While there are many opinions regarding the ongoing challenges of successfully collecting amiibo, the continually expanding range - there'll even be a Chibi-Robo figurine - suggests that it's a major part of Nintendo's plans. The possibilities for expansion are certainly vast.
Clues to Nintendo's intentions can be found in various ways, meanwhile, and Redditer ZoomBoppo has found something interesting by apparently digging into the coding of amiibo - naturally a serving of salt is recommended, but it's an interesting read.
In a post on the amiibo sub-reddit, the idea of mining the NFC chips of individual figures for their data has produced a pattern that could potentially have tipped Nintendo's hand. ZoomBoppo explains:
So every amiibo character has an 8-byte identification on pages 21 and 22 of the NFC chip. This info contains the general character on page 21 (ie. SSB Mario, SMB Mario, and Golden Mario all have the same page 21), and the print number on page 22 (basically sorted by the number that appears on the upper-right of EU packaging).
Here's an example of Mario's page 21.
00 00 00 00
Simple, right? Here's Luigi and Peach.
00 01 00 00
00 02 00 00
Now take Pit:
07 40 00 00
It appears that the first byte as well as the leading 4 bits of the second byte define what game series the character belongs to, while the trailing 4 bits define the specific character. 000_ is the Mario series; 074_ is the Kid Icarus series.
Using this as a starting point, a comparison was made between various series and their characters. Among the findings?
Here's another interesting case, Rosalina & Luma:
00 04 01 00
Rosalina & Luma is defined as the second version of the Rosalina character with this third byte, meaning an amiibo of Rosalina alone is very possible.
Although the writer reserved scepticism, this would stand to reason given what we think we know about the Mario Party 10-related amiibo.
And within all of the speculation, the following implication may be a dream come true, or a wallet destructive nightmare:
The Pokemon characters also don't follow this ID convention as strictly. Below are the Pokemon in the order Charizard, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Lucario, Greninja:
19 06 00 00
19 19 00 00
19 27 00 00
1a c0 00 00
1b 92 00 00
It would appear from the previous findings that these characters are all from different series, but that is actually not the case. For the Pokemon, the second byte represents a simple number, and the first byte represents a multiple of 256 to add to that number, with 19 being 0, 1a being 1, and 1b being 2 (512).
When you convert the hex to decimal and add the 256s, you get some oddly familiar numbers:
06 from hex = 6, 6 + 0 = 6
19 from hex = 25, 25 + 0 = 25
27 from hex = 39, 39 + 0 = 39
c0 from hex = 192, 192 + 256 = 448
92 from hex = 146, 146 + 512 = 658
These are the Pokemons' corresponding National Pokedex numbers. This means that there is space reserved for all 700+ Pokemon.
A conclusion naturally being drawn is that if Nintendo goes all out with 'mon amiibo, perhaps in a future game, amiibo cards would be the likely avenue as opposed to 700+ figurines.
You can read the whole of the post here. There are additional findings including the likelihood of Mii Fighter amiibo figurines, already planned Mario related series left unannounced, and the possibility for pre-planned, Nintendo related series we haven't yet heard about. While this should all be considered rumour, the financial boon of the amiibo market perhaps makes these conclusions a matter of "when", not "if".
[source reddit.com]
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I'll...I'll have to sell my body?
@AyeHaley Would it make enough money though?
or maybe they were having fun while coding and just wanted to put their dex number in there just because?
To be honest this would be far more shocking if the numbers were assigned randomly.
Plus no matter what people may think, Nintendo do not have a number of trademarkable characters to assign to every number, and there is a limit to how many more characters they can amiibolise (I've just made that word up) into figures we actually want or have use in a game.
If the Pokemon werent coded with their numbers I would have been severly disappointed in Nintendo. I think cards are more likely than amiibo figures, but I really wouldnt be surprised to see them do a limited run of every figure.
Of course almost all amiibo not named Mario serm to be on a limited run so thst may be redundant.
That seems believable. As a computer engineering student, I can vouch for the reasoning behind those codes, but it could simply just be a way of making each character have a definite unique code, rather than implying all the gaps will be filled. For example, if there was a standalone amiibo (say treecko) for a game like Super Mystery Dungeon, instead of finding an empty spot in the codes, just use the algorithm to translate it into it's respective amiibo code.
I believe amiibos will push nintendo into either reviving or creating new characters and IP. Cause I honestly can't imagine them continuously making new Mario amiibos, kids will tire of it easily seeing the same characters over and over. They need to continue sparking interest with new characters. Of course they still have a LOT they can use before having to make entirely new characters. But I feel even Chibi-Robo is a sign of this. Sudden revival with a figure that could likely spark a new interest in Chibi-Robo and potentially expand the IP into a full blown franchise if kids and collectors buy up his amiibo and upcoming game.
This sounds like future-proofing for just in case Nintendo ever did anything amiibo related to pokemon.
That was actually really fun to read about. Thanks for this!
