The one, and only, small benefit of the doubt I'll give Nintendo is that they don't permanently reduce prices for their games anymore, and thus better versions of 60 dollar games being 70 at least makes some coherent sense, especially for newer games. I felt the same about FFVII remake on PS5, new content, better function, was the most justified 70 dollar game. (TOTK is 2nd most, because it is BOTW but way more on the exact same system)
I do feel that the upgrade should be free outside of Kirby and Mario Party that are actually adding new things to the game other than "runs and looks a bit better", but at least there is some logic and consistency to new versions of these games. I will not defend this on any other basis though.
Nintendo is basically creating a 3DS style situation again. I had a feeling that they were going to get cocky and drunk off of their own hubris when it came to the Switch 2, given how successful the first console was. I get a feeling that only enthusiasts are going to purchase the system at launch (especially given the titles they had to show off), and the casual fanbase won't buy-in due to how expensive the games are. I know a few people who were excited for the console but then saw the prices and turned around on it.
I'd give it a year honestly. Nintendo is probably going to end up lowering the price in order to get more casuals on-board with it like they did with the 3DS when it cost more than the Wii.
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It's $80 for digital, $90 for physical for mario kart. $70 for digital, $80 for physical for donkey kong. I think they're testing the market and seeing what they can get away with. If people buy this a whole lot of other game developers will likely follow suit.
Nintendo is basically creating a 3DS style situation again. I had a feeling that they were going to get cocky and drunk off of their own hubris when it came to the Switch 2, given how successful the first console was. I get a feeling that only enthusiasts are going to purchase the system at launch (especially given the titles they had to show off), and the casual fanbase won't buy-in due to how expensive the games are. I know a few people who were excited for the console but then saw the prices and turned around on it.
I'd give it a year honestly. Nintendo is probably going to end up lowering the price in order to get more casuals on-board with it like they did with the 3DS when it cost more than the Wii.
In the long term I agree, but 3DS had no games anyone really cared about at launch (or until November outside of N64 remakes), and Switch is launching with the first brand new mainline Mario Kart in 11 years and a ton of big games at or near launch. Clear difference.
It's not gonna live up to their high expectations, but I'd be surprised if it was actively a failure.
@kkslider5552000 I don't think it'll fail, but I don't think that Mario Kart is going to give casuals (the primary audience) a reason to buy a system that's really expensive. Especially in this economy, where people struggle to keep their families fed in the first place.
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It would admittedly be very funny if I chose to not buy a Switch 2 year 1 (which has been my plan for a long while anyway) and then in the meanwhile it becomes cheaper in time for me to get one.
People tend to spend a lot on entertainment even when the economy is in the trash. Even though I think $80 is fairly outrageous, especially when full games on PS5 aren't even that much, I still think people will buy the games.
Video games are already some of the best value per dollar spend of any form of entertainment. If you play a game for 100 hours, that's less than a dollar per hour of entertainment. 25 hours and it's still less than $5/hr.
Still, I don't love that Nintendo are the ones setting a the precedent for the new standard price of games going forward. Something feels wrong about paying a cashier almost $100 for a Kirby or Pokemon game. I mean, I barely want to spend $60 on a Pokemon game today (yet I still do...)
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I’ll quickly add something to this. I don’t understand why corporations say they have to pass on the tariffs to consumers. They got a corporate tax cut and that savings didn’t get passed onto consumers. So companies should offset the tariffs increase by tax cut savings first and if they have to, passed on the net increase.
They don't have to pass the costs onto consumers. The CEOs could take a pay cut. Any of the overpaid upper management could take a pay cut. But why would they do that when they could... Pass costs onto consumers?
They could just like, not have profits increase every year - if you're already making a profit, that's great! Be satisfied! Endless growth is unobtainable. But shareholders wouldn't like that. And big, important men in suits think they deserve 100x the pay of the workers who actually perform the labor to produce the goods.
Also important - consumers continue to spend even as prices increase. It's all a game of paying workers as little as possible while being able to maintain a workforce, and charging consumers as much as possible while maintaining sales.
All so that a handful of people maintain wealth and power while the little, fake numbers making up their net worth continue to rise beyond what any rational human would ever be able to spend.
Sometimes I sit around and think about how my money is basically just some value in a database. I never see cash, I just see the number in my bank account jump up twice a month, and then see it slowly decrease as I pay rent so I have shelter and purchase necessary goods to survive, along with some extra goodies here and there to make this existence more bearable. All just numbers in a computer. We trade our minds and bodies for most of our waking hours just to make the numbers go up. And people live and die by these numbers because we all agree they're important. Your numbers aren't big enough? Out on the streets with you! No food for you! Ignore the fact that we have more than enough resources to feed and house everyone, we play by the numbers in this world! Fun times!
Anyway yeah, big numbers on Switch 2 price tags too big. Numbers should be smaller.
