Get that salt ready, Super Smash Bros. fans, we have rumours that are claimed to be based on the latest source files buried in the latest game update. Got some salt? Good, let's begin.
A poster over on Reddit, who claims to be part of the 3DS modding scene, has apparently been digging around in source files following the latest update that kicked in today, triggering the availability of the game's DLC. Sound files have been interpreted as clues for two future additions. One file is a Victory sound for Roy from the Fire Emblem series, prompting speculation he'll be included as a new fighter in the future.
Secondly, and most surprising - or suspicious - is a sound file that includes the Ryu music from Street Fighter II, the iconic series of games that partly made their name on the SNES. The track appears to point to a stage, while the poster claims the playable fighter is also suggested in the files. In fairness to the hacker involved, they're being pretty open about their process (which is a naughty process) in the Reddit thread, and acknowledging these could be leftover files for content that's been ditched. Some have also pointed out that Nintendo's accidentally left data hanging around before, such as Hoopa in Pokémon X & Y.
Is it possible? In theory yes, as Mega Man shows Capcom's co-operation in the past, plus we had Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition as a launch title on the 3DS. Is it likely? We're very sceptical, but it's not impossible.
With all that salt to hand, what do you reckon. Would you welcome Ryu and Roy as future characters?
[source reddit.com]
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... If they put Ryu on Smash but not "Street Fighter IV" on Wii U, I will eat my SNES controller.
Ryu would be excellent in smash bros. Good close up fighter like little mac.
This would be made better by later announcing street fighter v for wii u once ps4 exclusivity deal expires, or as a launch title for NX
Mmm... controller flavored.
I hope it's true. While I don't have any opinion on Ryu, Roy would be a fantastic addition and maybe FE6 will be announced for the west at E3 alongside him appearing in Smash!
It makes sense. He helped start the fighting game scene to begin with. And let's be real, who wouldn't want a Shoryuken as a recovery move.
Please no. For the love of god, Ryu is in everything. Oversaturated, boring martial artist.
YES!! PLEASE!! I've been quite vocal about Ryu as a third party character, alongside Bomberman and Knuckles.
Obviously, Nintendo characters should take priority, but if third parties are being considered, you need the icon of fighting games! Especially as Mega Man (another Capcom mascot) is already in the game...
And it's an easy and effective move-set!
B = Hadouken
Side B = Hurricane Kick
Up B = Shoryuken
Down B = Counter/Throw
Final Smash = Super/Mega Hadouken
@Wonder-Redhead Street Fighter V maybe PS4 exclusive, but not the countless annual slightly altered versions that'll follow.
We should have Guile instead because, y'know, Guile's Theme goes with everything.
Seriously though, I'd be open to Ryu in Smash.
@TreesenHauser Well, maybe Ryu would come with a Street Fighter stage with a few well known SF song. If this is at all true, of course, which I really doubt but really would want to happen!
Ryu would be sweeet and not only that but I actually think that a Smash Bros version of Ryu might finally get close to nailing how I've thought a 3D take on Street Fighter II should look for however many years now. I don't particularly like the style Capcom has went with since Street Fighter IV because it's far too "Americanised" imo; like that terrible art on the SNES SFII box*
*You know the ones: http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb/GamesRadar/us/Features/2009/02/Street%20Fighter%20boxes/turbofront--article_image.jpg and http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/7/72223/1312410-street_fighter_2.jpg
I think the Ryu in Tatsunoko vs Capcom was about the closet to getting the Street Fighter II 2D but in 3D look right that I've seen (capturing the look of the classic 2D sprite art but in 3D): http://www.angryzenmaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/kenvsryu.jpg and http://media.ign.com/games/image/article/876/876651/tatsunoko-vs-capcom-cross-generation-of-heroes-20080527082746999_640w.jpg and http://38.media.tumblr.com/21830e494d97b5364c5d52497452f382/tumblr_na6ryi8xN51sibomdo1_500.gif
So yeah; I say go for it, Nintendo!
