@NEStalgia Series S (if properly designed and marketed) and Series X would appeal to different crowds. The type of person who buys a half-grand hardware revision to play games they already have access to at a higher resolution isn't going to care about budget hardware. But most people aren't One X owners, and don't own 4K sets, and would much rather just spend a few hundred dollars less to play their next-gen games on the displays they currently own.
What gets me is how you have this obscenely powerful hardware in the next-gen consoles, but they're still pushing janky framerates in order to chase the 4K dragon (for big AAA games, at least). It's the reason I'm building a new PC this year. I'd much rather have slightly less crisp imagery and far smoother framerates in my games.
re: DQXI S, I actually had the opposite experience. Handheld is a bit low-res and rough-looking, but the game looked gorgeous on my TV. Of course, I wasn't playing it on a 4K set. I did actually have the chance to play Astral Chain on a 4KTV recently, and it was... rough. Maybe 1080p content with an M-cable looks good, but, from what I've personally experienced, most non-4K content looks better on non-4K displays.
If you actually want a version of the game with the good music and the best visual fidelity and performance, just play it on PC. With strong enough hardware, you'll be able to play it at 4K/60 with the orchestral soundtrack blasting the entire time, which is a far better experience than you'll ever have on PS4 Pro.
@Ralizah Well "most people" don't own an XBox One at all, so.....
OTOH I'd be curious what the mix of X1X versus X1-not-X owners are. The X1 was a DOA joke until 1S and 1X launched, and it seems like it only really came into its own once the 1X launched. I'm sure 1S sold more, technically, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't at least a 50/50 mix at this point. I doubt the majority of 1X owners were upgraders from an OG 1 - I'm pretty sure the majority were first time X1 buyers, like myself (I had a 360 prior, laughed at X1 with everyone else at the start, and only got convinced to join in by 1X, which of course I paid less for than a launch 1. I expect that applies to a huge hunk of existing X1 owners.
I also don't know what the mix of 4k set ownership is at this point. AFAIK all but the lowest budget TVs made in the last few years are 4k only. It's just the default now, if you bought a TV in the last few years it's either 4k or a real low end box (monitors are a different story, ironically, where it matters most, the majority are still 1080p.)
I do hate janky framerates, but I'll go the opposite of you (and more mainstream?) on the res though. I'd rather have crisp imagery than ultra-high frame rates. 30fps for a cinematic game is fine (24fps is move speed, after all!) and I'd rather have movie-sharp visuals (I HATE shimmers, jaggies, and soft-edges. It annoys me to no end!) Steady framerates are great. That said I don't think "the 4k dragon" is what's killing fps. Halo Infinite (ugly as the fans think it is) was running 4k120fps!! But people would rather have the shinest surfaces imaginable, than have high res + high fps.....so we get more vfx and less of both res and performance. THAT is the dragon that's being chased. To me 4k60 (SOLID) 60 is a perfect goalpost. There's no need to cripple the dpi or the fps by adding every single fvx imaginable. Even checkerboard is just fine. But stop trying to mess with perfectly realistic water. I'll fill a bucket and go outside if I want that. The game doesn't need every light ray to reflect off the glass on the front lamp of the sailboat to look great. Just give it crisp edges and smooth motion. But that's not what the market wants....
DQXI S, I compared the "4k checker" Pro version to the Switch version both on my 23" 1080p and my 27" 4k. There's really no contest either way, it's just much nicer looking (OMG dat foliage! ) on the Pro version. The trees are....kind of sickly looking on Switch. In a game that mostly takes place in forests and fields...that's something you see a lot of.
Note that mcable does not scale to 4k60. 1080p in, 1080p out. It only scales 4k30 which is useless for games. It does do some contrast and edge enhancements - but it's just acting as a video processor like many receivers have, not a scaler. The monitor itself is doing the scaling (and I doubt it has a great scaler....bog standard average at best.) I'll have to check out Astral Chain. I think I played that entirely handheld. Sub-1080 games on Switch are probably best left with Switch set to 720p. If you set it to 1080p, Switch is doing one round of scaling and AA, and then the display is doing ANOTHER round of scaling on top of that scaling. I didn't try that with DQXI, myself, but, then, that won't fix those hideous trees and pillowy rocks. If you set it to 720 then the switch shouldn't be doing any scaling and the display should just scale once. 1080p to 4k shouldn't be a challenging or destructive scaling becuase it's a pure pixel doubling. Usually the mess comes in if you're scaling twice so you're re-approximating the approximations (like lossy compressing an already compressed MP3.) ACTUAL 1080p is literally just nearest neighbor pixel doubling. It'll soften the edges a little but shouldn't be destructive to the image itself, and solves any screen dooring going on.
