Massive Pokémon Reveals Occur During Super Smash Bros. Nintendo Direct

Greninja will be my main. Trust me.

Of all the Pokemon that could be playable, I'm glad they picked Greninja.

I must admit I am looking forward to beating up Charizard!

Wait, Mega Lucario replaces the old Final? :c I loved that beam attack. (I forget what its called, lol)

Greninja was my starter Pokémon in Pokémon X, so I'm very happy that it made the cut.

I main Charizard in Project M, where he's by himself (along with Squirtle and Ivysaur), and I never thought he would appear to be by himself on any other Super Smash Bros. game. I'm extremely excited that he's flying solo in Smash 4, and I'll definitely main him again!

Good choices. I guess after Mewtwo is announced that will be all the Pokemon characters.

@SparkOfSpirit NO FOOL WE NEED JIGGLYPUFF TOO

@Mizore It's called Force Palm.

For a moment I thought it was going to be Mewtwo.. disappoint. .. well this confirms no pokemon trainer but is there a chance we may still see Squirtle and Ivysaur?

@Luigifan141 Oh yeah. Well, I guess that goes without saying. All Smash 64 characters will make the cut.

Yeah, lots of cool characters there and there was 5 additional playable characters officially announced today for the first time which was pretty neat.

http://www.smashbros.com/en-uk/

@Azooooz No it's not.

Kinda glad Boretwo was replaced by something else

Usually its 4 playable characters per franchise with exceptions (Dr Mario from the Dr Mario series, Yoshi from Yoshi and DK from DK etc.) so this maybe all the Playable Pokemon we're getting.

Before you point out Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser and Roselina from Super Mario series......both Luigi and Peach did star lead in their own games. XD

That was amazing. This is such a good year to be a pokemon fan!! Greninja is my favorite starter from XY. I was freaking out when they announced him. Totally random! Sakurai must have really loved him!

@Melkac lol, Mewtwo was kinda slow to me, glad that they put a faster Pokémon.

@Angelic_Lapras_King Jigglypuff is basically a lock. They're never going to cut Smash 64 characters.

We've got some the coolest and most logical pokemon choices in now! This is amazing!

I honestly don't know who Grenjina is, I thought it was either MewTwo or Lucario, but my Pokemon obsessed kids said this was a better choice than either of those 2. I don't believe them, but at least they seem excited about it. My 9yr old was ecstatic pretty much the whole time. My oldest birthday is Sept, and since he knows Nintendo probably means Sept when they say "summer" he has his birthday present picked out.

I just dont' know why Nintendo would put so many Pokemon in Smash, a game that would sell well w/o a single Pokemon in it, rather than make a fighting game on Wii U, w/ toys. It's like Nintendo is opposed to making money, or selling any Wii U.

SSB on 3DS. Cant wait to see the japan numbers on that.

@rjejr There's only 4 Pokemon in Smash 4. That's not "so many" Pokemon if you think about it.

@rjejr Me and your son both! September birthdays have won! This whole direct left me in shock. I want this game NOW!

lol Shadow isn't getting in! lol!

I'll definitely have a ton of fun beating up Charizard. He looks like a giant orange punching bag!

Wait, so Zero Suit Samus is a character separate from Samus to choose on the character selection screen?

@Funny_Moblin Yes, same with Zelda and Sheik.

I am so glad Greninja will be playable! I've been wanting him as a character ever since I played Pokemon X! He might replace Luigi as my main...

@SparkOfSpirit @Funny_Moblin Nah, I think they'll be in the same roster spot, but you'll only be able to use one in battles.

What I want to know is... Where the heck is Ness and Lucas?

I love their inclusion but at this point, Nintendo should build a Super Smash Bros. spin-off focused entirely around the Pokemon universe. Just think of the possibilities in terms of stages and roster. Since it takes like 6-7 years to develop Smash, it would make the PERFECT "in-between" title to release while a new Smash is made. It would also be a perfect title to draw in players who think regular Pokemon titles are too kiddie. Also, I bet it could become a good addition to the tournament scene. Since Pokemon is a single universe, developers could focus on balance and build a game that is accessible yet finely tuned for the pros (the same way the original Street Fighter II did it). Make it happen Nintendo!