I don't really think Ryu would be that great of an addition to Super Smash Bros, and I honestly couldn't see them just entering a fighter from another fighting game. Roy is possible, but we already have enough Fire Emblem characters. Knowing Sakurai, Roy could actually make an appearance anyway.
If Capcom get another fighter then Sega deserves another. Vote big the cat! Lol no I'm hoping for Classic Knuckles!
@NintyMan I don't see why they would include the files in a game update if they never planned on using them. These files were not in the original game and were only added to the game in today's update.
If everyone hates clone characters so much, then why do you all want Roy back in? He's literally lucina and marth, but with a fire effect!
Think it's likely DLC characters aside from the Voting, will be mostly returning characters since the movesets and data already exist for them. Roy's a fan fav, so I wouldnt be surprised, Snake for sure if Konami are onboard, Wolf would be a good way to advertise the new Starfox game,just to name a few examples.
Ryu would be interesting, but I dunno. Wouldnt that mean adding a Street Fighter stage, new trophies and unlockables too to add to the Street Fighter vibe? Then again, this might be Capcom's advertisement to tempt fans to pick up Street Fighter V..... XD
That would be awesome.
Think I'd rather have pretty much any other Street Fighter character to be honest.
Ryu is kinda boring :/
Well I have a theory: maybe the agreement for Street Fighter 5 was just to not put it on Xbox One, meaning that it could come to Wii U.
I don't really know how to play Street Fighter and Ryu is just a boring character in general, so I'm still hoping for Knuckles or Kumatora.
Ryu alternate skin Ken!
I really hope they do t waste a DLC spot on Ryu. I mean, why would we include him in a wiiu game when Capcom has stopped supporting it.
With Street Fighter 5 being a PS4 exclusive this more than makes sense maybe throw a few more street fighter characters in and no one notice that its not on the system.
@Wonder-Redhead @FragRed Except that Capcom doesn't intend to release different versions of the game in the way you say. They were screwed by the architecture of the first SF4 which couldn't allow the digital updates. They changed that with Super Street IV, which can get huge updates as it did with Arcade Edition or Ultra.
And Street Fighter V will be like that : the next versions will only be updates. The name of the game might change (Super, Hyper, Ultra, ...) but it will be only be updates. So no, don't expect SF5 or its evolutions to come on another machine than PS4.
I like having ryu in but we dont need roy, he is just another fire emblem sword character.
I like having ryu in but we dont need roy, he is just another fire emblem sword character.
...No thanks.
I would like Ryu but not Roy.
Ryu is a fine addition.
HADOUKEN!!!!
...ahem..., sorry about that.
I would be fine with either of these additions.
Nonsense. It's far more likely that Capcom just wanted some of their non-MegaMan music in there. Or does the soundtrack now confirm characters from Golden Sun and Culdcept as playable, too?
this smells like possum poop but i hope its true
Really ,Roy? If he gets in i hope he evolves beyond being a mere marth clone.
@outburst Yes!!!!
I don't think it's possible we'll ever see multiple fighters from the same third party in this game. And if we did, it wouldn't be Capcom. Nintendo has a much stronger relationship with Sega (Sega has been making Nintendo-exclusive games, while Capcom has been abandoning Nintendo-exclusive games), and Bandai Namco (they developed this game...), so putting Ryu in without equivalents from the other two would spark some (justified) professional outrage for sure. It's a LITTLE more likely because of the relationship, like I said, but this is the same reason why I continue to scoff at everyone demanding Tails be put in the game. There just isn't any advantage for Nintendo in doing that.
Also, music means nothing. I expect that was probably meant for the Mega Man stage before someone somewhere decided it should have all Mega Man music instead of Capcom music. Although, in my worthless opinion, I do think that was a waste. Pac-Man got some general Namco tracks, and those are better than some of his own.
Street fighter is DULL
Everyone knows that Guile is more deserving than Ryu.... though I don't think I'd want any Street fighter characters.
Not impressed with this. The thought of another Marth clone annoys me to no end. I don't have anything against Ryu really but there are numerous other characters I'm more interested in. He's not really on my radar.
I'd probably buy Ryu and pass on Roy.
