Nintendo Download: Dr. Mario, Wonder Boy, More Magic Tricks and Crystal Defenders (US)

Well at least DSi and Wiiware is not too bad. But why is Wonder Boy III released as a single VC release?

We still need the NES Dr. Mario. ;-;

There's no way they're going to release that - Why put that up when the Wii Shop already has a Dr. Mario game, with the same features (And more) for 1000 points?

I could see them releasing Dr. Mario 64 though, because it has some stuff not in any other version (Such as a story mode).

This is import week, but where's Rondo of Blood and Ginga Fukei Densetsu Sapphire from TG16? Looks like it's time to blow the rest of my free points on Dr. Mario Express.

DR. MARIO EXACTLY WHAT I ASKED FOR!!! LET'S GO, DSI POINTS!! TO THE GREAT SHOP IN THE SKY!!!

I doubt even the 64 one will come out. It would still compete against the WiiWare game. Maybe later on if the WW version ever starts to fall low in sales.

What a disappointing update. Crystal Defenders looks awful. What's weird though is, despite not being a DSi owner and not being at all expectant of a Dr. Mario release, I woke up with its theme music in my head. Hopefully next week I'll wake up humming the Zelda theme.

I'm really interested in Crystal Defenders R1, but what features were removed in the WiiWare version?

It's pretty sad that the Iphone could handle the complete Crystal Defenders and apparently things have to be dropped for the Wii AND it have to be split up. What is wrong with this picture?

Is the only difference between Dr. Mario Express and Dr. Mario RX the lack of online play? Is it any good without other people?

@ stratocastx: The WiiWare version is missing about 3 or 4 character classes and I believe some of the levels.

about time crystal defenders came out. . .

Where're the Arcade & C64 games at?

Just what is taking Ninty so long to put games out for either of those systems on the VC?

Hopefully, this is the last Wonder Boy game release for a couple months at least in North America.

This is not the last Wonder Boy game making it to the VC for North America.

The following Wonder Boys the vc didn't get yet on the following vc systems or vc arcade:

Wonder Boy 3: Dragon's Trap- Sms
Wonder Boy In Monster World -Sms Version (may not get since it was not release in Japan back in the day)

Wonder Boy - Arcade version & C64 Version (may or may not get released)

Wonder Boy - Monster Land - Arcade &c64 version (may or may not get released)

Wonder Boy III - Monster Lair - Arcade version (may or may not get)

Monster World IV - Genesis (may not get release in North America, since the game needs to be translated)

You know I was excited when I found out we were getting this today, not some other popup pirate type crap, but Xboxs "enhanced" version in six dollars cheaper! What the heck is up with that?

Bleah

Well hopefully Super Smash Bros. comes out next week.

"There's no way they're going to release that - Why put that up when the Wii Shop already has a Dr. Mario game, with the same features (And more) for 1000 points?"

You could say the same thing about Wonderboy III:ML, but look what happened. Anyway terrible VC update today, just more repeats of games already availible. Nintendo is so focused on the other services the VC is just slipping to the side. Glad I have some other games to keep me busy right now.

@11: Won't all that be in Crystal Defenders R2?

Crystal Defenders is too big? I thought SE's excuse was that they consider R1 a better introduction to the game and don't want to overwhelm the player right away with the larger selection of stuff in R3. Which is just as bull. If they can fit all that stuff into the final part they can make the system disable it when you select one of the earlier parts.

Shame Dr Mario has no multiplayer.

Oh well, I'm crap at it anyway XD

So does Dr. Mario include the "Virus Buster" style mode with touchscreen controls, or only classic modes?

Either way, I'll probably get it; it's worth having Dr. Mario a click away on my DSi menu at all times for just $5. I wish they'd opted for the book-style (holding the DSi sideways) instead, though -- that works so well for puzzle games with a vertical play area, and where you face a CPU on the opposite screen (I'm mainly talking about Planet Puzzle League, easily the best puzzle game on the DS period).

"I doubt even the 64 one will come out. It would still compete against the WiiWare game."

They'd both be 1000 points, so at the same price they won't be losing a thing. Heck, I'd buy the N64 version even though I already have the WiiWare version.

@Drake: How disappointing. Is it possible those things were removed because they will be added in R2? Is R1 the same otherwise, or has the content being changed for the WW version? I've read on some sites that since this is titled R1, the content might be specific to the WW version. Or is it really just a downgraded port split into two games?

