
Nintendo knows what it's done. It's releasing paid-DLC characters for Super Smash Bros. on Wii U and Nintendo 3DS, opened the Smash Bros. Fighter Ballot for fans to vote for future inclusions, and in the process got us dreaming of exciting characters arriving in the future. Rumours and counter-rumours fly around as a result.
Of course, some relatively solid rumours - still with an emphasis on rumours - have emerged courtesy of data mining since the most recent software update. Credibility of leftover files apparently discovered has held up through multiple members of the homebrew and data mining community, such as talk of Ryu and Roy being potential future characters; it's worth remember that the existence of leftover files doesn't confirm content, however, but could be sample data accidentally left behind.
Nevertheless, with those provisos established, there's been more detailed digging into code, with some interpretations going a little further than the rumours of last week.
As outlined on the sourcegaming blog, a number of 'Mario' slots point to a total of five inactive character slots in addition to Mewtwo. One is Lucas, while another two are thought to be Ryu and Roy - that gives us two additional slots that are unaccounted for. What these will be is unknown, of course, but may be clearing the way for future ballot results - these numbers also tie-in with impressions from empty slots on the Smash Bros. website.
Further deciphering of data, primarily audio files, points to a potential addition of seven more stages - there's belief that at least one of these will be a Kirby stage. Whether stages are on the way in future paid-DLC - or free - bundles will become clear in time.
So the consensus at present is that we could have four additional characters on the way aside from Lucas, and seven stages. Or this leftover data could lead to nothing - that's the fun of rumours.
If these clues in the code are accurate, does this fit your hopes for the volume of potential DLC in Smash Bros.? Let us know.
[source sourcegaming.wordpress.com, via reddit.com]
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I still can't understand why people seriously believe either Roy or Ryu will be added to the game.
For Jiminy Crickets sakes, this isn't Project M. The developers don't have a "slot" limit to work around. I thought you were above spreading rumors like this, NL.
Seriously I don't want Roy back in smash! I'll be so annoyed if bk in!
Melee Fountain of Dreams (representing 3D Classics Kirby's Adventure this time around) and Brawl Skyworld (same for 3D Classics Kid Icarus for 3DS), pretty please.
Also, Melee Yoshi's Island (Super Mario Advance 2...?), Onett (for... Lucas... I guess?) and any cool stage that's not big enough to need a Wii U version-only embargo. Because the 3DS version has friggin' Gaur Plain for crying out loud!
@bro2dragons
Ask and ye shalt receive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk_yOpDpRDo
@BaffleBlend
Watch your mouth, kiddo! Use inventive euphemisms instead (I came up with "Bovine fecal matter" earlier today), it's more fun.
If there are gonna be more Nintendo-selected DLC characters after Lucas, they need to definitely make it clear that they were NOT chosen via the Fighter Ballot. I can imagine a lot of people yelling "WHO VOTED FOR [CHARACTER]!?!?!?!?"
@MrWalkieTalkie I agree.
Here we go again...
I'd like some new stages and music.
@AlexSora89 That means nothing, though.
It's music. What's most likely is that at some point in development Roy was considered for inclusion. Not far-fetched since he is a prior character and they put in another Marth clone, instead. I'm sure he was considered for Brawl, too. But they decided not to include him and the music file (like a LOT of various media files) was left in the code.
Same for Ryu. They would have struck an agreement with Capcom to put one of their characters in and, next to Mega Man, Ryu is probably the most obvious choice. He would have been in discussions and they would have drafted music for him just in case.
There's unused code in every game. This literally means nothing and it would be all kinds of nonsensical to add either of these characters at this point in the game.
@bro2dragons Considering multiple independent sources who are well-known for dat-mining have not only seen the code that lists their names, but also pulled soundclips from the game that clearly have their themes, I'd say it's pretty telling.
If it's not legit, then it's clearly leftover code. Either way, they either were in the game or are still in.
