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Topic: Do you think it would be better for Nintendo to reveal the NX before E3 or at E3?

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WebHead

@DefHalan: But can they do that at a competitive price point, even with a normal-ish controller?

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DefHalan

@WebHead: I don't see why not. The components to build something around that power range probably aren't that expensive as they have been manufacturing for a few years now. Nintendo would probably be the most expensive system just for being new, but if they continue with no Online fee and Bundling good games with the system, I could see them doing well. The main reason to buy any system should be 1st Party and exclusive features, the 3rd Party multiplatform stuff just helps the justification. I doubt Nintendo is doing this but it is a possibility in my opinion. The main reason I don't see them doing this is that means they are changing how standard console generations work and going head to head with other systems at their strongest while Nintendo is pretty weak currently.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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DefHalan

@WebHead: I don't see why not. The components to build something around that power range probably aren't that expensive as they have been manufacturing for a few years now. Nintendo would probably be the most expensive system just for being new, but if they continue with no Online fee and Bundling good games with the system, I could see them doing well. The main reason to buy any system should be 1st Party and exclusive features, the 3rd Party multiplatform stuff just helps the justification. I doubt Nintendo is doing this but it is a possibility in my opinion. The main reason I don't see them doing this is that means they are changing how standard console generations work and going head to head with other systems at their strongest while Nintendo is pretty weak currently.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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WebHead

@DefHalan: Tbh I think 2017 is the best year thinking about it. Ample time for a good launch lineup, good OS, etc. NX must be affordable.

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DjLewe78

If E3 is where it is shown off I think Nintendo should start the hype train off with a few teaser ads to build momentum towards E3.
Nintendo are so secretive and only reveal the machine (no specs usually) at E3.
Official teasers are the way forwards for Nintendo. Make people want one before its even shown !

1 up !

Pres_Shinra

I dont know, but NX must be on sale, globally, by November of 2016... And with a decent game catalogue!

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dumedum

If NX is really Wii U's successor and it releases soon, I fear Nintendo will really be doomed this time. Unless that Mobile stuff takes off.

"Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it." This is just the Dreamcast after Saturn. Nintendo has to figure this out because it looks just like that and it will be a complete waste.

I hope I'm wrong but the Wii U platform is great, it has so many games, the amiibo, everything, critically acclaimed exclusive games... just focus on Wii U. Delay any thoughts of successors way into the future. Cancel all these stupid NX plans. I wouldn't release a successor before 2018 or 2019 even.

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Grumblevolcano

@dumedum: As soon as rumours started pointing towards NX release in 2016, I too straight away thought of the Saturn/Dreamcast situation where the Wii U is the Saturn.

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Grumblevolcano

@dumedum: Yeah, especially with the large increase in sales for the Wii U in Japan due to the Splatoon/SMM bundle. There's actually stock shortages, that's how well it's doing. Of course if the rumours for NX unveiling at CES are true, there'll be a lot of Wii U owners who won't be trusting Nintendo with NX simply because they've been burned on the Wii U purchase.

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WebHead

Yeah thinking about it a November 2017 launch would be best, assuming it replaces 3ds and Wii U at the same time. 3DS, though past its peak, still sells a decent amount of hardware per month. Their software sales are still pretty good on both platforms and there's Amiibo as well. They also have billions in the bank so they can easily tough it out until then.

Better that than rush the system with a weak lineup, small stock supply, and an incomplete OS in 2016.

WebHead

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DefHalan

@WebHead: If the NX releases 2017 or later and is a Wii U replacement system, then it needs to be the start of the next generation. It needs to be able to compete with PS5/XB2. No matter what, Nintendo's next console will need to standout and regain a lot of momentum they seem to have lost these past 5 years.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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SuperAndrew2401

Grumblevolcano wrote:

Definitely prior to E3, otherwise the NX will silently fade away into the distance while the Microsoft and Sony conferences take all the glory.

true.Just let them be like 25% better EVERYTHING from the PS4 as in Specs, Gpu, and Cpu. And they might can win now.

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At_Lazuli

dumedum wrote:

If NX is really Wii U's successor and it releases soon, I fear Nintendo will really be doomed this time. Unless that Mobile stuff takes off.

"Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it." This is just the Dreamcast after Saturn. Nintendo has to figure this out because it looks just like that and it will be a complete waste.

