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skywake

Some thoughts on the recent Metroid Prime Trilogy comments. We now know that Skyward Sword HD was built on a Wii compatibility layer and likely used AI texture upscaling. Of course there were other welcome tweaks but the core of it sounds pretty drag and drop.

So why would anyone think the Metroid Prime Trilogy on Switch isn't happening? Rumours or not, seems like the most obvious thing. I mean what other games would be on your shortlist of games to remaster from Wii/GC?

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Jey887

I think people just have an 'I'll believe when I see it' attitude when it comes to the Metroid Prime Trilogy. At this point, can't really blame them. The rumours have been doing the rounds for years.

It's almost certainly a case of when and not if. Too many sources outright confirming it exists.

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sixrings

@skywake I heard from my sources we would be seeing. A Wii Punch Out HD, a Wii Warioland Shake It HD and a Wii Sports Resort HD. I have not heard from my sources of a Metroid Prime Trilogy HD.

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BruceCM

So, Nintendo have apparently assured everyone they have 'no plans to release any other Switch models at this time' ..... Funny, they were saying that almost right up until they announced the OLED model, so I'm sure we'll all believe them this time?

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Balta666

@BruceCM actually that is not exactly true as for instance last year on shareholding meeting they were clear in saying nothing would be released that year. This year on the other hand it changed to we are allways working on new hardware because they don't want to say something clearly untrue. You can allways say I have nothing to announce today and it is not a lie if it comes tomorrow lol

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GrailUK

Stop it. Just stop it now. They have no plans. Have a break. Let's all resume in the new year. I think it would be good for everyone's karma hehe

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skywake

@sixrings
I think what you don't get is that I'm not commenting on any of the rumours, frankly I don't really buy into rumours on their own. What I tend to do is look at what's technically possible and speculate on what they could do. I mean this is literally the rumour and speculation thread is it not?

A few months ago I was talking about what Nintendo could feasibly do with a higher spec SKU within a reasonable budget. They didn't do that. But I think my position on what they COULD do has been well and truly vindicated given the announcement of the Steam Deck. And I still stand by my position that they should do something in that direction in the next year or so or risk falling behind.

On Metroid Prime Trilogy? I'm not really buying into the rumours about it coming out or not coming out. People are always going to speculate about that whether or not there's any merit to it. However Skyward Sword HD looks pretty damn good for a game that we now know is largely using Wii assets. Likely AI upscaled textures but beyond that it's pretty much original game assets running natively on the Switch. It'd make sense to reuse those tools

But the question is, which games could they use these tools on? If you go down the list of best selling Wii and GC titles there are some games that don't make sense. Titles like Wii Sports are so small you'd be better off making from scratch. Mario Kart, New SMB, Smash Bros, DKCR, Animal Crossing make no sense given we already have modern "replacement" releases. And Mario Party, the forgotten big hitter, we're getting a Mario Party compilation game this year.

So for multi-million sellers we're left with:

  • Zelda (so Wind Waker and Twilight Princess which already have HD remasters)
  • Mario (just Galaxy 2 at this point)
  • Metroid Prime (all three and just 2D Metroid on Switch currently)
  • Paper Mario (Thousand Year Door & Super Paper Mario although we have a Paper Mario already)
  • Pikmin (I question how much people would care given we have Pikmin 3)

Of those.... Metroid Prime is the obvious pick

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HotGoomba

sixrings wrote:

@skywake I heard from my sources we would be seeing. A Wii Punch Out HD, a Wii Warioland Shake It HD and a Wii Sports Resort HD. I have not heard from my sources of a Metroid Prime Trilogy HD.

Sources: Please trust me guys.


I mean a Wario Land Shake It remaster could happen, but a new game in the series is way more likely.

Nintendo kinda confirmed that they wanted to move away from casual games like Wii Sports, so a Wii Sports remaster is almost impossible, and even then, a third (fourth if you count Club) is way more likely, and even then, that's clearly not Nintendo's focus right now.

Punch Out Wii getting remastered is just flat out laughable. It's a great game, but Nintendo probably wouldn't remaster that game. And even if a new Punch Out is coming, it's moreso likely to be a fully new game rather than a remaster. These games probably don't take TOO long to make anyways. Don't take my word for it, but the development time likely wouldn't be long.

Also like my local church is predicting Metroid Prime Trilogy on Switch /s, what are your sources even?

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skywake

@HotGoomba
The problem with the Wii Punchout also is that it was a sprite driven game. It's not like running at a higher resolution is even really possible. I mean maybe they have high resolution versions of those sprites floating around? If so maybe it'd make sense. But even on the Wii it was a bit of an afterthought release. I remember picking it up not long after release in a bargain bin for $10. The game didn't really move.

Would be more of a download release these days I'd think. I think even at the time they had a special demo-ish version of it as a WiiWare title for Club Nintendo in the US.

I would be down for a new Wario Land but

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Grumblevolcano

I think with the Nvidia Shield Wii games being delisted, those may come to Switch. Either that or Nintendo's broken up with Nvidia as the Nvidia deal was Switch gets Tegra chips meanwhile Shield gets Wii games in HD.

