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Zolgar

So I have a 42" Vizio HDTV and I just went to gamestop and purchased a set of component cables for my Wii as to have a little bit better visuals with Monster Hunter Tri and Xenoblade Chronicles. I have my Wii set to display at 16:9 resolution and at 480p, my TV is set to widescreen as well. Everything still looks quite a bit jagged. It's improved, but not by a whole lot. I was wondering if it could be caused by bad cables, or by poor upscaling on my TVs end. The menus (Wii menu and some in game menus) look fine, just in game (both of them) things look pretty meh. I've messed with my sharpness but lowering it just adds a sort of blur over everything (which is still better looking than raising it IMHO). If anyone has any information it'd be greatly appreciated.

Here's some pics I took of Xenoblade running on my TV:

http://i46.tinypic.com/2vvrih5.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/34h7zh2.jpg

Thanks,
Z

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Zolgar

vonseux wrote:

Zolgar wrote:

It's improved, but not by a whole lot.

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that's exactly what component cables do. really. the jagged edges are because the graphics are better defined, but they're still low resolution.

Well that's a bit of a bummer. So would those games look better on a CRT television then just using the composite cables/480i/4:3?

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irken004

But the colors look much better in 480p, and text is easier to read.

Zolgar

irken004 wrote:

But the colors look much better in 480p, and text is easier to read.

Ah. Well then I guess I'll just stick to using the Vizio then. It's not TOO bad sitting ~10' away. I just got to the Bionis Leg valley kind of area and if it wasn't for the bit of jaggedness it would be absolutely amazing looking (though it still is from an aesthetics perspective).

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Zolgar

WaveBoy wrote:

I'm on repeat once again. Try setting your Wii to 4:3 along with your TV to 4:3(God I'm tired of saying this but....ya, Wii games are actually 640x480 which is a full screen resolution. By selecting 16:9 you're just hampering the graphics and you'll notice how much better the image will look when displaying wii titles in their proper full screen res' I can't be bothered playing Wii games in 16:9, it's pretty nasty imo at least on sets larger than 37". Jaggies can also be the result of having those horrible gimmicky 'edge enhancement' modes on OR your sharpness may be cranked up too high.

Wii games look amazing on my LCD(motion blur aside...ugh) when using component cables, set to 4:3/Fullscreen and using the proper settings. I find expert mode(if your LCD/LED has it) works better at setting sharpness levels, gives off a cleaner and clearer apperance.

And just a tip for reducing lag. ya, everybody knows that game mode is usually ideal. But there are other things that may work to lower it even more. Based on my experiences basic composite cables introduce more lag on HDTV's in comparison to component which automatically reduces it. Plus, Try setting your component input in your TV settings to 'PC' and make sure you plug your component cables directly into your TV and not your receiver, since the receiver could add additional input lag.

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My component cables are plugged directly into the back of my TV. Don't think I've had any problems with lag.

So I set my TV aspect ratio to normal (my options are normal, wide, zoom, panoramic), and the Wii to 4:3 and left it at 480p. Quality is still the same (if not a little worse), just a smaller picture now. My sharpness is set pretty low. How small should it be? I have the dark "not usable" black bars on the sides of it, but the top and bottom has lighter "not in use" black bars that fill up when i stretch the picture vertically.

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Zolgar

Right now I have Xenoblade Chronicles in.

My settings are at:
Backlight 100/100
Brightness 70/100
Contrast 70/100
Color 70/100
Tint 0 (centered)
Sharpness 0 (out of 16)

Color Temp Cool

But I don't have dynamic contrast and edgeenhancement. Don't see anything about gama either. When I go into advanced picture settings all I see is Noise reduction (off) Color enhancement (normal) adaptive luma (off) film mode (auto) bacvklight control (off) ambient light sensor (off). My TV is 42".

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Zolgar

Set the brightness down to 50, bars don't appear any longer ( they're they just blend in with the bars to the sides). I set the sharpness to 10/16 then set the contrast to 90. Color wise everything looks pretty good, it's just that damn jaggedness. For example, when I'm far away from monsters or my camera is zoomed out from my character, my character or the monster looks all jagged, but when i get close/zoom the camera in, things smooth out. It's probably just something with my TV though. It's just a Vizio and was only like $400 so you get what you pay for I suppose. Displays everything from my PC and PS3 via HDMI flawlessly though. Ah well. I sort of stop noticing once I get playing so I'll deal.

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Wheels2050

Just wipe some Vaseline all over your TV screen. Trust me, it works - it's like antialiasing, but without the associated frame rate hit!

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Zolgar

Well I managed to get Monster Hunter Tri looking good now. In the case of Monster Hunter, there's an option in the game menu for 16:9 or 4:3. If I set it in game to 4:3 it looks MUCH better, even then having my TV stretching it to widescreen doesn't look half-bad (the image squash is HARDLY noticeable).

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