Random: Uh Oh, It Looks Like Steam Deck And Switch Might Have One Thing In Common

You gotta be kidding me...well at least Valve may try and actually fix the issue.

Give me the beat boys, and free my soul...

I knew it's bound to happen sooner or later. Like I said in past post, our modern controllers and handhelds nowadays had so many bells and whistles in them now that soon input lags and stick drifts will become the norm whether we like it or not. There's no permanent solution to this issue anymore. It's bound to happen at some point, just do the obvious thing and keep fixing it when it does.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Put down that White Wine Spritzer Gabe Newell. No celebrating just yet. This is like the Switch Lites having drift. At least Joy-Cons are modular and can be replaced.

Oh my lord are you serious??

This is after about a week. There is something endemic about how these controllers are made and how they are used that is causing problems.

At least you can replace Joy- Cons..

Reading through the Reddit post it seems some users are fixing this by re-calibrating the deadzone.

That's awkward after they claimed it wouldn't happen......I think?

Yeah! Let’s get them by posting nasty comments!

@Joeynator3000 A bit harsh if you consider that Nintendo fix joy-con drift for free.
Note: I am NOT defending Nintendo; their treatment of the issue is undoubtedly shocking but it COULD be worse

I absolutely look forward to Valve 1-upping Nintendo and fixing this issue before long and doing an amazing job of it.

...not that I really expect it, but it would certainly be a nice statement towards the big N.

A common thing for Steam Deck and Switch Lite, to be precise.🙀

@chapu2006 Yeah and everyone who got their joycons "fixed" started drifting again shortly after. lol

This seems very quick. Some people must be really rough with their controllers.

Well duh, it happens on every single analog stick on a modern controller. There really is only one way they make them.

It's like when you're an IT guy and tell the end user the problem is definitely fixed and won't happen again. Then it does. Yeesh!

If it's that quick, I'm more prone to think it's a default in those units, not a global problem.

Even with the Switch, you gotta play for months before it happens!

Designer John Ikeda talking about being no stick drift is aging well. I see a lawsuit

Am I a bad person for finding this hysterically funny?

@YANDMAN Actually they didn't. They did make a video showing how to replace the joysticks. And they will start selling replacement parts through ifxit.

What this article doesn't say is there are multiple fixes available already.

This is the advantage to letting consumers modify the software and files of the device - consumers can fix their own issues faster than the company can add a patch/fix.

Nintendo on the other hand would never allow this - mailing in Joycons and waiting for a replacement is their method.

@Joeynator3000 It hasn't happened to me. But if you are right, then you do make a valid point.

So is there just something added in all the knew controllers now that makes them drift?

And yes, all controllers drift, but I have had a ps3 controller for years, and it’s just fine, a ps4 controller for a good chunk of its lifespan, and it’s just started drifting.

You only need to own these things for a few months before they start up, is it just the way there made or are they getting cheaper with the parts? I doubt it’s the last one, unless that what I want to believe.

@Yorumi
So it is ok for steamdeck sticks to drift but not switch?

@Snatcher
From what I have seen steamdeck sticks are easy to replace. But at the same time so are joy con sticks. And I know that from personal experience

@blindsquarel is that what Yorumi said? Read it again.

@blindsquarel well it is a handheld pc, so let’s hope people can mod the joysticks and fix the issue themselves.

My Xenoblade Pro controller drifts, I have a couple ps2 controllers that drift, and a 360 drifter. It happens to every consoles controller I would assume. Now we have to wait and see if it's joycon drift levels of failure, or just bad luck for a minority.

It doesn't look good though for valve, seeing as this person's deck hasn't been used for more than a month probably.

Good thing you can detach the Steam Deck's controllers, ship them to Valve, and have them fixed for free...

Wait...

This is such an embarrassing time for the gaming industry. Imagine if early personal computers had mice that drifted all over the place. Or if the Famicom had a faulty d-pad.

This is THE way you interact with these platforms. How they could sell this out for cheaper/smaller components is beyond me. Nintendo, Sony, Valve, have all lost the plot.