Sigh... so confusing... and I was really looking forward to this one because I won't have a 360/PS3 for quite a long time =/

I would still purchase the NES version of Dr. Mario. It may lack the features but I would download it for its nostalgic charm.

I can live with two new DSiWare games a week.. nice to see Dr. Mario.

800 Points for an inferior version of Crystal Defenders is still too much. As much as I love Final Fantasy and SE, I'll pass.

Majora's Mask.:
Looks like Majora's Mask will be the 300th game. It's no big deal for me,since I'm just now beginning to like the Zelda series. I haven't even beaten Ocarina of Time yet! I'm at the entrance to the Water Temple.

Super Smash Bros:
The NA ten year anniversary of SSB is coming up. So,they will probobly release this next week. If they don't,I will be mad.

Crystal Defenders R1:
Looks intresting. I might get this if nothing good comes out next week.

Wonder Boy III Monster Lair:
What!? They actually released this when they release the superior Turbographx 16 version [which I have]!? Looks like Nintendo has sinked to a new low.

I have 2000 points and I'm think about saving them for next week,just in case SSB comes out.

Don't you mean 10 year anniversary SuperSonic?

Of all the Master System games, lets release the one that has been on the TG16 for years Oh well, I guess late adopters can save a dollar!

I doubt even the 64 one will come out. It would still compete against the WiiWare game. Maybe later on if the WW version ever starts to fall low in sales.
Dr. Mario 64 does have a 4 player Vs mode (not the only Dr.Mario game to have it as the port of it seen in Nintendo Puzzle collection also has it) plus the Wiiware verison would still have online and the Virus buster mode (or whatever its called).

I do remember the graphics emulation of the game being a bit of an obsticle back in the day (about 5 or so years ago), you just couldn't see the blocks falling. I cannot say if that is a hurdle Nintendo would have to jump through...

Oops,sorry my bad. I edited it,so it's right now.

When do more (good) DSiWare games will come to Europe?
US: 5th April, 13th April and now 20th April (every week)
EU: 3rd April and 17th April (two weeks)
what the..?!?

Thats all wrong,wonderboy 3 in this country was released on the sega master system and was called the dragon's trap and the tg-16 version was calles the dragons curse which i know cause i have the sega master cart and the turbo hucard! wonderboy 4 was monster lair and was released for the tg-16 cd and the sega cd here in the us. I will school anyone on wonderboy history.

You're both wrong and right, both Monster Lair and The Dragon's Trap are called Wonder Boy III even though they're different games. The US never got Wonder Boy III: Monster Lair on the Genesis.

YEAH! Crystal Defenders! I was expecting Fish 'em all or Bubble bobble Plus but this is great, especially since it's 800 Points, not 1,000. Too bad I don't have any points. Dr. Mario is a great addition also and for a reasonable price too!

Looking forward to checking out Crystal Defenders. I'll never own an 360, so I could care less about that particular version. Though if I like the WiiWare ones enough, I may purchase the game on PSN whenever I get around to buying a PS3. But, the WW versions will have to suffice for now; I'm willing to sacrifice a few bells and whistles for what is essentially the same game.

Demmit, why does Nintendo keep giving us crappy virtual console games? Where's Super Mario Kart? Super Tennis? Mario Tennis? Yoshi's Island? Majora's Mask? Smash Bros? Donkey Kong 64? Excite Bike 64? Contra? Final Fantasy? The list of great games goes on forever, but they manage to pick the worst of the crop (No offense to Wonderboy fans, I love MonsterWorld for the MD) and hand-feed it to their users one at a time.

Wow this is lazy writing. Shoving all the games together so you only have to write one article? Wow. Would it really have been that hard to separate the games? (This site/These sites are going downhill faster than Sonic.)

@Ian

You do realize that this is just the initial announcement, and they'll soon enough follow up with full reviews of each new title separately as they always do, right? Not exactly evidence that this site are [sic] going downhill. Also, Wonder Boy already has its full review online, but you have to make the effort to click on the game's title in the article above to see it.

Excite Bike 64 would've made sense as a related timed release with Excitebots, but it was unlikely due to being an N64 game, especially if we do get the two OTHER highly anticipated N64 games sometime soon.

Now that Crystal Defenders has hit WiiWare, will it FINALLY come to the American PSN? I think Microsoft may have paid for yet another temporary exclusive in the region, because I know for a fact that the PSN version released in Japan a month ago when the Live Arcade version hit here. I want this game on PSN!