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As expensive as some of these are, and they are, I think they could've been a bit clearer in their messaging. Especially around some of the Switch 2 Edition games and upgrades. I had assumed that the way it was described all enhanced versions of games would be charged DLC. $30 each or something. Which was nuts
But then I dive into it further and it seems there are a whole bunch of games getting patches that are just no charge at all. Link's Awakening HD, Clubhouse Games, ARMs, Super Mario Odyssey, Pokemon Scarlet/Violet. All free. Which is good and, honestly, kinda what I expected. The stuff that's paid enhancements? They all seem to be an enhancement patch which includes additional content
Then I was looking at it and thinking "well that's nice, but the BotW/TotK patches are just an app and I'm not super fussed about that". So I look at the trailer for that again, which is deeper than what was in the Direct. And it's actually..... fairly significant.... not something I care about but significant. So I can see why they're charging. But even better, no charge if you have NSO+
......... I'm ok with this, this isn't too bad
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Like others, this puts such a downer on things. I am going to be VERY selective now. Birthday and Christmas gift for myself kind of thing and maybe one sometimes somewhere in between MAYBE. Last year I got TTYD, Mario Vs. Donkey Kong, Peach Showtime, Brothership and Sonic X Shadow.......and it didn't break the bank. With CEX trade ins and the voucher scheme, that was around 140 pounds.
If these were Switch 2 games, we would be talking 350 odd pounds here. That is a lot.
So while I will get a Switch 2...I think I will still be buying more old Switch 1 games for the most part!
I think a lot of the backlash stemmed from some misreporting on prices. It seems like European pricing came out first, then the equivalent US pricing was deduced from that which led to people like Tom Henderson and Geoff Keighley incorrectly reporting that Switch 2 games are all $80USD digital, $90 physical. Mario Kart is $80USD for both physical and digital, DK is $70.
If Nintendo had revealed that Hyrule Warriors was $70 and Kirby at $60 there'd be significantly less backlash, as it would be clear that Mario Kart is an exception and not the standard for new games.
That does not surprise me. I remember when the NSO Expansion Pass came out, because Nintendo didn't communicate the best part of NSO (the family plan), it just seemed like they more than doubled the cost for about 25 video game rom and one Animal Crossing DLC, and other stuff came out beyond the actual problems with N64 NSO. (which barring a few exceptions afterwards was mostly lagging gameplay (I forget the exact term, its late) for a couple of games and not emulating fog and other effects correctly.)
...it was still a bad launch for the service tbh and those issues never should've happened, but between people spreading rumors, not knowing how this works, and a misunderstanding of how much time and effort has gone to make fan made emulation...good but still worse than other systems for N64, made it seem worse than it was.
For me personally, I’m not that bothered by the pricing. I don’t own the original Switch, so there are plenty of games I haven’t played and can pick up cheap.
I expected the console price to be around €450, so I can live with the actual price of €469.
€90 for Mario Kart World is a steep price, but I’ll probably get the bundle with the console anyway.
The price is totally fair. Same price we had 30 years ago (n64). 50-60$ for so long is crazy with inflation.
Most people can afford buying alot of games, many have huuuge backlogs. Maybe the new price will make more people think before buying, and then developers need to make sure games are quality before selling.
But tbh.. Even 80$ wont stop people from buying more than they need.
And have to remember that Nintendo has also made it Cheaper for familys now that u can share games. So in a way, its become cheaper this generation….
Console price is cheap. With this World economy, inflation etc etc… its a very nice price.
Was looking at old adverts after the direct and saw on a Toys R US advertisement that Sonic 3 was 60$… in 1994. So like … 130$ nowadays ? Any people from the 90’s having memories of buying games I’d love to hear more.
To be fair game development nowadays is a lot longer and expensive budget wise. The Ps1 having discs probably was a big factor in lowering the production cost but it does not surprise me they are increasing in this economy.
I feel like a lot of people forget that wages haven't caught up with modern inflation. That effectively our money is worth less, and things are getting more expensive along with it. Your average family isn't going to have the money to buy a switch 2 when they're living paycheck to paycheck. This is the reality that a majority of Nintendo's casual playerbase is facing- and it's only going to get worse as inflation gets higher and higher due to the ongoing trade-war. Gaming is going to become a rich person's hobby, while the average citizen will be placed into outright poverty by the rate of things.
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Was looking at old adverts after the direct and saw on a Toys R US advertisement that Sonic 3 was 60$… in 1994. So like … 130$ nowadays ? Any people from the 90’s having memories of buying games I’d love to hear more.
Switch 1 with Breath of the Wild cost me £309 (including a retailer discount) on Day 1.
Switch 2 with Mario Kart World would cost me what on Day 1 - £450?
That's a heck of a jump. And it doesn't make me feel good. £400 with MKW I could consider, but unless there's some juicy discounts to be found somewhere, I won't want to buy Day 1.
Probably a good thing for me though. I could do with a good reason to slow the growth of my backlog, and this is it. Feel a bit sad to be dropping out of the cutting edge of the Nintendo scene, but it had to happen someday.
The argument that games used to cost more, relatively, during the SNES-N64-GameCube period, doesn't work for me. Consoles were too expensive for me to feel the cost was justified. And while I can better afford them now, I need them less (less time to play, more backlog to entertain myself with).
I feel similarly, I'll be sad to miss out on Mario Kart and Donkey Kong at launch but I think I'd rather wait and see if there are better deals on the console and games after a while. Gives me a chance to play more games on Switch 1 and other systems in the meantime, and hopefully a more appealing colour scheme for Switch 2 will come along by the time I'm ready to buy one.
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