@GameOtaku Atlus doesn't need to give in to your demands
A port would be cool but Atlus doesn't need to prioritize a specific group of people as if that's the only way they'll actually be viewed in a positive light
The truth is Persona 5 is a lot like a modern Final Fantasy VII moment for the series, in that everyone who wanted to play it, probably already made plans to get a PS4 because the series has become a PlayStation console seller in the same way Final Fantasy did after VII
And yes Persona is perfect for handhelds, and those handheld games already happened thanks to the PSP and the PS Vita, so no one is arguing over that. The PSP was how I myself got into the series through Persona 3 Portable and the Persona 1/2 remakes
But I don't see FAN demand for a Switch port is the point I'm getting at. It honestly reminds me of the stories I used to hear about how N64 owners were envious of the fact they lost Final Fantasy to Sony and were jealous of the people who actually got to experience that era of games while refusing to buy PlayStation consoles for themselves because they were Nintendo-loyal or some excuse like that. Same thing with MegaTen because 90% of the series is either on Nintendo consoles or exclusive to them EXCEPT Persona, and I'd argue that the choice of platform was honestly the best thing that could've happened to that series because it was absolutely a factor in how Persona managed to become so popular it overshadowed every other series within that franchise
I hate to be that guy but honestly most of the people who are left clamoring for a Switch port of any of these games come off as extremely stubborn, because based on what I've seen on Twitter and sites like that, none of the demand is actually because they want to play Persona, it's because they feel robbed of a Smash character's series and just refuse to buy another console with the hope Atlus will just cave in like a stressed out child because they feel that entitled to a game.
Most of the demand isn't even coming from Atlus' target audience or these "fans" you're talking about. in Japan. If they were the ones begging Atlus to release the game on Switch they would've already listened and you'd be playing P5 or P5R on your Switch right now. Because it seems to only be English players or specifically, just the Nintendo folk who've only heard of the series through Smash, they obviously don't really care about that section of the audience. I'm not saying I agree with that mentality but it is what it is and the sales of their recent games don't really indicate any form of change whatsoever because they just continue to sell well regardless of platform.
Joker remains the sole playable character in the roster without his game of origin released on any Nintendo hardware, so it might happen, but if it does, it won't be because you were screaming on Twitter over it. They just don't care about you.
Also the Snake on MSX in Japan only argument can also be dispelled by the fact Fire Emblem hadn't even come to the West by the time Roy and Marth were introduced in Melee. No one has ever said Fire Emblem began on GBA. The MSX game is literally the first game, so therefore his platform of origin is the MSX.
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Fire emblem is a Nintendo IP though so pulling obscure characters from Japan only games is fine. I see fans wanting to play the games but not on Sony platforms. Joker in smash gave us a beacon of persona leaving Sony exclusivity to expand and capitalize on its success. I want the game to be more widely available. The other Atlus games you mentioned carry more risk to port than P5. People are demanding it, not last bible or Demi kids. What fans are just simply going to ignore the series if it goes multiplat?!
@GameOtaku There was never such a thing as Sony exclusivity with this series. The first game even came out on PC in Japan around 1998, and the mere existence of spinoffs like Arena and Q shows they're not tied down to Sony consoles whatsoever, but you can't just automatically be biased towards the idea of a character being included in Smash just because of the console they debuted on. Atlus has a long history with Nintendo, but Persona despite its lack of one, is their most popular series so it made perfect sense to include in Smash despite the fact none of the main entries have left Sony in terms of console platforms, because Shin Megami Tensei reps just don't have the draw from the casual audience Persona does. The game itself isn't hard to access. The only thing stopping you from playing the game at this point is that you just don't like non-Nintendo systems or specifically Sony consoles, because the PS4 is literally the best selling console of the three currently on the market right now and is also in my opinion, the best due to its sheer exclusive library. Persona 5 isn't a hard game to access whatsoever and the sales of Royal show that wholeheartedly. The only way Persona will actually end up coming to Nintendo systems is if Persona games just start to sell badly on Sony consoles, because the PS2's popularity in comparison to the GameCube was what caused them to jump ship with SMT during the 6th generation for games like Nocturne, Digital Devil Saga and Persona 3 & 4
The other games I mentioned do carry some sort of risk compared to P5, but as evidenced by Nocturne HD's literal existence the risk will always carry with it a much higher reward, because based on what I've seen online people who've only played Persona are actually excited to give the main entries a try, and Nocturne before the remaster was literally only accessible through either emulation or if you just happened to own a PS2 or PS3, both last gen systems. The PS4 is none of those. It's a thriving console with an active userbase that proved to be a major comeback story for Sony. The Switch is selling faster at the moment, but the PS4 is unarguably the biggest console of the entire generation, and the only barrier to entry left is just your ability to save up enough money to get one.