Now it is an issue that they are drifting so fast. The good thing is that valve has made it easy to replace the part but I would have expected the drifting issues to appear a few months down the line not in a few days.

I am still looking forward when I get mine (after 2Q but pre-ordered it around 2 weeks when they opened).

@tylerryan79 It's hard to tell if Nintendo's re-calibration options are just weak compared to other consoles or if Jocyon drift actually requires a hardware replacement.

On Xbox, I get drift every 3-4 months or so, and using the re-calibration settings fixes it every time so far. Strange it's just not that simple for Switch and they almost always require a replacement.

@Snatcher Valve has made the system super easy to replace the parts with the teardown videos they have shown. The only part that is difficult to replace is the battery as it is glued to the system.

I'm just kind of confused as to why stick drift is a problem now. I've been playing games for years, and drift wasn't much of an issue back then. All of my older controllers still work fine.

@swoose You're comparing a time when tech are still simple in their design compare to now where techs are more complex and advance. By having complex products nowadays, you're bound to expect to have issues with multiple features. Stick drift is just one of many. The more features we add to our controllers, the more issues we're likely to see. All we need to do is learn to fix it ourselves. There's no permanent way of fixing it. Even if you believe the issue is fix, it'll resurface sooner or later.

@westman98 Except Valve's hardware doesn't require you to mail in controllers each time they drift. Neither does Xbox. They let you fix it yourself in most cases.

Nintendo is the only one I know of that has such widespread drift without the ability to fix that it requires you to mail them in. All other controllers can be fixed with re-calibration or software updates.

You're acting as if joystick drift with any device requires you to mail it in, but that's just Nintendo's policy and inability to self-resolve the issue. This is one of the Switch's biggest weaknesses and you're talking about it like it's somehow a strength just because the joycons are detachable.

Fixing the issue in 5-10 minutes with re-calibration is ideal compared to waiting weeks for replacements.

@SilentHunter382 That’s really cool!

At least the deck is user friendly and easy to replace buttons, thumbstick, Dpad etc. Cheaper than a new Joycon.

@N00BiSH It's because the sticks are "better" in that they're more sensitive with smaller deadzones for more precise control...which means they're also more vulnerable to drift because the system is going to register it as an "input".

Whereas the older ones like N64 controllers will have a lot more leeway before they start registering drift as an actual input.

The only people who act like it's exclusive to the Switch and not all modern controllers are just people who think if they yell loud enough people will only think it impacts the systems they complain about and not the one they like. Now they're left coming up with lame excuses for the Steamdeck's drift when they themselves are the ones who stigmatised it in the first place.

@westman98
According to @Astral-Grain (comment#24) there are fixes without needing to mail them apparently.

Not sure if its a temporary fix or not, you would have to ask them.

@Astral-Grain There's nothing wrong with mailing drift joycons to Nintendo if you can't fix it yourself. Just be glad that's an option. Remember not all of Nintendo's audience are tech savvy so it make sense that the option is there. If little Mikey or granny May couldn't figure out how to fix a drift joycon after a session of Clubhouse 51, then why is sending the drift joycons to Nintendo to fix being an issue? Simple it's not, everyone deserve a helping hand sometimes, stop making a negative out of a positive.

@Astral-Grain actually your wrong. Drift is drift period then you have calibration drift or bad component drift. Also no company allows you to fix your controllers yourself that is your choice and voids any warranty at all and second the fix is literally the same for all of them.

@Dr_Lugae Do you think this problem would be fixed if they added a dead zone adjustment setting in all games?

Because I have noticed some switch games making characters have larger dead zones.

My Gamecube controllers don’t drift and they’ve taken a beating! Am I doing something wrong or is the GC controller the best ever?!

@Mgalens @westman98

Feel free to look at the many article about this, but this Reddit thread discusses how to fix this through calibration. Like all things, in the most severe cases, it could require a replacement, but it's nowhere near as common as Joycon.

