FEZ Creator Insists The Game Wouldn't Work On The 3DS

He thinks it doesn't work, eh? Well I will respond with the words of Jean Luc-Picard: "Make it so."

The settings would look wonderful in 3D. Oh well..

Well, it wasn't developed with stereoscopy in mind, so that isn't surprising. But it'd be nice to put it on the 3DS anyway. Ah well :S

Aw. I emailed him about this. He's got a point though. Still, I think it'd look pretty damn nice in 3D. Whatever. Just please port it to a Nintendo console already!

Can't blame him. It probably wouldn't sell anyway.

@Chrono_Cross You're right, 3DS owners don't appreciate crappy indie titles from people that think japanese games "suck".

Anyways...

No loss.

If you ask me, Phil Fish is a jerk-wad. Better off forgetting of his existence.

No real loss, but no one says a 3DS game must make use of the 3D effect. Fractured Soul doesn't, and none of the VC games do.

@Melkaticox

Point taken. Played Fez, wasn't that impressed by it. Last three great games I've played have been japanese, the last three overhyped pieces of crap I've played have been American.

A good handful of people turn off the 3D during gameplay anyways... and then of course you got Virutal Console which lack 3D all together.

3D or not a good game is a good game and putting it on more platforms expands your market and reach,

News like this doesn't make me try harder to reach the game it just makes me shrug and carry on with the same lack of interest I had before, lol

@Spark_Of_Spirit

I really hate this Nintendo fanboy mentality. Just because a game isn't coming to your platforms of choice it isn't good? I have seen this so many times on this site, even with really fantastic games, and when developers say they don't want to or can't develop a game for a Ninty platform, fanboys start spewing out hate. I'm personally very excited for Fez on PC, as I played it on my friend's Xbox and it was a really nice looking and unique platformer.

Too bad.

I would buy this, knowing the great reviews it got on XBLA, but I never got into buying it.
I see his point, because Fez is a rotating 3D world, suddenly turned 2D. I'd buy it on 3DS regardless whether it included 3D or not. Never stopped me from buying Nicalis' games.

@Zsxdflip I own a 360, but thanks for the generalization. Because no one could possibly think Fez is garbage, right?

Give me a break. Next time, try not jumping to conclusions.

Sorry, he's wrong. Fez probably would work, particularly when switching from orthographic to perspective. All our 2D-based games on 3DS are orthographic projection, but we "force" the 3D layering manually, by hand

@Melkaticox
You're the type of consumers that are to blame for the lack of support.

@SethNintendo
Nice logic. A $2 game barely surpasses an Android version and that dictactes that every port will sell tremendously.

@Zsxdflip "FEZ isn't coming to the 3ds? Ah the game sucks anyway Huhdurr"

In all seriousness just release it anyway 3d or not. Don't wanna disappoint the fans wishing for it on the 3ds.

@mariobro4 Naw, the game sucked before then.

Ignoring responses sure is easy.

@SethNintendo

My examples are the rest of the ports to the eShop that sold poorly. Fez would not be the exception.

I already own it on 360 anyway, doesn't bother me.

My heart... It's so sad to see people here hate this game just because of stuff Phil has said or it's not coming to the 3DS. This game is a beautiful, magical experience. I don't care about the creator's comments on the Japanese game market. And I love Japanese games. This game is amazing.

Putting a good game on the 3DS would never work.
I guess we can blame people for buy shovleware, over good games.

As much of a jerk as Phil might be, this game looks great, so I'll probably still get it when I pick up a new PC

@Chrono_Cross Especially after all the trouble it's had on Xbox 360 :/

game is great. And yeah, doesn't need 3d and would kind of kill the effect that is central to the game. If you play it you'll see that most of it wouldn't actually work in real 3d, that's how the mechanic works to trick you and make you think. Even 2d would be cool, though, on 3ds. Also the viewing angle is very wide so it could be frustrating on a small screen.

Questions to rhetorically ask:
1. Does, or has this dev made/make it clear that he likes Nintendoo, their platforms, their policies, etc.?
2. Does this dev have a history of snubbing Nintendo, &/or other co.s?
3. Does this dev legitimately mean what he says/feels what he says he feels? Remember, some devs would put their titles to Nintendo/MS/Sony's consoles, if it weren't for those co.s policies.

