With the release of Xenoblade Chronicles X just a few months away in Japan, the official social network accounts for the game are revealing more details; an interesting update now relates to the file size of the game.
Other recent details have highlighted the sheer size of the game world, which has a non-linear approach and is apparently five times larger than the huge landscapes of Xenoblade Chronicles. Generating that world, and all of the rules and programming that makes it function, can lead to enormous file sizes - some open world games on rival systems can be particularly sizeable; Monolith Soft's title is no different.
Producer Shingo Kawabata has explained, in recent posts on Twitter, that the new title was almost so big that it'd need an additional Wii U disc.
Xenoblade Chronicles X is using up most of the space on the Wii U disk. It's really, really close to the storage limit. (To the point that at one stage we were considering using more than one disk for the game). To enjoy playing, the enormous seamless map must load quickly (which was achieved through the hard work of our programming division), but we had help from Nintendo proper implementing a further improvement to what we had. I believe we're going to reveal the details of that on the official page in the future, but to people considering purchasing the packaged version of the game, as one of the game's developers, I highly recommend you make use of this improvement.
The bespoke Wii U optical discs are 25GB in size, so based on the comments above we can expect the eShop version to be above 20GB. It's worth noting that Monolith Soft would have been under pressure to make the game a reasonable size to fit on a disc - unlike rival systems the Wii U doesn't typically run a game both from a disc and pre-ordained installed data. The 8GB unit is a clear reason, as mandatory installs would potentially rule out some Wii U owners; that's a theory, in any case.
Regardless, it's clear that Xenoblade Chronicles X is going to be a massive experience on Wii U - if it is truly 300 hours long, as has been claimed, we'll certainly get the most out of every megabyte of data.
[source neogaf.com]
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I really feel they should have tried and fit it on 2 disc. Trying to fit it on one disc leads to compression of textures and models.
That reminds me I really should finish Xenoblade Chronicals. Only have played the first hour of the game.
Oh my god how big is this game?With 300 hours of gameplay i'm going to be a low life.
Between this and Zelda U, Wii U owners will be kept busy for quite a long while
R.I.P. In peace digtal buyers.
GOTY
@TeeJay Not to mention all the other games I have yet to get. Like Bayonetta 2, Hyrule Warriors, DKCTF, etc...
@TeeJay Good year to have a Wiiu.
couldn't they just have panasonic make them Dual Layer discs for Xenoblade, the discs store 25gb per layer why don't they just add another layer.
Basic model be damned! lol
wasn't Lego City really huge as well?
@ikki5
19GB.
@Muyounosuke Because the Wii U can't read multiple layered discs, unfortunately.
Maybe bigger is better you could make the biggest open world RPG ever. This game is going up against Witcher 3
I would've liked it if it were 2 disc. 1 disk is just so normal
Preinstalls are impractical with the Wii U storage. And switching discs would break the open world-exploration type gameplay.
I'm glad it's on one disc.
"...we had help from Nintendo proper implementing a further improvement to what we had...to people considering purchasing the packaged version of the game, as one of the game's developers, I highly recommend you make use of this improvement."
Does anyone else think that statement is hinting that those who buy the disc version will have the option to at least partially install to the hard drive to help the map load more seamlessly? That's kinda the way it sounds to me...
They never said that was on a single layer disc. As far as I know Nintendo does support dual layer discs.
I really liked the days of PS1 RPGs that would span multiple discs. There was something magical about a game that required more than one disc.
@Golfshirt
Sounds that way.
Optional install. Like the 360 had for the last year or so of its life.
@brewsky yes actually it can there are a few dual layer wii games and they all read fine, you also don't need any extra hardware to do so.
@DiscoGentleman @Muyounosuke Ok, I was technically wrong, so I'll explain. The Wii U can read dual layered Wii discs just like the Wii, but the disc reader that it uses for Wii U discs can't read multiple layers. That's what I meant to say, but I thought the Wii U reading dual layered Wii discs was an obvious given. Apparently not.
Can't they do dual-layered discs? I believe Blu-ray can go to 50gb with Dual-layered.
I just might have to get it when it comes out.
@Jayvir Blu-Ray technically supports 8 layers, but the Wii U optical disc is not Blu-Ray. It's similar, but not quite.
