When Nintendo announced that it was foregoing the traditional live presentation at E3, a common initial reaction was one of surprise, with some interpreting the move as a sign of weakness in the face of big-hitting rivals. When considered with a bit more context and analysis, however, the argument could be made that Nintendo was once again going its own way and essentially shaking up the media game at E3. After all, it's not like Nintendo isn't attending E3, and in the build-up it's all felt very familiar, right down to the arrival snapshot of the company's most senior executives.
In fact, it could be said that the only people truly getting less Nintendo bang for their buck are the attending media, which can't file into a large auditorium to watch some clunky staged jokes and presentations play out on stage. There'll be a pre-E3 event for the press, which will consist of a presentation by, among others, Reggie Fils-Aime and Shigeru Miyamoto, and then hands-on opportunities. There'll also be lots of appointments, interviews and the occasional round table, while we don't yet know whether some additional Nintendo Direct snippets or broadcasts will appear over the next three days. So far, so E3 2012, but with a streamed video instead of a live presentation.
The problem for Nintendo is not only making this switch to a Nintendo Direct work, but doing so against the wave of press that will accompany the Sony and Microsoft presentations. Last year Nintendo was arguably the biggest show in town as it could talk about all-new hardware, but the tables are now turned, and its rivals will make a lot of noise about the innovation and power that they're planning to bring to the market. The Wii U is already an established presence, but faces a once in a generation issue of being noticed against the glare of flashlights on the latest hardware.
Another potential issue for Nintendo is timing, as it'll be the last of the major presentations to be aired. Microsoft's live show will take place first around the same time that this article was published, with EA and Ubisoft to shortly follow and then Sony rounding off the day. The E3 expo technically doesn't start until 11th June, but the circus is in town and premiering its acts ahead of time. This scheduling isn't uncommon at all, but the challenges for Nintendo when it eventually makes its case are, as we've already suggested, a once in a generation problem.
What we do know is that Sony and Microsoft will, if they have any sense, go all out in their presentations. Of the two system reveals in recent months we feel most would agree that Sony fared better, but in the end neither won universal acclaim; Microsoft, in particular, has had an extraordinary amount of bad press, mainly due to what can easily be argued as anti-consumer DRM practices on the Xbox One. There are headaches for both — Sony needs to talk more about how the system will work after a launch focused on UI basics, game announcements and a lot of graphics engine tech demos; Microsoft needs to try and distract people from the controversies surrounding its system and actually show some games, rather than a trendy executive watching TV and browsing the web by talking to his TV. Both may dodge release dates and how much the systems will cost, or perhaps they'll just end the suspense and put their cards on the table.
Nintendo's objectives seem to be two-fold. It needs to deliver multiple exciting games that immediately make an impact, and with big-name franchises being shown there'll be pressure to ensure that the first impression is of each series stepping it up a gear to ring in a new generation of Nintendo gaming, while those of a more demanding nature may also want some additional shocks and surprises to delight them. The second, perhaps more significant, challenge is actually getting substantial media coverage. While sites like Nintendo Life and others that are dedicated to the big N will be covering the reveals in detail, the question is how much screen space Nintendo can win on the biggest multi-platform websites and other media publications; today is all about new hardware, and when E3 opens proper on 11th June there'll likely be substantial analysis and commentary on all that passed beforehand.
So Nintendo will have to seize space from Sony, Microsoft, Ubisoft and EA both on gaming websites and in the broader media. It's a major test for the PR teams representing the company, with Reggie Fils-Aime already confirmed for interviews with online TV figures such as Geoff Keighley, and every carefully choreographed Nintendo Direct announcement will no doubt be released to the media and social networks in as many ways as possible. We'll truly get an idea of how much influence Nintendo can still muster with multiplatform media outlets, and how well its social networking hype generator is running.
Although only a one-off example, the coverage of this E3 around the media and social networks will tell us a good deal about not only Nintendo's performance, but where it stands in the mainstream market in terms of prestige and desirability. Our hope is that a fun, announcement-heavy Nintendo Direct will ignite interest in the Wii U and grab attention with some fantastic-looking games, allowing it to seize the initiative as the established, innovative system that's delivering experiences available nowhere else. A fear is that while we're obsessively watching, soaking up every detail and getting rather excited, the wider world will still be chewing over everything that came the day before, with a cursory glance or two to see what the new Smash Bros., Mario Kart and 3D Mario are going to be like.
Of course, Nintendo will have one obvious advantage over its rivals, and that's the fact that buzzed viewers can go out and buy a Wii U right away, making sales of the system worth watching as E3 progresses. With that in mind we should expect a section of the broadcast to show off sizzle reels of titles due in the next couple of months, such as The Wonderful 101 and Pikmin 3, while confirmation of a 32GB white Wii U model seems like a safe bet. Whether changes in pricing or additional bundles will feature is anyone's guess.
