Topic: Games that are perfect for handheld gaming but are'nt on the Switch

@TheFrenchiestFry
Mainline is the key. Richter was in Dracula X on SNES and Cloud repped FF as many iterations if it have been on the platform! Mainline persona has not ergo either Persona is coming to switch or it was a ad for Sony. SMT and Persona are not the same! It’s like comparing Disney and WB animation!!

@GameOtaku But Cloud reps FFVII. He doesn't rep the entire series. If he repped the entire series then there would actually be content for him in Smash that references the other games. Even his alts don't represent anything from prior Final Fantasy games outside Dissidia, and his major palette swap alt references Advent Children, which is a movie set within FFVII's continuity

Persona's just in Smash because it's a popular series. Sony has next to no involvement in that decision and Atlus didn't purposefully advertise the PS4 to any of you. It's just a coincidence that main Persona games are only on Sony consoles but it isn't an immediate indicator of anything so far. Persona is still a MegaTen series because if it wasn't, then it wouldn't reference characters like the Kuzunoha family of devil summoners, or have demons from SMT running around as acquirable Personas.

@TheFrenchiestFry Yep. Ono both lifted Capcom fighters and nearly wrecked them as well...it’s kinda scary how good he was at both. The nonsense behind cross tekken and sfv was insane.

@Ryu_Niiyama Tekken was probably worse because of the bs like on-disc DLC and the gem system

SFV is at least now in a state where I think the game is actually a lot of fun and the content actually feels like it's worth full price

@TheFrenchiestFry I wasn’t as salty as some people were about SFV but I was talking more about the dev issues than the released product. Cross Tekken was the victim of executives jumping in where they should not.

@TheFrenchiestFry
That is my point. Cloud reps the series as a whole. It has different antagonists and protagonists and he is most well known. Persona on the other hand is not represented on Nintendo, Q doesn’t count as it’s a non canon spin-off. Persona and SMT are two different things! Instead of him just representing smt as a popular character all the spirits associated with him are also persona 5 characters! Had he been similar to Cloud that might be one thing but there are no smt spirits either! No Jack Frost, no Mara, no Demonica etc. We just keep getting persona shoved in our faces!

Anyway Persona is perfect for the switch end of story.

@GameOtaku Q is non-canon

Just like Theatrhythm and FF Explorers were for Cloud, and they too were both released exclusively on 3DS

Joker only got Persona 5 content that didn't represent the rest of the franchise

Just like Cloud only having two songs from FFVII, a stage based on the first location in FFVII, an alt referencing a movie that was a direct sequel to FFVII

Neither Joker, nor Cloud represent their respective franchises. In fact Joker actually represents Persona considerably better than Cloud does for FF because his DLC pack also includes not just music from P1, P3 and P4 but they even released Mii costumes based off of Yu Narukami, Teddie and the Persona 3 MC

I get wanting Persona on Switch but it shouldn't be a requirement for a character to feel deserved in Smash as a rep for a company who otherwise has plenty of history with Nintendo

Besides P5S is coming anyway

@TheFrenchiestFry
5S will spoil 5R. P5R or P5 will have to show up on the platform first before most of us will buy it. The only way to experience it is on Sony PS.

@RPGamer Yeah

an Atlus WEST COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER

All they can do is just make Atlus JP peep out a window every once in a while, but West has way less of a say than either SEGA or Atlus Japan

The only real deciding factor from a fan perspective on what gets made is the surveys Atlus JP puts out for its Japanese players. Those surveys gauging interest in specific Persona games is why stuff like Dancing, Persona Q and Scramble even exist in the first place

Not helping things is the fact that Western news outlets started reporting on the survey from earlier this year like it was meant for every region and that's what caused English players to flood the survey with requests for Switch ports when it wasn't meant for them, so now there's no actual definitive conclusion as to how many Japanese only players wanted those in the first place. Stuff like Nocturne and Catherine Full Body definitely didn't happen because of the survey because Nocturne in particular started development two years ago according to the lead producer and there was evidence of Catherine coming to Switch as early as before even the PS4 version launched stateside.

@GameOtaku Persona 4 Arena was on Xbox 360 and literally spoils the surprise antagonist of Persona 4 as early as like 4 hours into the story

These spinoffs are literally never a guarantee for main entries showing up on non-PlayStation systems

They're basically like Atlus' versions of the Kingdom Hearts side games

@RPGamer I was initially on board with Break Free because I thought it would help get Japan-only titles like P2 Eternal Punishment's remake or the Majin Tensei games wider exposure for potential Western releases, but it seems as if the majority of the people on that dumb movement only care about Persona 5, a game that's on literally the best selling system of the entire generation worldwide

There are so many other Atlus games that would benefit from greater accessibility in my opinion. We got Soul Hackers on 3DS, but we never got the original Devil Summoner, that one Saturn game that's still Japan only and has only been ported to PS1 and PSP. Same with stuff like Majin Tensei or Kyakku Megami Tensei, or the Last Bible games.

Persona 5 on the PLAYSTATION 4 can wait its turn lol

We haven't even gotten proper English console releases for SMT 1 or SMT 2, and I ain't playing the former on an Android phone from 2011.

@RPGamer Switch is actually my first Nintendo home console I've completely owned after being raised as a PlayStation kid for the majority of my formative gaming years so I got into Persona well before it became mainstream in the West

I bought a Vita partially for Golden since I loved Persona 3 Portable that much and I'd be the first to say Golden deserved a second chance on any platform. I'm honestly really happy they chose PC over Switch because any time a console exclusive game makes its way onto PC like Yakuza, the PS1/2 Final Fantasies or the Tales games they tend to garner a considerably larger audience than if they were just ported to a new home console

I even heard P4G actually became the most concurrently played non-MMO RPG in a single day on the platform which was a record previously held by FFXV, so I think Steam was really kind of a blessing for that game if anything

Plus if it came to Switch instead I guarantee people would be pissed it wasn't the game with the guy from Smash Bros.