I wonder if the ballot means anything at all or is it just to keep us amused....
I love both Street Fighter and Fire Emblem, but... please no.
Roy would be a very bland addition in the face of the four FE characters we have already. SF, for its part, has just become a Playstation exclusive for this generation - that, and Ryu doesn't really strike me as someone who would be fun to play as in the context of Smash, to be honest.
Ryu, yea! And Roy yea too, he was by far the most interesting FE charakter who ever was in SBB.
Ryu would be a cool character in Smash (Evil Ryu would be an interesting Final Smash) and he represents an important part of the fighting video game genre's history...but on the other hand, Capcom already has a fighter in Smash Bros, so I don't know.
@Dizzard Well, if you remember from the direct. He did say that he would take each ballot (well... obviously not everyone) into consideration and it didn't really sound like a "majority wins" despite what everyone seems to think. it could be but it could also be just something to put in and then they'll take ideas from that and check to see if there is a good enough demand/ reason to merit it.
A poissible inclusion of Ryu as DLC into this game would be a travesty and an abomination. Hoping it's not going to happen with all of my will and being!
@Shiryu if this happens, please make video of you attempting to eat it. that would be funny. (make it fake if needed but still )
If they do add roy then I might start collecting the FE amiibo.
I would totally love Ryu in this game,but i wont keep my hopes up with this.
Idk but if Ryu ends up in the game, he better have Ken + or Akuma as alt skins...
Ryu?
@FragRed they don't anualize though.
The salt is real in this comment section,wow i really hope him and roy make it in just to piss off many people here!
@Shiryu : If Ryu showed up in SSB, I will also join you and eat my n64 console. There is no way this can be true....our posts history gets deleted after awhile, right?
@Cyberbotv2 Sure they will, sure they will...
Well, I want Ryu more than I want Roy, I guess...
That would be strange. Mega Man already has his Mega Upper, and his Side Smash is obviously intended to resemble a hadoken much more then his mega buster. Plus, Mario and more so Dr Mario is a total shoto already.
YES RYU
I'd totally be okay with Roy and Ryu being added.
E. Honda > Chun Li > Ryu.
However, Ryu is the face of the franchise, so he's an obvious choice. But if--and that's a huge stinking IF--they include him, I'd at least like to see Chun Li appear as well.
I still find it odd that Nintendo and Capcom haven't just gone ahead and made a full-blown Capcom vs Nintendo fighter in the vein of Marvel vs Capcom or Tatsunoko vs Capcom. I doubt anyone could seriously think that would be a bad idea. I'd buy that in a second.
I love Ryu but if it's just his stage coming to Super Smash Bros. 4 then I'll be okay with it, I love all variations of his stage (his Alpha 2 and World Warrior stages being my top two favorites). As for Roy, bring him on. Also Nintendo translate his game (The Binding Blade) and released it for Wii U or 3DS VC soon, that would be nice too.
I'd like it if Ryu was a playable character, and seeing as I never played melee and barely know anything about Roy, that makes me not care at all 'bout him.
I would also like to see Simon Belmont as a playable character.
@Nation
YOU GODDAM RIGHT
At this point, ever since pandora's box was opened to 3rd party characters in SSB, anything is possible and I will no longer deny the possibility. At the same time, if we're going to pull a character from Capcom's famous franchise, then it should also in theory open the door for a character from Namco's premiere fighting series Tekken, and specifically Jin. Further, Namco helped co-develop SSB4, so I'd say that increases his chances as much as Ryu's if not more.
As for Roy, lessee-- Marth is a finesse swordfighter with power at the tip, Lucina is basically Marth with even power along the blade, Ike is your slower but more powerful great sword user, and iirc, Roy had his power near the middle of the blade. Hmmm... "technically" there's still room for him among the FE characters, but at what point is it overkill? I like Roy, but if he doesn't come back, I actually wouldn't be mad.
My guess about the music is that they were planning to have company franchises-themed stages, I wouldn't be surprised if there is the Dig Dug theme or Opa-Opa hidden somewhere.