I see the swearing's been patched up on these comments
I would love more stages
Would love to see a Monster Hunter Felyne Comrade as playable instead of Ryu for a Capcom character but I can always dream.
@BaffleBlend unlike when the game was being made and the concept of "slots" was pretty dumb, these are real literal empty slots the developers have added to the game in preparation for future characters and stages.
Yeah, they can add more in the future, but right now they added those, so it's safe to assume they plan to use that amount.
@bro2dragons
Actually, Capcom - being the Megaman disowners they are - wanted Ryu to get in the game instead, while Nintendo understandably pushed for the Blue Bomber. Given Capcom always wanted to cash in on Street Fighter even before Inafune's departure (see HD Turbo Edition Xtreme and the like), it's likely they wanted to include Ryu as DLC as part of the deal.
Any news on this week's Nintendo Download?
One of those stages will be the Mii Verse stage the talked about last December during the big smash bros direct. I'd like to see Ryu in this world. I'm neutral on Roy as I never really played as him in Melee and rarely play as any fire emblem character now.
@BaffleBlend: Slots may mean something when they are actually in the code itself. These "Mario slots" are most likely placeholders and at the time if someone managed to select one of them it would select Mario as the character you chose but after an update it could do something else. If there is some data already ready for use I think they'll use it instead of making new slots and leave these with Mario data.
Of course they might leave them empty like what happened with 3rd generation Pokémon games. They have 15 empty slots in addition to all 386 Pokémon and hackers used them to add more Pokémon in their hacks before someone learned how to reserve data and make even more slots.
Ryu would be pretty cool! We really don't need a third Marth, though. I mean I guess it wouldn't take too long to make Roy as a clone, but we already HAVE a Marth clone.
Another Kirby stage you say? Heres hoping for the fountain from melee
@Sforzando This exactly. Besides, Roy isn't even relevant anymore, and he was only ever included as free advertisement for his game which only came out in Japan.
Besides, most people that I've seen that play Fire Emblem don't even like Roy. It seems the only people that do are those who only know him via Melee.
Also, there's already a character named Roy on the roster. How would they differentiate the two? Have the announcer say "Roy" two different ways? Or maybe have him say "Roy Koopa" as opposed to just "Roy"?
Roy will make the Roy fangirls scream, so I can see it happening. Guessing we could see more returning characters as part of the line up before the fan voting ends, since the data/moveset already exists so would be less work to do? Maybe Wolf to promote the new Starfox game (A reveal video with the Star Wolf theme would be epic, Snake since some people miss him, etc.
I really hope one of those characters is Snake and one of the stages is Shadow Moses. That was my favorite stage in Brawl. The codec calls were amazing. They even acknowledged it in the 50 facts video. Please give me Snake. Snake?! SNAAAAAAKE?!!!
I want more stages and characters, but please make them cheaper. I'm not willing to pay $5 for one character. Nintendo should do a bundle with all the characters and stages combined, just like MK8 did. Also, I really want the fountain stage from Kirby! That would make me beyond happy.
@Giygas_95 Yeah, cause why should they consider the smash fans when they are adding smash characters? oh but some people dont like a character from an obscure japanese game? that makes sense
Hopefully, As much as I like Roy as an FE character, he does not make it in. We already have a Marth clone.
@DarthNocturnal It reduces the amount of work they'll have to put in later. This was stuff they could add in easy and reduce the size of future patches. A lot of patches usually try to set up future content to make it easier to implement. Usually this stuff is more veiled though. Then again, it could have just been a folder that was accidentally copy/pasted in at the wrong time.
Stages? Awesome, I'll buy it. Roy? No thanks.
I want Mikey Shorts!
Can these rumours stop? It's getting really annoying at this point, seeing all these types of rumours and 'leaks' going around, only to have them debunked later on, or if they turn out to be true, have them potentially ruin the surprise.
@bro2dragons That doesn't make any sense when it was added in the patch. It wasn't there before. It's indicative of something.