It's difficult to tell, frankly, at this stage, how overall coverage and consumer reaction will play out. Nintendo's prospects could certainly be boosted if Sony and Microsoft underwhelm, or if the Ubisoft conference includes some exciting Wii U-exclusive news — expect nothing from EA — to gain attention before the big N even makes its entrance. If Sony and Microsoft get their presentations absolutely right — which, to be fair, we'd argue none of the big three have actually achieved in recent years — then Nintendo has a job on its hands. Perhaps the most realistic outcome is that all of the Monday presentations will be the typical mix of highs, lows, and meme-ready gaffs; a scripted and pre-recorded Nintendo Direct may be a smart move, in that sense.
It'll be fascinating, however. Needless to say it'll be wall to wall buzz and excitement here on Nintendo Life when Nintendo steps into the spotlight, but how it plays out elsewhere will be one of the big stories of the expo. After all, E3 is primarily about building buzz and hype for games and products likely to pack out the vital Holiday season, so it'll be an early test for Nintendo's Wii U revival.
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Well duh.
Ok, that was useless and needlessly harsh. (Then my PC lost its mind, and my kids PC froze, so now Im on my tablet. Stupid karma.)
I hate the thought of no presentation (and Ted Price at the moment) and how Nintendo could get left behind. How are the soccer moms going to get excited about Just Dance 5 and WiiU FitU? Only preaching to the choir isn't going to get it done.
Today we get MS, EA, Ubi and Sony. Only Ubi will mention the WiiU, and if they have a big game thats X1 and PS4 only that excludes the WiiU - I'm thinking of BG&E2 - then thats a whole day lost. Gonna have to be one helluva ND tomorrow.
I'll never buy an X1 but Project Spark looks really good. WiiU needs its own "create" game like LBP or Minecraft. Kids dont want to just play games these days, they want to build and design them.
So long as they deliver where it matters most, the games (here's looking at you Xbone!) I'm sure they'll stand out. Besides I think this Nintendo Direct Conference will bring A LOT of new ND viewers too!
not too fussed really, as long as nintendo does well
MicroSoft is obviously going to fail with XboxOne they focus too much on Tv they forgot the important things power fameplay graphics and the games and can't forget the hardware.
I might get PS4 I might get WiiU I don't know.
@3DGamer You'll know more by the end of tomorrow
The balls in nintendos park,all they have to do is just give us the games!!
I don't think so. They're not going to be "noticed" anyway because they walked a different path, but they are going to get noticed by the consumers, the millions who buy mario and mario kart and wii fit u and animal crossing. That's the only thing they should care about, and cared about.
I love Nintendo but I don't have huge e3 expectations for them. I think Sony are the ones with most to lose from e3. MS have most to gain, and Nintendo will only be able to steal the show if the mainstream media outlets are particularly impressed with what they show. Sites like IGN and Gamespot largely ignore the Wii U and leave it out from any next gen comparison articles except to share doom rumours. I suspect Nintendo will surprise us with some good Wii U stuff but I also worry that they're still behind schedule and will spend loads of time promoting stuff that most of assumed we'd already be playing by now (Wii Fit U, Pikmin 3, W101)
The thing that I know will annoy me is how the majority of the media will just show off how fanboyish they've become. The way the IGN editors reacted to the PS4 reveal reminded me of the parents in South Park when they gave Mr Garrison an award for his courage at being a gay teacher. They'll also be the first to defend MS when the price of used games on next gen consoles is fixed at 75% of the retail price.
With Microsoft only getting applause from their most die-hard fans and paid employees, and Sony having to not only prove themselves in their system's features not being like Microsoft's in some aspects but also bring out a nice selection of games to make up for how poor Gaikai is, I do not believe for an instant that they'll be overshadowing Nintendo to as great an extent as people think they will.
Especially now that Nintendo is announcing Smash Bros.
You can NOT equal the hype of such a thing with anything other than a Twilight Princess-level reveal.
Also, @Nintenjoe64
I sincerely hope that they aren't stupid enough to set the price of used games that high, because if they do, it's going to be a bad time for Micro/Sony fans.
Nintendo would benefit from it, though, because they'd still have used games at cheap prices everywhere.
Don't let the hopes get too high, else disappointment will arise !!
I would be curious to find out how much the overheads of an E3 live presentation are? They must pay a certain amount to the E3 promoters, plus all the dragging stuff to the show.
If Nintendo are saving between $1-3 million dollars (Seems to me about the ballpark figure), that could be a substantial slice towards the TV advertising.
Bring a big stuffed walking bowser onto the stage and no one will remember what the other two systems were about. Nintendo needs to capitalize on 'Nintendo' much like Disney does. They need to see their brand for what it is and deliver.
Sony/Microsoft are both going to have the means in place for publishers to skim profits off of the used game market. There is absolutely no way Microsoft would have jumped in head first in this mess unless they had reassurances from publishers that Sony had something similar going on...