I wouldn't like Ryu either. Like someone said above, he's been everywhere, in every Capcom crossover. I like the choice of Megaman but If I wanted another Capcom character I'd choose Viewtiful Joe or Amaterasu. They fit better in Smash.
@Quorthon I agree, actually I've felt like Nintendo should just buy Capcom already.
@NTELLIGENTMAN I voted for him, Ryu and Viewtiful Joe
I think/hope this is fake. The sound pieces are blatantly ripped from the SNES game and Ryu honestly just sounds really boring(though not surprising considering Capcom really loves the guy), Capcom already has a character, and even then there are tons of characters from Capcom alone(Viewtiful Joe and Phoenix Wright come to mind) that would be better candidates for a second Capcom character.
Don't really have a problem with Roy, but we already have a Marth Clone with Lucina, and unless he gets completely retooled, I'd rather him being an alt. costume
Not really.
I dont feel that ryu should be in the game, like Sakurai first said he didnt wanted traditional fighters in the game, but then he has contradicted what he says on multiple occasions.
Whatever, I wont buy.
It could be Ryu. But not Street Fighter's Ryu. Ryu Hyabusa from Ninja Gaiden makes more sense, because Ninja Gaiden had a history on the NES, SNES, and Gameboy, along with Ninja Gaiden 3 launching with the Wii U, Team Ninja developing Hyrule Warriors, and Tomonobu Itagaki working on Devil's Third.
The game is already over saturated with Fire Emblem characters as it is, and if they were going to add more, I'd much prefer someone who fought with an axe, lance or dragon stone. Roy is virtually insignificant to the series and really doesn't need to come back...
Street Fighter V confirmed?
@Hy8ogen
Yeah, as a PS4 timed exclusive, then it's hitting PC and that's it.
@NintenJoe
There's that, or it could be Ryu from the Breath of Fire series. If its him or the Modern Super Ninja, I wouldn't complain. But SF Ryu on the other hand, Capcom needs to stop including him in every crossover game that involves Capcom.
@sp_initiate-001 You're naive if you think that's actually true. Each Street Fighter generation spawns at least 5 sub versions. Mark my words the next Super Street Fighter V will appear on other platforms other than the PS4. Most like the Xbone. Wii U...I still have my doubts.
As much as I like Street Fighter, I think we can all agree that Ryu is...kind of boring. In fact, I'd be much happier with someone like Ken, actually.
@TantXL Roy's game is Japan exclusive so people outside Japan mostly know him from Melee.
I'd be okay with this. Haven't played Street Fighter but I think Ryu would be neat. Also, Roy would be awesome since he was my main in Melee.
I wouldn't mind Ryu probably more chance of him getting in than goku anyway.
I think Ryu could be an intresting addition to the roster, especially if they can make mechanics from Street Fighter work with his gameplay(Maybe give him Focus attacks that grant him super armor, a three-tier Super Gauge that works like Little Mac's KO gauge, let him use Hurricane Kicks in the air, etc)
As for the super gauge idea, it could work like this.
Level 1 is a Super Hadoken which is a much larger version of his fireball that can break through Super Armor and Shields.
Level 2 is a Super Dragon Punch that has great KO power and super armor, but leaves him wide open if he misses.
Level 3 is a Custom Combo system like from Alpha 3 where his moves can be canceled into combos, but one hit knocks him out of it.
That's just an idea off the top of my head, but I think Ryu could work.
As for Roy, I don't think he needs to come back, especially over Wolf. What could Roy bring to the table that Marth and Lucina don't already have outside of a fire effect? Not to mention, If Roy did come back, Fire Emblem would have five reps, putting a smaller niche series at the same numbers as Zelda.
I really hope Wolf gets the nod over Roy. We don't need a second Marth clone in Smash 4's roster.
Roy would be awesome. As for Ryu...meh.
@Achoo Like that time they put link in soul calibre? and it was awesome
Only if they confirms SF V to Wii U, if not I dont want this character in Smash.
@firstnesfan
I definitely think they should buy Capcom.
