Sony isn't going to fail any time soon, if only because there's a demand for high-performance home consoles out there and the people running Microsoft's Xbox division are clueless as to how to run a successful console gaming brand. Also, the Playstation brand name is still massive throughout the world.
That said, I agree that the PS5 feels like their first almost completely skippable console if you already own a mid-range gaming PC. Actually, to be honest, even if I didn't own one, their first-party output is just not that appealing any more, bar one or two games. Even many of their biggest supporters will grudgingly admit to this.
No hate to anyone who loves their PS5, of course. But they've lost me as a customer for now.
@Ralizah Exactly. I don't think Sony is going to fail, but they've at least lost me as a customer. I only bought a PS5 for Yoko Taro's next game, Final Fantasy, and Persona/other Atlus games. Given that Square and Atlus are going to be trying to get their games on as many platforms as possible day 1, I don't really have a need for more than just a Switch and Gaming rig.
Another thing to add is that paying for PS+ is another reason I don't tend to buy games on my PS5 anymore. PS+ is expensive as hell, and all I'd use it for is to play online with others. Something which is free on PC.
@Ralizah
I mean, there was somebody bought PS5 just for playing 3rd party kids games , didn't care with AAA 1st party Sony games.
Peoples still forget this one, the 3rd party kids games.
PS5 have Barbie, Bluey, Peppa Pig, etc.
Are those games really a joke for them or they just don't want to admit?
The console wars are alive and well I see. I play both Nintendo and Playstation about equally, so it's hard to imagine hoping one will fail just to stick it to their fans.
No one in this discussion is hoping PlayStation as a whole fails, we're just wondering what the point of a more expensive PS5 Pro is. If it was a revision which was the same price, it wouldn't be controversial. We certainly like complaining here whenever Nintendo makes weird choices, so I think we are allowed to do the same to PlayStation occasionally.
@FishyS
I think PS5 Pro will make simple kids games gameplay become way much superior with 4K and 120 fps.
Playing Bluey in 4K, 120 fps, ray tracing with even faster loading time from PS5 Pro?
That's very luxurious way to play kids games. 😆
As of right now, Echoes of Wisdom doesn't have an overview trailer, which is very interesting. A lot of times the overview trailer releases about a month before the game comes out. The game is less than 3 weeks away, and this week is becoming increasingly less likely, so it'll be fairly close to launch we get this trailer at the earliest.
Sometimes a Direct will happen before a game release which includes a trailer for said game, sometime afterwards is the overview trailer. With games like Kirby's Return to Dream Land Deluxe and Luigi's Mansion 2 HD, this happened.
My theory is that it also can be later when other games release close to it (after that game releases) like we saw with Super Mario RPG being 2 weeks after WarioWare Move It!, and WarioWare Move It! 2 weeks after Super Mario Bros Wonder. WarioWare Move It!'s overview was after Wonder and Super Mario RPG's was after Move It! (If I'm getting the days correct), which meant a fairly close overview trailer to release.
Echoes of Wisdom isn't really right after another game, so that doesn't seem to be the problem. That means either Nintendo simply decided to have a later overview trailer for whatever reason, or this could be pointing towards a potential Direct including Echoes of Wisdom (probably a shorter trailer like LM2HD in June 2024 Direct).
You could probably make the argument that the two big six-minute trailers Echoes Of Wisdom got over the last month count as overview trailers, maybe there's just too much ground to cover for a single one and Nintendo is trying something different.
@PikminMarioKirby For this year's releases, the overview trailers were:
Another Code Recollection - December 15th (release January 19th)
Splatoon 3 Side Order DLC - February 13th (release February 22nd)
Mario vs. DK - February 1st (release February 16th)
Princess Peach Showtime - March 7th (release March 22nd)
Endless Ocean Luminous - April 18th (release May 2nd)
TTYD - April 25th (release May 23rd)
LM2 HD - June 20th (release June 27th)
NWC NES - July 11th (release July 18th)
Emio - There wasn't an overview trailer, they used that demo approach instead
I feel as though Jamboree needs an overview trailer more than Echoes of Wisdom at the moment so maybe Jamboree overview trailer whenever previews go live and then Echoes of Wisdom overview trailer on the 19th.
@FishyS you literally just said you hope the switch 2 is announced shortly after the PS5 pro so that it destroys the hype for it. I just get so tired of console elitism. It comes from Nintendo fans just as much as Sony and PC fans. A new game system that you aren't buying doesn't affect you. Nothing for everyone to get so upset over, especially in a Nintendo site/thread. Can't we just be excited for the stuff we like without trashing the stuff other people like?
@Sigran102 a) I was mostly joking and b) There is finite media attention and if the consoles are being announced near each other I would rather Nintendo get that attention because I want Switch 2 to do well. And c) As I said, PS5 is fine and I even want it to do well because it is good for the industry but a more expensive PS5 pro seems like a weird decision; if you think Nintendo fans won't trash Nintendo about weird decisions you haven't been paying attention to this website so I wouldn't really call it console elitism. Console elitism certainly exists, but the questioning of PS5 Pro isn't really part of it.