And no, you can't just excuse Fire Emblem for being Japan only because it was made by Nintendo themselves. It was still Japan only and the West had no history with the series prior to the early 2000s after like 6 or 7 games had already been released in Japan.
@TheFrenchiestFry
Because they didn’t want to cut content from smash by removing fire emblem from its international releases. Right now there lots of spirits that are Nintendo owned that haven’t left Japan.
@GameOtaku They didn't remove Fire Emblem from the international release of Melee. They originally intended for Marth and Roy to be Japan-exclusive but then decided to put them in the English release to gauge interest in Fire Emblem games getting localized
Snake got into Smash well after Metal Gear 1 & 2 on the MSX2 were officially made available in English through MGS3 Subsistence, and even on the GameCube as part of the Twin Snakes Premium Pack, and the NES games barely count as official entries in the series because they were made behind Kojima's back without him knowing anything about them, and Metal Gear on NES came out AFTER the MSX2 game, therefore making his platform of origin, the MSX2, not the NES.
That's like saying Ryu & Ken originated on the Super Nintendo and SEGA Genesis
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Maybe I’m not making myself clear. Metal Gear was on the nes (2 games who cares if kojima was involved or not it’s Konamis IP they made the decision) Gameboy Color, GameCube and 3DS. Snake has mainline games and history with Nintendo consoles. So his inclusion is fine. Fire Emblem is a Nintendo IP and so is smash so their inclusion is completely natural. Several Final Fantasy games are on Nintendo as well so choosing one character to represent the series as a whole (one whose fane we finally got on the switch I remind you) Cloud is easily one if not the most popular of the series! Same with Castlevania history with Nintendo and popular iconic characters.
Joker on the other hand is the odd man out. No Persona games have been on Nintendo platforms. SMT has history with Nintendo but not Persona. Having a Persona character show up in Smash has to mean something. They had plenty of SMT characters and demons to choose from for fighters and spirits but instead choose Persona for both. If they didn’t want to cause a ruckus they would’ve made better decisions. Persona is a money tree for Atlus. Nintendo switch is a great platform and is selling astronomically well. Demand for P5 on Switch is high. Any self respecting businessman or woman can see a port would be a low risk high reward chance. Even you can’t argue with that. What’s the old adage..........The customer is always right?!
@GameOtaku The Q games are literally exclusive to the 3DS and Scramble is on Switch alongside PS4. In addition, Persona-related content has appeared in other games on Switch like Phantasy Star Online 2, Tokyo Mirage Sessions Encore and Catherine Full Body
The only "ruckus" that's actually happening are from a bunch of one-track minded Nintendo fans who think that every character in Smash comes with a free port of a game from their series on their console. Atlus' decision making in regards to choice of platform is clearly a non-issue since Persona 5 ended up selling around 5 million units while being a PlayStation exclusive game.
Persona being in Smash in place of SMT goes to show Nintendo really doesn't consider a character having history with their consoles as a factor. Joker is one of the faces of Atlus' single most successful series in their entire history. That's why he's in Smash, not because Atlus promised a Switch port of a Persona game, or because they're advertising the PS4 to you, but because Persona is one of the most successful and lucrative modern JRPG series in recent memory. This clearly wasn't a pick meant for people who solely play on Nintendo consoles. This was a pick for the wider gaming audience because of how popular Persona 5 became upon release and how it essentially elevated Atlus as a developer to a new level of recognizability, which none of the Shin Megami Tensei games could even manage, not even Nocturne.
@TheFrenchiestFry
We got spinoffs and cameos. The other examples I showed were mainline games. The keyword here is mainline. We have no mainline Persona games. We have mainline Final Fantasy, Castlevania, Banjo Kazooie, Street Fighter, Fatal Fury, Minecraft etc! No mainline Persona at all period!
@GameOtaku If they were going to tie Final Fantasy closer to Nintendo in Smash they wouldn't have picked Cloud. They chose to specifically pull content from the one game that was famous for years for shafting Nintendo from getting further mainline entries in the series. Even on the official Smash website they specifically state Cloud is representing Final Fantasy VII, not the series. We do have mainline FF games on Nintendo but Cloud specifically only ever had history with Nintendo through spinoffs and cameos in other Final Fantasy games until VERY recently. Same exact thing with Joker, except Atlus as a developer does have history with Nintendo and Persona is still a side series within Megami Tensei, of which 90% of their games have been on Nintendo consoles, including certain Persona games, just like Cloud and other FFVII characters being in Kingdom Hearts and Theatrhythm on Nintendo systems.