I imagine, w/o knowing anything about this dev, aside from his colorful words about WiiWare, which does have issues, I imagine he's (legitimately) got it in his head that there's something (whether there is in reality, or not, that) he doesn't want to (have to) deal w/ in regards to putting/getting the game on the 3ds eShop.

A true developer would have MADE it work on the 3DS! Seriously like legit you want as big of an audience as possible and the 3DS has a big audience. I'm learning about video game development in college right now and with Fez and its unique concept, it would definitely have a huge fanbase on the 3DS.

@Hyperstar96 No, by his logic, if any game that doesn't take full advantage of all the system's advantages in the best way possible, it automatically is a terrible game. He must HATE the NSMB series.

If it came to the 3DS I'd get it, 3D or not.

So, basically he's saying "It's always shown in 3D, so it wouldn't work with 3D." Maybe I'm misunderstanding him but that sounds like he's contradicting himself. By the looks of it, this game would be a perfect fit for 3DS. I could care less, though, Phil Fish is an a**hole and I don't support a**hole's games, so I wouldn't buy it anyway.

Eh, I wouldn't really want it on the 3DS anyway. I've been stalling on buying it for my 360, so if it doesn't come to the Wii U, then I'll just go ahead and buy it on the XBLA.

I think I can see why he thinks it would be "pointless for the game to be on 3DS. As far as I know (haven't played it yet, waiting for the PC port), Fez's main aspect is puzzles that rely on the fact that you can only see the 3D world on a 2D plane, one side at a time. The 3D effect would ruin these puzzles, because it would show things not your way to be pushed back when in 2D it would look like it was in your way. That would ruin the game. And if he released it on 3DS in 2D, there would doubtless be quite a few complainers.

Also, just because the game is "indie" and not made by Nintendo doesn't mean you should hate it. I heard XBLA Indie was horrible, but most indie games on Steam are fantastic. And hating a game because it's not by your favorite company and it's not an exclusive is a very narrow minded way to think, and it doesn't make you any better than the Ninty haters out there.

Who here didn't like the game because it wasn't made by Nintendo? I'm wondering why this keeps coming up.

@Chrono_Cross And this will sell well on the Vita? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight :3

just port it with no 3D

where is the damn problem?

@LordLzGlad
I never said that.

Thank you for your bluntness, Phil Fish.

He does have a point. The whole point is that you can't see how platforms stack up without using the 3D flip feature.

Would want to see it on WiiU eshop, despite his comments on WiiWare. I mean it was abysmal

The point is he's logic doesn't really make sense. Who cares if its 3d or not. The game looks simple enough that it will run on the hardware. If its priced right and rates good it should sell!

@Swiket yes

I can't really comment on the matter since this is the first time I heard of this game.

On a side note since there's no plan of a 3ds version, what about a wii u version. I apologize for my cluelessness, I don't keep track of indie games too often.

@SethNintendo IKR

@Dpishere Yeah I have it too so I really don't need it on 3DS. I will say that the frame rate problems at times were pretty horrible.

@SethNintendo

You obviously don't understand Phil Fish. He's not money hungry with his eyes open to every opportunity there is. It took him (a one man band/developer), nearly half a decade to develop Fez and it was a bumpy ride for him. It was difficult for him to develop an innovative game all by himself on a difficult platform.

Yet you, a consumer who thinks game developing is all sunshine and rainbows, demands a "real" answer to why Fez won't release on your beloved toy. Maybe Phil doesn't want to do that since he already achieved his goal of releasing Fez with successful ratings and sales. Maybe, just maybe, he's sick of death threats and didn't want to anger the community any more with the blatant truth.

It's not announced for the Vita, though, that's no reason to get upset. It's his time, resources and, most importantly, his game.

@Chrono_Cross you should be friends with Fish... You seem like you'd understand the deep issues of his life.
"...half a decade." Hahaha!

Fish is probably just tired of Fez.