@RPGamer I do indeed have a Discord but I've lowkey kinda refrained from trying to build up too many contacts because I'm busy with university stuff and don't want to get distracted

Maybe later I'll start with that again. Right now it's just me and friends from high school

I have also seen Twitter. Atlus West's twitter posts are a hellhole incarnate to browse because the amount of spam with pics of fanmade Switch covers for Persona games with that hashtag is genuinely grating. Even when the post has nothing to do with Persona there's always THOSE people in the comments thinking Atlus PR actually reads what people say

Same goes for the people who are actually begging Sony to buy Atlus and turn them into a first party developer

@TheFrenchiestFry
All of this is Atlus and/or Nintendo for having Joker be in the game in the first place. Had they went with something else as to not get consumers riled up the drama wouldn’t have been as strong on twitter or Facebook. I still think Atlus are fools to not announce a port when it’s just good business and PR to do so. Persona fans should be happy to see their fan base grow rather than be upset that it’s leaving its chains of Sony.

@GameOtaku Nobody would be upset about Persona being on a non-PlayStation system. Golden on Steam literally just proved the franchise can thrive on other platforms

People are just annoyed at the constant sense of entitlement that the Nintendo community in particular thinks they get to have because they feel Joker's inclusion in Smash is completely undeserved just because Persona's barely touched a Nintendo system when the same can be said for franchises like Metal Gear or even main numbered Final Fantasy post-SNES

The only people getting riled up in this situation are really the Nintendo fans who either spam Atlus' Twitter with constant requests for a port they were never promised, or likewise the people gatekeeping them from playing said game

Both sides are incredibly jaded and have one-track minds

@TheFrenchiestFry
Atlus should listen to fans and just port P5 and anything in its back catalog to switch and other platforms instead of holding certain series to certain platforms. Break free persona is mostly about 5 and for good reason it’s a roaring success so from a business viewpoint it’s a no brainer. The rep said to keep telling them what we want so we are!

Almost every game out there is a good match for Switch and unless there are contractual discrepancies (timed exclusivity for example) companies should go to where the money is and port to switch.

@GameOtaku But Persona 5 really isn't the game that needs more exposure is the thing

I can name about 10 Atlus games that are considerably harder to access than Persona 5, and for good reason. Persona 5 is on literally the best selling console of the entire generation and everyone who wanted to play it i.e. the ACTUAL fans already have PS4s to do so

The requests for a Switch port aren't even mostly coming from Persona fans based on what I've seen on social media and that's a fact. It's coming from people who can't be bothered to actually get a PlayStation either because they hate Sony's guts or they think a character being in Smash is just a soft announcement for anything on a Nintendo system

@TheFrenchiestFry
The switch is the best selling this gen. You are referring to existing fans, to increase their fanbase they need to port to their platforms. They never should’ve put Joker in smash if it didn’t mean anything. Joker is not a SMT character! He is a Persona character and Persona hasn’t been on a Nintendo platform, Q does not count since it is a non canon spin-off. All other characters have at least one main line game on Nintendo platforms (Metal gear has been on Nintendo so snake is in, Castlevania so any of the Belmont’s are fine, Cloud is also fine since several FF are in Nintendo platforms and he represents the crowning jewel of the series). Persona has no mainline games on switch! SMT should’ve been represented but instead Atlus kept teasing us with 5S and then revealed it wasn’t a port but a spin-off taking place after P5 and that is was multiplat! If scramble can be multiplat then 5/5R should be given a chance to be played on the Switch since lots of us have no point of reference for the events in 5.

I’ve played P1-4 on psp and vita so I’m already a fan of the series and I want it to grow. I’m done supporting Sony but I’ll support Atlus if they do right.

@GameOtaku Switch is the FASTEST selling this gen. Completely different thing

PS4 right now has like at this point a bit over 100 million units worldwide so obviously as a whole, more people own PS4s at present compared to Switches

There is no written rule in Smash that says a character has to be extensively tied with Nintendo whatsoever, because even Cloud and Snake are definitely more largely tied to Sony consoles in terms of their major appearances with them appearing maybe once or twice on Nintendo consoles. Same exact thing here

Scramble being on Switch is like Arena being on Xbox 360. It doesn't automatically guarantee any sort of mainline game coming to a non-Sony system because Atlus has never done that at any point, and honestly the teasing of P5S was a huge unfortunate mistake because it actually got people hyped up on a false promise that they had convinced themselves of just because Joker had been coincidentally revealed for Smash

Q may be a non-canon spinoff but literally 3/4 Metal Gear games that were on Nintendo systems were non canon so that is an argument that can easily be dispelled, same with Cloud being in Theatrhythm and Final Fantasy Explorers on 3DS. Joker being in Q2 was his criteria for appearing on a Nintendo console

I honestly don't get why the idea of a character who originated from a completely different platform being in Smash is still a thing that's being bickered and argued about considering Snake was the very first third party rep in Smash history and his series didn't even start on anything Nintendo related

@TheFrenchiestFry
But his games were on at least 4 gens of Nintendo product and here in the west got his start on the nes since the msx was japan only.

Persona is perfect for handhelds and Atlus needs to give in to the overwhelming demand for a port especially as you said since P4G has done so well on Steam a switch version shouldn’t be that big of a risk given as I said the demand for it! Atlus needs to stop being Japan centric and consider the demands of its worldwide consumers.