@MrWalkieTalkie Seeing your ava reminded me Id like to see the W101 in as playable charicter... the difrnt attacks culd be difrnt Unite morphs and to have "all" the W101's thay culd be alt skins like Bowser JR
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I Voted for Dillon from Rolling Western ik he is a assist trophy allredy but id like to actualy play as him.
Look, I just want my Ice Climbers back.
Ooooh, DLC stages (maybe). I would like another Earthbound stage (New Pork City would be good 8 player smash material, but a new one is okay too), a pokemon stage (either ORAS themed or spear pillar, my favorite Brawl stage), Flat Zone 3, Fountain of Dreams, Hanenbow (great for 8 player smash), an excitebike stage (no flying sections, but random elements like MK8), and a LoZ stage based on a 3ds release.
I don't mean to be a bother or anything, but do people REALLY want another Marth clone? Not only that, but a Marth clone you have to pay for? I know I won't buy Roy if he comes out, unless he's the Wolf to Marth's Fox.
Literally (almost) every ranking character on the smash ballot is a superior choice over Roy
@bro2dragons It would have been leftover code IF this data was present since the beginning.
But nope, it was added with the mewtwo DLC.
The fire emblem 25th anniversary is soon to be celebrated in Japan, and Sakurai will be there, possibly announcing roy
@blujay1524
Except Roy has nostalgic value. I'm a bit worried because of the Koopaling alt for Bowser Junior, but the guy actually has chances of making it in.
Now, despite Roy being my Melee main, I'm not mad if he doesn't come back; however, I still want him back just because of the Roy jokes in the Awkward Zombie webcomic (check it out if you still haven't).
Am I the only one who misread the title as Seven Sages? I almost thought there was going to be a rumour about an overly excessive number of extra Legend of Zelda characters.
Hopefully it's Green Greens and not Fountain of Dreams as the stage. I'd be ok with both though. Please for the love of all, NO NEW STAGES. Stages take much deveolpment time like the new Starfox stage took a whole year to make. Let's bring back all past stages before considering new ones.
I remember there being this amazing Monster Hunter stage in Brawl Minus, and since Capcom already has a part in the game, and given the growing popularity of Monster Hunter, they should totally make a legit version of this stage!
Here's a video link to the stage I'm talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN8VCBW_850
Also just saying, Smash Bros Brawl mods are totally amazing! A great way to get back into the game when you've grown tired of it. :3
I'm happy for the new DLC characters, but I want some new stages.
The wind waker stage HAS to come back. Honestly i just want the 3ds stages to merge over, especially the pokemon & kid icarus stages.
The new Kirby stage is probably Rainbow Curse related.
We all know what is going to happen. Nintendo recently released a remake of a Zelda game that introduced a character popular enough to play a major role in another game in the series as well as popular enough to spawn multiple spin-off games. While everybody in the West is voting for obscure JRPG or indie game characters, Japan is going to unite and vote unanimously for Tingle.
If we do get new stages, one of them better be Moonside for the Wii U version.
I would like to see Solid Snake and Knuckles The Echidna, and My Personal Favorite Character Zero from the Mega Man X series in Smash Bros. I would also like to see the stage creator for the 3ds.
Not too excited about Roy despite being a Fire Emblem fan. There are so many other FE characters I would rather see.
The fact that there could be DLC stages has caught my interest.
I don't play Smash enough to justify buying the characters, only break it out when I have company but stages are good enough to purchase because it will add enjoyment to those occasions.
Obviously I'd buy the characters if someone in my clique would use that character a lot but that's not the case with Mewtwo or Lucas.
More N64 stages! PLEASE!...And if it's not too hard, Fourside, Fountain of Dreams and/or New Pork City.
@Sanya You're basically asking for Fourside to return since it appears at night on melee and in Earthbound the only time Fourside was dark was during Moonside.