@Trapleton Why? I'm all digital for years now, and since most WiiU games are actually pretty small in size and the WiiU allows for external harddrives (unlike the PS4), there is no issue here. 20 GB will most likely not even be the biggest game I download the month of 'X' release. It's absolutely not unusal for a X1/PS4 game to eat up at more than twice that space. Take for example Halo MCE, I think it's about 66 GB by now with updates and whatnot. Just put the system in stand-by overnight and you're good to go the next morning - really no biggie.
I wonder if the endproduct will be compromised in order to meet that kind of last-gen target size. I hope compression won't be an issue with textures and audio .... damn 20th century retail mentality, as if file size mattered in the end
Between this and Zelda U, who is going to have time for other games?
So how big is the new 3ds xenblade going to be the 3ds cartridges at most can hold is 8 gb
@andrew20 No more than 8 GB, I guess.
Considering how cheap HDs are these days, I am still surprised that Nintendo didn't go with larger storage options.
Even the PS4 came with the ancient 5400rpm style HD, when the standard has been 7200rpms for well over a decade. Solid state is ideal but cost is a factor.
I have the 30gig Wind Waker Deluxe edition, but still, 30 gigs is like, 10 dollars worth of HD these days.
Between this and Zelda Wii U, I don't think Wii U owners will really have any need of anything else.
The more I hear about this game The more I love it. I was always day one but definitely not as excited as most. That's slowly changing!
The "improvement" they're talking about might suggest that physical copies of the game might require some sort of mandatory installation of some parts of the game to the console to decrease loading time. So if you're getting the digital version, this "improvement" might not be implemented on that and it's possible the download could be equal or more than 25GB.
Obviously I'll be buying the packaged version of the game. 25GB will takes WEEKS to download from where I live.
@brewsky do you actually have proof that it can't read dual layer wii u discs, because I can't find any evidence that supports whether it can or can't and it seems to largely be a mystery.
@Muyounosuke
There's no proof that the Wii U is incapable of reading dual layer discs.
But the fact that the developers said they'd need a second disc rather than a dual layer disc, kinda implies that dual layer Wii U discs do not exist.
@Muyounosuke This article is proof enough. Why would they even consider using a second disc at one point of development when adding a second layer to a disc is an option?
Annnnd this is the reason I don't download games. Even if we ignore the fact of having to store that amount of data on a console/hard drive...how long is this thing going to take to download?! You'll definitely need to pre-download this one if you want to get stuck in right away on launch day. Or just buy the disc, which is the more sensible option.
Sure hope this and Zelda have 4 or 5 month launch span between them.
Oh boy. I seriously need to magically clear my game backlog before the NA release of this. There is no way I won't get engrossed in this, so I need to play it at my comfortable pace without any other games to worry about. Heck, if it's at least 300 hours, then I might take longer. I tend to unconsciously take longer finishing RPGs.
Oh, and if the online mode is what I think it would be, then there's no way this won't claim the rest of my gaming time for a while. At the least, I'd better finish Earthbound fast.
@brewsky because they used almost all of both layers? They never specified file size either. I'm just playing devil's advocate here.
Concerning the article: I never thought I'd almost be more hype for a game over Zelda! XCX sounds more awesome by the minute! Hopefully this game is eligible for pre-loading. I'll definitely will be taking advantage of that (even though I'll get physical copy of this as well just to collect.)
I have a feeling this will be the first Wii U game to offer Hard Drive installation (like how the other two consoles require every game to be installed)
@Sir_JBizzle Again, Wii U discs are single layered and only hold 25 GB. Seeing that we haven't seen a single game use a dual layered disc, and that the developers of this game said they were thinking they would have to use two discs, it's obvious that the Wii U simply doesn't support multilayered discs for Wii U games.
@Baker1000 I'm definitely taking advantage of pre-load. Though I have gigabit Internet, so it typically doesn't take very long to download games. I think the largest game which was around 15gb took around 30-45 minutes...
Yes, my preciouuussssss. Come to meeeees
@SilentHunter382 Better giddy up, I'm on 40 hours and have no idea if I'm nearing the end or not. XD
Hope my console can handle it.
Edit: wait, this will be significantly less if I get it physical like mist games, so nvm.