Sony's responses to questions have sounded mightily cagey, like a politican. But don't expect anymore information about that or prices until closer to launch. Sony/Microsoft are going to attempt to distract gamers with amazing games.. It will probably work, people will forget all about DRM and used games when it comes time to buy a console.
In recent weeks, Microsoft has more or less confirmed every terrible practice their bomb of a reveal promised, except for the used game charge.
@Rect_Pola Sony will be right behind Microsoft on this... It may differ slightly, maybe like a system where publishers can decide whether or not to, but it wont be required by Sony, which would be the defacto same thing because publishers have been wanting this for a long long long time.
Interesting that EA ditching Nintendo might have something to do with Nintendo refusing skimming profits off their used games... or at least partial the reason, along with lackluster sales, not accepting Origin on the system.
@element187 That would not surprise me. I'm at the point I really hoping for a sudden boom so EA (and the rest of the third parties desperately blaming an issue they can't possibly measure) are caught flat footed again. Or failing that, such a poor response to the xbone that Sony and other companies throw it under the bus by pretending they never liked the business models it represents.
All of their major franchises are due to make an apperance. I'm not sure what else they could do.
@Nintenjoe64 very true IGN has been constantly defending the Xbox One horrible DRM policies. If the Xbox One sales are good, gaming as we know it will change forever. As a community of Gamers we need to unite and support Wii U and stand against Consoles that support radical DRM.
E3 isn't the end-all. Nintendo can take its game to market in more effective ways now.
I'm watching the XBOXone's Press Conference and its OK. It's nice to see what is coming out this year.
There are a few games that seem pretty cool though most of them seem rushed, it's like any other console at launch. I have yet to be impressed The two games that look good are Forza and the Panzar Dragon game.
They are the most promising ones, it hasn't sold me yet. I think PS4 said they had 40 games, so I'm waiting on their conference, and June 12 I'll be checking out Nintendo's E3 Booths.
Nintendo will steal the show with some very good games and one or two surprises. Flashy new hardware alone can never do that. It's all about the games
@Meaty-cheeky IGN and GIO Gamstop's site which I was recently banned.
Nintendo is unlikely to get noticed, but that may end up a good thing if news end up being primarily about how DRM sucks in the other consoles......
Xbox $499/499euro/£429- Wii U isn't going to be blown away by a price war any time soon...
...They couldn't ask for a better chance in my opinion with this Direct.
The Xbox One media event was pretty bad. Lots of brown and slightly nicer looking 360-type games. Nothing that interesting announced and add in the DRM hate, it's not looking good for the Xbone.
I loved the crowd silence after the price announcement.
Nintendo should rebrand the premium as the standard and lower the price to $300 to take advantage of this.
@rjejr Sony's conference won't air on TV and Nintendo's conference wouldn't air on TV either so soccer moms can only watch Microsoft's conference on TV. No conference for Nintendo is not a huge deal. They will survive
Nintendo's games will speak louder than words at this E3, just stand back, show the awesome games, say some right key words, and they'll do fine.
Xbox One has the most to prove, so far there going down a very bad, shady path with there services, and alot of eyes will be on PlayStation 4 not making the same mistakes. I think this is the year the Wii U will prove itself, and Nintendo will show, once again, people should never count them out.
Way too many FPS on Xbox one
I saw the Microsoft conference and I'm impressed but I don't like the console itself. It's anti-consumer and it will cost $499. I will never pay that much for a console, especially if it's anti-consumer like the Xbox One
@WiiURockz yup, the system is very ugly looking, controller looks like a cheap 3rd party 360 controller, and people saying "it will cost $349" have there heads in the clouds. Look at the current gen specs and prices, now look at the specs on Xbox One and PS4, there's no way it will only cost $50-$75 more. If your into being a graphics wh**e, you'll spend the outrageous money though. My problem with the Ps4 and Xbox One is that the controller has no screen on it like the Wii U does instead Ps4 has a laptop touch pad thing, and Microsoft has the same basic controller, how boring.
I agree with the article.
Still, I'm hopin for a AWESOME Nintendo Direct tomorrow.
Love live big N!
element187
which would be the defacto same thing because publishers have been wanting this for a long long long time.
Been wanting for what? leaving DRM down to the publishers on the PS4, the PS3 DRM is down to the publishers, it's been like that since 2006.
E3 is going to be big, Microsoft have damaged themselves so far, it'll be interesting to see how well it sells. Xbox One $499 price point is also not looking good for them, Sony PS4 will probably be cheaper as you'll see later. I think the PS4 & Wii U will lead this generation, but for some strange reason the Xbox On will still sell. i just hope that doesn't damage the next generation of consoles, depending on how well the Xbox One sells.
500$ (plus 70$ for every game) is firmly out of Xmas present range. Microsoft will have a hard time convincing the average consumer to buy it.
Can't Nintendo pull another E3 2010 and call it a day?