People are always quick to jump to conclusions, be it to dismiss something or blindly accept something. It's understandable to be wary of rumors after the Rayman thing, but doing just a bit of reading will show this data wasn't in the game until after the patch. At this point, I think Ryu and Roy are probably a given, as well as the new Kirby stage. I'm not sure if the extra Mario slots mean anything beyond that though...they can conceivably continue to expand the game's data as needed for additional characters, so what is 5 slots now could be 10 in the future. But at the same time, 5 more characters would be a nice way to round off the roster. I personally think the remaining two are going to be Wolf and a new character, possibly one chosen from the ballot. But who knows, eh?
If DLC stages are coming, I hope Green Greens is one of them! Whispy's been in a stage in every past Smash Bros. game! I was disappointed he wasn't in a stage for either version of SSB4.
@Porky Moonside is basically Fourside, but the whole place is messed up. So they could make a unique stage out of it, also...neon lights. lol
As long as it isn't another clone i'm fine. Takamuru, Rayman, and Snake are my votes
What does a "leak" or rumor have to have to be skipped for a news article? If this would be from Wikileaks, only that way it would be skipped? To report these rumors is no different than to report the Sony mails.
I still applaud your decision, but your ethics are still questionable for me when I see "news" like this.
@abbyhitter I read somewhere that there were two uncovered audio files for the DLC Kirby stage on 3DS. One was the N64 Dream Land theme and the alternate was the forest theme from Air Ride. I'm guessing it means that the N64 stage is the one in question. Makes the most sense.
Give me a bundle with characters, stages and an Adventure Mode and I'll give you all my worldly possessions (outside those needed to play games, of course).
@FX29 Like Eliwood, right?
No offense but guys, why so salty? More DLC is always great!
Well of course there's going to be more characters; I thought that was already established. I hope that Roy/Ryu leak was fake. I guess I'd be fine with Ryu but we REALLY don't need another FE rep.
If Ryu ends up in Smash Brothers, I might boycott the series. That is such a cucumber move to put him in there, hes in enough crossover games.
Plus, generic karate guy, boring as hell. I'd rather see Goku in there, as stupid as that sounds.
As much as I like Ryu and Street Fighter (Fave fighting game) it feels odd if he'd make it in my opinion . Not sure how I feel about Roy yet though I guess he'd be ok if he were to make it in. If They are bringing 4-5 new characters they should all come from the smash ballot though if we'd wait for them to run the votes and then start developing the characters then it might be over a year before we'd get them all Anyway I hope the new characters just fit in well with the Smash Universe my picks in Smash Ballot are Inklings and either Bayonetta or Wonder Red or all !
@DBPirate That "leak" is 100% real. Those Roy and Ryu files are indeed in the game now. Doesn't necessarily mean they will be added as fighters, but it's a very strong indication.
Seven stages, huh??? I don't suppose there's a needle at each stage??? :3
@IceClimbers Yeah, I was referring to their inclusion, not the files.
I figure more can always be made if the DLC is popular enough. And there's an easy enough way to make more room. Just shrink the character select icons.
As for Roy and Ryu, I'm mixed. I think Roy returning would be fine. I don't like characters being cut, so he'd give me a sense of completion. While they're at it, bring back Young Link, Pichu, Wolf, Snake (somehow), and make the ice Climbers Wii U exclusive. Sorry, 3DS.
But with Ryu, another Capcom character? On one hand, I'm okay with it because it means there's still a good relationship, kinda, between Capcom and Nintendo. But Ryu? I dunno, he just seems kinda underwhelming. But, he /is/ iconic, so he'd fit.
I just hope that bayonetta is going to make it to smash.
Im not against Ryu, i just feel that it kind of cheats the idea of guest characters. like Mega Man did have a few fighting games but his move set was mostly entirely based around the Classic games. and Pac-Man was retro-filled for Namco as a whole. it feels like Capcom might just cheese out and just transplant one of his movesets into the game with reused assets which would much less soulless in comparison to the life they gave to Mega Man and Pac-Man.