I remember people in the stream freaking out thinking Mewtwo would be confirmed because of how Greninja looked in the shadows before the reveal. Even I thought that! This is definately a surprise, and I can't wait to try this character out :3

@MixMasterMudkip @SparkOfSpirit Ah, thanks guys. I actually don't know how to react to this. Plus it takes up more space on the roster, but it might be for the better...

@Funny_Moblin Yep :3 Her move set has been updated as well

@TreonsRealm No, the Smash Bros Series. will not be milked. And then what, a Pokemon kart racer?

@MyMogo2 Lucas is gone for good, people should just forget about him in Smash.

@AkinaChan oh, right! Thanks, I'll have to check that out again.

@Azooooz ....Yeah no. lol
Anyways I think it was called Aurora Storm.

@rjejr haha me and my cousin watched it and he flipped over charizard while I was like mehh but I flipped for greninja Sakurai did a great job i feel more hyped then ever im buying the 3ds when the 3ds version comes and then I'm buying the Wii u along with the Wii u version for Christmas

@Mizore I'm very sure it's force palm,

What the--What even is that fuzzy toy that Greninja throws in one of the images on the official Smash Bros. website!??

@Funny_Moblin
That's the Substitute Plushie!
It seems like Substitute will be one of Greninja's special moves.

@EarthboundBenjy Ah, thanks. I'll look more into it...but where have I seen this before in Smash...substitute plushie...I've seen it before, I think.

Why are people happy about this frog who are above the age of 7? Also, I hope squirtle makes the cut too, but Ivysaur looks like he just fell off the face of the earth. Too bad, too because all 3 pokemon trainer pokemon were cool

@funny_moblin I don't think sheik and Zero suit samus bring saparate characters is going to really affect the number of the characters they were always separate characters to begin with

@Funny_Moblin - It would only be milking if it became a yearly thing and didn't fit. I'm talking about a "PokeSmash" in between regular Smash titles which would be like 1 every 3-5 years at max. Also, the Pokemon universe is already based around fighting and the Smash games prove that they work as fighters (just look at the tournament scene with characters like Pikachu). I am completely against milking a franchise (cough- EA, Activision, UbiSoft -cough) but I am all for a spin-off that would work and make complete sense. Fans want new games from Nintendo and this is a proven option that would do quite well. Also, I think Nintendo would be able to restrain themselves and not get out of hand with it. Hell, they've only done 8 Mario Karts in over 20 years and 5 Smash Bros. in 15 years. Despite what the Haters say, Nintendo doesn't go the route of something like Assassin's Creed which has released over 10 games since 2007 which is just plain pathetic.

@Azooooz Yeah ok you keep thinking that, I'm not arguing. Can't tell if you're joking or not. >.>

@TreonsRealm Alright, I see what you're saying. Fair point. It's just that I think that even a Pokemon Smash Bros. will take the focus away from what the series truly is.

@sicnlol Ohhhh, of course. Thanjs. That was kinda dumb on my part. You're right, the character already occupied space.

I freaked out when Greninja was revealed. Just awesome.

Guys, what do you think of the physics? Does it look much more like Mele than Brawl?

@SparkOfSpirit
Glad to hear that, as Ness and Captain Falcon would be quite a lose. Not my favorite but still...

I kind of screamed a little when Greninja was announced. Greninja and his pre-evos have been my favorite Pokémon since X and Y's release, and I am absolutely ECSTATIC to be able to kick everyone's butt with him. So now, both my #1 favorite Pokémon and many of my favorite Nintendo characters are playable in the same game. This is FAR more than I could ever ask for

Greninja is my favorite Pokemon! I'm happy that he's a playable character. Charizard was put in for fan service.

@funny_moblin no you was right in a sense, had Sakurai chose to kept Squirtle and ivysaur along with charizard we'd be looking at seven playable Pokemon (Assuming jiggly is in) and in that case it would had been a waste of space as we don't need that many Pokemon characters xD as for the gameplay if you look at greninjas trailer you could see more of melee on the ground with more of brawl in the air (but less floatier) I think he took the best of those games and put it together and it looks great

@sinconlol Yeah, lol. It would overflow with Pokemon between the playable character and all the Pokeballs--foof! I think you're right about the gameplay. Even though I want it to be as close to Melee as possible, I appreciate him trying to balance it out. I just wish he would gives the option to play completely like Melee, or completely like Brawl. But I can't really jugde, I guess I will need to play it to truly see how it turns out.

