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Topic: What can fans can do to help get a game localized?

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ollietaro

I just recently made a GIF for my profile picture in hopes it will help to convince CAPCOM to localize "Dai Gyakuten Saiban: Naruhodō Ryūnosuke no Bōken" AKA "The Great Ace Attorney" for the Nintendo 3DS for North American and European release. Please take it and GIF-bomb Capcom's official Twitter and Facebook accounts. I contribute it among the fan efforts to let CAPCOM know we want this game. I also signed the petition to have the game localized. Is there anything else that we can do that is under our control to help convince companies to license games?

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DefHalan

Twitter is a more powerful tool than people realize. Facebook too.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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JaxonH

This is a good topic of discussion.

We should discuss the various methods, which is easiest and has biggest impact, and how they might need to differ depending on developer.

Twitter is first that comes to my mind. But there has to be a concerted effort. One or two people tweeting every month isn't gonna cut it. They need to see mass tweets in a short time frame. How to organize such a movement is the real question.

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LzWinky

Get together and start some operation. While it's hard to objectively quantify the success of Op. Rainfall, it had to have some impact on NoA's decisions.

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DefHalan

@JaxonH the games that don't get a lot of tweets aren't popular enough to justify localizations. Getting people to organize events can help, I have seen YouTubers organize events like these, but the games still need enough people wanting it to happen. It also depends on the company and game in question. We won't get mother 3 until Nintendo lets us have it, no matter how much people demand it lol

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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CanisWolfred

DefHalan wrote:

Twitter is a more powerful tool than people realize. Facebook too.

...for better or for worse...

Also, @Jaxonh, it does not need to be a "concerted effort". If there's demand, there's demand. These guys aren't stupid enough that they'd fail to notice a few people are the only ones tweeting about incessantly. You can't force these things. Contacting the companies directly cetainly helps, but a lot of them have people looking at emails, Facebook, even the comment sections of certain popular websites...they need to see that the interest is fairly broad. So the answer to the question is simple: just keep talking about it. Don't be pushy, but it's something you think other people might like, don't keep it to yourself. It's practically common sense, and we all do it without thinking about it. If you're really that concerned, try to go to bigger websites to talk about it - not just advertise it, discuss it. It's really not that complicated.

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JaxonH

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I agree if there's demand there's demand, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will manifest itself visibly.

For example, if there's a game most fans figure will never be localized, they'll just ignore articles about it or talk about it. Some will, some always will, but I myself know that if a game is likely to remain in Japan, I'll just forget it exists. But if I think there's a chance, I'll follow any article about it (like MH Stories, for example).

And I think each fanbase differs. The PS/Xbox base is very vocal about what they want. And large sales to back it up. With the Nintendo base, it's a small vocal minority, and it almost never materializes into worthwhile sales. And a lot of it is outrage and anger rather than calm expression of a desire or want. So it's harder, I imagine, for companies to gage the actual demand of this fanbase. Cause what people kick up hell about usually fails to sell when followed through on.

I think a lot of people would buy MH Stories. Probably the entire MH fanbase and half the 3DS RPG fanbase as well. Almost everyone I've spoken to says it looks good, even if they're not MH fans. Yet no petition, no outcry for the game. This fanbase is very passive about their wants (aside from the super vocal minority). Now, that game we'll likely get anyways but, what if we don't? Could we have changed that outcome had we actually demonstrated some level of concerted effort to demonstrate that pent up demand?

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God so loved the world He sent His only Son- whoever believes on Him has eternal life. Unless you believe, you will die in your sins. Whoever believes, rivers of living water flow within them. John

CanisWolfred

@JaxonH For the most part, I do agree with you. Except for Monster Hunter Stories. That looks like Brontosaurus doo-doo. Also, Capcom, more than any other company, even moreso than Sega or Bamco, has left more games in Japan that shouldn't have been left in Japan (usually because they'd require some effort to translate), while localizing/developing crap for the Western Audience. The fans, as you've implied, had to fight in order to get more Ace Attorney games in the west, and I really wish that would change, but I think Capcom USA/EU just never had these text-heavy games as part of their localization plans, and have been slow to keep up with demand. Ace Attorney 6 is apparently being developed with localization in mind, so I think they're starting to get the hang of it, but then there's Monster Hunter, which we almost always seem to be a year behind on...

It's not just Nintendo Capcom fans that are getting the shaft in the west, either - Monster Hunter started out on Playstation platforms, but they haven't gotten a single bone ever since Tri was moved to the Wii, even when they had Monster Hunter Online Z and Monster Hunter Portable 3rd just sitting there waiting for a full English translation...and the fans started picking up the slack...