@brewsky though again playing devil's advocate, they could have planned for the game to have 66GB. Without a hard number from the developers themselves, we can't say if it's one thing or another. It's all speculation until we get a file size as there's no documentation (as far as what I've seen) that indicates whether or not the Wii U can read dual layered discs.
For what it's worth, I do think it's closer to 25, I was just being objective, as there is a legitimate argument for the other side.
@Angelic_Lapras_King
I suppose it depends on the level of completion you're going for. I beat it already, but there are still "Ultimate" level bosses I haven't defeated, and a few side quests I have yet to complete. I think my game has 130 hours logged into it.
http://www.360newsfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/image41.jpg
Well the people at nintendo are masters at efficient file compression. The entire Super Mario World game is smaller than the recent update for Sanic Boo.
Just because no game has had a need for more than 25GB of space doesn't mean the discs are limited to that. The main difference between Nintendo's optical discs and Bluray discs is that one is CAV and the other is CLV. Basically, a difference with how the data is stored/read, and is how they can be prevented from being ripped, as most computer disc drives don't have CAV capabilities. The game could very well be dual-layer, and they were reaching the 50GB limit, as they made no mention of the actual game's size.
This is why I bought a 2 TB hard drive.
@SupremeAllah Well, havent really done everything 100% on my journey. Made it to Sword Valley (If you wanna say how close to the end I am without any spoilers, go right ahead. )
Downloading this won't be problem on my 2TB Hardrive.
Good thing I got a 2TB hard drive.
@BarryDunne Thanks for the heads up! They are open for US as well.
@BieberBlows For how much? If you dont mind me asking.
@BigH88 mine was around $100 I think, 1TB was about $10 cheaper.
@Trapleton Nah, not at all. Size is a non-issue for me, really. I have 24 or 25 full retail games, a bunch of indies, and a couple dozen VC and my external HDD is barely dented at all.
@BigH88 I think it was $90ish. I'm going to be honest though, if you haven't got an external hd yet, get something smaller. I don't have a chance in hell of filling mine; I doubt I'll even get it halfway full.
@BieberBlows Yeah, for sure. I greatly overestimated how much space I would need and bought a 2TB drive. Dozens of games and still like 1.7TB left lol...
I've got 284 of my 300GB left. Since I buy all my 1st party games on disc, I don't plan on using that space for anything else. If it'll help it run better, I'm on board.
I need to clear my backlog right now, this game is going to destory me and my backlog if I don't.
thats what she said
Dang...
@Porky were you able to get Toad? Or Mario? I didn't see Mario in the drop-down menu at all and Toad was unavailable, so I don't know if that means he sold out or what.... that makes me sad on the inside. HAHA
Xenoblade Chronicles X isn't a sequel, right? I want to play it, but I never played Xenoblade Chronicles due to its limited release in the US.
@CaviarMeths We got hustled by ourselves.
@Sir_JBizzle No sir. Only managed Bowser, Peach, Yoshi, and Luigi. Toad remains unavailable and I heard Mario is bundled with every Mario Party 10 copy. It might not be every copy and he will be sold individually but if so, Mario isn't necessary if you plan to get Mario Party 10 XD.
I got a 1 TB drive for free, they get donated to the computer recycling outfit I work for... and, well... we don't use them for a whole lot, so...
Incidentally, I am reminded that the Wii U uses some weird proprietary form of FAT32 HDD formatting... It has the same limitation of only working on 2TB or less drives, but it also injects some weird copy protection DRM...
Oh, and the idea of utilizing an HDD to speed up disc loading times harkens back to the PS2. I remember cutting down on load times in Resident Evil Outbreak by using the HDD that came bundled with Final Fantasy 11... This method of speeding up load times continued on the PSP with games like Valkyria Chronicles 2 allowing one to spend some memory stick space to partially install game data from the UMD. So this would be quite an outdated method of speeding up load times on physical disc reads, but I guess it's a golden oldie of sorts...
I'm happy it's on one disk only.
I'm shocked.
Because I thought Wii U disks could go up to 50GB like the normal Blu-Ray that they emulate.
I guess this means that dual-audio is unlikely.