But I do think the Xbox One has an impressive library of games, I'm looking forwards to Dead Rising 3 and Forza Motorsport 5, particularly.
This article didn't mean much to me in the first the place. Then it became 100% invalid to me when Microsoft told us the Xbox 1 would cost this much (and likely PS4 too).
Needless to say, Patcher::
Don't know about the PS4 event, but after the Xbox One event, it doesn't seem like they need to try hard. lol
I know its a"not a complete impossiblity" but I want a remake of Majoras Mask.
Battlefield 4
Witcher 3
Forza 5
Really nice 3 must have games for XBOX ONE. Nice presentation M$. Will that be enough for a good start. God knows.
Titanfall looked amazing. But everything good comes out in 2014 for Xbox one. I doubt they are going to sell millions of hardware with a new kinect sports especially with Sony at their doorstep.
To put it lightly Microsoft is in trouble.
That xbone price is insane. All the drm limitations and still having to pay for live
I believe in Nintendo, but lets see what Sony has to offer and im hating on xbox just hating...
Did you hear the silence when they announced the price of the Xboxone at the conference. Looks like PS4 will go for $450/£400, if Nintendo announced a price cut that could give Nintendo a huge advantage but I'm speaking in terms of economy of scales.
@WiiURockz - According to everything I've read Sony's conference will be broadcast live tonight at 9PM EST on Spike Tv. That's channel 41 for me. I know, I just watched the MS presentation and some of those games looked really good on my 52" tv. It's not for me, but it was on tv. And the same channel will cover the Sony event this evening, 6PM on the west coast, 9PM on the east coast. There will be more families watching the Sony presentation tonight than the ND tomorrow morning.
Well apparently I owe you a big apology. It was listed in my guide this morning, I swear. Anyway, you were right, I was wrong.
@Mewtwo21
Right? I just started fast forwarding.
Nintendo don't really have to worry too much after that presentation. Some things impressed me such as the Drivatar in Forza but most of the games looked generic and bland.
Best presentation from Microsoft in a long time, unfortunately the 500 price tag on top of the possible 70 dollar games while still paying for xbox live, and the always online old game mess Is killing it for me. If Sony comes in with the same thing, Nintendo could have the biggest bounce back in years, but Nintendo needs at least some third party support that can take advantage of its system.
Goodbye Microsoft. The biggest crooks in game history lol. Oh man I'm so bummed I can't play world of tanks hahahqhahah
did you guys see the Killer instinct trailer for xbox one? they really ruined the franchice.. by the looks of it.
i was really dissapointed by the trailer, i hoped that this game would let me buy Xone
Positive Attention for Nintendo, is needed; currently it's a lot of negative prejudice.
xboxONE Games I'm interested: MGS. Destiny. Spark. Stick of Truth. WoT. Not enough to keep me interested...
"Killer Instinct" looks like a remake, pardon my french...
Biggest leap in sports gaming was in 1998, when they went 3D.
Although I watch the other companies at E3, I'm always most excited for Nintendo's.
I think Nintendo can do it. They will have many games to show because this years e3 is all about the games! It's gonna be exciting and I think, one again, Nintendo can do it! #optimist
Nintendo Who? The company that does not even make a wireless headset? PS4 for me please!!
i think into will do great with games,if they dont drop the ball like they did at launch, dont get me wrong there were great games at the line up but 1:not enough to pump people up for it and 2:barely any launch titles like the ps3 and 360's launches. but i think nintendo did the right thing with going HD and hopefully we can see GTA v come to the wiiU. but another topic: pricing of the PS4 and XBO, i think the XBO will be $400 for the 500GB set and $350 and lower for the others now for ps4 i think there gonna be in the $350 to $390 price point cause these guys know how to market there product like nintedno with the wii and also they made so much money from there current gen consoles that THEY CAN price there next-gen consoles at those prices. but nintendo i wish the best for you this E3 and next E3 i love the wiiU but my advice would be to step up the 1st and 3rd party titles
also i think the wiiU is just carrying the dead weight of the 360 and ps3 cause thats what happen with the 360 with ps2 and original xbox games and look at it now. its playing watch dogs at a smooth 30 FPS 1080P! but seriously thats what i think
Getting noticed will be difficult if not nearly impossible. The games they announce will catch the attention of those who have played nintendo before, but how will they maintain a relationship with the consumer (in particular new consumers) after that? How many people are going to sell off their Wii U when they're done simply fooling around with just a game or 2 that's caught their attention?
I hope Nintendo just has playable demos of Super Mario Galaxy in full HD glory and a phenomenal amount of stalls to play it on.
You can't compete with the hype of big (second time) reveals, so they should make a compelling argument of our games are amazing and you can play them right now.