VC=mega fail, imo. I think everybody hear needs to contact Nintendo with a full comparison list of NA's Shop Channel release and Japan's this week, asking what the heck's going on already! Two games here versus six there is just plain WRONG!

I can't fathom why the VC Arcade is getting zero support. Any company holding the license to a decent early arcade title could easily score a good bit of capital with minimal effort, even if the game has already been featured on various compilations. It seems as if it would be easy for Nintendo to broker enough deals to get us at least a handful of good arcade titles each week and still never risk running out of old classics to port, so I don't really get what could be holding it up.

I'll download Crystal Defenders. I love that sort of game just before I head to sleep for the night. Otherwise I see nothing here of interest.

this is a wii disappoint week

Horrible week for VC fans but I was expecting that much considering what will no doubt be hitting next week...

@Ian: I think this is significantly better than having to read 3 different posts announcing these games. I have no idea why anyone would want this info split up into a bunch of smaller posts.

Stuffgamer 1 - ...Just plain wrong!

exactly. I think think it really sucks butt. Really makes you think thete's favoritism going on.
I wonder if anyone from this sight could interview them and ask why they do this and what's going on with the C64, Arcade, and why it there are so few N64 games out?

@Rapadash6 - What's possibly coming out next week?

Crap! A turbo grafx Import but not Rondo of blood. What a tease. I've been hoping for it since day one but they'd rather give us this overpriced garbage. (Shakes fist)

A truly horrible week for VC. The game completely sucks and they give us the game again, just on another system.

@longtimegamer "I wonder if anyone from this sight could interview them and ask why they do this and what's going on with the C64, Arcade, and why it there are so few N64 games out?"

Cue in "You just have to wait and see" Reggie snippet. (cries)

Honestly, yes, publications NEED to bother NoA.

LongTimeGamer:
I don't have a clue why we haven't been getting C64 and Arcade games. But as for the N64 there are a lot of liscening issues with many games and they can be hard to emulate at times. Liscening issues are mainly with Rare where they made a ton of N64 games, most of the good ones, such as Goldeneye, Banjo-Kazooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, and countless others and worked on classics like DK64. Controller Pack issue is a bitch to add to all of that and for the final kick in the nuts by Nintendio, they are too lazy to release N64 games.

Also 3rd party games for the N64 were made by many companies that have yet to choose if they will support the VC yet such as LucasArts and Nevesoft. Activsion has just joined the VC, so some of their games should be coming at some point. Yes I know that the controller pack does work in Crusin USA. But I'm pretty sure that it is not truly fixed. They may also be trying to find a way to use Rumble in games due to how many games used the Rumble Pack for the N64. There are a lot of issues that keep N64 games from coming to the VC and I've only covered a few of them, but Nintendo is just being a Lazy Ass about some of their games.

I hope EU gets dr mario on friday, i'll be using my free nintendo points on that for sure

"For the final kick in the (Beep)" LOL!!

@SonicKnuckles8 - I'll probably get this(CD), but I'm annoyed that both together cost more than the Xbox version. I hope they have a good reason, other than greed. Also, I'd like to know if we're really missing things in the 2 combined that were in the Xbox version. I hope not, especially since they have the gall to charge us 6 dollars more.

@Link79

Few things would make this Castlevania fan as happy as a Rondo of Blood release for the VC. I'd put that game alongside Dracula's Curse and Symphony of the Night as one of the top 3 entires in the series. Also, since my only option a few years ago was to play it on a less-than-perfect emulator, I'm dying to play through it again properly.

What a terrible week AGAIN, we should boycott until we get better and more games each week.

@Supermarioman

That's true. But,that's no excuse for Nintendo to delay releasing SSB and Majora's Mask.

I'm definitely going to pick up Dr.Mario. The loss of multiplayer is not such a big deal to me, seeing how I almost never touch those modes in Dr Mario on my Wii.

I hope Europe gets a DSiWare update this week ; )

I hope they come up with something that makes me want to keep my DSi, and soon. A VC for the DSi might help, but then I guess I'd still be waiting months after that before there's anything I want. When is the VC suppose to come out in Japan? I hope we don't have to wait too long.

@Crunc

The future existence of a VC for the DSi has still not been officially confirmed as far as I know. Or does someone have a link to some sort of official confirmation for any region?

