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shaneoh

@Filth_Element
I was really just commenting on how a couple of older games continuously get re-released on new hardware for above average retail price and people will happily rebuy them, but when it comes to Nintendo releasing their old games on new hardware for less than your standard indie game usually sells for, they're behind the times, overcharging and what-have-you.

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brickofthewild

@Filth_Element

Why being worried? Its up to a consumers decision to buy and pay for a product. If you dont like a product you dont buy it. If a lot of people buy those so-called mobile games then nintendo has made the right decision, if nobody is gonna buy them they will stop releasing. People need to send a signal with their wallet and thus help shape the market

brickofthewild

Shellcore

I'm not worried at the moment, but will become so if developers start seeing FTP games earning more than full price experiences. As soon as microtransactions become more viable than a one off payment, this is when that nightmare will become a reality. No-one will care if Splatoon 3 sells 1 million in the first two weeks if Splatoon Tap (or whatever) makes that and more over a similar time period with cooldown timers and loot boxes.

Edit: See Pokémon Go for how this could look....struck me that this is already happening.

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spizzamarozzi

Filth_Element wrote:

@spizzamarozzi more creativity in mobile gaming..... What are you playing that gives you that impression, more to the point what have you NOT played on the 3ds?

honestly, for me the 3DS was a crushing disappointment, especially after the DS, which was one of the greatest consoles ever. The thing about the DS is that it had amazing variety - you name any genre and I guarantee the DS had multiple games that fit that, from deep narrative-driven adventure games (like the quirky Flower, Sun and Rain) to arcade shooters that you can play for short bursts or all afternoon (the wonderful Bangai-O comes to mind). I named these two, but I could have named a dozen per genre: driving, FPSs, detective games, puzzles, metroidvanias, visual novels etc. Plus you got your goldmine of RPGs and platformers, obviously, and Advance Wars and WarioWare, arguably two of the greatest portable games in the universe.

The 3DS has almost nothing of that variety. You have RPGs, platformers...and then you're stuck with a very small selection of games, most of which fall in the very specific category of fantasy games with cartoonish artstyle. I do have a 3DS but I'm wondering what great non-RPGs am I missing once I got the usual Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart, Kid Icarus, Luigi's Mansion and A Link Between Worlds. I'm a big fan of visual novels like 999/Ace Attorney but a big unfixed bug in Virtue's Last Reward and Capcom's stubborness in not translating their text based games in languages that most europeans actually talk, prevented me from enjoying these games on 3DS. I personally only play one or two RPGs per generation (and this generation I already played my 2 rpgs with XCX and TMS#FE) and have absolutely zero interest in Fire Emblem, thus making the 3DS totally useless for me.

On the other hand, mobile gaming can be wonderful. Bear in mind, I'm not saying that all mobile games are great, far from it - there's millions of mobile games, but among these there's a number of very good ones. You got ton of stuff for every genre you can imagine, arcade style games, point 'n click adventure PC ports, driving, fighting, FPSs, RPGs, shmups, puzzles and perfectly functional console ports that cost only a fraction of the price of the Nintendo Virtual Console. It is actually on mobile that you can find all those unobvious, out-of-time, off-beat experiences that the original Nintendo DS was so instrumental in popularising.

Of course most of these games are designed to entertain in short bursts or to offer creative and interesting adventures that last just a handful of hours. They are also priced to match that, so it's not that you are getting less of your money's worth. It depends on what each individual thinks "portable gaming" should be about. To me portable games should be short and punchy, stuff that I can play quickly to pass the time, like arcade games. I know it's the norm nowadays, but to me it makes absolutely no sense to play deep and complex story-based games on the go - it would be like reading The Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer while waiting in line at the supermarket.

I personally am enjoying playing arcade-style games like Gridrunner, Downwell, Time Locker, Super Crossfire, Nokogi Rider, Cyclone 2000 (a Tempest 2K clone) and stuff like that. I think all of them combined costed as much as Balloon Fight on VC. I'm keeping the system for the backwards compatibility and because I have digital purchases that I would lose, otherwise I would have no problem selling the 3DS, as I've played it a grand total of 5 hours in the last 2 years (mostly spent on Recca and Murasame Castle, which stupid Nintendo didn't release on WiiU).