Hey if he hates Nintendo and thats his reason, that is fine. I'd rather he just come out and say it, but that's a bad business decision. Fact is he clearly does not want to make it for Nintendo, end of story. I know if I made an amazing game, I would never develop it for any Sony or IOS system because I detest them. That would be my choice, this is his choice so it's nothing to get upset over.

Wow. I'm very interested in Fez and believe the "pointless" comment is shortsighted, but what is with all the nastiness here?

"it would be kind of pointless" doesn't sound like "insisting" to me. Play the game people, it really doesn't need and shouldn't be in actual 3d. theres no reason to port it because it's not that easy to do. he's got a good deal elsewhere; why should he be obligated to put it on YOUR game machine? It doesn't make him evil incarnate. Grow up, guys.

Fish is such a perfectionist, it would take him another five years just to do a direct port over to the 3DS.

If it makes you guys a bit better, his view of developing for XBLA seems to be grim and not too well

I would love to see this on 3DS!

That's a shame. And the excuse he gave is a poor one, as people have already pointed out. I wish developers would just be honest and upfront about their decisions.

@Chrono_Cross Uh, he just said it was coming for the Vita...

Phil Fish never expressed his "concerns" with Japanese game development. He said "your games are ... terrible." Kind of big difference there.

Seems like he has plenty of time and energy to port his game to a decent amount of platforms. I suspect he just has a grudge against Nintendo for some reason. All WiiWare issues have been fixed and Nintendo doesn't even charge for patching (which can be a big fee for each patch on other systems). I just don't see a legit reason to ignore Wii U and 3DS eshops while porting it to Steam, Mac, even a Linux and OUYA port...
You seem to like to stick up for someone that doesn't have a legitimate excuse.

There's not a market for his game. Even if the install base is decent, he's not going to support a service that barely anyone acknowledges and a service that's backed up with outdated hardware.

The community that wanys Fez more than any other is the Sony fanbase.

you should be friends with Fish... You seem like you'd understand the deep issues of his life. "...half a decade." Hahaha! Fish is probably just tired of Fez.

I watched that indy developer movie with him in it. Very interesting. So I sort get a jiff of what he went through. And I believe he's tired of Fez but who knows, lol.

Uh, he just said it was coming for the Vita...

Probably because it's coming out on PSN. Cross-play sounds like a fantastic exclusive feature to have.

Phil Fish never expressed his "concerns" with Japanese game development. He said "your games are ****ing terrible." Kind of big difference there.

He has every right to brag. No need to get all offended.

i'd honestly agree with him, but he acts like more than a few 3DS games have worthwhile use of 3D anyway...

@Chrono_Cross Hey, he deserves it. I support as many indie titles as I can, I even support full priced games (in other words, I don't buy used games) to help the industry, but that donkey doesn't deserve my support. As simple as that.

@Melkaticox

Did he burn down your house and/or hurt your family? I'm pretty sure if Jon Tron did whatever Phil did, you'd accept that.

I don't see why everyone is mad, Phil never said no, he said; "I don't think it would work", that doesn't mean there isn't a chance for the game to be made on the 3DS.
Not that you guys really care, most of you are mad because it sounded like a insult to your gimmicky handheld console.

I never planned on playing Fez anyway, so no skin off my nose!

To be fair Fez is a crap game.

But really, I can't imagine how anyone here is even close to being able to judge better than Fish whether HIS game will work on 3DS or not.

2012's Game of the Year for me. Amazing game. The people calling it a crappy indie game that they didn't want anyway is the exact reason I get annoyed but this comments section. It's such a childish reaction. I understand that not everyone will like it, but you don't win that many GOTY awards if your game is 'crappy'.

And I don't get how anyone could call him a lazy developer either. He's a perfectionist and it shows in his game, and now he's going to be porting it to several platforms. How is that lazy?

@Peach64 Not to mention the reception he's been receiving over the last couple years, lol.

I agree with your opinion, though. One of the best games out there.

The point of the whole game is shifting through a 3D world on a 2D plain. The 3D view is never static, and the gameplay is always presented in 2D, so basically you are taking away the point of the game by giving the 3D world 3D depth when it's resting on the 2D plain.

