't bad either it was okay a good start for a new IP but Ubisoft didn't care. In the end it's not worth the time you won't get your money back Oobiesoft tough luck.
If true, those non Wii U players will finally be able to experience this masterpiece of a game... a gimped sucky version of course because the masterpiece was the GamePad in essence, but still something of this fantastic game which is nice for them. Truly groundbreaking game.
@andyg1971 that wouldn't work fine at all. It will have the usual lag and suckiness of that setup.
I still play s could hours of zombiu a month. It's a great game but just gets boring in long stretches. I've got close too 100 hours now though.
I expected a sequel to appear and go for XBO and PS4, but if true, they may be doing this first to test the waters to see if the sequel would be viable.
Am I the only one who thinks this is great news? I loved ZombiU and I want as many people as possible to experience it. Who cares if it's not console exclusive? It's not like people were buying WiiUs just to play an obscure launch title. It was just sitting forgotten and stagnating for the longest time, so maybe this time it will get more attention and they will make a sequel for PS4 and Xbox One. If they do, I won't complain. It'll be a game sequel we may have never seen if it were never re-released.
@CaveDweller You are the first sensible commenter I have seen here. Let's say the re-release gets a lot of attention and they make a sequel. If they make that sequel for Xbox One and PS4 I will be happy because we never would have seen a sequel otherwise.
If true, which it probably is, It's no surprise really. It will be interesting how they translate the gamepad features to those consoles. We can rosy colored tree at Ubi all we want, with Rayman it was valid, with this not so much, the game was a launch title that sold underwhelming numbers, I don't see it selling super well on those consoles either, but who knows...
You guys not understanding how the two screens of the Wii U version could be translated seem to be overlooking that the second screen on the Wii U is nothing more than a second camera looking at something other than the play screen. They can easily overlay this stuff on TV screen or split the two cameras to the single output. It's really not that difficult. The only thing to be replaced would be simple touch-screen controls. Not a big deal.
This stuff isn't a huge deal because the Wii U GamePad really doesn't and didn't offer anything so drastically different that it couldn't be done on any other platform.
@Totaldude911
"Am I the only one who thinks this is great news? I loved ZombiU and I want as many people as possible to experience it. Who cares if it's not console exclusive?"
I agree with you, it really doesn't matter at this point, and if anything it renews interest in the game, so I think everyone wins in this situation.
The part I don't agree with is loving the game, haha. I gave it a go, but just didn't like the controls, in particular, running was an issue for me.
Still though, I'd be open for sequels, and this would only help that idea.
@DefHalan
A Nintendo system will not get future installments of this game. Ubisoft quite clearly stated that Watch_Dogs was the last major title, and last M-rated game from them for the system.
Nothing will piss me off more than for this game to get a sequel and not come to a Nintendo platform. I am fine with this going to PS4 and Xbone because it deserves the sales.
@Quorthon
have you played the game? Sure the second screen could be adapted to a smaller screen on the tv, but the point of looking through your pack on the gamepad was to add to the tension, to be quick, or be eaten, that effect would be lost by putting it on the tv. It may be minor, but it does change how you play.
I have no opinion either way. If PS4 and XB1 gets ZombiU PS4/XB1 owners who don't want to buy a Wii U can enjoy it. If ZombiU stays an exclusive, more exclusives for Nintendo.
@RoomB31
The Last of Us handled the same idea just fine. Sure it wasn't the whole screen, but the tension was still there.
@Phil_Kavadias
Oh man, you've struck a good memory for me by saying that name. Red Steel 2 was one of my favorite games on the Wii.
Cool, might have to check that out.
@Kaze_Memaryu Besides the fact that this rumor is probably BS, they could theoretically make it work on Xbox One/PS4 by offering additional functionality through integration of PS Vita/Xbox SmartGlass as an alternative to the second screen of the Wii U's GamePad.
Nintendo exclusive zombie games going multiplat is the new black.
@Moon I doubt that the name will be a problem, at least for the die hard Xbox and Playstation crowd, that wouldn't want to play on a Nintendo console even if they got paid to do it. They will probably think the "U" refers to the game being made by Ubisoft...
@andyg1971 That's how Sony is treating the Vita in North America anyhow.
@Quorthon I figure Ubisoft has enough experience working with all of the hardware that a port isn't rocket surgery. Makes sense to put in small effort for a game that's already done and see if it makes a ripple.
Not really getting why anyone's mad at Ubisoft about this. They didn't promise us any additional games that don't show up (Hi, Capcom!), and I can't believe that most of us Wii U enthusiasts are pointing at ZombiU as a reason to get the system.
how will they name it though? ZombieX? ZombiePS? anyway.. I know it's all business but.. ot seems like a real jerk move on Ubisoft's part
Lol props to the number of individuals who totally called this happening. We predicted one wii u exclusive would care ome to the ps4/xboxone and most predicted zombieu
meh
This doesn't surprise me. I kinda guessed it was going to be this when some company announced porting a Wii U exclusive a while ago. There wasn't really much else they could have ported.
I'm not too bothered though. I never bothered with ZombiU. It came at a time where I was already thoroughly sick of zombie games clogging up the market. Coincidentally, the port is coming at a time where I'm thoroughly sick of Ubisoft.
Good. Hope it sells well so we can get a sequel. Loved the first one. Will be interesting to see what they do with it on ps4/xbone. Will they bother doing second screen stuff, both of which can do it..or just make it more of a standard fps. Will they charge full price for it or maybe make it a $40 game instead of a $70.
Not bothered at all that its no longer exclusive. WiiU owners are the only ones to blame. Theyre the ones who didnt buy the game.
Ubisoft know which side their bread is buttered
Ubisoft know which side their bread is buttered
@BarryDunne
It was definitely one of the best games I've played in a while. Both the story and game play were fantastic.
Once I get a PS4 (who knows when that'll happen), it's definitely on my list to buy.
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