Topic: The Nintendo Switch Rumor and Speculation Thread

Yeah, it really doesn’t sound like something legitimate at all.
Maybe it’s just a wombo-combo of a natural suspicion combined with my desire for a 2024-NS2 that’s making me not believe it, but I just don’t feel like this holds as much water as people are saying.

Not even that, the Wii U port supported the Pro Controller so there's not really much need for controller changes. Possibly they add gyro aiming, which the GamePad had, but beyond that it's just copy/paste for controls

I posted on the general Switch thread about this the other day. I span up Wind Waker HD in an emulator to see how it holds up. IMO it's serviceable as is. Not perfect but fine. They could rework the shadow/light rendering and remove the 30fps cap, in particular I'm not a fan of the level of bloom it has. Maybe Switch 2 could do some RT. But yeah, I think a Switch version would be fine even it it was just Wind Waker HD as is

Twilight Princess less so but I think even it would be fine. The Wii U version as is would be better than a lot of the other ports we've seen. Somewhere between Skyward Sword and Wind Waker HD IMO. Its just that art style isn't forgiving and it could go a lot further

RT?

@sixrings
Ray Tracing. RT shadows would help a lot I think and if it was on Switch 2 they could do that. On Switch that's not an option

@DiamondCore To be fair, over that time period a fair amount of info came out about both Microsoft and Sony:

• Microsoft opened the floodgates for porting their 1st party exclusives to PS/Switch and the Xbox community went into free fall about how there’s no point in owning a Xbox if they give their exclusives away
• Microsoft remained committed to day 1 on Game Pass which means CoD included
• Microsoft announced some of their next gen plans
• Sony announced that no new 1st party games from major IP are releasing April 2024 - March 2025 and the PS community didn’t react well to that
• Sony announced that the PS5 generation is in its latter half (i.e. PS6 is coming in 2026/2027) and the general reaction seems to be that current gen (both PS5 and Series X|S) has been a complete waste of space because of crossgen
• Sony announced more aggressive PC strategy
• Rumours about both Sony and Microsoft doing a hybrid (i.e. would be directly competing with Switch 2)
• Rumours about next gen Xbox in 2026

@Grumblevolcano I think the points you make about Sony will be the reason why we won't see many "Switch 2" games being cross-gen. At this stage I wouldn't be surprised if Metroid Prime 4 is a Switch 2 exclusive.

The Switch 2 rumors aren’t coming from just a random Twitter post. This is what journalists are finding from likely third party devs being told this info lately. I’m sure this delay wasn’t done last week internally but Nintendo probably didn’t tell everyone working with Switch 2 dev kits until later.

@NarwhalKing I saw a report that Nintendo were telling 3rd parties in December.

@NarwhalKing And how much credit is this?

I find this as creditable and if it rains when it pours. Journalist post what people tell them they don't give out sources for anyone to fact check or directly ask the source themselves. That in itself tells nothing unless Nintendo Direct clearly states this and why. Using Scalpers as ScapeGoats is poor excuses and to not have enough units? Are you kidding me this is 2024 not 2017 let's be real here. They know they can do Resisted NSO account or GameStop registered accounts of One per Account and this day and age they can't do this by now? They are in the business of making money - regardless of Scalpers or not A single Joe Blow can buy one an Resell it - how will they stop this? Nadda... Those last two excuses doesn't hold water at this point. If there was a inventory shortfall they would've know this long ago they make the Switch and they can't tell by now? Telling 3rd parties Devs isn't telling nothing to anyone but for Software Devs to wait til 2025 they don't make the Switch 2 itself. If anyone at this point hasn't Noticed yet there nothing or peeps coming from any Switch Hardware maker even making a leak? Notice that even we got leek of TOTK before announcement. So all were hearing is Software Devs nothing about from the Hardware Manufacture that is in China leaking anything info out?? Just think about that....???? Here's another thing they have the 8" LCD already that means it's In- PRODUCTION why else would this make it out? That is the biggest indicator they are In-Production of Switch 2 units and most likely KNOW the name for the Switch 2 itself. Scalpers are everyone for anything not just Switch itself so these kinda issues always happen and to say we'll wait til 2025 is just DumbS***)PT moves and will come back to bite them as this would tell any AAA Devs games maker to hold off for get ready HOLiDAY 2025 to make AAA games release and guess what whom would want to get their games then as they will be loosing $$$ making games for a non-existing Switch 2 that they have NO Benefit to them.

@DiamondCore I'm worried that the rumors are real, it just feels disappointing enough to be true, but I certainly hope it isn't true, also good idea, now I'm praying for it to be bait. (Also random, when do you plan on changing your avatar back from a clown?)