Well they have not even had a mention at EA's E3 conference, they only care about Xbox 1 and PS4
all nintendo needs to do is show their adorable faces and i'l be happy ;3
@takyon98
Looks like someone missed my post. That Xbox 1 will cost FIVE HUNDERED DOLLARS! Skim other people's posts before posting your own next time.
they will be fine
Wow that Xbox price is a doozy! They're (MS) are trying to entice people with a special achievement for a day one purchase, plus special controller with a few perks for the upcoming games on the system.
I do have to say the new Killer Instinct looks SICK!!! How in the hell did Nintendo lose the license to that game?! Was it always Rare's game to begin with? I use to always think that KI was one of the best exclusive IP's Ninty had.
@rjejr Then become a game developer. A real one. Game Dev Tycoon doesn't count.
And I hope you understand Just Dance released on ALL home consoles. I'm tired of people only looking at more kid-friendly third parties on Nintendo systems. Lego is a prime example. Lego Marvels is releasing on all consoles, but people like you will just see the Wii U version and call the system kiddie for having a game all other platforms have.
@rjejr
To be honest, as a bit of a Sony fan, I think that Sony has a lot to show. Sadly, I can only watch the Sony one live because I'll be leaving for school and studying math by the time the Nintendo Direct starts (it makes me pretty sad.... And no, I don't think my Android would live-stream it...... DARN!). Not to mention, the Pokemon is closed doors. But at least I can catch up on it later. An d at least I can watch 1 thing live (it may not be what I prefer, but get what you can get, right?).
@Rafie
At least it wasn't Banjo and Kazooie, that would have hurt me even more.... but I do hope that one day Nintendo can buy Rare and all its IPs back from the clutches of Microsoft.
Shouldn't be too hard to get noticed after Microsoft's conference.
@nilcam yes there was sticker shock. XD
PlayStation 4 AND Xbox One competing with Wii U?! I'm not worried...I'm not worried at all! (O_O)
@WaveBoy I agree. Nothing stood out, even Halo looked pale in comparison to Destiny's artwork.
Ryse looked like a God of War Rip Off.
Like I said earlier, Panzer Dragon and Forza stole the show for me. Everything else looked like a graphics demo, I am hoping PS4 to show me some goods. I want to see Destiny, it is honestly the only game selling Next Gen for me besides X.
I hate to say it but Killer Instinct looked like dookies... It hasn't aged well and the graphics look like the arcade version in higher Definition.
I watched the entire Xbox conference and was mostly disappointed. I mean realism could be kinda cool but the games they've shown mostly cater to violence-obsessed hardcore bro's. And some of the games like Dead Rising 3 look like they can be done on Wii U. I really hope Nintendo ups their game and show us lots of colorful, innovative, exciting games to counter all those gray-brownish, realistic, violent, quicktime-event games. And Game DVR..really? What is this new culture of sharing every piece of crap in your life with everyone? How do we find time to live if we follow everything everyone else is doing? Also, the One uses the same dashboard filled with ads...The reason I've stopped using my 360. Last but not least: using cloud computing for single player games? Not everyone has a stable connection..
I have my WiiU but I will also be getting another console. The vast majority of good games are unfortunately not on Nintendo consoles, but there are still a large amount of good games that will be on WiiU. It's more a choice of whether to have WiiU/PS4 or WiiU/XBone or all of them if you're rich!
"I thot I could do this on my own... I've lost so much along the way. Then I see your face. I know I'm finally yours. I find everything...I thought lost before. You called my name. I come to you in pieces...so you can make...me whole." -Nintendo
im buying xbox one for wee ones xmas to sit next two my wii u,that rome game,dr3,metal gear whooo,didnt see kids games they need to sort that one out.as the u gets used for netflix.until they can get some new marios out.
E3: Instead of fixing real issues, technology is created to allow you to forget about them.
How did the PS4 presentation go? Does it have a mandatory online system or backwards compatibility?
The Wii U is the champion the way I see it. The general focus toward games is a great motive, especially with the hype for tomorrow! The new 3D Mario! The new Super Smash Bros.!! Sonic Lost World!!! SECRET RETRO GAME!!!!
the xboxFail sucks, so nintendo's fine
Xbox One had some impressive graphics... and that's about all I saw. I'm still very unimpressed with their DRM and privacy issues... esp. since microsoft was complicit with NSA data mining. $500 on top of XBlive subscription is also a no go for me. I was also disappointed with their focus on violent games and shooters.
so is sony broken or something? i thought it started at 9?
I can't wait for the Sony conference!
woot 1 min till sony
@rjejr
Spike TV was broadcasting "Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story" while Sony's news conference was taking place. Where did you get the idea that Spike TV was going to broadcast the news conference?
Vita getting some more games i don't care about.
and no price drop....
so the PS4 looks like a slighty bent xbox one? or am i the only one that sees it that way/
yeh it's been pretty disappointing so far
Sony is killing it this year and Nintendo needs to come out swinging. It's make or break time for this stupid console seeing as how the PS4 is getting major exclusives and everyone keeps ignoring the U. I'm getting fed up with this Nintendo management. They just sit around and smile and act like nothing is wrong, when they're getting passed over by the PS4 and everyone else. Why did they not go for a more powerful console this time? Why?