Yes, it's yet another update with two DSiWare games!
As if getting Crystal Defenders wasn't enough for you guys. sigh

Despite dr. Mario not having multiplayer I'm still getting it. VC wise they need to stop screwing around and give us more Vc games per week. If you're gonna support a service with multiple systems on show us you do and go back to 2 or 3 VC game weeks.

@Supermarioman/#50

I agree. It's not like all their N64 games are sitting somewhere digitally, waiting to be plucked for the VC. I imagine they have to go through a rigourous process to make them downloadable, as well as all the testing etc. I think this is why the N64 games we've had so far are the earlier ones, and why Majora's Mask was the GameCube version and not the original N64 version. It's cheaper, faster and easier to port a NES game I guess. It's a shame because as many have said there are some great N64 games we'd all download... surely Nintendo would make a better return on, say, Pilotwings 64 than they would Wonder Boy XII: The Monsterous Dragon's Lair In the Land of Monster World VI.

I'm going right now to buy a 2000 Nintendo Points card xD
to get mario.

It's hard to imagine that a cell phone can handle a game better than a home console. I never thought that day would come so soon. I think I might invest in an iphone rather than a dsi or psp at this point. As for the update, I'm not surprised it sucks!

@SilentJ

This is a bit off-topic, but while it is true that the iPhone / iPod touch has a more powerful processor and can handle more complex graphics, it still can't compete in terms of controls if you ask me. I'm not even just talking about the lack of buttons; even for my favorite touchscreen-based games, I'd hate to have to play them on the iPhone due to the finger-based controls. Using a stylus is so much quicker and gives considerably greater accuracy (which is why the iPhone has to include smart vocabulary-technology in order for its keyboard to even function, for it needs to anticipate which onscreen key you mean to press when your larger finger necessarily overlaps with several).

Take a favorite puzzle game of mine, which might seem at first like a great iPhone candidate, since it is all touch-based -- Planet Puzzle League. In order to compete in that game, you have to be lightning fast and accurate moving around the play area, and I can't imagine how badly finger-controls would slow you down.

The great abundance of clever iPhone apps is an interesting development and a new arena for some simple gaming, but I just can't see ever preferring to use one of those to play a game over the DS with its stylus, buttons, and dual displays. Maybe that's just me, but I forsee Nintendo continuing its longstanding handheld domination; it certainly does need to take these new challenges seriously, though, and getting more games on DSiWare will be crucial.

Did anyone else decide to give Dr. Mario Express a go?

I downloaded the game earlier today, and I'm really disappointed with the final product. It feels like a stripped down version of the WiiWare version. It lacks online and multiplayer modes, and the single player mode isn't very engaging. Yes, I realize that the game is only $5, but still, you're not getting a very good bargain here.

Where is majoras mask. It's the only Zelda game I haven't played.

@ SuperSonic1990:

Get ready to scratch your head in that Water Temple man. Lol. I just did the one in Majoras Mask last night. Whew what a trial.

Shame Dr Mario Express won't come to the EU for a while. Its not on our "list".

@professorlayton - they made it pretty clear on the press release and on the detail page in the shop channel that there's no online/multiplayer.

@ ReZon -

I was already aware of that. I was just stating the problems I had with the game.

since cave story wasn't released today, this means it'll be released one of the next two mondays, huzzah!

anyways, still waiting for yoshi's island snes and umm... yeah that's the only other one

@supbilly: "I think this is why the N64 games we've had so far are the earlier ones"

What? Paper Mario isn't exactly an "early" N64 release, y'know. Neither is Pokemon Puzzle League, for that matter (both were released in the 2000's, with a combo of 2000 and 2001 depending on region).

And why do you say Majora is the flawed Gamecube port? From all signs on DEIVION212's Youtube review, it isn't. At least he hasn't run into any problems with the game, and the on-screen button colors match the N64 version.

I got Dr. Mario Express, and since I saved my 1000 free points for it, it is a bargain. Of course online and multiplayer options would have been really nice, I think that for free it is a quality download. Even with the multiplayer and online options, I would just play single player most of the time anyway.

Anyone know how many levels CG has?

Damn you Dr.Mario, I just got it after going to buy the Nintendo Points and now I know why I hated it so much.
Can't past level 6 xD

Well anothe week and still nothing for me ; these updates are getting boring, especially the VC; who, in their sane mind, would buy Wonder Boy III, if you can buy the superior TG-16 Monster Lair for 100 points less?
Cristal Defenders seems ok but, is not my cup of tea; and I already have like 3 Dr. Mario versions so, again, no reason to feel bad about not having a 350 dollars Dsi .