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Madao

skywake wrote:

So why would anyone think the Metroid Prime Trilogy on Switch isn't happening? Rumours or not, seems like the most obvious thing. I mean what other games would be on your shortlist of games to remaster from Wii/GC?

Bold of you to assume it will be a trilogy instead of Nintendo selling each game separately at full price

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BruceCM

Yeah, it's just pointless them saying it, @Balta666 ..... I don't think anyone expects a further upgrade to be announced until at least a few months after OLED is out, anyway, so any speculation is for next year as it is

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Balta666

@BruceCM oh I do agree we won't have anything more this year but I wouldn't be surprised if we have something next year (either an enhanced model or cheaper one)

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Ninjalaislit

Madao wrote:

@SM3DASislit It is definitely not out of the realm of possibility for Nintendo to release a more powerful model like they did with the New 3DS. The main reason I find it less likely now is that the OLED model bumped up the price of what is basically a base Switch model.

If say Nintendo were to release a Pro model in 2022, it would be too soon to lower the price of the OLED model, so the Pro would be sold at $450 minimum (unlikely Nintendo would do just a $50 price bump, so I assume a $100 bump). At that point, they are in PS5/Series X territory, so the Pro would have to be extremely impressive to compete.

Something is definitely happening, there is no chance such a large part of the rumours were true only for the spec bump to be wrong. It is definitely a mix of different things (OLED model + some future model/Switch 2). That being said, Nintendo is always using outdated tech and the rumoured chip is far from outdated, it is not even used by any device yet. So I think at this point, the spec bump part of the rumours is more likely to have originated from Nintendo testing early what will eventually be an outdated and cheap option for them to use for the Switch successor and not related to a Pro revision.

@Madao
Sorry for the really, really, late response. I've been busy recently, so I haven't had a lot of time to send out responses.

Yeah, that does make sense as to why the chance of releasing a newer Switch model, outside of the OLED Switch, would be lower.

I actually was thinking that if Nintendo would release the Switch "Pro" (or whatever it will be called) that would release in 2023, as Nintendo seems to be releasing Switch revisions every 2 years, instead of every year that they were doing with the 3DS for a while.

Yeah, I agree that something is happening behind the scenes regarding future Switch revisions. I believe that specs that were reported on weren't completely made up, but it probably is like you said where they were testing it for a successor, rather than another revision.

I know that Nintendo said that they were looking into more advanced (or powerful) hardware within the last year or 2, so it wouldn't surprise me if they started to start having more advanced consoles, like they did before the Wii.

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SKTTR

What do you think is the likelihood for the following rumoured games?

Donkey Kong 2D
Fire Emblem Echoes
Metroid Prime Collection
New Pokémon Pinball
Paper Mario Remake

And what do you think is Next Level Games new project?
Luigi's Mansion 4, a new Punch-Out!!, or a new Mario Strikers?

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GrailUK

@SKTTR Mario Strikers in time for next years World Cup.
DonkeyKong 2D 8/10
Metroid Prime Collection 9/10
Fire Emblem Echoes 5/10
New Pokemon Pinball 3/10
Paper Mario Remake 4/10

(no rhyme or reason lol)

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TSR3

@GrailUK Shouldn't Metroid Prime Collection be a 10/10, it's just a matter of when, not if?

@Madao I think Metroid Prime being re-released as a Trilogy is a good working assumption as that's what the last release was (on Wii, and I've got the original to prove it! ) I suppose Nintendo could break them up for re-release, but what would be the point. They'd have to provide 3 lots of marketing for each release, and they'd need to provide 3 lots of extras to justify each purchase. It sounds too fan hostile, even for money bags Nintendo!

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Rumour du jour (well, yesterday's anyway) from kopite7kimi ...

Dane is allegedly the codename for the lower power version of Orin intended for Nintendo. SEC8N means Samsungs 8nm process (same as used for Nvidia's latest RTX GPUs). I think kopite7kimi has previously hinted at 7nm (he seems to hint a lot rather than making hard statements like above). Ada Lovelace is the known codename for the successor to the Ampere GPUs currently powering the RTX 3000 series.

To be honest when kopite7kimi previously hinted at Ada Lovelace I thought he was just making stuff up, but then I read up a bit more about him and he seemingly has a good track record with graphics leaks and the tech press take him seriously.

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Madao

@TSR3 Honestly when they talk about the Switch it feels more like an educated guess than something they know. They know "Dane" exists and is something that would make sense to be used for a Switch, so their best guess is that the next Switch will use it, especially considering the previous rumours, it would provide all the rumoured capabilities.

One thing I hope Steam Deck does is push Nintendo to make their next iteration at least as powerful in handheld. I think Valve might have tried to guess (or they might even know) what Nintendo will do with their next Switch in terms of power, so they can piggy back on it to make Steam Deck support more straightforward for devs.

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TSR3

@Madao I wonder if Nintendo will respond to Steam Deck in any way? When they said they had no "plans" for new hardware after OLED yet, I took it to mean they were still in the R&D phase. And there's a ResetEra rumour that seems to back that up ...

https://www.resetera.com/threads/future-nintendo-hardware-tec...

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