Anyways, I guess the main thing I disagree with is the approach. I don't think you can force these things. At the end of the day, companies are just a bunch of people, and people have limits. You can make demands all you want, but you're never going to get everything you want. That doesn't mean you should stop making demands, after all, a company's job is to fulfill a need, but don't push it too far with these "operations" and other mob tactics. That accomplishes nothing. What they need to see is that you and other fans genuinely, honestly want it.

So basically: Just keep doing what you're doing, because the real changes we need have to come from within the companies (Capcom, Nintendo, Square-Enix, etc.) themself, increasing their localization budgets, hiring more translators, and having JP staff on-hand to help localize instead of immediately moving people on to the next project once they're out the door. Fan demand will definitely help, but it works on a bell-curve, just like any form of demand.

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JaxonH

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"Monster Hunter Stories... looks like Brontosaurus doo-do"

Blasphemy

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ollietaro

Funny, I'm a MonHun fan yet I couldn't care less if Stories gets a localization, or not.

The worst I can feel is disappointment if The Great Ace Attorney never gets a proper English release. However, I will also be the first to admit that if CAPCOM doesn't say diddly about localizing this game for a long time, I will purchase the Japanese copy and apply the English fanslation patch as soon as it's out. Either way, I'm playing this game.

Whether or not fan efforts can actually sway companies and the fact that an English fanslation is in progress are not reasons to stay silent and do nothing about it. I think other fans who want it should do the same.

Why did Professor Layton VS Phoenix Wright get a physical release since it was a spinoff? Two notable franchises, sure, but wasn't there doubt on CAPCOM's part whether or not it would have done well?

PS. And no one has said diddly about my kooky GIF that I took all of Saturday and half of Sunday to make

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CanisWolfred

ollietaro wrote:

Why did Professor Layton VS Phoenix Wright get a physical release since it was a spinoff? Two notable franchises, sure, but wasn't there doubt on CAPCOM's part whether or not it would have done well?

There was. That's why they shifted all of the responsibility to Nintendo.

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ollietaro

@CanisWolfred So they can shift all responsibility to Nintendo again, then. Do you think this could happen?

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ollietaro

I must cite the localization of Dragon Quest VII 3DS that involved a successful fan-driven effort. Fans of Ace Attorney can certainly emulate this.

From siliconera:

"...there was a lot of strong feedback from fans, especially a group of core players from France, that continuously sent letters to Square Enix and Nintendo, asking for a localization for the West. They also saw how many people wanted the game from the petitions that were out there over the years.

After realizing its high demand from the passionate fans abroad, Square Enix decided to give in and go through with the localization for the fans." (http://www.siliconera.com/2016/06/15/dragon-quest-vii-getting-localized-thanks-voices-western-fans/)

I might just buy DQVII in support of my fellow fans. Even though I am neutral on Dragon Quest, I wouldn't mind playing this RPG. If the game proves to be a success in the West, hopefully it will change minds and help build more confidence in games that are not a sure sell in the West.

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CanisWolfred

ollietaro wrote:

@CanisWolfred So they can shift all responsibility to Nintendo again, then. Do you think this could happen?

It could, if Nintendo felt it was worth their while. Honestly, considering Nintendo is the sole international publisher for Professor Layton, I don't think Capcom could've published PLxPW even if they wanted to.

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ollietaro

I'm still not sure that buying Ace Attorney games will send the message that we want the spinoff b/c it's a spinoff. Buying Ace Attorney games in your area only sends the message that we want the main games. They are skeptical about localizing spinoffs b/c of the 'Investigations' sales figures.

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CanisWolfred

ollietaro wrote:

I'm still not sure that buying Ace Attorney games will send the message that we want the spinoff b/c it's a spinoff. Buying Ace Attorney games in your area only sends the message that we want the main games. They are skeptical about localizing spinoffs b/c of the 'Investigations' sales figures.

They were skeptical because the DS was on its way out, and AA's sales were supposedly declining. I mean, there's a lot more to it, but ignoring the main series isn't exactly going to send a positive messege, either...

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ollietaro

@Barbiegurl777 I assume you're going to buy an EU physical copy of Teddy Together and play it using Homebrew on your NA 3DS or else you do have an EU 3DS?

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ollietaro

@CanisWolfred I am just torn between buying Spirit of Justice now or waiting for a sale. It is $10.00 more than Dual Destinies' launch price was. (39.99 CAD up from 29.99 CAD). Also, I don't know if Capcom is looking at launch sales of Spirit of Justice as a strong indicator of demand for DGS (Dai Gyakuten Saiban).

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