@PikminMarioKirby Good point about Echoes of Wisdom reveal trailer, and I also think the recent trailers for Mario Party and Mario and Luigi were both weirdly unrevealing, with the name of Concordia seemingly being the only new thing of note. This is very wishful thinking, but I almost wonder if they're gearing up for some sort of "Nintendo Spotlight" 1st party only presentation in the next couple weeks. It could include updates on the aforementioned games + Prime 4 and DKC, maybe the reveal of DLC for games like Wonder or Pikmin 4, and then finally reveal the switch 2 and some (or all if its coming as soon as Spring) of its launch lineup.
@FishyS I agree that questioning the PS5 pro isn't elitism, but people are also trashing the PS5 in general. Nintendo fans do complain about Nintendo a lot, but they're complaining because what they want isn't happening. Complaining about another console that you don't even want just because you're annoyed that other people like it is elitism. But I don't want to derail the thread any more, so this is my last post on the subject. Feel free to respond though.
@Sigran102 As far as I can tell from reading other threads on this forum, most of the people here who most complain about PS5 either have one or are considering getting one. 😆 Plus some who would want one if Sony was doing things differently this gen. From a personal point of view, I wish PlayStation and Nintendo both sold tons more and took some of the PC gaming market. I am biased for consoles in general (well, I am kind of indifferent towards xbox just because I've never had one and none of their exclusives interest me).
Getting back to the subject at hand (Directs) which you quoted me on, I do think it makes sense for Nintendo to wait until After Sony to make an announcement. If any of us are even correct about both those announcements happening this month. If I were Nintendo I would certainly attempt to monopolize the gaming news as much as possible for a time.
Unrelated to the PS5 Pro, but assuming the rumour about an OLED Mario Wonder bundle is true, do you guys think it increases or decreases the chances of a Switch 2 hardware/software reveal?
@Grumblevolcano What do you think the chances are they are modifying the eShop to add the capability to display Switch 2 games (presumably with a link to Switch 2 info) or specially mark games as 'enhanced version on Switch 2' or such?
@Sigran102 I mean I literally have a PS5. I had a PS4 for years before my PS5, and I enjoyed a ton of games on that console. I'm not a Nintendo fanboy, nor am I a "Sony pony." I'm just a person who will criticize any company that deserves said criticism. There are things Nintendo has done that I genuinely don't like. How they've treated Animal Crossing, the live service stuff they've been doing more and more commonly, and the destruction of canon in games like Pikmin or Zelda. I've gone on record in the past to say that I preferred more games on Playstation than I did Nintendo, since Nintendo kept releasing games in series that I loved which destroyed or catered to audiences that weren't apart of the original fanbase.
I am 100% far from being a fanboy, and I'm not one who engages in the console wars either. The people who do that tend to be genuine losers that fight over what corporation they champion, when all the corporations are pretty God awful.
"It is fate. Many have tried, yet none have ever managed to escape it's flow."
@Grumblevolcano This doesn’t necessarily mean anything, since that NSO maintenance was pretty much a day long and seemingly did nothing.
I know some people think maintenance sometimes happen around the same time as presentations, but I thought Nintendo might try to avoid this week from a major presentation.
Also I’m not sure a Jamboree overview would happen before an Echoes of Wisdom one. Has Nintendo done something like that before?
@VoidofLight Not everyone has a high end PC to play triple A games, and not everyone would even prefer that. Just because you don't use yours doesn't mean Sony didn't make the system worth buying.
Speaking for myself, I have a PC that I wouldn't describe as "high end" but it's certainly PS5 adjacent in terms of GPU spec. The PC gaming experience certainly isn't for everyone. It's probably not even for me in the living room space because when I had a PC in there I just played Switch most of the time. So I understand the appeal of the PS5 in that sense
But again, and speaking for myself who's clearly biased because I'm here, if convenience is the game and with Switch 2 almost surely out soon. Soon enough that it'll be on the shelf for most of the rest of the PS5/PS5 Pro shelf life. Very possible scenario, Switch 2 is on shelves for ~$600AU or a tad over. A portable that sits somewhere between PS4 Pro and XBox Series S on spec. Next to it is the XB Series S for $500AU, XB Series X for $800AU, PS5 at $800AU and PS5 Pro at what.... over $1000AU? Maybe it's just me but I don't see how the PS5 Pro is an attractive product in that line
I don't think I could justify to myself spending that much in one go on a device just for gaming. When I spend that much on a PC it's for gaming sure but it's also a productivity tool both for work and tech-life in general. I need to have a PC, that's not a want, the want is the additional spec of the GPU over and above a simple display output. A gaming console is just for games.... how can that kind of price be justified when the $600AU thing plays most of the same games and is portable?
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