Topic: Achievements?

I think Nintendo missed out by not including an offline achievement/trophy system. Yes its a bit childish wanting a metascore to brag about but its brought a lot of fun to my gaming friends and myself and I think Nintendo could have done it better than others

Oh that was you. Ya you need to worry about yourself and move on.

As I said, I'll do that, you worry about why you get angry when someone has a conflicting opinion.

Because you were attacking someone who enjoys trophies. That is why I stepped in.

I could easily attack you for not enjoying trophies. But I could care less how you play your games.

I would really like the "option" to have trophies or similar system on Switch. Bottom line: I would buy more third party games on Switch. I use them to see what else I can do in a game once completed to delay my need to buy another. I also use them to reminisce about games I had played previously. On PS4, you can actually set the system up to record the moments before achieving a trophy. Some massive fluke moments have played out which have led to an unlock and I can rewatch these anytime. Finally, I enjoy seeing where my friends are at in game. It fosters a little spirit of competition. I appreciate all of these things are not for everyone, and I get that. For a system to leave them out, however, just seems weird at this point.

Lets look at where you interjected:

I was reacting incredulously to the idea that the lack of achievements is the sole reason that someone wouldn't buy a game or games console. If I were attacking them I would call the whole concept asinine, but I didn't, until now that is. Dissension isn't an attack, disbelief isn't an attack, debate isn't an attack.

@Shellcore "I enjoy seeing where my friends are at in game"

...that's the best part! Not just for the competition (although some obviously use it for that purpose) - but if, for example, you see that your friend has never played a certain multiplayer mode that you think is really fun, you can suggest playing it with them to give them what would be a fresh experience! Most of my friends (myself included) aren't really 'trophy hunters' but, if I see that they haven't played a certain game-mode in Rocket League or GTAV for instance, we can drop in and give it a go for a change of pace ..I wouldn't say that trophies/achievements are totally essential - but seeing what my friends have been up to does peak my interest, so there's definitely some value there

Seeing how you love to use big words, it is clear that you think you are better than everyone. You say it is stupid for people to play or buy games based on trophies. I said you should worry about you and not worry about why people play their games. I also said that I have found some real gems that I never would have played if not for trophies. So now what? Trophy collecting has it's ups and downs just like any other hobby.

You are not participating in anything. Trophies/achievements are mandatory in all games. It is part of the game and you are volunteering when you purchase and play the games. Been like this for 10+ years now. And you can turn off the notifications so that you have no idea that you are unlocking the trophy or achievement.

@Lethal You are participating. When it says '2.8% of players have unlocked this trophy', it's because trophy unlock information is being fed back in to the system...and there's no way to prevent that information from being sent. You can turn off notifications - and you can change your privacy settings so other players cannot see your 'achievements' - but you cannot stop the unlock info from being sent, which is a little 'Big Brother'-ish...

We're talking about achievements, not credit card info. Besides, if a company really wanted, they could probably check your save data without achievements as well.

Forgive me for knowing words longer than two syllables. Looking up a word doesn't make a person stupid, we can't know everything. I'm certainly not better than anyone else for using longer words. I'm not better than anyone for any reason.

Why worry about myself? I'm in a good place. So I should keep blinkers on in regards to all other people? They call that self-absorbed. What you're saying really is "you don't agree with me so shut up."

I've bought some gems because I had some money left over in my wallet. So what? Your point is irrelevant. We both enjoyed them by chance, not because our choice to purchase said games meant anything.

Then how do I stop achievements from triggering? Whether I actively go for an achievement or not, some will still unlock, and I'm still participating.

The Switch would disagree with you. Same with the Wii U, the 3DS and PC (even in Steam they aren't a mandatory inclusion).

So if it became mandatory for all games, my choice is either participate or not play games? [sarcasm]Yeah what a fun path that would be for gaming to take.[/sarcasm]

I'll refer you to the Steam pic I supplied earlier.

FYI, I'm going to bed now, take your time with your reply.

@MarcelRguez Please could you give an example of when trophies have been used in lieu of actual rewards. Been thinking on this and struggling to be honest. MK8 - Gold Parts GT - Credits for cars + trophies. I guess what I'm getting at is bad developers are bad developers. Trophies don't really play into the development cycle - more of an afterthought.

@BinaryFragger I'd prefer the term debate. Everything apart from eating, sleeping, working and reproducing is now off limits then I guess. No passion allowed! It's about individual preferences on ways to improve the hobby. No matter your stance, surely furthering enjoyment of your spare time is worth a couple of posts in a forum.

@BinaryFragger I agree. I can be guilty of this at times. There shouldn't be a need to prove correctness, more a willingness to share the reasons behind preferences.

I miss good old fashioned unlocks. Achievements are a nuisance to me. They interrupt the flow of gameplay, and many of them are either for things that are basic like playtime or completing a tutorial or they are for a game play feature I'm likely not to use such as co-op. I don't personally need virtual badges to boast how well I may or may not play a game and all they do is contribute to a more cluttered OS gui. However like everything else that is consumer mainstream I'll wait until its forced upon me and decide then if it is worth the hassle.

Nobody said anything about credit card info...and that wasn't even the point. @Lethal said (rather assertively) that you don't have to participate - when, in fact, the opposite is true...the information is sent automatically and there is no way to opt out - so, by definition, whether you're doing it actively or passively, you're participating. To say otherwise is factually incorrect, that's all.

My point about it being 'Big Brother-ish' (note the 'ish') was that there is no way to opt out of the information being sent - nothing more, nothing less - I wasn't insinuating that XBL/PSN are some kind of inescapable Orwellian nightmares...just that, when somebody is categorically saying that you don't have to participate, it isn't strictly true. Regardless of whether you perceive it to be a reasonable or unreasonable amount of data, the data still gets sent.

Hello! McFly! They are mandatory. All Xbox and Playstation games have trophies and achievements. They are mandatory. So you are not participating in anything. They are part of the game. That is like saying you are not wanting to participate in a certain level of the game then COMPLAIN about it.

@MarcelRguez The difference between completing all the shrines and collecting all the Korok seeds in Zelda, one gets you another outfit, the gets you nothing. That difference already exists in games since forever. Some games have worthless collectibles, others get you a neat bonus item/skill.

That is the entire point of that game man. It is a $.99 joke that pokes fun at trophy collecting. It is also a cash grab as everyone who collects trophies has paid the $1 to get the trophies.

There are thousands of games with very challenging trophies. That is why it is hard to get the platinum trophy in most games. I have 96 platinum trophies out of the 700+ games I have played.

I do not care what you or anyone else dislikes. Don't chase trophies if you do not like them. Quit complaining about it. Any rational adult knows they do not have to go after the trophies in a game. Put your big boy pants on and play the games however you choose.

not read the rest of this thread but i think achievements are definately a good thing, they will push people that think they are done with the game to play it more and plus you know you wanna have more points than your friends, its a competitive thing