They have a new Super Smash Bros. to announce, I'm sure they'll get noticed.
It's just really starting to hit me that this console may not get much better. They're going to struggle to break even with this, in the end. I love Nintendo and their games more than any other company but Iwata and the others are running this thing into the ground.
The stakes aren't getting higher. The Wii-U won't stand a chance against the PS4. You're naive if you think the U is going to compete with the PS4.
@Steveovig You've probably forgotten by now that even when the wii hadn't third party support and it also wasn't the most powerful console in the last console race, it managed to outsell both the ps3 and 360. YOUR TURN.
Yea but it had a good, practical gimmick. The Wii-U has a lame excuse for an iPad that can't be taken out of the house that won't catch on with anyone's grandma.
@Royalblues I think they are trying to get more core gamers this gen but I still think they're fixated on that casual audience a bit. I can't wait to see what Wii Fit U sells like!
I realise this is an odd place to say it, but I must congratulate Sony on a phenomenal E3 conference.
They were out for blood, there is no way the Xbox One will be able to compete with what the PS4 is offering: real value and real compassion for the consumers.
This is exactly the sort of healthy competition needed to revitalise the gaming industry, and push Nintendo to strive even better.
@RupeeClock I like your expression "real compassion for the consumers."
Sony just kicked Microsoft's *** this year.
Sony knocked Microsoft out at this E3, especially at the price point. Based on what I've seen so far Nintendo needs to really bring it. The third party games are becoming to good to ignore on these power houses. Nintendo has to show up with their software, right now Sony's future is looking bright.... for now.
Yea, this is do or die for the Wii U. For the sake of that system, that 3D Mario better be coming this year.
Yeah, it's going to be pretty hard to standout after Sony just brutally murdered the Xbone in front of the entire gaming community.
After Sony and Microsoft's press conferences all Nintendo has to do is show fantastic games, new IPs maybe, a price drop perhaps, release dates for games and they'll do just fine! Thanks to MS with $499 Xbone!
The Xbox One presentation was good. They announced plenty of good games. But the PS4 presentation burned the crap out of the Xbox One.
It's hilarious, we've already decided on getting a PS4 over an Xbox One, though that means we're missing out on Dead Rising 3, which sucks.
Lastly, notice how they've never said that FF15 and KH3 were PS4 exclusives? Could this mean... a Wii U release?
PS4 just spanked X1.
But with PS4 launching at $399, I wonder if Nintendo will respond tomorrow with a price drop for Wii U...
@Steveovig i have to agree with you and everyone else saying it's do or die tomorrow for Nintendo.
After seeing Sony's offering at $399, beautiful exclusives and a barrage of indie & downloadable games, the PSN and social features, and a fricken powerhouse of a system, Nintendo really needs to wow us all.
The big N needs to pull out all the stops. They made a huge bet going for the underpowered system AGAIN, and honestly I believed in them but the PS4 now has me worried for Nintendo. So many of these great 3rd party titles for PS4 and X1 could have been on Nintendo's system if they opted for the power. That, PLUS Nintendo's first party behemoths would've put them right in 1st place. But I'm not sure that Mario and Zelda alone are going to carry the Wii U up against the PS4...
They seriously need the best Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda, Super Smash, etc, all shown tomorrow.
They also need a major price cut to compete.
$299 for the Deluxe is an absolute must, if not $249.
No way anyone other than a die hard Nintendo fan is going to choose a Wii U over PS4 if the PS4 is only $50 more...
I'm rooting for Nintendo, seriously, but I'm also strongly considering a PS4 this holiday season if Nintendo doesn't give me a reason to get the Wii U first!
Just as Sony wrecked Microsoft's conference tonight, the ball is now in Nintendo's court and it's entirely up to them what happens next.
@WiiURockz - Well apparently I owe you a big apology. It was listed in my guide this morning, I swear. Anyway, you were right, I was wrong.
@WiiUDaily - "Just Dance"
If it makes you feel any better I see Just Dance and Zumba and Wii Fit 2 as adult games, not kid games. The Wii is almost certainly the #1 selling home console among housewives. WiiU may do better once more games like that come out. And I know WiiU has Just Dance, that's why I said "more".
It all goes wild tomorrow.
@WaveBoy The problem is, Sony can easily ride the wave of being the Next-Gen system people have waited years for. To most people, the Wii U is commonly considered a system that is equal to the Xbox 360 and PS3 in terms of power.
Sony just murdered Microsoft and Nintendo is not much better off right now. Many people on here were banking on Sony putting out a system that had restrictions on used games, horrible DRM rights, and would cost an arm and a leg to own.
Sony not only defied all the naysayers, but have put themselves in position to ride a wave of hype into the fall. The Wii U will do well, but with the deluxe model sitting at 349, it will be a hard sell for Nintendo without a price drop.