Also, I'm just curious. Where does Donkey Kong fall then in terms of his code? Is he filed as a Mario character or a Donkey Kong character since he has his own franchise?
Same goes for Wario.
@ShanaUnite As long as I don't mention its used
The Pokemon trading card game could end up beings the amiibo cards for Pokemon, just like the E-reader Pokemon cards way back when.
@MrWalkieTalkie I imagine that DK and Wario would be listed as their own series, like Yoshi.
Huh, that's really intriguing stuff. But I wouldn't put it past Nintendo that they simply have a little insider gag going here.
Kinda no surprise there (in the speculation, the coding stuffs are always interesting!), they coded the pokemon amiibo so that they can even make the whole range if they wish so. It's unlikely they'll get that far, but in case they want all of our money and blood then everything it's already set!
I would love Amiibo Sableye...
more Pokemon amiibo please! I'll take them in preferably figurine form, but cards will work too, we just need more functionality in games for them!
Sooooo 721 Pokemon. 721 x $12.99 = $9,365.79 PLUS sales tax (let's use California (yay)). $9,365.79 + 9% = $10,208.71. BUT WAIT! We demand shiny forms of all Pokemon. 721 x 2 = 1,442 Pokemon ... x $12.99 = $18,731.58 + 9% = $20,417.42....
Oh and also you will need shelves. Walmart has cheap and solid 23" inch ones for $18. Each one can nicely display 12 figures. So 721 and 1,442 divided by 12 is 60 or 120 shelves. 60 and 120 times $18 is $1,080 and $2,160. Plus sales tax is $1,177.20 and $2,354.40.
(yay free shipping)
Which brings the total to $11,385.91 for non-shiny wanting noobs or $22,771.82 for the real fans.
HOWEVER! Move to Delaware, Oregon, Montana, Alaska, or New Hampshire (no sales tax) AND get a job within an Amiibo retailer (discount, duh) and maybe, just maybe, you won't have to sell ALL of you and your family's major organs. But some...you'll definitely need to sell some.
@rjejr
There, what you have been asking for! When parents all over the world cry in agony, I will tell them 'it was his idea and he is a parent too!'
I think it's more likely that Nintendo is just keeping their Amiibo options open in the coding rather than already having specific plans for all of them.
Imagine if EVERY Pokémon got a figure. I can't wait to see people mad at not being able to get something ridiculous like Nosepass or something completely mundane like Finneon.
If this happened, I'd personally just get my favourites, (Ludicolo, Rotom, Galvantula) and then move on with my life. There's no way I could "catch 'em all".
Maybe I'd also get the overly silly ones as well; I'd get Exeggcute so I could say I had an official Nintendo figurine depicting an angry pile of eggs.
I doubt that EVERY Pokémon is getting a proper figure though - I wouldn't be surprised if, instead, amiibo technology was incorporated into the Pokémon trading cards. Wasn't there actually something like that for the e-reader?
Aren't they planning to make animal crossing card amiibo's? I can definitely see the pokemon trading cards hanf amiibo function, or just pokemon card amiibo's happening. In a future pokemon game, it could be a VERY interesting thing to have!
Amiibo Arceus
O no, it's going to be the Pokémon trading cards all over again... multiplied by Amiibo warfare! We're doomed... doooooomed...
@Trotinator661
The cards will likely cost considerably less.
I wonder if they'll ever continue the Rumble figures under the amiibo name? They seem totally forgotten about and it's really hard to find them now for a decent price. I'd love to see them do those smaller, budget figures again for something like Animal Crossing. Cards are nice but the figures are what I'm after!
But Pokemon cards seem a no-brainer.
Wow that's actually really impressive they were able to decipher the amiibo code!
Is there any evidence Alph is getting an amiibo in that code?
@sinalefa - "'it was his idea and he is a parent too!'"
But they'll only release in Japan and will be small like the Pokemon Rumble toys and only $5 each. They wouldn't need too much space for 700 of these machines.
So... More amiibo are coming. What a revelation!
@Captain_Gonru - When can I have an NFC chip implanted in my pinky so I can put myself in the game? Though Apple probably already has dibs on that.
I just read yesterday some quotes from Iwata - at least I think it was him - saying how "figures" where only 1 method of NFC usage and many other things were possible. It was probably from the financial stuff awhile back. They should embed them in rings so we can all be like the Mandarin. Maybe make a Wondertwins Jan and Jace 3DS game where we touch the ring to the New 3DS screen to activate our wonderpowers?
@Captain_Gonru - Nice. eBay should buy Nintendo and put all the amiibo straight on there.
Looks like they can afford it:
http://www.forbes.com/companies/ebay/
http://www.forbes.com/companies/nintendo/
i think this would be a goog idea, but not as amiibo. probably for a wii u game or something. if it were amiibo, it would make my wallet go on a diet!
@Captain_Gonru Shape of "broke"!
So... What you're saying is they might do the same thing they did back in the early 2000's with the e-reader cards but this time with NFC instead of barcodes and a fancy name?
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