If we go by the information in the previous teardowns and price point estimates:
http://www.gengame.net/2013/03/cnn-estimates-the-cost-of-manufacturing-wii-u-to-be-about-228/
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nintendo+Wii+U+Teardown/11796
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6465/nintendo-wii-u-teardown
The optical drive is probably specialized, so even though it's relatively cheap to produce, it comprises about 1/3 the weight of the system. Either it's just heavy for a similar reason that older computer hardware tends to be larger, or it's heavy with extra parts allowing more performance than we would expect.
Can it read a specialized fabrication of dual-layered Wii U discs? I wouldn't be surprised if the answer was more of a manufacturing logistics issue than a technology issue.
@BieberBlows Ok thanks for the advice.
@Ragnarok10 I read somewhere that it is a spiritual successor so it might not be a direct sequel. Possibly another story involving an xenoblade of sort, cause otherwise it would be strange to keep the name.
With this and Persona 5 supposedly coming out this year, I'll be in JRPG heaven.
@Porky I was on the fence about getting MP 10, though for 50 and a free amiibo, I suppose it's not a bad deal. But this totally ruins my all digital conquest! Haha
@Ralek85 Halo Collection is actually closer to 90GB with all the updates installed, 60 just to get the game on there.
@Discostew An interesting theory that was failed to be mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised at 50GBs though. This game is looking absolutely massive!
That doesn't surprise me seeing as games like God of war 3 and wolfenstein new order are around 40gb
@Golfshirt I didn't think of that, I was thinking of a day one update, but that makes sense - although it could be an install in the form of a day one update.
Doesn't surprise me. That game's maps are huge. So big in fact that Sakurai should have made them stage hazards. Oh, wait...
@Angelic_Lapras_King
Oh. You've got a long way to go
I need to get another hard drive soon. My spare 120gb ssd is almost full anyway.
What does this leave with the mass population for the digital version? I don't think a lot of people know how to get a proper hard drive and can afford them. The dual-layered disc speculation is very unlikely if we keep in mind of Wii U Deluxe's default 32 GB space.
I agree with those suggested an optional install, I think thats the way we are heading with this one
Definitely sounds like they'll let us install it. It's about time. I've been saying for ages that game consoles are now being held back by physical media. The tech in these machines is so advanced, reading data from a disc is so slow in comparison.
@DefHalan Yeah, I agree this game is going to have a install to hard disk option for key data files. They imply that people with the disc version should choose to use the optimisation, which suggests it has to be something the user can do, which means saying yes when it asks to install to the HD. Installing key resource files which are used often to disk would speed it up reads a lot.
Which also means download users will be fine. (I plan to get digital and a boxed version though, which I hope comes with something awesome)
I have never played the first Xenoblade, but as I keep on looking at this title, it gets me interested more, but I'm not a big RPG person. Does anyone know if this is like a large adventure-opened RPG, or is it that Final Fantasy-type-RPG...if it's like Final Fantasy, I'll pass on the game.
Wii U already had over 20.GB games on eShop since 2012.
I wonder why 50.GB disc can't be used on this game, or Wii U.
@SupremeAllah because my PS3 has needed 3 replacement hard drives over like 6 years. My friends with x360s can say the same. But my wii never had an issue. My wii u will never have an issue. And like someone said, just delete old games you not playing, not the saves...then in a year when you back to replay it, set it to download and next day you all set. I've consodered getting an exteranal hd, but I really just don't need it. I still prefer discs, but I have plenty of digital games.
@Donutman
Well you can't blame Sony or Microsoft for HD issues and say Nintendo's won't have an issue, as they are all basically the same thing. Hard Drives. Nintendo adding extra storage space isn't going to make it less reliable. There is absolutely no reason to believe that.
That would be akin to saying X-Boxes fry themselves into red rings because of the AMD hardware, even though Nintendo and Sony both also use AMD technology.
Ultimately, there is no real reason for Nintendo to have skimped out on HD space. 8 gigs isn't enough, and honestly, I don't think my 30 gig is enough, either. I don't want to delete old stuff. I want it to always be playable. That's why I have 4TB on my PC. As I mentioned before, the cost of 8 gigs (you can't even buy an 8gig HD these days) is virtually nothing, and 30gigs is likely less than the 10 bucks I mentioned in the initial post. Hell, you could get a 32gig flash drive for less than 20 bucks these days, and they are faster than the standard HDs being used in any of the current consoles.
