Topic: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U - OT

@TheGreatLord: Considering how purposely bad Pichu is in Melee, I kinda doubt it. Looking to be surprised.

Even though I don't own Splatoon or have any connection to the game, I think the Inkling boy and girl (as pallet swaps) deserve to be i the next DLC. More so than King K Rool or anyone else.

@Rexcalibr: More so than K Rool? That's a bold statement.

Anyways, one argument I've seen used against Snake a lot is that Nintendo wouldn't want to associate with Konami given their recent state. However, that argument is completely invalid as Nintendo has already associated with Konami as they've licensed out a Hudson IP. Obviously, that deal was in the works before some of the more recent Konami news, but if they had a morality issue they would have dropped that deal.

HOWEVER, that Hudson deal might actually lower Snake's chances. Why? What if there was more than one of Hudson's IPs licensed to Nintendo? If Nintendo has the license for Bomberman, why renegotiate with Konami for Snake when you can just use Bomberman?

Which new character in Smash 4 is your least favorite and why?

My least favorite new character is Dark Pit, simply because he's too similar to Pit. So, if I had to pick another one, it would be Greninja. Sure, he's kinda fun to play as, but I don't think he is iconic enough. It was a weird choice to me. Greninja, a Generation VI starter Pokemon as a new character? Of course, this is just my opinion. What do you guys think? What are your least favorite newcomers?

@IceClimbers: This is part of the reason I get annoyed by people saying Nintendo makes Smash. Nintendo definitely helps attain 3rd party rights for characters to appear in Smash, but I don't feel that Nintendo having the rights to Bomberman would make Sakurai want to put Bomberman in the game, as there's a good chance he wouldn't be aware or at least it'd be far enough away from where he's focused that it wouldn't fully register. And really, if he doesn't want Bomberman, he's not gonna get Bomberman. Nintendo wouldn't likely force him to do a character he legitimately doesn't want to do, and I doubt they'd really try to redirect him onto another character if he'd already settled on a certain one.

Even so, Sakurai has made it clear that attaining rights can be a nightmare, so I imagine there would have to be something EXTREMELY compelling about a 3rd party character to get them in the game.

@TylerTheCreator: Does Ness count? :V Cause I actually don't hate any characters except Ness, at this point. But obviously, least favorite doesn't necessarily mean hate, so let's go with the one that makes me go "WOOOOO!" the least. Honestly gotta say Mega Man. I wasn't on the band wagon of wanting him in the game. I thought his reveal was super hype, but after that, I didn't have any love for the character, and now that the games out, I don't enjoy playing as him or dread playing against him, so... yeah. Big fat MEH to Mega Man from me.

@UGXwolf: Oh, of course Nintendo wouldn't force Sakurai to choose Bomberman. The only character they'd put their foot down for is Banjo for obvious reasons. Licensing is the biggest thing going against 3rd party characters, which is probably why the only 3rd party Mii costumes so far have been from the companies already associated with the game. I'm sure Nintendo would at the very least notify Sakurai that they have the rights to Bomberman (granted, that's a big "what if"). Or, perhaps Sakurai saw the news about Nintendo getting the license for that other Hudson IP and, being interested in Bomberman, asked about it. Of course, that's super hypothetical as well.

On a side note, the fact that licensing is such an issue I feel is actually a point in favor of indie characters, contrary to the beliefs of most on Smashboards. Why? Developers like Yacht Club and WayForward have openly pushed for their characters, so I doubt licensing will be quite as much of a headache compared to say, Sora or Geno.

It's also a point in Rayman's favor, since he's, well, already in Smash 4.

@IceClimbers: Actually, that's where things get tricky. We could've pretended before that we had some idea how Iwata would handle Sakurai requesting Banjo be in the game, but we have absolutely NO CLUE who's next in line or how they'd handle the request. Would they still say no? Or maybe accept it because it's Sakurai? Or maybe they'd see it as a lovely cross-promotional opportunity. There's no telling.