@Twilight Crow: I guess I missed it when you explained (which I assume you must have at some point) why the DSi is $350. The only prices I know for the thing are $170 American and $200 Canadian. Are you converting a different currency or something?

This is getting annoying. I want more Art Style games. And Earthbound. Charge a premium for Earthbound, I don't care.

@Stuffgamer
Yep, I'm converting pesos to dollars, here in Mexico new videogames usually cost like twice it's cost on USA, the Dsi is around 4000 pesos, the dollar it's been fluctuating too much from 11 pesos to 14 so I just rounded the conversion a little , but yes it costs something like that. I put the price every time because I'm really mad at it, it's a rip off, and I can't afford it right now.

@Twilight Crow: Yow, that sucks! Doesn't seem fair that the US has the best gaming prices outside of Japan, does it? And I'm not bragging, either, I'm pretty mad about that situation, too! I find it VERY hard to believe that there's a good reason for it to cost that much down there.

On a different note, I just sent the e-mail I described in post #39, and request everybody else does, too. Sure, it may not help much, but I think it's better to try so at least we can say we've done what we could about the situation!

@Stuffgamer
Thanks for the support, it's all about taxes you know, nothing anyone can do .
Where exactly did you send that mail?, it sounds like a good idea.

Customer service e-mail from Nintendo.com. There's probably a better address to try out there somewhere, but I don't know for sure. Better than nothing, right?

@Supbilly: You couldn't be further from the truth, if anything, it's all the N64 games released in the middle that we're missing. And it's not the flawed Gamecube port of Majora's Mask, just look at the N64 buttons on the game to easily identify that.

@Stuffgamer
Yeah, I had no problem with the one VC game per week, but seeing how Japan gets an gets games it's just plain unfair, we pay with our money just like them.

How many VC games are there I don't have the time to count unfortunately.

I wonder which people are the ones that keep clammoring for all of these Wonder Boy games?

......like a kid who can't get what he wants...."I HATE YOU NINTENDO"

But I love you still.

On the issue of the Majora's Mask port, I've read several accounts from players who have already completed it, and all with zero freezing. Here's a good overview from someone who has finished the main game and all side quests:
http://touriantourist.blogspot.com/2009/04/saved-world-again.html

So, it is not the GC version.

I already have Dr. Mario for the GBA via the Classic NES Series. The lack of GBA backward compatibility is the main reason why I'm never buying a DSi.

Ugh, what a crap week! Why do I even bother checking the WiiShop on Mondays? We are getting ripped-off on Crystal Defenders too! Why spend 800 points on HALF of the game when you can get the FULL game for $10 on XBLA?! Unless you don't have a Xbox 360, then I'm really sorry. Dr. Mario Express just looks like a watered-down port of the original and we deserve better than that! I'll just pretend Master of Illusion never came out but Wonder Boy III?! Yuck!

Is DSi region free?

Boo! VC Releases have been hella lame all month. I wanna see something good soon.

@MrPoo I totally agree.

As for Crystal Defenders, looks like Luxor with FF characters. $10? no thanks.

For the first time in a long time I downloaded both titles that were added to the shop channel, Crystal Defenders is pretty cool, it's easy to get into, and I'm a little bit into the Wonder Boy series of games, the graphics look ok for a Genesis game, but still your better off with the TGCD one.

I don't exactly understand Nintendo's methodology. I understand why they're waiting for Majora's Mask to be the 300th download, but it doesn't make sense that they're giving us crap for the VC. If anything, it's turning gamers away from the VC (casual and hardcore) and just cutting the amount of profit that they're going to recieve for Majora's Mask (since no one will be checking the shop channel, therefore not realizing that MM comes out.)

Other than VC, it was an ok week for everyone else. Although I loathe the fact that we recieve one game a week again, Crystal Defenders does look fairly good (even though it will cost $16 in the end.) Dr. Mario is always a good game (I believe it's still on the Wii Top 20), and hopefully the DSi gets two games a week (at least) in the future.

One last thought- How are we so convinced that MM is the 300th VC game? For all we know it could be Wonder Boy 4 (if there is one.) Is there an article to relieve my suspicious nerves? Otherwise I'm just going to think that this VC is going to be given crap next week (or whenever the game is going to be released.)