I dont really use the 3d anyway.... So he's making it for wiiu then . I thought this game was an awesome concept, its funny how the guy being such a prick put me offol of it!

I don't like FEZ. I really don't, it's really not that good, in my opinion. Not to mention after seeing what he said I felt kinda bad for giving the arsehole money. There are many other indie games I'd much rather spend my money on (The 360 port of Terraria, if they don't screw up controls wise, will be an example of this, as it's already fantasic on PC)

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I would rather see a game like FEZ on the Wii U than the 3DS anyhow.

Meh.

And there goes another developer thinking every 3DS game MUST be 3D.

I mean, is it really that hard to put a "2D mode only" note on the box/eShop page?

@Chrono_Cross

are you PHIL FISH?

Funny how Indie devs think they're suddenly so "big" that they can make such claims. Do all games on the 3DS have 3D support? NO!

How idiotic. That's like saying you need to use motion controls on a Wii or the Six Axis on a PS3 game. Oh well, less money for him I guess.

Really disappointed to hear that "fez should eventually be out on pretty much everything" (quote from Phil Fish) followed up with news that 3DS isn't even being considered.

Last I heard, Nintendo had clearly stated that 3DS games don't need to make use of the 3D effect. Some games already out on the eShop don't. So if that's really the only reason/excuse holding the game back then maybe the developer will reconsider? Or maybe he's not interested in the platform due to the usual anti-Nintendo bias.

Also lame to hear people - most who haven't even tried the game - blindly bashing the game and developer. Having more games on 3DS would be a good thing, especially when that means award-winning games that are available on virtually every other gaming platform.

How about fez on the wii u then?

yeah, the point of fez is that when you turn perspectives it makes everything platformable on a flat surface. if things were popping out in 3d, that wouldn't work... although who says you NEED 3d effects on a 3dsware game?
also, Fez is REALLY HARD, I mean, puzzles involving binary conversion to ascii, rotating letters written in code to spell something not found in the game itself, scanning a qr code that can't be scanned using the 3ds scanner because its too purple. it's really fun, but REALLY hard

It doesn't even need to be in 3D. The game is what we want, not the effect.

Love this game, hate this guy.
Honestly, I could care less as I'm already planning to buy the PC version, but a 3DS version would be nice. I can see his point though.

What about Wii U then

I love all these developers who make one or two good games and are now experts on all matters of game development. Not referring to this game coming to 3ds or not, just his other loudly-voiced opinions. Make a few more games that are successful and I'll start listening. Ironically the best developers don't usually comment on the industry, so the void is filled by one or two hit wonders with something to prove.

I can understand it. IIRC, the point of the world is that it's in 2D except when you shift the world to the right and left to the next 2D plane. So when would you use the 3D that often?

who really cares... the 3D effect doesn't work well on most 3DS games anyway (not the systems fault it's the developers), I usually play with 3D turned off.

The first time I've heard of him (only started keeping up with news recently) and I dislike Phil Fish already. He's certainly not endearing himself to the Nintendo fanbase with his opinions. The whole "Japanese games suck!" thing makes me facepalm, considering a whole bunch of good games that I've played in the last few years have been of Japanese origin.
On the other hand, Fez looks lovely. Not every game HAS to use 3D, so if he reconsiders, I might just buy it (as much as I dislike the idea of supporting this guy). If not, PC it is.

@LordessMeep If you buy the PC version, you're still supporting him.

Word from the wise (IE someone whose played this game) this is not a great game and certainly not one to get excited for, the platforming was really poor and slightly floaty in a very dissatisfying way also the game was just boring, trust me guys you aren't missing much just replay Mario you'll have more fun i guarantee you.

@manic221 It's more of a puzzle game than a platformer. If you go in expecting Mario, you'll be disappointed. If you go in expecting mindbending puzzles, you'll have a blast. The puzzles are really creative and thought out, and the world is interesting and fun to explore. I certainly enjoyed it more than any other Puzzle-Platformer I'd played before.