I like the announcements, however, Leon from RE4 would be nice. I also really really really want Mii characters in it, you know, maybe with being able to choose between some preset fighting styles, sword, spear, Axe, etc. It'd be awesome, oh and professor Layton would be great too, but whatever lol

Sakurai's an interesting person when it comes to character reveals.... I was screaming at my TV Mewtwo when I saw the sphere.

I'm a big Long time Ninteneo fan, but had no idea what a geninja was. Personally, I am hoping that's all the Pokemon. Can't avoid Jiggly puff

P-Please Chesnaught and Delphox love too please?

Very interesting choices. So I guess Pokemon Trainer won't be coming back.

Greninja, my starter from Pokemon X YESS

I got all excited to see Mewtwo though, and that never happened

Wow, was not expecting this! Hope it still has Jigglypuff, and now I'm hoping for a grass starter as well!

The fact that it's just Charizard and not Ivysaur amd Squirtle thrown together again to make Pokémon Trainer Red disappoints me. Seems like they're just trying to appeal to genwunners again, like what it seemed they did with making Charizard and Mewtwo the only ones with dual Mega Evolutions.

I wanted to Meloetta as part of the roster, but well, at least, "she" will be in the game in the battles. ^.^

Still miss Mewtwo. Oh well

Genwunners are suffering. Let them rage :3

Greninja is an awesome addition, and is what new smash games hype are: new characters. You got the past games to play as mewtwo if you are expecting it to appear :>
Also for some reason, I keep seeing greninja as in shiny color. I hope they include his shiny coloration as an alternate color.

Damn greninja or little mac who will be my main is so hard to choose.

I'm over Mewtwo, I have no desire to play as that lame Pokémon after I get my hands on Greninja and Charizard!

Some great reveals but was anyone else disappointed when the Dk Country Kremlings walking around in Smash Run didn't result in a King K.Rool reveal?

@Mizore im gona miss his beam too

Greninja strikes me as somewhat of an odd choice, mainly because it doesn't quite have the popularity that most veterans do. Pikachu, Charizard, Mewtwo, and Lucario are all insanely popular, and recognizable even to people who don't know the series that well. Greninja though? It's not really any more popular than any of the other dozens of starters we've had over the years. But I guess if we really need a 6th gen rep, it's about as good as we're going to get (I don't think any of the 6th gen Pokemon even come close to the level of popularity that the others do).

Also, where was it confirmed that Mega Evolution is achieved through Mega Evolution? Not that I doubt it, that makes the most sense, but they didn't say anything about how it works in the Direct, just that Mega Lucario and Mega Charizard X were in the game.

I'm OK with Charizard if he is a stand alone character. I like the concept of the Pokémon Trainer,but I rather have a well-rounded, actually decent character than 3 average characters. If it leaves room for other fighters, even better. And any excuse to get that kick-ass Mega Charizard X in the game is fine by me.

Oh this was so good. Made my day when I saw it, couldn't even believe it. I was hoping that the Pokemon trainer would use Gen VI Starters (Chespin, Braixen, and Greninja), but wow, just Greninja is fine with me! He's my favorite X/Y Pokemon (aside from Heliolisk).

Oh man, playing Smash with Greninja. He better be good.

@Bolt_Strike Do you honestly think Lucario would be as popular recognisable if it wasn't for Brawl? He was popular, but I'd argue not AS popular as you'd expect to appear as a new SSB character. But rather he made a good Gen 4 representative becaus he was the first Gen 4 pokemon to be revealed

@CaveDweller Lucario was heavily marketed before Brawl was even released though. Hell, it even got a movie before it was even available in the games. Greninja though, hasn't really been promoted more than any other starter (until now of course) so it doesn't make as much sense to include it. It serves as a mascot for the current generation, but that's about it really, it's not on the same level as Pikachu, Charizard, and company.

No words for this madness

@Bolt_Strike I believe it's because it's more or less the Pokemon everyone attached to in X and Y and said, "This Pokemon is awesome guys." Plus it's the most recognizable "Ninja" Nintendo has bar perhaps Sheik.