What you should be worried about is not mobile games coming to the Switch. I would more be worried about Nintendo doing mobile stuff their way - that is, the bad, greedy, castrating, antique, half-arsed way in which they usually do things when they copy something (like trophies/achievements or voice chat). One example is ZooKeeper Battle and Pokemon Shuffle, both free tile-matching games, one on iOS and one by Nintendo on 3DS. Both use a similar time system to restrict the amount of time you can play - ZooKeeper Battle gives you one credit every 15 minutes, you play versus real opponents and matches last various rounds. Pokemon Shuffle's matches last less than half of that time, and you have to wait 30 minutes for one credit (and you are playing on a pre-arranged board against the time anyway).

EDIT: sorry for the long post, didn't realise it was so long.

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Filth_Element

@brickofthewild I'm only worried because from some of the comments I am reading seem really positive and to me seem to be accepting these subpar games with open arms. I'm all for having more games and variety but we shouldn't be so excited by these announcements. I will be voting with money you can be assured of that but I'm worried I'm in the minority and if these titles become popular we are only going to see more and more of them coming my biggest fear is that producers and publishers see it as a waste of time making bigger titles and I will only have Nintendo titles to look forward to. For example and I know I am kinda rambling now and mixing multiple points, look how many negative comments FIFA 18 is getting just because it's gonna be different to the the bigger console versions. I think it's great they have taken the time to make a specific version for the Switch as the console can't match the PS4 or X ūüćĖ. That's a much better attitude than let's try and make a gimped version work because people are moaning about a weird story career mode (in a football game really...). But then these same people rejoice when some (again imo) second rate devs announce a 1-3yr old mobile game is being ported to the Switch saying how lovely it is to get a variety of games..... I'm sorry but my head spins when seeing this kind of attitude.

@spizzamarozzi lol all good I do the same besides unless your post is long no doubt someone is not going to undertand your opinion completely and start bashing you over small misunderstandings. At least in my experience that has happened. I know where you are coming from I kinda just lump the ds family together as I still actively collect ds games which I play on my 3ds it did take a long time for the 3ds library to fill up and I really only got 'into' my 3ds in the last couple of years. You and I seem to want different things on our mobile gaming devices. Don't get me wrong I love the short sharp games I can flip open, kill a few minutes and move on, but I also want games that I can play for long sessions or play a little but still have a reason to come back multiple times. I love a good story and enjoy playing and finishing them. BTW freakin love Bangai-O even though I am completely useless at it....

What I really want is devs coming up with good quality games on the Switch to give us great gaming experiences and I don't really see these mobile games devs as the kind I want. Maybe I'm being a horrible so and so to these devs but hey I'll wear that. I personally haven't played or seen any games on mobile that get me excited.

Some of Mario Odyssey is seriously giving heart palpitations.... that plumber is trying to kill me!

Shellcore

@Filth_Element I think a lot of the positive comments you have heard welcoming "sub par games" is down to the underdog element the Switch has at the moment. I'm going to get roasted for writing this, but beggars cant be choosers. If the PS4's August line up "switched" to the Switches line up all hell would break loose. Switch owners, however, couldn't be happier. It's like battery hens not knowing what the sun looks like. Hope we all vote with our wallets and the Switch continues to keep quality over quantity with regard to game releases.

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adamkop

@Shellcore
When it comes to big AAA games a F2P model doesn't really work all the time. Company needs to get back the money they invested quick, so that they can start another project. If anything, Splatoon 3 would go towards a full release with additional microtransactions. It's not that expensive however, so it most likely won't need them anyway.
If the budget suddenly grew 10 times then it would be just like in the new Battlefront - you pay for the game and can buy additional packs even though they will most likely not guarantee victory to players who just can't play correctly.

adamkop

Shellcore

@adamkop I agree. That seems to be the most likely scenario. Guess we are straying from the topic. Unfortunately, we are already seeing games full price with microtransactions - as you know. Nintendo has been late to the party on this front - thankfully - but are not shy about hiding difficulty settings behind Amiibo, which is quite frankly a lot worse than cosmetic items and pay to win imo.