And with Microsoft making blunders all over the place, Sony can market the PS4 as the next-gen system to gamers.
Make no mistake, Sony is the clear favorite right now. Super Smash Brothers and the first party games will help, but will it really be enough? Especially when if Nintendo stays stubborn when it comes to a price drop?
How much of a value will a $349 Wii U look next to a $399 PS4?
Right now, Sony can market themselves as the true Next-gen console that is cheap and has the games that people want.
Nintendo will do well, I'm sure of it. But there is no denying the fact that Sony shocked alot of people and just buried Microsoft. Nintendo will have to truly step up their game and get the third-party support in line. The first party titles will always be there. They need the third-party games.
Either way, I see this becoming a race between Sony and Nintendo this generation. Microsoft has made blunders I have not seen since the days of Sega in the mid 90's
One other thing I forgot to say, the PS4 getting Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts 3 will get alot of attention and support.
Microsoft had an ok show but Sony blew them out of the water. Not with games though, they sunk Microsoft's battleship with policies. The biggest response Sony got was the no DRM, not always online and not having to sign in. When the games were shown there was a modest response. The same goes for Microsoft. However, Sony is by far the king of E3 so far.
Nintendo has to pull out the big guns to get the attention. I'm sure they can but what they have to do is show game after game of AAA titles. It's a shame we won't get to judge show floor reactions to this years offerings. I remember the amount of applause Twilight Princess got at it's E3 reveal. The audience wouldn't stop, then Mr Miyamoto came out with sword and shield and the applause went up. Nintendo needs that kind of show again.
@Trikeboy This is why Nintendo needed to do an E3 presentation. With both their competitors bringing new systems to the table, I just don't think a Nintendo Direct will get the attention it needs or is enough.
All eyes are on E3, and make no mistake Smash Brothers would have a bigger impact being shown off onstage at E3 when compared to a Nintendo direct. Plus, it's easier to build up hype at a E3 show. E3 is the big one, and I thought Nintendo's decision to skip a proper presentation was a questionable idea.
It's too late for Nintendo to change things, but they really needed a full presentation. Especially given how much Sony came out swinging.
@Caryslan Hopefully, the Nintendo Direct will be broadcast directly to the show floor so we can get the reaction shots. They don't need anyone on a stage but the video HAS to be broadcast directly (pun intended). However, you are very right that doing it on the big stage would have been much better.
@dumedum u forgot Zelda
Soft had a ton of games but sony destroyed it nintendo at this point with wi u can be a ok secondary system and it needs a serious price drop ps4 is retailing for 399 and its light years ahead of wi u nintendo is cheating people with its current prce move it down to like 199 for deluxe
TRUE next gen begins
If journalists cover it the way they should (EQUALLY) then it will get noticed because it's right there on the front page.
I'll give a slight nod to Sony for their customers friendly decisions in a world where breathing seems the only thing that's still free, but I can't say the same for most of their games and the way there made to appeal to the degenerates who called themselves hardcore gamers.
I am tired of seeing developers getting praised and rewarded for trying to emulate worst of our unstable society and pass it off as entertainment to these people who are too cowardly to commit the violence themselves.
I just want to take my mind off of our harsh reality and enter a surreal virtual world that's different and much less gruesome to our own, but this just makes me and some of you here, just stationery pebbles against a raging river which will make it harder to find and enjoy games.
When the day that Nintendo and others that make games like them gets swept away is the day that I die as a gamer. Otherwise I usually ignore the trends that people are into these day and see what the only sane videogame company in the world has to announce.
WaveBoy's posts are like always, the best.
There were some true next gen games in Microsoft and Sony's presentations but they got lost in the boring remakes and FPSs. For example, the Drivatar system in Forza sounds like the next step forward in racing games. There was very little innovation from Microsoft and Sony.
@Caryslan I figured it would be the case but I'm very sad that ill have to buy a ps4 to play kingdom hearts 3 lol
@WaveBoy Heh, I wish we lived in a world where Sega was still making consoles. I know some people will disagree with me, but Sega was one of the most innovative companies in the indsturdy during the 80's and 90's. I would even argue they often beat Nintendo in the regard that they would often put their name on games that were off the wall such as Seaman, Comix Zone, and countless other games.
Sega has that special place in gaming that not even Nintendo can match. They were the ones who often took bold chances, and innovated things such as 3-D fighters, Sega Channel, online play.
I wonder how different things would be if Sega had remained a major player.
I love the systems from the other companies, but there is something missing with Sega gone. And I think it was that lack of innovation that Sega brought to the table began to shape modern gaming.
And with them long gone, Nintendo is pretty much the only thing left of the old-guard.