I suppose this 2025 Pokemon title opens up a small question: is Pokemon a Switch 2 launch title? The last legends game released in January so it’s not like it couldn’t break the holiday release tradition. And if you want a “strong software line up” for launch, sales wise, it’s very hard to beat launching with a new Pokemon title.

On the other hand, Pokemon really likes the holiday release window, and the fact that it was a vague 2025 instead of a more specific date kinda doesn’t rule out the idea Z-A might be a Holiday 2025 game.

All of this is to say, how Pokemon plays into Switch 2’s release timing is very interesting.

@NarwhalKing It was announced for Switch 1. At best, it may be a cross gen title, but given Pokemon's history it's more likely to be a Switch 1 only title even if it launches after the Switch 2's release.

@Grumblevolcano I guess, yeah
@NarwhalKing I know, but the fact that 4 journalists came out at almost the exact same time to say the switch 2 was delayed internally because of “scalpers” of all things, when the week before a bunch of them were 101% confident in a March reveal just seems fishy
@chiiizu yeah (also I’ll change my pfp back probably on March 1st)

Also worth noting how information like this works. Someone leaks some information and that triggers others to call up their sources to try and confirm/reject the story. Especially if that information is now public

To use a political example our previous PM during the pandemic secretly held 5 ministries. Nobody knew about this, nobody thought to ask. Then one day, years after the fact, an article came out citing an anonymous source saying that he had held a couple of secret ministries. So journalists start digging, asking sources. Within a few days we know the when, where, how, how many the whole shebang. With more reputable sources and then eventually official confirmation

We would still know none of it if it wasn't for that first article. We also would've known it all much earlier if that article came out earlier. That's the nature of leaks, they lag the actual story. So you can't really judge timing or make assessments based on the "coincidence" of multiple outlets "suddenly" reporting on a thing

@skywake I appreciate your comparison and explanation. I understand gaming rumors and journalism isn’t always accurate but I find the general dismissal and vitriol towards these genuine outlets very annoying. Journalism, when done properly, deserves respect and appreciation, not rejection.

@DiamondCore so 4 outlets didn’t say it was scalping concerns. Nikkei, a reliable Japanese outlet, made a report stating hardware production concerns (i.e having enough units to meet demand at launch) was part of the delay. This was after sources from Eurogamer, VGC, etc reported the delay at first. Eurogamer specifically claimed a source said it had to do with software development needing more time.

I understand to some extent it’s not “confirmed”. But these are outlets that have credibility, and are hubs of actual journalism. And the delay wasn’t for one singular reason. Nintendo didn’t just do this because of scalping concerns. They did it for a number of reasons that ultimately added up to late 2024 not being a great time to launch. You are free to believe what you want though.

Inventory shortfalls has never really factor in selling consoles maybe games but those are in constant development or updating. Until Nintendo clearly says 2025 March all the news is taken with grain of salt -
since if this was such why haven't they publicly come our and say this? This is can't be that hard to say it was delayed right? But you hear squat from Nintendo even saying this? I'm suspecting this is to mislead Leakers and to find them and stopping them from the real facts. And could've a launch 2024 but by deflecting the release date they stop any early Leaks from happening. Also Scalpers exist for anything, this is also a poor excuses. They can implement registrations to track buyers from scalping since consoles have S/N and can be tracked.

@NarwhalKing I guess that’s true, they are more reliable than other leakers, but im still a bit suspicious because a bunch of leakers being confident in a March reveal to instantly saying it’s delayed the next week is a bit fishy

@SwitchForce
Why would Nintendo announce a delay for hardware they haven't even publicly confirmed exists yet? Also what are you even talking about in your first bit. The ability to produce enough units for launch is pretty critical. If they decide now to go all in for a holiday 2024 launch with a bunch of Switch 2 exclusives but don't have enough units? Well they'd be kneecapping Switch software sales in exchange for Switch 2 sales that can't happen because theyre aren't enough units

And no, scalpers wouldn't be the reason. But scalpers are a problem for hardware launches these days and are something they would need to account for. And, frankly, none of these recent reports explicitly said scalpers was the reason from what I can tell

But fundamentally we don't know. So the best we can do is guess based on the available information. And at this point in time the available information are these reports from multiple sites and sources talking about an early 2025 launch. And until we hear otherwise that's the best we have. Doesn't matter what your feelings are, that's how it sits right now

Actually they just recently released a Goemon inspired 3D platformer, Mameda no Bakeru, in Japan in November (international release plz?). So it's possible we might not hear from them again for a while.

I mentioned this in the Nintendo Direct thread, but Game Freak is starting to love breaking patterns now to the point where you kind of have to throw history out the window. If you're going to say cross gen is unlikely you better have a stronger argument than "this is what they've always done" because they've been deviating from what they "always do" a lot lately.