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TSR3

@Aeon7 I remember reading something about this a few months ago. At the time I assumed it would be similar to all the other £1000 Switch style PC clones. It doesn't look too bad actually, but the price is the most attractive feature
I'll look forward to the reviews. It may even get me back into PC gaming.

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HotGoomba

Honestly that Steam handheld could get me into casual PC gaming.

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TSR3

It's interesting how Valve stuck with a 7" 720p (up to 800) screen. I remember when Bloomberg first reported on the OLED screen, there seem to be a lot of people who wanted Nintendo to produce a perfect PC port machine for them, at minimal cost, and anything less than full HD 1080p was a rip off/cowardice/evil-capitalist-plot etc

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sixrings

@TSR3 the last couple years over lapped with switch and it was pretty barren and unsupported.

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Matt_Barber

@TSR3 I'm not ruling out Orin and explicitly said that they might if it gives them a chip that fits entirely with their needs. However, the point was that they're not in the least bit wedded to what Nvidia have on the shelf. It should really just be seen as a happy accident that the X1 had all they features they wanted, very few that they didn't, and the price was right.

I'm just of the opinion that, unless lightning strikes twice and Nvidia make another chip that's such a good fit to their requirements, they'll probably go with a custom solution. As such, trawling through Nvidia's roadmap looking to find the chip for the next generation Switch is probably going to turn up a blank, much in the same way as trying to work out what the Series X was going to use from looking at AMD's.

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Balta666

Steam handheld has a good pricing for the specs but the buttons layout looks really bad and altough powerfull (compared to switch) I am afraid the games won't run particularly well on it as I am not sure devs will put a lot of time on it and valve is also not known for curation (at all)

Balta666

Matt_Barber

I like the price of the Steam Deck. Take that OLED Switch.

The things that put me off the it though are that it's running Linux, so bye bye to about 60% of my Steam library because it only runs on Windows or MacOS. Sure, there's Proton but that's a band aid solution that's only really worth doing for that one game that you really want to play and are prepared to put some effort into setting up right. Nobody's doing it for a library of several thousand games.

Running Windows on a handheld device is obviously far from ideal, but there's nothing about it that's bad enough to be worth trading that much of your Steam library for.

Other than that, the lack of a physical keyboard is disappointing. Having used the GPD Win for a number of years, there are a lot of games that mostly have controller support but just need an occasional button press. Working one into a design that's not a clamshell is going to be tough, but the Win 3 still managed it.

And yes, the mousepads on both sides layout seems weird and relegates the buttons and d-pad to awkward spots. I like the idea of having one mousepad on there, because navigating a desktop OS without one is a pain, and mouse aim is a serious boon for a lot of games. However, the left hand side one particularly seems like dead weight and they're both occupying valuable real estate that I'd rather see the buttons and d-pad in.

On the whole though, I'm mostly impressed. Its arrival may prompt developers to start designing more games that can be played entirely without a keyboard and supporting Linux, and I'll be interested to see what workarounds people come up with in the meantime.

I doubt it's likely to rival the Switch in terms of sales but it seems likely to become the biggest player in the handheld games PC market by some margin.

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skywake

Haruki_NLI wrote:

Then I saw the screen resolution that's also 7 inches big with bezels.

Then I saw the battery life

Then I saw the internal storage. That's not even one decent PC game.

So it's a $650 machine that plays games for 2 hours.

Also how does it work docked (sold separately), is it connected to mains or is it doing that off of battery?

If we want to be pedantic the battery capacity is about 2.5x larger than the Switch. Their rated battery life is only marginally lower than the Switch (2-8hrs vs 4-9hrs) because of the significantly higher spec. And the cheapest SKU has 64GB of eMMC flash which is identical to the OLED model. For $50US more than the OLED model. But it also has raw GPU performance that's about 4X the Switch docked, double the RAM and double the memory bandwidth. All this for $50US more than the Switch OLED model

And there are 256GB and 512GB SKUs that drop the eMMC for an NVME SSD. Those are the SKUs you are quoting prices for. So yeah, hardware wise this is pretty compelling I think. Does it compete with the Switch? Maybe, maybe not. But whatever it does it definitely highlights how far behind the Switch is compared to what they could release at their price point.