Knock it off with the insults and profanity. Keep stirring the pot and see what happens — TBD
@Frapp So nintendo takes risks with games well acording to nitendo they are not focusing on new ips get real all those new ips by the big 2 seem more interesting that mario car 8 have a seat
@WaveBoy I see a gimped tablet with a resistant touch screen from the old robo cop movies gamers were pleading with sony when they thought it would do the tablet controller gimick
@Frapp Ps4 is all about the games its the system i thought wii u could be but nintendo has very bad managemet nintendo consoles have not had the games nore capability to dominate a living room since the n64
I know this is off-topic, but has anyone else been looping Final Hours from Majora's Mask, too? I've been looping it in my headphones for the past hour or so, not stopping until that clock strikes zero.
On-topic, after watching Sony's massive bombshell, I regret to admit defeat, before we've already started. A price point of $399 and no DRM restrictions, make the Wii U just unviable now. The PS4 is next-gen in hardware, which, I know the Wii U is too, but it has the un-budging support from third-parties, unlike the Wii U. Don't flag me as spam or anything, I've been solely Nintendo-only for decades, but the PS4 is looking more and more viable. I love my Wii U, but it may see it's fate as a secondary console, something which a Nintendo console has never been in my life. It's saddening and I hope it's not true. But it is.
Three hours until judgement Direct.
<bells ringing> Hat off if you get the reference.
Wii u is not even close to ps4 thats a bad comparsion wii u is like a low end pc from like 07 but slightly more efficient
Nintendo just needs to shave fifty bucks off the Wii U price at the end of the year to steal the show from Sony. Again economic recovery isn't happening right now; I find it very hard to believe a $400 PC you connect to your TV is going to move a lot of units at the end of the year whether it has "Playstation" written on it or not.
If Nintendo cannot take the top slot again this gen then I'd say it's only because of a collapse of the home console market.
PS4 is PS3 with a Facebook button.
Btw, isn't PS3 more powerful than PS4 because of the cell amazing technology?
It really don't matter what place they end up in this console race we made up, I already brought a Wii u and I expect great games from Nintendo.
@LDXD Umm..no they are not. The PS4 is a lot more powerful. Look up the specs man.
Anyway, I'm all for rooting for a console of your preference, but jeez some of you here can't give credit when credit is due. So do you mean to tell me that the Wii U doesn't have any flaws at all while Sony and Microsoft has one flaw after another?! Is there anyone here that isn't biased and can tell what's really on the minds of some of these angry Ninty fans?
@Royalblues Are you serious? The only way Sony can ever be superior strictly speaking is if it has the same games. And last time I checked, it doesn't have Mario, Mario Kart, Brawl or Zelda. Or Metroid. Or Pikmin. Or Fire Emblem. Etc etc. So that makes Sony different, not inferior, not superior, just different.
@Rafie the differences are far smaller than between the Wii and the PS3, and some Wii games simply looked fantastic. Once the resolution is the same, which it is now, there is no difference anymore.
@LDXD Of course we're not putting the specs up against a modern CPU. I'm just talking between the 2 consoles. There’s an 8-core AMD Jaguar/Kabini x86-64 CPU, a Radeon 7870-derived GPU with 18 compute units, and 8GB of unified GDDR5 RAM. The only standout feature here is the RAM, which provides both the CPU and GPU with 176GB/sec of unified (shared) memory. Which is pretty powerful for a console. The Wii U has 2gigs.
I'm not clowning the Wii U at all. I'm just telling you that it's really no where near as powerful as the PS4. The Wii U can't run *every*game the PS4 and Xbox One can because of the inferior hardware. That doesn't mean the games can't look as good. Oh and I'm still hurt over Killer Instinct right now. MS destroyed it. Completely.
@dumedum Yes the resolution is the same across all boards. However, (I really don't want to play the graphics card here) the graphics of the consoles will tell a different story. That is not saying the Wii U versions can't look as good as the rivals. There will be a difference when 3rd party devs are involved. Now as LDXD stated the 1st party titles can and probably will match the looks of the rivals because they are Nintendo and will use the specs to the fullest. I'm a big fan of Nintendo and I know that the console race is in Sony and Nintendo's court now. I win either way because I will have all of them. Just not the Xbox One right away.
@Mario500 - Trust me, nobody was more - WTF?!? - then when I got home at 8:45 and put on Spike and saw Dodgeball. I had checked the "guide" that morning and it said "9 - 11: Sony E3 Presentation". No way I would have posted what I did without seeing that in writing first.
@LDXD You're right. It's not that big of deal. In terms of what games wouldn't run as smooth on the Wii U...for now I don't see any. I won't name any Sony games or XBox games because they can fully capitalize on their home console. Just like Nintendo can. I was going to say games like Destiny, but that's coming to the PS3 and Xbox, so the Wii U should definitely be able to handle it.
@LDXD um no what drugs are u taking
@LDXD that cpu is a bottleneck
@WaveBoy A passive agressive coward
There is a difference between elitism and being right and knowing it u came out your mouth first
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