Just judging from what everyone is saying about today's releases... you have to STOP COMPLAINING PEOPLE!!!!!! SEESH!!!!

I think today's releases are just okay
Other than I've hated the VC releases all this month!
I've stopped caring about crappy VC releases all since 2009 started!!

The only things good we got so far the year are: Kirby's Dream Land 3, Castlevania 3, Sonic Chaos, & Super Punch-Out... judging if you're a fan of all of these awesome games, (which I'm glad they are the only games I got for this year on the VC)!

NINTENDO WOULD BE STUPID, (ARE YOU EVEN LISTENING NINTENDO?!); to not give us Super Smash Bros 64 next week on its 10 year anniversary... & since Japan has had it since January 20th on their anniversary!!! Same goes for Zelda Majora's Mask... if they're holding it for #300; (we just may get it on May 18th with Punch-Out Wii)! That is if they continue with the 1 VC releases they've been torturing us with since who knows God when?!

I mean if Nintendo decided to totally screw with us now, & not give it to us next week... then there DEFINATELY would be a TON of ANGRY NINTENDO FAN BOYS running amock, & sending a TON of HATE email to Nintendo!!!

Come on... someone's got to agree with me?!

The only thing good today is that DSi has Dr. Mario; it'll be the ONLY THING to get for when I get a DSi!!

Other DSiWare... is like WiiWare, a bunch of shovelware!!!

And I think WiiWare's release today of SQUARE ENIX's Crystal Defenders seems interesting... has been since they announceced it way back!!

Why do some people want super smash bros, its such a down-grade compared to brawl. I'd rather see some thing else next week and if I see SSB I'm gonna be pissed.

VC=mega fail, imo. I think everybody hear needs to contact Nintendo with a full comparison list of NA's Shop Channel release and Japan's this week, asking what the heck's going on already! Two games here versus six there is just plain WRONG!

Holy moly moly! No way! Mega Fail? Is this sarcasm? That is WAY too harsh. We're going at a slow pace sure but at least we have a pace going! Do I have to point out the PSOne Classics again? The discrepency between Japan and everywhere else is far far far larger then for VC. JP gets PS1 updates frequently and we hardly get additions to that at all. In fact I think its been 4 and a half months since the thing was last updated for NA. Would you rather have 4 and a half months of one game a week or 4 and a half months of ZERO games a week? It may not look it but VC is really better off.

@ hjetyekus

DSi is Region Lock, until someone finds a way to hack it.
I doubt Ninty will unlock it any time soon, if ever.

Can I say something quick?
Why the hell do people care SO much about playing GBA games on DS?...
1.) Keep your old DS then if you want to play GBA games so badly, but still look forward to DSi
2.) Play your GBA or GBA SP for God's sake... That can work too, don't give me crap it's a pain to bring around. It's small. I don't think its THAT bad...
3.) Everyone complained I bet at first they couldn't play Gameboy/Gameboy Color games anymore when DS came out...

Seriously people, THINK!
Why such hate over DSi because of silly no GBA feature? Boo-frickity-hoo. Get over it. GBA is old now too. Notice they haven't been making games for it really? Hmmm? Hmmmmmm?

Anyway, my rant is done.
I'm really curious to how Crystal Defenders is...
I miss playing WarCraft III and playing Tower Defense games...
Anyone know right now if this is a good game? I'm probably going to buy it.

And yes... Again I'll bring up I do not know why people want Super Smash Brothers for N64... It's not THAT great compared to Brawl now. Plus, I thought people liked Melee so much... Ahhh I don't even know anymore...

Damn... Long comment.

@papermario128 people like myself want SSB because as downgraded as you may think it maybe.It is still a great game for it's time and if it did not have a Successful launch and Successful sales Melee and Brawl would not have even been made to begin with.

SSB also has the best Race to the finish and it has 1 thing that neither Melee or Brawl have and that is Board the Platforms.Also incase you Anti SSB fans have clearly forgotten Luigi as well as some other characters played different in SSB and Brawl then they did in Melee.

EX Ganondorf plays to much like Captain Falcon and Mario and Luigi had very little differences in fighting styles in Melee where as in SSB they both had different styles of fighting.

Also as plain as some SSB levels like Hyrule Castle were the Backgrounds like the one in SSB were so great that if you cared enough to take notice that in SSB's Hyrule Castle you could see that the Background clearly showed each and everyone that took notice that they were fighting in the OOT World.In Melee the Majora's Mask level did clearly that very same thing in that if you looked at the right moment that you could see the 4 Gaints would catch the Moon before it fell into Clock Town causing the end of earth in the Majora's Mask world.