On another note. As of yesterday's lineup that makes 28/35 characters (or 26 if Zero Suit and Sheik don't count). It seems like two of the three main Nintendo series have their representation quite heavily now,
Mario: Mario, Luigi, Bowser, Peach, Rosalina & Luma, Yoshi
PKMN: Lucario, Pikachu, Greninja, Charizard.

At this point I'm wanting,

• Ness
  Falco
  Ganondorf
  Chrom OR Lucina

@rjejr trust me, hes a better choice

I was happy when Greninja was announced, I used to wreak havoc with teams for a while, not to mention he has such a good design.
Greninja-Protean-Mystic Water
-Extrasensory
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Dark Pulse

I don't know much about Pokemon, but I do know that I'd like to play as Charizard!

Aww... I wish Charizard had the Charizardite Y instead.

I am very happy about this! I was halfway expecting the Pokemon Trainer to pop-up and bring out a grass-type also, but that's okay. I am glad to see more standalone Pokemon. I honestly would be happy for maybe one more as well... maybe Mew Two. (Actually thought Greninja was Mew Two before he popped out) And I know we have a fire type in Charizard, but man I would have loved to see Blaziken in the game.

I'm actually a little disappointed in the removal of transforming characters: Zelda/Sheik, Samus/ZSS, and the Pokemon Trainer. Its great that Sheik and ZSS are separate characters, but only having Charizard is really sad to me. The PKMN trainer was a favorite of mine, with the ability to switch between a lightweight, medium, and heavyweight. Plus I love squirtle, and Ivysaur had really great moves. The game loses a little bit of its uniqueness in my personal opinion by not having transforming characters. And now my dreams of a transforming Young (masks) Link from Majora's Mask have been squashed (would have been Young Link transforming between the three forms of Deku Link, Goran Link, and Zora LInk, with Fierce Diety Link obviously being the final smash).

@SphericalCrusher I don't know if Mewtwo is going to appear (I really hope he does), but I'd say chances are very great that Jigglypuff is returning (would be kinda crazy for one to have been there from the start to disappear after 3 games).

@Chubblings pretty sure you could see Greninja use Substitute too.

Most of the new features announced sound pretty awesome to me.

(My OPINION, it's fine if you don't agree!) Now though this may sound kind of negative, I am pretty ticked about this choice. No, not Charizard, he's hardcore and a classic favorite. The addition of Greninja is what has me baffled. Who even asked for it? There are SO MANY other characters (from Pokemon or another series) that people are just pleading for, and they go ahead and add one that nobody (or few) would have really asked to be included. In terms of being chosen out of the Pokemon series only, there are much more varities of Pokemon that could have had a spot in here, like some classic and well known ones with an already large, devoted following. Precisely, Mewtwo, which I still hope can be added in. Maybe its just the company's choice to add in a new character like Greninja to appeal to the newcomer audience, but I gotta say that it's a poor choice to go in with the "new" and just wasting a character spot like that.

@duffmman Honestly, the only reason I could see Jigglypuff returning is to promote Fairy type. Despite being from the original, Jigglypuff isn't really as relevant or popular as it was in 1st gen (in fact, I think the only thing justifying its relevance as a mascot is its appearance in the anime, but it hasn't had a major role in years). I think it's stupid to leave a particular character in forever unless they continually remain relevant, such as the main characters from Nintendo's major franchises (Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Link, Zelda, Pikachu, Yoshi, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, and Wario will almost certainly appear in every game, whereas I can see characters like Fox, Falco, Ness, and Captain Falcon being cut at some point if their franchises eventually die).

Greninja isn't Gardevoir but at least it's not yet another Gen 1 Pokemon to pander to genwunners.

I think it's fair to say nobody expected Greninja. And I don't hate Greninja, if you're wondering, I personally want at least 1 playable Pokemon from each gen as an avid Pokemon fan myself.

@Bolt_Strike I have to disagree. While the releveance of Jigglypuff has gone by the wayside, the same could easily be argued about Charizard and moreso for Lucario. Mewtwo is easily far more relevant than Lucario, yet I'm not expecting his return despite how much more I'd prefer to see him in the game over Lucario. That coupled with the fact that Lucario's moveset is very similar to Mewtwo's. Meanwhile there is no other character with a moveset remotely similar to Jigglypuff's. As it is, every character that first appeared in the very first game has been carried across to the two released sequels that came after it, I see no reason why that trend wont continue. Now do I care personally if Jigglypuff returns? No, not at all, but if I were a betting man, whether I like it or not, Jigglypuff will be back.