@DarkEdi
What does it matter if SFV (a PS4 exclusive) comes to the Wii U or not? Why would that magically make you change how you feel about the character being in Smash? MGS didn't come to the Wii, but Snake was still in there.
@Hy8ogen Nope...not for Wii U. Exclusive to only PS4 & PC. If Sony helped fund this game, you can be sure there are stipulations in the contracts to prevent others from getting it. Although they (Capcom) claim there won't be other versions, just add ons...it still wouldn't change the fact that the platforms will only be PS4 and PC. Microsoft funded Dead Rising 3. You don't see that going anywhere. Titanfall either. Look at Bayonetta 2. Nintendo funded that. It's the same thing here.
@DESS-M-8 It will only be on PS4 and PC. No other "console" is getting the game. Sony helped fund it. There's no timed exclusive. I wonder why people keep saying that.
Because it will happen. EVERYTHING third party goes multiformat.
GTA was part funded by Sony as was red dead. They ended up on Xbox. Splinter cell was massively funded by Microsoft and it was that single game that saved Xbox. THAT ended up on everything. The fact it's even on pc from day one goes to show that comment is void. It can and will end up on other consoles after their exclusivity deal expires. That could be three years, could be 12 months nobody will know until it is announced for other formats in the future.
@Rafie nintendo didn't fund it, they produced and published it. That's massive difference.
hope FE roy comes back
Hooe this happens and could see it coming to.
The Inklings really should be the priority for the next character; it would double serve as free advertising for Splatoon. Oh yeah, I forget Nintendo doesn't understand the concept of free advertising.
We will trade Ryu a spot in smash for street fighter V next year.
Maybe Nintendo already finalized their choice for the winners so they are starting to add them. That's probably why it wasn't discovered until the update. Kinda disappointed it isn't a new 3rd party company but he does fit in a "fighting game" Hopefully Capcom is hiding a SFV port from us or else people would see this as undeserving marketing rather than something that needed to happen
Honestly Ryu's not an outlandish choice for Smash Bros.
And although I'd like to see Roy return, I really don't see it happening, so...
@EmmatheBest Insert someone screaming about Ken being the OG clone character
In all seriousness, I'd love to see Ryu.
I like RYU and Roy because he was my main years ago. But the first video game character I feel in love with was Tails from Sonic 3 on the Genesis.
@DESS-M-8
That's part of "producing," but yeah, Nintendo heavily funded Bayonetta 2. They dumped some cash into that, which is why it's not going multiplatform.
And no, not every 3rd party game goes multiplatform. There are still quite a few that never moved anywhere.
Bayonetta 2 would not exist without Nintendo footing the bill.
http://www.destructoid.com/platinum-s-inaba-bayonetta-2-wouldn-t-exist-w-o-nintendo-235541.phtml
I don't know why Roy was never included anyway, he's much better than Ike.
But I'm not for them releasing old fighters as DLC unless they're free. It just smacks of cashing in by withholding characters they could have easily included that we assumed were left out for roster limitations.
@DESS-M-8 Nintendo did fund it. Otherwise, the game wouldn't have existed. Kamiya has stated this several times.
Also your claim everything 3rd party goes multiplat is flat out wrong! I won't even go into the many games that this falls under. Also Sony did not fund Red Dead....my dude. Sony bought the old dev that worked on those games in the 90's. Big difference! GTA never had exclusive rights to Sony. The franchise wasn't exclusive. If a platform pays for the development of a game, you can be certain that it's going no where but on their console. IF they paid for the development!
Mark my words, Street Fighter V will appear no where else, but PS4 and PC. Street Fighter V would have to be under a different moniker for others to have it. Timed exclusive or not. You know...Street Fighter: The Return or something like that.
A good ole Street Fighter II days.
Personally I think the Ryu data is a left over piece before the two companies agreed to have Mega Man instead. Though maybe we could get a SF stage?
@Shiryu Ha! Wouldn't that be something?
@Achoo yeah, Mario wouldnt fit in soul calibre, it would be cool though. but this is samsh where little mac fights jigglypuff, i'd say all bets are off, i mean wii fit trainer is a manikin come to life, after that anything goes.