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Again, picks like Snake, Joker and Cloud aren't solely meant for the Nintendo audience because none of them originated on those consoles, nor did the games they specifically appeared in become synonymous with their hardware compared to other platforms. Most of the third party picks come from popular franchises in general and not just ones that are commonly associated with their consoles. Even FF has come to a point where I'd associate it at present far more with Sony consoles considering Nintendo hasn't gotten a new mainline entry as it was coming out since VI.
Final Fantasy did start on Nintendo consoles, but VII did not. In fact it became famous for not being on Nintendo at all until last year. These picks don't come with a set criteria that a character's main games have to have appeared once on their consoles. It's just advertising the fact that they're cool and iconic characters from cool and iconic series.
@Marioman2020
But no SMT references at all. Persona and SMT are two different things! @TheFrenchiestFry
SMT has been traditionally a Nintendo series (exception being 3) while Persona although a spin-off of SMT us it’s own separate thing in fact it’s dropped the smt tag line from it completely. Atlus and Nintendo had poor foresight by choosing a Persona character and not expecting debate as to whether or not a series that has nothing to do with Nintendo is going to break its exclusivity. Nintendo has no business advertising for a rival companies exclusive characters and games. Even the original smash commercial said “Something has gone wrong in the world of Nintendo “. Everything in smash has ties to Nintendo whether it be directly through the games or the series (like choosing certain Belmonts and cloud to represent their series as a whole while highlighting which games they are from). This conversation is getting way out of hand. Atlus are fools for not releasing a port on switch and I still believe a port is incoming just like Microsoft saying a port of Ori 2 wasn’t happening and then not too long after it was. Sony fans can no longer claim its exclusive to them since the steam release of 4G. That’s it! I’ll buy SMT 3 and 5 but I’ll stay away from Scramble, no reason to spoil hundreds of hours of story and character development on a spin-off sequel to game we as Nintendo owners have no access to. It’s like reading the final book in any series or watching the final in a movie series without any pretext to the plot. I’m done. I’ll continue to speak up on social media to advocate for persona on switch just as the Atlus rep has told us to do if we want change!
@GameOtaku Atlus removing the SMT tag doesn't mean it's not a MegaTen game. The Japanese releases of these games never even had the moniker to begin with. Games like Digital Devil Saga, Raidou, Devil Survivor and Devil Summoner had the moniker added to them exclusively in North America and Europe just to convey that they're all part of the same franchise. SMT explicitly refers to the main numbered entries through IV Apocalypse, but Persona is still a side series in the larger Megami Tensei franchise seeing as how it uses the exact same general role playing mechanics and demons as the other MegaTen titles. Atlus and Nintendo never had poor foresight choosing a Persona character, because the sad reality is no one from the general gaming audience would give two craps if it was an Atlus character from literally any other series seeing as how Persona became more iconic than all of them. The debate on whether or not a main game was coming was just sparked by people who read too much into character inclusions, as if every character in Smash has to come pre-packaged with a game announcement on whatever current Nintendo console there is at the time. Snake in Brawl even came with MGS4 music, a game that not only wasn't out yet at the time of Brawl's release, but was also going to be a PS3 exclusive game, and I don't remember an MGS4 Wii port materializing from that inclusion.
The only real fools are the ones who think Atlus will just suddenly bend to the will of the people who spam their social media accounts with tiring requests for a port that they either have never said they had any plans for, or were possibly working on the entire time. A statement from a communications manager at Atlus West won't just suddenly change the outlook on whatever they're working on, because not only is her sole job just to serve as a bridge of communication between the Japan and West branches, but Atlus West literally has no effect on what Atlus Japan creates for them.
I'm not saying a port won't happen, but it's incredibly naive of you and everyone being "vocal" on social media when in reality, Atlus West's PR probably don't read a lick of your tweets and tags, and if they make a port happen, it won't be because of you or because of Smash Bros. Quite frankly Atlus made you do exactly what they wanted by including Joker in Smash because now Persona 5 is actually on people's minds and some people I know have even gotten around to playing the game because of his inclusion and don't care that it's on a non-Nintendo system. They ain't dumb. The only one really missing out on this point is you because you'd rather have Smash Bros. spoonfeed other games to you without you making the effort to actually play them.
@Snatcher lmao It just personally peeves me when people say extremely exaggerated crap like "Persona 5 on the PLAYSTATION 4 is inaccessible" or hard to play when Last Bible, Majin Tensei, Ronde, DemiKids, Digital Devil Saga, Eternal Punishment PSP, Raidou and the literal first two SMT games are all wheezing in the corner
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The PR side isn’t going to say something that would cause issues. The rep has to have a reason to tell us to be vocal about what we want. People recognize SMT as being mostly exclusive to Nintendo so having a non smt character with ties to a Sony exclusive system (exception being 4) is odd and a choice that makes the controversy. At the end had they went with any other character from Atlus with ties to Nintendo platforms the conversation about Persona being ported to switch wouldn’t have had as much traction.