Oh and yeah, the dock definitely has power passthrough. Why on earth would it not? It also supports HDMI 2.0, which the Switch could with little to no effort but does not, and Display Port 1.4
https://www.steamdeck.com/en/tech

FWIW, I'm definitely interested in this thing

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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"

Madao

It is not for me. I already have a powerful PC and I don't need another handheld console. But it is indeed a very impressive piece of kit.

Valve is also doing an amazing job to stop the scalpers. Only one reservation per Steam user is allowed and it also requires a purchase to have been made on the Steam account before June. Really impressed with Valve on this, they even timed the announcement perfectly after the disappointing OLED Switch reveal.

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skywake

I will add that as hyped as I am about the concept in theory and at the very least a company of this level of influence taking this form factor semi-seriously? Valve has a history of getting bored of hardware ideas almost as soon as they're out the door. And I'm not a huge fan of the physical design.

The spec and price have me interested but. And the "linux only" doesn't worry me that much because there's always in-home streaming for the titles you can't run. It's more of a nice product to run indie titles that don't exist on Switch or struggle to run on Switch. And also legacy titles that have not and never will be ported to Switch. As well as the occasional newer title

I have prob around 400 games on Steam, if it's "only 60%" of that compatible with Linux we're still talking more games than I have on Switch, Wii U, 3DS, DS and Wii combined.... and if you really wanted to there'd be nothing stopping you from installing windows on it

(and you could easily run Dolphin on this)

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Some Aussie musics: Pond, TFS, Genesis Owusu
"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"

TSR3

@Matt_Barber I've always assumed Nvidia would develop a bespoke model for Nintendo (and their own Shield box too). Yes, you're right the original Tegra X1 was an off-the-shelf model. But Mariko (Tegra X1+) was just for Nintendo (& Shield!). I can't see Nintendo moving away from Nvidia for the next generation. They don't have the resources to go it alone like Apple, and the other players (e.g. Qualcomm and Samsung) have their own big customers or their own requirements to focus on. At least with Nvidia, Nintendo know they are an important customer.

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TSR3

One thing to note about Valve's Steam Deck - the dock is not included in the listed prices, and they don't have pricing or availability for the dock yet. And its weight is 271 grams more than the Switch.

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GrailUK

Maybe make a Steam Deck thread? That way, I can avoid reading about it hee hee.

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TSR3

@GrailUK Great idea Kinda like how this thread is free of all the Switch Pro haters

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GrailUK

@TSR3 Haha I know right. Why waste your time like that?

I never drive faster than I can see. Besides, it's all in the reflexes.

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Grumblevolcano

I wonder if Nintendo's using the OLED to try and justify higher pricing overall. So like the current setup is:

  • Switch Lite - $199
  • Switch - $299
  • Switch OLED - $349

Then in a few years the setup is:

  • Switch Lite - Discontinued
  • Switch - Discontinued
  • Switch Lite OLED - $249
  • Switch OLED - $349
  • Switch Pro (called something else) - $449

Grumblevolcano

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TSR3

@Grumblevolcano I reckon that there's possibly an element of Nintendo covering themselves for future inflation, or even current inflation in the tech sector with the component shortages of the last year. And they won't be the only ones ...

Switch OLED Success "Could Set A Precedent For Charging More ...

I think the traditional price cuts over time for consoles could disappear for this generation

EDIT: Your prices look believable to me

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TSR3

@Grumblevolcano On 2nd thoughts I'd doubt a Switch Lite (OLED model) would go up by $50 as it'd probably have fewer upgrades than the docked version. Maybe $229?

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sixrings

@TSR3 or they just charge fifty because they can get away with it.

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