Roy you say? Never mind salt I'll get my ph1r3 ready so I can be skilled enough to beat any Fox in the world with our boy Roy!... I am so, so sorry for that, on a more serious note Ryu likely won't be included as if I recall correctly Sakurai said that there would only be one character per 3rd party.
Haddouken!! Am I right?! Could be a fun addition!
@Rafie producing is funding, but is funding to such a percentage that they get production credit. My point was that ALL third party games CAN go mtiformat, not that they all have. Plenty of third party stayed on one format. The potential on return has to warrant the new development costs, which is why it took GTA III onwards so long to go multi platform.
Ryu I don't care but, Roy is welcomed.
Shin Shoryuken!
Ryu is awesome. Xcited
@DESS-M-8 I understand that. Still, Nintendo's monetary print is all over B2 (Bayonetta 2). So they did fund it. Probably more than half. I thought the reason GTA 3 only came out on PS2, because Xbox was...well unproven (An assumption of mine, not that it was right one). Also I thought Nintendo didn't want terribly violent games on their console.
Ryu is already in my Smash games. As a Mii Fighter, but still.
Interesting choices and some convincing evidence. I hope these don't count as the fighter ballot characters though. Still would like to see King K. Rool.
@DBPirate Right, that's what I'm saying. I haven't seen very much of anyone suggest Ryu though, although it could be a popular Japanese choice perhaps. Still, I'm hoping these are (if real) between the June release of Lucas and the probable 2016 release of the ballot character(s). Like, October–December maybe.
Ryu would be fantastic. I can hardly think of a character I'd care to see less than Roy, though.
I prefer Chun Li, but Capcom having 2 of their characters in the game?
Ryu, yes PLEASE. I could care less about ANOTHER Fire Emblem character. Its only right that at least ONE Street Fighter character be on the ultimate fighting game, considering Street Fighter's Nintendo roots. Nintendo, Street Fighter, and I, go way back
That would be so awesome!
This has been confirmed by 2-3 data mining groups. Including the Cutting Floor.
Get ready for some Hadoukens and Shoryukens people!
Since apparently some DLC has been pre-planned, the amount of characters for DLC might be more than people originally anticipated. Hopefully this increases Isaac's chances.
@ikki5
Go home and be a family man! Sorry, couldn't resist
Yeah, I'm not really digging Street Fighter characters. Even though I love Street Fighter, I can't support them over tons of other deserving characters.
Only if they kept Ryu's moveset and controls intact exactly as they were in Street Fighter II (and not the simplistic Smash Bros button setup) .......which they won't do so NO.
Wait. I must be going crazy. Fire Emblem will have five DIFFERENT characters in Smash 4, but the Zelda franchise has been limited to two versions of Link, two outfits of Zelda, and Ganondorf since Melee?! There are more than 3 characters in Zelda, Nintendo! Where's Impa?! Where's Skull Kid?! Or Ghirahim or Zant or Majora or Midna or strawberry shortcake Fi?! Jesus Christ, I'd take the Happy Mask Salesman wearing nothing but a Tingle mask over Roy a.k.a. Marth the Third...
Please let's be cordial.-Morpheel
@nintendouken Ryu doesn't have a counter
And a better smash attack would be for him to turn into evil Ryu
A focus attack would be a better down special
@Dpullam You are wrong they need an actual martial art fighter is smash bros
I would rather a character from Tekken.
@Gmoney I obviously don't agree. Ryu has his own fighting game to star in. The whole appeal of Super Smash Bros. to me is putting characters in situations they normally wouldn't be in. Example, Princess Peach would normally never be throwing punches in any Mario game. As for Ryu, he has already maintained his status from being in the uber popular Street Fighter. I just think there are better choices, besides characters that have already been in fighting games. Besides, Sakurai has already said he didn't want to blend too many different franchise characters into his game. This series is supposed to be centered around Nintendo after all. Not every company's franchise under the sun.
@Shiryu 0_o
I want neither.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmo6rFJDFsA&feature=youtu.be
hes confirmed
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