I made my choice of platform. Sony has become too purityrannical for my liking. Switch is easy to update since I can carry it easily. Unlike the PS4 which I’d have to lug a monitor and the system to a public WiFi spot to do so since in my rural area having internet at home is out of the question. Atlus is pure bonkers to even gave scramble on switch since we don’t have any way on the platform to play 5. Royal while it was well received felt like a ripoff to those who bought the vanilla version. Both P3P and P4G were on handhelds so Royal makes even more sense to come to switch since we, unlike other Sony users, don’t have the vanilla version so we’d have the definitive extended version.
From a business point of view they’d be better off acknowledging the demand (you honestly can’t deny the demand) for a port rather than remaining silent and do something about it. They have caused much of this by not going out and saying what P5S was when it was announced. They released DLC of a Sony exclusive game character on Switch and didn’t expect this level of frustration and exasperation?! Spin it however you want they “Royal”lly screwed up.
Those other Atlus games would be great on the switch. But they carry much more of a financial risk to port than the safe P5 port would be. To play P5 consumers would need to spend more money on a new system. That’s a good deal of cost right there. So you’re saying to experience a $60 game you need to spend $400 on a new console just to play it?! If that’s the case why would you even buy Scramble on Switch when you have it on ps4 instead?!
@GameOtaku Royal certainly wasn't a ripoff to those who played the vanilla version considering the vanilla version was already a solid standalone experience. It adds numerous QoL improvements and an entire new school semester carrying a completely new story and about 30 extra hours of gameplay in addition to new confidants and side activities on top of a game that was already 100+ hours. It goes above and beyond even the previous Persona re-releases like FES, Portable and P4G with how much new content it adds. If it was just a definitive edition for 60 dollars with all the DLC, then sure maybe it would be harder to justify its existence, but it's practically both a solid entry point for those new to the series as well as people returning from P5 like myself.
Atlus have already acknowledged the demand for people wanting their games on Switch. That's literally why not only are SMT III and Catherine on Switch or coming to the console in a matter of months, but SMTV is literally a Switch exclusive in the same way P5 was for PlayStation. Nobody should be envying Atlus for announcing a spinoff of Persona 5 on other consoles that aren't Sony like they have been doing since as early as the days of milking Persona 4 for every penny it was worth. Joker is in Smash because he represents a cool RPG that has been enjoyed by many causal consumers and has a large fanbase. Scramble may be a narrative sequel to P5, but at the same time so was P4 Arena, and like that game it's a complete spinoff or side game they can use to tide people over while they're actually working on larger projects like the next Persona game or SMTV. The only people who were actually mad about P5S not being just P5 on Switch are the people who put way too much faith in baseless rumors, a letter in the alphabet, and a single character inclusion in a fighting game whose roster was already encompassing characters who originated from non-Nintendo systems for years.
They never screwed up by just doing what they have for years. If anything it just kinda goes to show how generally uninformed you are about how they've operated as a company for the better part of close to a decade since Persona 4 Arena. There are other Atlus games that would not only generate interest in series that aren't Persona for the Persona-playing crowd, but would also bolster the Switch's RPG library if they were kept as exclusives seeing as how Atlus has kept a lot of their games Nintendo-exclusive for years. Persona 5 may be a PlayStation exclusive but that literally didn't stop anyone from shelling out 400 bucks just to play it, and in the process discover the myriad of incredible exclusives the PS4 had outside of that. The 4.6 million units P5 has sold as of earlier this year including Royal goes to show that people are more than willing to shell out that kind of money for that game.
Also Scramble being on Switch in the first place is them acknowledging that they know how much people want Persona on Switch. It's just not a mainline game. Same way they treated the Xbox 360 back then.
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@TheFrenchiestFry At least the DDS games are still somehow very, very cheap on PS2. The two games cost me a grand total of $40 to purchase in 2015 and 2019, respectively. Most of their other older games are far costlier.
Although you do still need a PS2 in order to play them.
@Ralizah I do applaud Atlus for actually making sure the PS2 stuff like DDS and the original Nocturne didn't skyrocket in price since the same can't be said for Persona 4 Golden on Vita, but yeah DDS is another game I think deserves the HD treatment Nocturne is getting considering you need at the very least, a PS3 or a PS2 if you want to actually play the game legally, and no casual consumer will have those lying around these days. P5 definitely doesn't have that kind of barrier to entry.
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