Though you had some terrible luck with your PS3. I have one of the first gen models, which has never given me any issues, and from what I've read, they are the best ones to own as far as reliability.
Well, why not go the two disc route then ? They dont need to be two active play discs. Make one install dict and one play disc. The play disc contains everything interactive, while the install disc just installs all static parts, like cutscenes etc.
That way, you get the biggest storage eaters out of the way.
But even with the single disc solution, there is simply no way for me to think that this game can be a misfire. Its just looks way too good.
@renaryuugufan92 The EU Version maybe? I just checked on my X1 and it says 61.5 GB for the U.S. version including updates. (I was still a bit off but that doesn'T change my point of course )
@brewsky
I'm certain it can play multilayered discs. It plays brawl just fine so there's no reason why it can't
A multidisc game, eh? I haven't heard of that since the PlayStation 1... Just how big did they make it?!
Where would one find an external harddrive?
Instead of two discs is much better a dual-layer Wii U disc which is almost identical to a dual-layer Blue-ray disc (50GB). There were dual-layer Wii discs, in between.
Just make it two discs already!
@SilentHunter382 you'd better crack on chief, I've played for over 100 hours and I'm still not even close to finishing, it really is a huge game.
@Trapleton Ever heard of an external hard drive?
@JasonAnArgoNOT64 Amazon.com. You can get a 1TB external hard drive for under $75.
300 hours... As I play other games too, this is going to last for years.
I would not like 2 discs, because the game would be less seamless, but a download of like 5 Gigs for the rest of the content would be fine with me.
Maybe they should have discs that can hold more data. You know, maybe make a system that can hold 50GB so you don't need two discs, like was made 7 years ago. Honestly though, I hope they make it two discs of they need to, with an install option for one of the discs.
An optional install sounds like the right move. I remember Birth By Sleep on the PSP even had three types of optional installs!
@SupremeAllah Good to know. Loving this game so far, definitely picking up the New 3DS Port.
Pre-installing file/Download if HD textures maybe? I need to get a hard drive for my Wii U soon anyway.
I guess I can still play with my old fat Arcade 360 only thanks to an external HD in which installing my CDs. It's time to give WiiU owners the chance to do the same thing!
If you own a PC/XBO/PS4, 25GB really is not that large. lol I am glad that it'll be a big game for the Wii U though. I'm really looking forward to it. I'm assuming they are going to allow for an optional texture install to improve loading times, which sounds good to me.
@SupremeAllah I always thought wii u uses a flash memory hard drive instead of a traditional one. Traditiional ones require more power to run, more moving parts, hence less reliable. They are louder. These are just a few reasons why I can see Nintendo not going with a tradition hdd. The biggest con to it is obviously the size. It costs a lot of $$ to get a 100gb flash drive in a wii u. Besides, as much as I like to have it all at my finger tips, the reality is I cant play 10 games at a time. Ive beat pikmin 3 a couple times now, so I deleted it, not the saves, but the game, and it frees up space to I can play Metroid Prime trilogy. In a few months when ive made my way through those again, and I feel like replaying pikmin, I will redownload it. To me, the reliability of a wii u as well as the ease of use are why I feel like 32 gb is fine for me. I try to get stuff on discs before digitally since I still like to trade in games after playing them and I hate buying a digital game I don't end up even liking and wasting money on. Cough JOURNEY AND LIMBO. both over priced and very dissapointting to me because of that. Limbo was barely 2 hours long with $15 price tag. same with journey... I bought a ps3 the day Uncharted 2 released, loved it until I was a out 400 hours into dark souls, and then my HDD died. I had a real hard time keeping the system after that. And when it died the 2nd time, it became my sons. My Wii u still has my saves from my Wii on it, which is like saying this system has lasted 10 years. And funny true store, my wii hd never had an issue, but I had to replace the disc drive 2 times over the what 8 years I had it. Moving parts... Nintendo wants you to play their games/systems for years, so they make them reliable.
@SupremeAllah
5400rpm is still the standard today for low-energy, lesser noise, less heat and non-stop usage like in NAS devices
Never had any interest in the first game, but I admit that I have my eyes on this one. Let's just hope the game doesn't cause the Wii U to freeze up like every single third-party game that I played on the system during its first year.