I hope I'm wrong but the Wii U platform is great, it has so many games, the amiibo, everything, critically acclaimed exclusive games... just focus on Wii U. Delay any thoughts of successors way into the future. Cancel all these stupid NX plans. I wouldn't release a successor before 2018 or 2019 even.

I'm not against what you said but why does the wii u (worst selling nintendo console) need a longer life span than the wii (best selling nintendo console) 2019 is far fetched 2018 is okay I guess but I think that 2017 is perfect that would be 5 years which is the average life span for a nintendo console

The NX is going to be delayed to Holiday 2017 you heard it here first, also It should be pretty obvious what my favorite game of all time is cough Skyward Sword cough

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skywake

Therad wrote:

Sure, you could still push more pixels and frames, but quite frankly, not many have 4k TVs, and even fewer have them at a distance where they can see the difference between 4k and 1080p. And to output 4k consistently you will need 4 times the pixel throughput, if you want the same frame rate. This is quite hard to archive at the moment, at least to a reasonable price and relative small form factor.

4K TVs are almost as cheap as 1080p screens now. I suspect that in a couple of years you won't have much of a choice when you buy a new TV. It'll be 4K for everything that's not a budget set in the same way that LED backlit screens and 1080p sets took over. By the time the next console generation is in full swing I suspect a fair chunk of users will have 4K displays. I know I for one would probably get a 4K set if my TV blew up today. Probably. A couple of years ago it would have been totally out of the question. Things are moving quick.

As for the required horsepower well, sure. But it's not quite 4x because not everything scales in that way. If PC benchmarks are anything to go by then it's something closer to around 2x. If someone was brave enough to take the 360 strategy to the console race such a console could already be out. With the PS4 strategy we're probably looking at 2018. We're not far away at all from 4K being doable.

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Therad

My TV actully blowed up this year, so I researched it as best I could. One thing with 4k is that you need a freakishly big screen or sit really close to the screen to get the benefit of the extra pixels. Most living room isn't really furnished to do that.
I really couldn't justify a 75" 4k TV, especially since there is no content available here.

You need a quite beefy PC-rig to do 4k right. And it requires loads of cooling, either you have water cooling, or you can be sure it will be loud. Neither are things you want near your TV.

I don't see 4k on the next console gen. Or rather, I see it in the same light as the last gen. Last gen could do 1080p, but most opted for lower resolutions to have higher framerates.

Therad

skywake

@Therad:
These are the prices at one of my local electronics retailers today, brand name TVs:
$600AU - 32" 1080p
$900AU - 40" 1080p
$1000AU - 55" 1080p
$1100AU - 50" 4K
$1400AU - 55" 4K
$1900AU - 65" 4K

2 years ago you would have paid $15,000AU for a 60" 4K set and even last year you would have paid $3000AU or so. So when I say it's not that far away it's for that reason. Whether it "makes sense" at that size or not will be beside the point, 4K is going to be a standard feature. You won't shop around for 4K it'll just be a thing that exists on whatever TV you get.

And as for 4K capable gaming hardware? You'd be surprised. You can do 4K about as well as the PS4 does 1080p with a card like this:
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In a couple of years that card will be about as cheap as the PS4's GPU was when it launched. It's not there yet but it's not far off. And in benchmarks on PC with settings turned up it can do 20-40fps at 4K. Specifically GTA5 (28), Theif (25), Witcher 3 (23), Shadow of Mordor (20), Tomb Raider (39), Bioshock Infinite (34), Battlefield Hardline (21), Alien Isolation (35), Metro Last Light (27), Hitman Abolition (26). So we're not that far off.

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Therad

@skywake: I don't think 4k adaption will be quite slow, I don't think people will upgrade their 1080p for just the rwsolution. It remains to be seen.

And for the gpu, we are in agreement. But I don't think they will meet their power (watt) target and consistently deliver 60 fps in 4k. The ps5 should be out in 2019 if sony keeps it release shedule, they will probably have a 2017 mainstream gpu. The one you linked or one with a bit better specs should be mainstream by then.

Therad

WebHead

Yeah by 2018 4K TVs will be the standard. But I don't think 4K is really worth it for games. I doubt Nintendo can make a 4K capable gaming console without consuming hundreds of watts and be at a reasonable, competitive price point. and PS5 likely ain't launching until 2020 anyway.

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