@duffmman Relevance is not the only factor here, there's also popularity. And the fact of the matter is that Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario, and Mewtwo have plenty of both, the first on that list being the very image of Pokemon itself, while the latter three are fan favorites and all got Mega Evolutions in XY. What does Jigglypuff have? It hasn't been popular since the OG anime, and arguably the only thing making it still relevant is that it got Fairy type.

That being said, I agree with the logic that Jigglypuff would be a better fit than Mewtwo FOR THIS GAME because it has a more unique fighting style, with Lucario and Greninja already revealed, Mewtwo would indeed be overkill. But in future games? Tougher to say, maybe Jigglypuff and Greninja won't be as popular in future generations and then you could cut them both and bring back Mewtwo (although I have a feeling that there could be a better representative among whatever 7th/8th gen Pokemon we have at that point, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it).

YASSS I love Gen 6 but if there's only going to be one representative I can't think of a better choice than Greninja. Was my starter and ended up one of my top faves for not only this gen but overall. So happy I get to team up with this adorkable bamf in this game too.

Wasn't Charizard part of the "Pokemon trainer" in Brawl? If so, what happened to the Pokemon trainer?

@Azooooz Mewtwo isn't supposed to be slow, he's the original best pokemon, getting outsped by only Electrode and tieing with Jolteon and Aerodactyl. Even though there are faster ones now, he still ranks among the fastest.

@Henmii Pokemon Trainer is gone (no tranformations)

My two cents:
I'm happy to see Charizard become an independent character. The main reason I didn't use him in Brawl was because he was tied to two others and you have to waste time switching and taking damage between lives. Ivysaur made no sense compared to Venusaur and Squirtle was just an inferior Diddy Kong. On top of that, Mega 'Zard X is my favorite mega from the new games, so if I get nothing else I wanted from this game at least I will have this!
Greninja is popular among people who have actually played X & Y and is easily the best new starter. He's fast and offensively oriented, so while he may catch Smash players off guard he actually makes a lot of sense on the roster.
The main argument against Mewtwo seems to be that he isn't popular. Not only would I say he IS popular but Lucario is NOT popular. Lucario was pushed on the pokemon franchise as a cool aura sensitive monster, which conceptually is indeed cool, but Lucario doesn't have much of a fan base among players of the actual pokemon games, at least not to the extent Mewtwo does. He's decent in competitive, but Mewtwo destroys him statistically and practically.
While I do think it's beginning to look bleak with no Mewtwo yet, I still have some hope. Mewtwo and Charizard were the only two pokemon in X & Y to get TWO mega evolutions, which suggests to me he's at least being thought about. While I will be sad if he doesn't make a return with a faster, better moveset I'm pleased to at least have 'Zard and ZSS.
Oh, and we still need Falco, Puff, Ganon, and Falcon. There is no excuse for them to not return. Fudge the character select screen, the moar characters the moar better! XD

@duffmman Yup, there's a lot of things you could do with it. This is just one possible set that works.

@Bolt_Strike I have never perceived Lucario to be a popular pokemon character, especially not more popular than Mewtwo. Point is, the people choosing to include whichever 'mon they do in the game, probably don't care so much about which is the most popular 'mon and care more about what they think will have the best moveset for a Smash game.

@Neightrix
Yes to Ganon! But this time, I will seriously eat my own shi...hat if he doesn't have his OWN moveset!! I'm sick of this Capt. Falcon hand-me-down BS, as it cheapens both of these fine gents! It got a little better in Brawl, but PLEASE Nintendo; this is and has been my only real complaint of Smash since Melee! Ganny is one of the most important villains in Nintendo lore, and in light of the de-transforming characters and custom set moves, there is no &^$**#@ reason why he shouldn't have his own moves. I am all for keeping them 'similar' (the B-forward choke move is just priceless...), but the man has a sword...he HAS A SWORD!!

@2Sang Riiiiight. Says the guy who wants Squirtle in the game...

@Neightrix,

That's a pity! Not that "Pokemon trainer" added much (it was of course all about the Pokemon he summoned), but its still a pity. After all, Pokemon trainer is a big part of the Pokemon franchise since he/she's the one that explores and battles.