@AndreaF96 Well now you're just changing the game. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, no one is arguing that. That doesn't mean saying what they said still wasn't rude.
Besides, I'm not even sure the "criticism" thing holds up here. They weren't even really criticizing the article. It was more of a general statement on their perceived state of journalism that just also happened to say that writers here weren't journalists.
And I'm going to leave it at that because I feel like this probably isn't going to lead anywhere.
@AndreaF96 That is a poorly conceived argument. And just because you think something was "sufficiently argued" doesn't make it not rude. That's not how it works.
Regardless of what someone expects out of journalism, by the way, a journalist by definition is just someone that reports on news. Your expectations of what you're reading don't change that. I refuse to call a Subway employee a Sandwich artist but I'm not going to walk into Subway and tell that to someone because that would be rude. Funny, sure, but still rude.
@AndreaF96 Calling someone's profession into question absolutely is rude. It doesn't sound like he was trying to be rude which is... odd. Specifically odd that somehow he didn't realize that was, in fact, rude.
Imagine if someone walked into your job or someone else's and falsely claimed you weren't what you claimed to be. Sounds pretty rude. Talk about a total lack of empathy.
@Tuulenpoika That wasn't really my point. My point is more that heralding someone as "brave" for basically trying to incite anger and negativity at someone else is not something to celebrate. I mean - unless that person actually deserves it. You know, because they actually did something that was morally reprehensible like kicking a puppy or something.
@Tuulenpoika I think calling his take on this "brave" sets sort of a dangerous precedence. Gamers should be responsible with their money and be sure they make educated purchases.
He's not the only one to think, or say openly, that underdelivering on a game is a crap practice.
There are a lot of issues that need to be cleaned up in the game development space: a lack of diversity, harassment, crunch culture, etc. A dev getting excited over their project and misrepresenting the final product, most likely not with malicious intent in any of the specified scenarios (except possibly for Cyberpunk through no fault of the devs), is certainly unpleasant but hardly damning.
It's an odd rallying cry to try to drum up what apparently should be an unyielding anger towards these devs. To each their own, but I do think this line of thinking is indicative of a bigger issue.
I think this is a really poor and irresponsible take.
I'm not touching on Molyneaux because that guy really is a special case, though I don't think he purposefully tried to mislead people.
My primary concern here is something that stretches outside of game development, and that is apparently "forgive and forget" shouldn't be an acceptable course of action? Do gamers really need more cynicism and vitriol? Forget gamers specifically - do people need that?
Whether or not Hello Games made up for their mistakes (which I very much believe they did) is sort of not the point here. Is the idea that we should all just be bitter, vindictive a-holes? One wrong move and your on humanity's blacklist?
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Re: Ori Director Criticises "Snake Oil Salesmen" Behind No Man's Sky, Cyberpunk, And Fable
@AndreaF96 Well now you're just changing the game. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, no one is arguing that. That doesn't mean saying what they said still wasn't rude.
Besides, I'm not even sure the "criticism" thing holds up here. They weren't even really criticizing the article. It was more of a general statement on their perceived state of journalism that just also happened to say that writers here weren't journalists.
And I'm going to leave it at that because I feel like this probably isn't going to lead anywhere.
Re: Ori Director Criticises "Snake Oil Salesmen" Behind No Man's Sky, Cyberpunk, And Fable
@AndreaF96 That is a poorly conceived argument. And just because you think something was "sufficiently argued" doesn't make it not rude. That's not how it works.
Regardless of what someone expects out of journalism, by the way, a journalist by definition is just someone that reports on news. Your expectations of what you're reading don't change that. I refuse to call a Subway employee a Sandwich artist but I'm not going to walk into Subway and tell that to someone because that would be rude. Funny, sure, but still rude.
Re: Ori Director Criticises "Snake Oil Salesmen" Behind No Man's Sky, Cyberpunk, And Fable
@AndreaF96 Calling someone's profession into question absolutely is rude. It doesn't sound like he was trying to be rude which is... odd. Specifically odd that somehow he didn't realize that was, in fact, rude.
Imagine if someone walked into your job or someone else's and falsely claimed you weren't what you claimed to be. Sounds pretty rude. Talk about a total lack of empathy.
Re: Ori Director Criticises "Snake Oil Salesmen" Behind No Man's Sky, Cyberpunk, And Fable
@Tuulenpoika That wasn't really my point. My point is more that heralding someone as "brave" for basically trying to incite anger and negativity at someone else is not something to celebrate. I mean - unless that person actually deserves it. You know, because they actually did something that was morally reprehensible like kicking a puppy or something.
Re: Ori Director Criticises "Snake Oil Salesmen" Behind No Man's Sky, Cyberpunk, And Fable
@Tuulenpoika I think calling his take on this "brave" sets sort of a dangerous precedence. Gamers should be responsible with their money and be sure they make educated purchases.
He's not the only one to think, or say openly, that underdelivering on a game is a crap practice.
There are a lot of issues that need to be cleaned up in the game development space: a lack of diversity, harassment, crunch culture, etc. A dev getting excited over their project and misrepresenting the final product, most likely not with malicious intent in any of the specified scenarios (except possibly for Cyberpunk through no fault of the devs), is certainly unpleasant but hardly damning.
It's an odd rallying cry to try to drum up what apparently should be an unyielding anger towards these devs. To each their own, but I do think this line of thinking is indicative of a bigger issue.
Re: Ori Director Criticises "Snake Oil Salesmen" Behind No Man's Sky, Cyberpunk, And Fable
I think this is a really poor and irresponsible take.
I'm not touching on Molyneaux because that guy really is a special case, though I don't think he purposefully tried to mislead people.
My primary concern here is something that stretches outside of game development, and that is apparently "forgive and forget" shouldn't be an acceptable course of action? Do gamers really need more cynicism and vitriol? Forget gamers specifically - do people need that?
Whether or not Hello Games made up for their mistakes (which I very much believe they did) is sort of not the point here. Is the idea that we should all just be bitter, vindictive a-holes? One wrong move and your on humanity's blacklist?
Yeah, dude - I'd say you're bitter.