Like he's a fighting character, though since Capcom might be part-creators, maybe they get a little leeway with splitting down the development time of their content like the Mega Man/Bass/Proto Man/Treble Trophies they made; so creating Ryu independently from Lucas and other DLC isn't unbelievable in comparison. I'm not even sure if i want Roy back; other past characters were cut because of either their redundant nature or just advertising.
So Pichu leaving might not be a major loss, and Toon Link could be a spiritual successor to Young Link. which just leaves Roy, Squirtle and Ivysaur. ignoring Snake (3rd party minefield) and Ice Climbers (2 games might be hard to create without snags), the cast is pretty stable. could always save Wolf for Star Fox U. but Lucina has an adjustment with her blade making her damage more reliable, Ike got popularity from Brawl and Robin was a breathing change from the usual swordsmen reps that FE added.
Maybe Bayonetta (if the whole formalities with Sega being publishers pre-Wii U isn't a prob), 9-Volt, Young Porky Minch, Wonder Red, Bubbles and possibly K Rool.
Please just give me Popo already!!
@Plucky Ryu's moveset is iconic though. Smash plays very differently from traditional fighters, so part of the excitement is seeing how the most iconic fighting game moveset ever would translate into Smash.
Wreck-It Ralph, Shovel Knight, Golurk or Shantae for me.
All I really want is a Kirby stage that isn't freaking black and white
Or black and puke green
Although it would be nice to play as Roy again, perhaps, they could do as they did with Bowser Jr.? (in which the different "colors" were the koopalings) So maybe in addition to Roy, the same "character" doubles as more Fire Emblem characters? (same moveset, but more "people" to play as?)
I don't see myself spending five dollars to play as Roy...
If Ryu really is added to the game, it would be amazing if they used that as a starting point for Nintendo vs. Capcom.
I'm kind of surprised they've never included a Wind Waker Gannondorf. With his dual swords he would play a lot different from the regular version. Or even a straight up Pig-Man Gannon instead, the trident would also make for a different type of fighter.
@AugustusOxy Oh damn i better call Sakurai or Nintendo cause they just lose one consumer! Cause he's salty!
Id like to see Toad, Waluigi & King K Rool and I know this most likely would never happen but Goku
@Mommar ikr i would love to have that version in the game
if they some how made a dlc pack like they did with mk8 and include the characters plus the stages then im sure some of us would be more for it rather then paying for just one character and all
Dammit, I dropped the salt. Sorry guys...
I'll get both- if true.... but I'm afraid I will be disappointed in the characters, kinda like I was with the MK8 characters. Dry Bones is really the only one that I liked. Love the tracks tho.
@TossedLlama lol that would be sick but the chances of seeing Guts would be so minute but amazing none the less.
His Smash could be Berserker Armor activating and going all crazy on the opponent
I just want Bandana Dee, guys. I JUST WANT BANDANA DEE. This is what I think will happen.
Lucas's price hasn't been announced. I think that Nintendo could do a bundle with characters and stages; 3DS gets Fourside and Wii U gets New Pork City.
If they actually do this, Bandana Dee (Or some other Kirby character) could join, with this whole "New Kirby Stage".
I would love to see a Street Fighter stage included with Ryu (If this is legit), either being the bonus stage or USA from SF2.
@SirQuincealot My logic is that there are more recent Fire Emblem characters than Roy, and given that he's a Marth clone (which we already have in the form of Lucina) I just don't see the point in putting him back in.
The remark about Roy being more popular with Smash players than with Fire Emblem fans wasn't so much a reason why he should be excluded though. More like something I just find irritating.
Although you said yourself that FE6 is an obscure Japanese game, which is true when compared to some of the localized FE games. That seems like even more reason to leave him out to me (Same could be said for Marth although he had Shadow Dragon which got localized).
Also, sarcasm is cheap, friend. Very cheap.
It looks like the stage will probably be Dream Land 64, which makes a lot of sense.
I bet that also means if there's another N64 stage it will probably be Yoshi's Island since it was also a Melee stage. Personally I'd prefer Saffron City or Peach's Castle instead, but who knows what Sakurai will do at this point?
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