SSB is still a great game in it's own right and it is time that people took notice of this.Also it is not like those that still have it in Cart form have to get it.But to say we don't need it when people like me want it is just an injustice that does not need to be done.It's like saying we have Mario Kart 64 and don't need Super Mario Kart but guess what Mario Kart 64 is not the best it is a close 3rd or 4th behind Super Mario Kart for me and most any other Mario Kart Fans and SSB is that way with Most SSB Fans too.

If you don't want it because you may or most likely do have it don't give you the right to say that since you may or do have it that no one else needs it.I can tell you now that there are enough Wii owners on this earth in North America who will get it to put SSB on the Top 20 VC Games list within 2 or 3 weeks.Oh have a lot of you papermario128 including that Super Mario RPG hit number 1 on that same list by its 5th or 6th week of being released on the Wii Shop.SSB has that very same chance.to hit at least the Top 20.

So for those who don't want it play the other VC/WW/DSI Games you have and just skip SSB if it comes out.But there are people like me who want it so get use to it.

Isn't Crystal Defenders like $15 on other systems for the whole she-bang? So it'll be $24 for the full thing instead of $30, that's nice. But Wii are still getting screwed. Then again, I'm not buying them, so have fun. The rest of the update is crap: from another Wonder boy to half-*** semi-versions of Dr. Mario and Master of Illusions. So while we've gone from 1 VC and 1 WW a week to 4 games, they are all a waste of points.

@ Comment 102. WolfLink22

After reading that nice long comment; I too HIGHLY AGREE with everything you said there about SSB64... because pepole want it so badly/love it so much is because of all of those nostalgic reasons!

Why do I even bother to repeat myself... there will be TONS of ANGRY FAN BOYS if SSB64 DOESN'T COME OUT by NEXT MONDAY!!!

@ Comment 102. WolfLink22

Thank you for using good logic.
Not being sarcastic. Truly, that was actually good.
If only people could make this much sense in the world.
I'm just personally in no rush for SSB64... I've got the game still and a working N64. So it doesn't matter to me too much, but yes, I see your point in why people could want it.

There is a review up from IGN now. I hope it doesn't cost us 3 times the amout it is now to play everything.

For me i will be getting one of the 4 Street Fighter 2 games if SSB does or does not come out next week any way.But like i said in my last comment there are people such as myself who want SSB for inserted reasons in my last comment so i don't have to repeat my long comment.

I have 2,400 Wii Points and don't want to waste them until we know for sure that no big game such as the Majora's Mask or SSB do or do not come out within the next 3 to 4 weeks from today.

Sure i could get one of the 4 or even 2 of the 4 Street Fighter 2 games if i wanted them.But we will see what happens within the next 3 to 4 weeks.

When we got Mega Man 1 through 3 and Super Mario RPG not only was i happy but any complaints i had were shut for those moments and i had VC Games to hold me over.on Christmas 08 Wario Land Shake it and Sonic Unleashed as well as Link's Crossbow Training held me over for some time too.

But as far as SSB my last Comment which is comment 102 in this article stands very tall to me.

DSi: I guess I can keep my DS, if only for GBA/Rumble capability.

SSB 64: I got Melee used, and it's far from being comparable to Brawl.

VC: the releases have been blah lately. While I'm looking into getting Street Fighter II and SBCG4AP ep. 2, I can't help wondering what happened.

@rurouniteeter

Because my old GBA games are better than minigames that are only parts of games that have already been released on a cartridge. Plus, I have an iphone, so I really don't need a music player/camera. Before I had an iphone, I had a camera phone and an ipod, so still unnecessary.

Speaking of carrying around old systems, I've actually been carrying around an old gameboy color to play games recently! If they get a vc for dsi, I will buy one in a heartbeat, so I can just download everything and have it in one place. If they have DSI exclusive game releases that are really sweet, that would justify buying one too. Dr. Mario Express doesn't really make me want to spend $170 though.

Honestly, if neither of those things have happened in a year, I'll just buy a used DS Lite. I'm glad I found out about the DSi before I had bought a DS though (way behind, I know, but I've been a poor student until now). Wouldn't want to miss out if DSI turns out to be really awesome.