@Everyone who thinks this should be on the 3DS without using the 3D:

How do you know Nintendo doesn't require 3D to count as 3DSWare? And Do you really think people would want that? "The selling point is that you can see games in 3D, yet here's a game that blantantly doesn't make use of that feature" <- does that really sound like a good idea, and not false advertisement? And, if you're a developer, what would be the point of going through all the effort porting the game to a completely different system, that uses completely different code and provides all kinds of new challenges, when you're not gonna use its main features?

Honestly, all of that sounds like bull$#!+ to me.

Bummer! I liked Indie game the movie and he was going through the pains of making Fez. If you guys get a Chance Checkout Indie Game the Movie on Netflix

Crap. So the 3DS is all about 3D again...how about you just port the game over because you want the GAME on the 3DS, not just because it wouldn't work in "3D". UGH!

One of the best games on xbox, a portable version would be ideal. I still ain't getting no Vita.

I would like to see Fez in 3d on 3DS but.... and a great big but.....if it doesn't work right in 3D by all means do it in 2d the game still looks great and would be a welcome game to the 3DS Eshop whether it's in 2d or 3d. My personal Pref is 3D but what can ya do?

@CanisWolfred I totally agree. I've been a major complainer in the past that the system is a Playstation 2 powered unit capable of producing 3d images and should be treated as such from Devs and actually gamers. I like classic games just as much as the next guy but really I would like to see the classics if brought to the system get the 3D treatment such as Kid Icarus 3d got.

@SethNintendo ok a gamecube powered machine with 3d capabilities haha. Just as good

Seriously, Nintendo themselves have mentioned that the 3D is not an VITAL feature. Quite the contrary, if developers stopped using it, they could make better looking games.

There are several 3DS games that don't use 3D and just because the name of the console is "3DS" it doesn't mean you'll be making false advertisement. That's what disclaimers are for.

Now back to Fez! Fez-Man look you can put it on the 3DS and call it DSiWare, EshopWare, 3DS-Ware, UnderWare Or whatever you need to call it. 3d or no 3d people will buy it. Ok I'm being goofy

This guy just has a hard-on against Nintendo. Sorry dude, there is absolutely nothing about this game that couldn't be done on the 3DS. If it can be done on XBLA, it absolutely can be done on 3DS just purely from a technical perspective. If you don't want to go all out on 3D perspectives just make the different planes of the foreground and background be the 3D separators.

Now, whether you don't like dealing with Nintendo is another story. I definitely have no desire to play this game. I personally am getting sick of these indie games and sub-par graphics concepts. But that doesn't keep me from saying it couldn't be done on 3DS though. Get over yourself. You're still an indie and your game isn't THAT good.

@Chrono_Cross #65 Who said I was "all offended"? The article had misinformation, I was correcting it. "Expressing concerns" implies some degree of constructive criticism. Making blanket statements like "Japanese games are all terrible" tells no one anything about what is supposedly, actually wrong with them.

why does it even have to be in 3D? look at the VC on 3DS not all the classic games are in 3D. Excite Bike = 3D, Punchout = no 3D... FEZ on 3DS = not pointless!
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@spamineggs It doesn't have to be in 3d. Fez would be a pretty good seller in the Eshop 3d or not. Some people like myself prefer it would be 3d and some people prefer not. I dont think it would really matter with the popularity of the game already. people would buy either way

Developers like this one should grow up, get off their lazy arses and get programming if they want to last in this industry. How pathetic. Isnt this the same guy who said all Japanese devs are no good? What a twit.

It always amazes me what was done with the Game Boy,Game Boy Color, and Game Boy Advance.

Now hack developers will not even try to make a compact version of their games.
Especially with that T-Tex prototype out.

Well, bring it to Wii u then!

@tyrone The whole point of Fez is that the world is 2D. Even when it's rotating in '3D' it's isometric with no depth. To force some 3D into it would destroy the entire design aesthetic of the game.

@Henmii You do know that Polytron consist of just two guys don't you? They're porting Fez to Stream now, and I dare say a PS3 version might come at some point. They obviously have very limited funds and development capacity, so will target the largest platforms they can. You can bet an iOS version is far, far more likely than Wii U or 3DS.