Sorry OP

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adamkop

@Shellcore Eh, it's still about microtransactions and stuff
Anyway, Nintendo is just keeping some unlockables behind Amiibo, but no real advantage over other players. I didn't like that stuff in Battlefront 2 from the time I played, because when our team was facing a maxed out hero, things got really ugly. Faster recharge, better range and speed - you could feel the advantage.
Back to F2P games - the best part of them is that you can just leave them and not look back (if you didn't pay for unlocks). Full-priced releases with microtransactions are worse as they force you to spend extra money to level the field.

adamkop

JohnBlackstar

@Shellcore Your comments on the PS4 and Switch line-ups being flopped is too true. I think the expectations are so low after having the Wii U for so many years that any support looks like good news. If the customer base continues to just buy late overpriced ports then that is what we will continue to receive. It is far easier for the developers to create a game for PS4, XBOX, and PC which can share similar specs then it is to develop a lower end title for Switch that will be scoffed at by the other console consumers.

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Peek-a-boo

@Shellcore You seem to be new here, hmmm?

Just wanted say that I found myself nodding my head at the majority of things you wrote, even if some folks on here will begrudgingly turn a blind eye to.

I think all of these old-ish ports (Skyrim, Rocket League, Rayman Legends, Pokken Tournament, Payday 2, etc.) and indies games that have been out for quite some time on other consoles are fine for now, but who is to say that the new(er) games on other consoles will ever turn up on the Switch?

Anyhow, onto the subject matter in question. I have absolutely no qualms if the Switch gets the kind of games I play on my iPad such as Around the World in 80 Days, Alto’s Adventure, Framed, Hidden Folks, Lumino City, Monument Valley, Reigns, The Room, Severed, Super Mario Run, Year Walk and so on and on.

The more quality mobile and tablet games on the Switch, the better!

Peek-a-boo

Wichtel

As long as indie/mobile games don't become the main focus of the console i don't mind.
I hope the switch will become the console that allowes you to take the games with you, that you had to play on your TV before.
Not a glorified smartphone with a few bigger titles sprinkled in.
But no need to be negative. At the moment the future looks good i think.
The second half of this years will see some very nice releases.

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brickofthewild

@Filth_Element
I am totally with you. But our opinion wont change a thing. I am in it for some great nintendo games, couldnt care less about most other stuff. When it comes to some critisizm I think nintendo as a company is very stingy, very often honorless and most of all doesnt really care about us. Nintendo customer service is one of the worst I encountered. Its like take it or leave it we dont care. You have to pay premium or dont, we dont care. I like their games, but truth be told I dont like them. I have been waiting four weeks to get my switch back. They dont care. Maybe they think I should feel lucky and privileged to have even gotten one. Yeah, right. I think this will be my last console. There is just too much with Nintendo that u have to put up with, seriously. Worst customer service ever!

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brickofthewild

StuTwo

@spizzamarozzi great post.

The DS was an incredibly innovative & weird system - an injection of creative adrenaline into the industry. It'd be great to bring some of that back from mobile.

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KryptoniteKrunch

kkslider5552000 wrote:

I mean...I dunno. If mobile gaming was gonna ruin other places...it would've happened already?

Great point. I wouldn't worry about the Switch being flooded with mobile games tbh. Even if it gets plenty of shovelware on the eShop, there will still be plenty of big retail and solid indie titles to choose from. For me, the problem with mobile gaming and why it gets such a bad reputation is because there's a sea of shovelware among some quality gems. But even some of said gems can be played on PC, handhelds and/or consoles.