@ supermarioman
Before the VC, I got N64 games on an emulator for FREE that had no problems dealing with the control pak, rumble pak, or expansion pak. If some guy in his parent's basement can figure this out for funsies in his spare time, it seems like Nintendo who made the game and the systems it was played on should be able to figure it out. Especially if they are making money for it! I have no problem supporting the games makers legally, but generally the paid-for, legal product should be at least of equal and hopefully better quality than the illegal free version.

Grrr...I'm just bitter, because I want my Majora's Mask (ssb would be nice too).

I'm not too happy with today's releases simply because SquareEnix released Crystal Defenders. If I recall correctly, SquareEnix is also publishing Bubble Bobble Plus, so we may not see that for a little while now. : (

Seriously, they should have at least released Cave Story or something. Tower Defense is a game that you can play for free on the internet! ... oh, wait... right.

To the Wonder Boy fans-if they exist- the VC must be a dream to them. I just wish CastleVania fans were treated as well, because then we'd be playing Rondo of Blood, Bloodlines, and even Dracula X! Although I am happy that we have gotten the entire NES library and IV, don't get me wrong.

@111: It does seem like the entire NES library is now available. However, they still have to release Mega Man 4-6, Bomberman, and Tetris. I'm still hoping for the Disney Afternoon Series.

Nothing for me today. I'm just going to save my points until SSB arrives.

@StarFox I believe ArchStanton was referring to the NES Castlevania trio.

LAAAAAAAAME.

When are we gonna get some more arcade or C64 games? We barely had any since the systems debuted!

@#2. No we don't. We're just fine with Online Rx.

@RurouniTeeter. I partially agree that it's easier to just keep your old DS to play GBA games, but there's a few games on GBA that aren't that easy to acquire. There's exceptionally rare games and imports that would just make sense to have on a download service at a bargain price. I think Ninja Five-O sells for something like $200 on ebay. It would really be nice to have it for a mere $8.

On WiiWare you can get Crystal Defenders R1, the first part of a two-part game. It was originally released for the iPhone, but the complete game is too big for WiiWare - So some features have been removed and it's been split into two parts.

It's pretty sad that a game originally created for a phone has to be stripped down for a console release.

Come on, Nintendo. You fixed the issue with space on our Wiis, now get rid of the memory restrictions for developers.

@3. Drake
Well, they went and released a version without multiplayer on the DSi just now. Why wouldn't they release the NES version, which, if I recall, does have multiplayer?

@Draygone. Dr. Mario Online Rx on Wiiware has multiplayer...

Well todays not a bad update.. guess ill download Dr. Mario Express for DSiware and FF Crystal Defenders for Wiiware and try that out.

@112 What about Contra, Paperboy, and Base Wars? I thought these were very popular games? I haven't heard anyone say anything about these games in all the topics I've read in the short time I've been a member of this site. I mean come on I had a bumper sticker on my old car that said "up up down down left right left right A B select start" Who doesn't remember that?

@113: Oh.

@114: They haven't done Dr. Mario yet?

yawn

Whats happened to this thread?

Smash Bros. 64 was awesome back in the day, but playing it now feels so slow and the controls are definitely not as tight as Melee and Brawl. I've been playing Smash Bros. 64 at a friends house because they don't have a Wii, and they don't like the new Smash Bros. because it's too fast for them. But I lose all the time because it's so slow and I keep trying to pull moves that are in Melee and Brawl and I forget that they're there. So if it comes out on VC, I'm not entirely sure that I'll download it.

@WarioFan63: No, you misunderstand. VC is a mega fail. PS1 games on PSN are the Uber Ultimate Fail To End All Fails. See the difference?

I'm positive that ArchStanton meant the entire NES library of Castlevania games, NOT the entire library of games period. It's quite obvious we don't have every NES game, and only a fool would say we did.

I already got a reply to my e-mail to Nintendo. Faster than usual, probably because it was a type they had no real answer for. Meaning, of course, that they gave the generic bullcrap about sending it to whoever needs to see it or whatever. AKA, it'll never be heard from again. Big surprise. Freaking Nintendo...

Crystal Defenders should be on DSiware (it will make more sense IMHO), but 1000 point are too much anyway.

@126. Bejeeta
If you notice however, the game is also for iPhone & iPod, as well as on Xbox 360. So, I think it makes sense for it to be on Wii Ware. The game costs 800 too by the way, not 1000.
It'd be nice if they made a version for DSi though.