LOL yeah, the PC version sounds great overall. I think I'll choose between the two versions of the game I already own on the consoles I already own or even buy a third copy for the Switch version upscaled on Pro or X rather than buying a $2000 PC to run a $60 copy of a game I already own twice.
Ok r&c and that rumored 399 price tag might sell me a pair of launch ps5s. (Screw the $25 vertical stand fee, though)
Though still really want to see XSeX price, confirm game sharing is unchanged, and the rumor of An updated switch has me curious (please be switch xl......6" isn't big enough! Lol)
I doubt [the leak] is real, because I don't think there is such a thing as a ''vertical stand''. The stand can be used to position the console both vertically, as well as horizontally. This is the reason why the stand for the disc version is thicker and more curved on one side, because it has to support the curved ''underside'' of the console. The digital version has a thin, (more or less) symmetrical stand, because the ''underside'' (in horizontal position) is pretty much symmetrical as well.
Each console comes with one stand that allows you to place it vertically or horizontally. I feel that there's a lot of misunderstanding about this. But hey, it makes it easier to spot fake leaks.
Excuse my poor Paint skills:
I think this is what we're looking at. As you can see, the stand has a wide slit (blue arrow) which holds the PS5 in the vertical position. It sits on the blue area in the drawing. Even though both consoles are in vertical position in the lower right image, [the stands are shaped differently]. This is because the disc PS5 has more curved ''underside'' (upper right image), and the stand needs to accommodate for that. In the horizontal position is lays on top of the area marked in red. However, you need to rotate the stand 90 degrees when you place the console horizontally.
Just for reference, here's a horizontal PS5 on its stand. It has the same round stand, even the edges have the same slope.
TLDR, I think there's no such thing as a vertical stand. It's BS. There is one stand per console, and it allows you to position it either way you like.
The Time Shifting on Rift Apart was like the demonstration of PS5 feature, SSD technology.
I think it was pretty similar with Super Mario 3D Land that emphasizing on 3D slider to solve some puzzles.
@Octane That makes a lot of sense. I'd have said no, but I see clearly that the PS5 has no means of standing on its own in the horizontal position at all. Which is astoundingly idiotic design that the machine actually NEEDS to rest on some kind of insecure friction-fit stand, which looks all together like a console sitting on a seesaw, just to function in any position....but that's also classic Sony (see also the Vita charging stand that is so poorly designed that the machine tips itself over on the stand due to only the weight of its own charging cord if you as much as tap it slightly. My Vita has taken a number of spills to the floor due to this - and has a chip in the corner of the acrylic top plate to prove it- though it's fortunately durable and doesn't affection the function.)
That said, it also makes the 500/400 split look less like an informed price leak.
(Though I could see Sony selling replacement/accessory stands to "move it from TV to TV like Switch" )
@Grumblevolcano I don't find that unlikely, actually. Japan was not happy about PS4 launching early in the West, and it hurt initial launch there somewhat. Currently Sony is almost irrelevant there next to Nintendo, and MS is signaling strong intent to challenge them with Japanese devs that seem decreasingly Sony-beholden. I could see them doing a 1 week, or even 1 day gesture toward Japan by launching first there to signal "we're still a Japanese console!" and keep themselves relevant there. Either simultaneous launch or Japan first, this time.
@Dezzy I played R&C PS4 like 4 times back to back trying to mostly 100% it. I NEVER 100% games, but I just had so much darned fun with that game I wished there was even more to it.
I noticed on PS the story on Activision charging $70 for PS5 from now on. Not surprising, but still, ugh "we need to keep up with rising costs" — riiight so your quarterlies have been going consistently down for years commensurate with this rise in costs divided by market growth, right?
Looks like Sony's taken into consideration just how much Microsoft has screwed up regarding Series X marketing as there's now a page to sign up for the opportunity to preorder PS5. Sony's totally expects for there not to be enough PS5 stock to cover demand.
I myself am going to try and pre-order PS5 for myself. Miles Morales is already a must buy for me since I loved the PS4 game and have become really well acquainted with the character through Spider-Verse and his relaunched comic series
Also definitely going to get Demon's Souls Remake, RE8, Horizon Forbidden West and the inevitable Persona 6 because we all know that's pretty much a guaranteed game from Atlus down the line after SMTV
Also hoping the majority of my PS4 library is readily backwards compatible at launch. I'm itching to play Spider-Man PS4, The Nathan Drake Collection, God of War, Bloodborne. KH The Story so Far and Persona 5 Royal on it
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