@adrenochrome
As a PC enthusiast, that does not compute. I get what you're saying, but anyone who builds their own PC more than likely isn't buying 5400rpm HDs, and even the store bought models don't ship with them.
@Donutman
I understand, but when you get into buying Wii U games from the Eshop, you could by two or three games and max out your 32gb. It just isn't very efficient. My brother has the 8gb Wii U and got an external 1TB hard drive hook up. Obviously, he'll never run out of space.
I still have about 17 gigs free out of my 32, and the only Wii U games I have digital copies of are Wind Waker HD and New Mario Bros U.
Apparently the only solution is that nintendo allow the option of pre-installing this type of game!!
Just curious but which game has a bigger world, Xenoblade X or Zelda U?
@SupremeAllah get into buying digital...I have 5 full retail games that I ended up getting the digital instead. I also have about 50 eshop games. I'm not talking about the near 200 I have on my wii vc. Yes, nes games are tiny, but I still have no issue deleting a game like stick it to the man after 2 playthroughs...so I could get citizens of earth and the prime trilogy. Once I'm done with them, I'll delete them. But I know if i ever want to replay, I just have to re download and they ready the next day, or sooner.
Hehe, that reminds me of Tales of Symphonia... While practically multi-disc games can be a pain because there's more to potentially lose, i rather like the way that they can clearly seperate acts.
I don't get why they couldn't just make a dual layer disc. Wii-U can read dual layer Wii discs, so why not make a firmware update that allows it to read dual layer U discs? It uses a BluRay laser after all...
@adrenochrome Actually, 7200 RPM drives are the standard, and have been for at least the past 6 years. It's true that 5200 RPM drives around 5 years ago offered greater density, making the 7200 RPM not make much of a difference, even outperforming older energy hogging drives. However, newer 7200 RPM drives can be whisper quiet at max performance these days; even 10,000 RPM VelociRaptors are not very loud.
For temperatures, even my old Western Digital Caviar Green HDD from 2009, a 7200 RPM 1TB drive, only gets up to 40 degrees celsius tops and still does not suffer from any performance losses due to aging and use, both traits of which are pretty normal for most decent HDD's. Most newer HDD's are relatively energy efficient, 5200 RPM's are no longer unique in that regard.
As for non-stop usage... you'll wear out any physical hard drive too quickly if you keep them on all the time. (Most HDD's last up to around 10,000 hours, but that's only if they're allowed to rest.) Hence, the Wii U's implementation of flash memory.
The choice of using a 5200 RPM drive in the PS4 was just a way for Sony to cut costs by using a cheap product that is less powerful than small dedicated drives that existed 5 years ago.
@PlywoodStick
i was just saying that 5k rpm is still a today standard
of course all the disks are improving and getting quieter
but relatively speaking you will alway need more power for 10k than 5k rotation, if you swap your netbook 5k rpm disk for a 10k, your battery will discharge much quicker
there is SOC limitation too that you'll find in plenty of devices like NAS, it represent a bottleneck rendering useless high rotation disks (anyway 5k is enough for streaming a fullhd movie)
Today every manufacturer continue to build, improve and sell 5k disks
for my non-stop usage, even if i had the knowledge and the money to guess/choose a good ssd disk from 2015(studies from 2010 disks are not that positive, now we'll have to wait some years for today real-life ssd results) that may surpass a physical disk lifespan, then i would choose a ramdisk drive that would really last a whole human life
@Dr_Corndog Hmm, maybe, but it's still a pain. I remember back in elementary school computer lab we played games from 5 1/4" inch floppy disks on Apple IIs (it was the early 90s). The most popular game and also the only one that require two disks was "The Oregon Trail." We had to switch disks upon arrival at Fort Laramie.
I have no idea what these guys above are rambling about. All I know is, I NEED THIS GAME!
@XenoBlaze I'm thinking Xenoblade X will be bigger, it'll be 400km2 which is 150 square miles, think 10 times bigger than skyrim.
@zenobladecross thanks, I had a feeling that xenoblade would be bigger
@XenoBlaze No problem. They're both going to be big games, and I'm looking forward to them!
@Snugglebutt
Join the Master Race, my friend. Nintendo consoles are the perfect compliment to a God PC.
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