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Filth_Element

@Shellcore @adamkop yeah not a fan of micro transactions at all. I don't mind DLC that adds value to my game sure (as long as it's not just held back content) I used to happily buy map packs and the like as it increases the longevity and lifespan of a game, I'm all for that! The amiibo has been pretty ok in the past but the news about Metroid next game on 3ds has bent my nose out of shape too. TBH I don't really like the look of the Metroid amiibo the Samus is not such an exciting pose for me either just personal taste. So I don't really want to HAVE to buy them just for hard mode on the game I definitely want.... I didn't play Battleftont but the experience your talking about where people who have spent extra cash are maxed out and have extra buffs really grates in ne and that's why I tend to stay away from those types of titles. I'm an old school player where I used to play in the arcades and building your own skills in a game is a point of pride, not yeah I'm awesome cause I spent loads of money on this....
lol this isn't technically what I started the post about but I don't mind going off topic Hahahah.

@JohnBlackstar let's be fair though PS4 has got the advantage of being out a while. But yes I do understand @Shellcore point on that matter.

@Peek-a-boo no not another one! ūüėĪLol. Just playing but I really don't understand why you would be happy with iPad/tablet games on your powerful portable gaming console. Each to their own though... I'd also like to make the distinction between indies and mobile games. I'm happy with indies I love many of them as they are sometimes truely inspiring and different just what I seek when I play games, I don't want the same thing again and again and sometimes I have to turn to indies to get something really unique. Mobile games however (for me) are for the majority of the time cheap which cash ins which regurgitate old ideas a lot of the time in worse ways than they were originally used reskinned and f ing boring! With little to. I substance to really get my teeth into. Why not just be happy to play said games on your tablet, why spend all that money on a device that promises so much more just to play the games that are perfectly fine on other devices. I used to laugh at ppl playing games on their mobiles whilst I sat with my GBA or DS years ago but now it seems that everyone's so I enamoured with mobile games that forgotten what real gaming is, look agin this is just a personal taste thing not an attack on your likes and dislikes.

@Wichtel yes exactly that's what I'm trying to say. I'm just worried about how positive the user base seems to be over these 'too tier' mobile games that are coming. Maybe it's like @Shellcore says it's just cause we don't have much at the moment. Maybe I'm jumping the gun!

@KryptoKrunch I hope your right, I hope we do get some big 3rd party titles not necessarily the ones that the other 2 consoles get I'd like the Switch to be different.

Far out so sorry about the long post I'm in Australia so I woke up to all these responses haha.

Some of Mario Odyssey is seriously giving heart palpitations.... that plumber is trying to kill me!

Filth_Element

@Shane76 but what is good. I thought, personally, Implosion was utter cack. Gear.Club Unlimited looks pretty poor to me too. But that is just my opinion....

Some of Mario Odyssey is seriously giving heart palpitations.... that plumber is trying to kill me!

Filth_Element

@Shane76 what Implosion? I don't find the visuals appealing, the graphics are up to scratch yes, but the repeated rooms which look just like each other repeated assets just in different configurations aren't nice to look at no. The game play is really simple, not a test of skill nothing to learn just mash these buttons again and again so no not for me anyway. But then again I don't enjoy games like Dynasty Warriors as the combat is lacking but people play that....

As for Gear.Club Unlimited I'd rather play something where cars feel different like Forza or have some fun ideas like Burnout or Need For Speed. This too me looks like generic nothingness. Again personal opinion though.

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Some of Mario Odyssey is seriously giving heart palpitations.... that plumber is trying to kill me!

Arngrim

I'm divided on the subject, while i had no interest in the some of the more "high quality" mobile games like Implosion and Oceanhorn, (That's what they were on smarthphones, high quality. Get it over on the switch, and it suddenly looses half its appeal) i don't mind em on the eshop if some people want that sort of games.

Meanwhile, i hope nintendo deicides to weed out low effort smarthphone games, as they won't really help at all with the Switch reputation. I don't want it to turn into the Ouya.

If only there was a way for me to filter out games like that, so they don't clutter my eshop, i'd be more than happy.

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