I can see exactly where you are coming from. I don't like Mega Man's special moves much at all. They're too weak and insignificant, in my opinion. They don't even look cool. However, I really like Mega Man's custom moves. If I could pick a specific special move set for him, it would be...

Hyper Bomb

Danger Wrap

Beat

Skull Barrier

Mega Man's Hyper Bombs are awesome. You can throw them in all directions, even behind you. It looks so cool when I throw a bomb behind me and it lands. I love explosions and I love the damage his Hyper Bombs inflict. Danger Wrap is really useful for when enemies are coming back down from the sky, and it is satisfying to pull off a K.O. from one. I like Beat because Beat is a cool little bird! ...and because Mega Man can travel very high upwards with Beat. I like Skull Barrier because it can deflect moves back at the opponent. Though, I wish there wasn't so much start-up lag to that move. I hate Plant Barrier. I think it is a crappy move. Hehehe.

@TylerTheCreator: I wish Jewel Satellite was picked instead of Plant Barrier, that move was actually useful in the original game it came from (Mega Man 9) whereas Plant Barrier (Mega Man 6) is absolutely useless outside of 1 boss.

@Grumblevolcano - I agree with that. Except Jewel Satellite should've been a custom instead of Skull Barrier, J.Satellite actually reflects in the original game its from, I don't remember S. Barrier doing that. Also would've preferred Rolling Cutter as a Metal Blade custom, because while I love Shadow Blade, the custom of the same name is not as useful.

For people who support K. Rool because "more villains and more DK

Would you also be satisfied if we got Lord Fredrik, a DK villain who might actually be interesting?

Or Cranky Kong, who was the villain in the original Donkey Kong, and also in Donkey Kong Land?

Or just... a DK character, and also a villain, who both play uniquely?

Like, if your only reason for supporting K. Rool is because he's more villains and more DK characters, surely Dixie Kong and Vaati or some other combination of DK character and villain would be satisfactory, but better because of actually having potential for being unique and fun to play as?

Don't even know who Fredrik is. >_>

@NightmareEater: Lord Fredrik? Dude he's King K. Rool but without the personality,who would want him or better yet get satisfied if he made it in? But i give that villain props,he's has an amazing mustache. Oh if anyone don't know know who he is,he's from Tropical Freeze.

Ok what character do you want to be added? Shantae? Because she is indie and a girl? What you are asking is really weird... We can want a character to be in if we want him for whatever reason. Plus it's more than just that like he is one of the most memorable and notable characters.

Oh, right...him...yeah Rool would make it in before he does. Fredrik is just one of those one-time only villains as far as I can tell. (just like Tiki Tong)

@NightmareEater: Dude, just let the K Rool supporters (myself being one of them) be. It's okay to want a character in. Besides, it's not like we want someone like Freddy.
@TwilightAngel: And he's a viking. Vikings are cool.

@NintyMan I just assume that the people who think he'd be "just another Bowser or Dedede" are people who either A) Never played a Donkey Kong Country game in their life B) Only played Retro's games or C) Never made it to K Rool.

I heard people saying that Jr. would just be Bowser clone, and look at how he turned out. lol

There are three Marths in this game. I don't think "but clones" counts as a valid argument to keep a character from getting in. Plus, the reason people think he'd be a Bowser/Dedede clone (which is a laughable phrase in and of itself) is because he's a villain and he's heavy... Mmhmm... So should I point out the tendency for female characters to be light? Because that's also a thing. Guess they all play the same because they're girls and mostly light weight. Villains tend to be heavy weights. That's just the common trope. This is because of the visual language used so that you can tell at a glance that the character is a villain. how do you know they're a villain? They're about twice to five times your size! This language died out for most of the industry when the medium got better at accentuating characteristics without needing them to be obvious at a glance. Nintendo, however, still prefers to keep things simple. You know the bad guy is bad because he's purple and big and glowing. Now shoot him!