LINK: https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/t49415/unfortunately_im_already_experiencing_stick_drift/

@Astral-Grain Xbox controllers are not as sensitive as Nintendo’s which allows for drift to be more dominant just like with the steam deck most likely. When a controller is more precise in its movement it will be subject to drift more. A great example of this would be the game Greak. With the switch if you turn down the sensitivity it works fine but Xbox doesn’t need that. Nintendo has literally provided a more sensitive and more accurate joystick is all. As for recalibrating it’s can work or not on either system. I have actually had my Xbox controllers do it where I have had to take them apart but I have had no issues with my switch controllers also. Nintendo literally replaces your controller and not fix it if you have drift for free. That’s more than any other company has done.

Still not drift on my Switch Lite after 750 hours of play time.

@Yorumi if you open that system you void your warranty period, read the warranty disclaimers. They can say we encourage you to do it all they want but if you do warranties are null and void. Valve is scamming the community by doing this.

Haha, the naughty kid got caught copying off the smart kid in the exam, only the smart kid had the wrong answer in the first place.

Will be interesting to see if that Redditor's Steam Deck's analog sticks are actually drifting or if they are just poorly calibrated.

@Dirty0814
"Drift is drift period"

So if I experience drift on Xbox controller and then fix this drift by re-calibrating in the settings - then I didn't actually fix the drift myself? This is how you fix drift on like all other controllers besides Joycons.

If you owned other gaming devices besides Switch, I don't think you'd say something so incredibly wrong.

@Dirty0814 Interesting way to turn a negative into a positive.

So it's because Nintendo's Joycons are so much more sensitive than other controllers - this is the reason it needs to be sent in for a replacement 90% of the time, and this is a good thing?

Xbox and other controllers are inferior because they're not as sensitive as a Joycon? Are they also inferior for having the ability to fix drift in the calibration settings in 5-10 minutes versus waiting weeks for a replacement?

Stop being loyal to one side, you can have love for Nintendo and also admit they have the worst drift issue among all other controllers.

@Dirty0814 valve has stated "opening the steamdeck DOES NOT void the warranty. But damaging the components inside, due to user ineptitude, will void the warranty"

I never said you did fix it yourself. I explained that a switch joycon stick is more sensitive and accurate and that some drift with any system can be fixed with calibrating but some cannot. No controller or component is the same and all have different issues basically. Kind of like you not being able to read evidently.

No drift on my 10 years OLED Vita either. And I've played at least 1500 hours on that one (and the sticks are extremely responsive IMO).

But then again I've always kept my handhelds in soft- or hardcases when not using them (except for my 3DSs and my old battered PSP which I rarely use - I do remember to charge it now and then though to keep the battery healthy, as I do with with all my handhelds).

@PhhhCough hence opening the system voids the warranty because if you end up sending it in for anything that happens before during or after you open it would be considered you damaging it. You would have no way to prove otherwise and they could prove you opened the system so would then deem warranty bill and void.
You clearly have not dealt with warranties or legal jargon much.

@Yorumi I’ll revert you to my previous comment.

@Dirty0814 I think it's clear this whole article was bait for Nintendo fanboys to defend Joycons and say they're better than Steam Deck.

I think you took the bait better than anyone else here.

@Dirty0814 "..if you end up sending it in for anything that happens before during or after you open it.."
Even BEFORE I open it? Damn. Might as well not even send it in. Look my legalese is fine, unlike your english. So I'll leave it at that. Enjoy your day, bickering, it seems like something you like to do.

@PhhhCough yes before because they can still try to claim you opened it. Yes some places have done that and with them encouraging people to do this I wouldn’t put it past them at all.
My English is perfectly fine but it looks like your intelligence is pretty dumbed down.
Have a good day.

@Joeynator3000 Except the Deck doesn't have detachable controllers that you can easily replace, if you get analog drift, you are screwed and without a console until you get it fixed. Laughable how somehow managed to spin this positively for Valve lmao. That said, ALL analog sticks CAN develop drift, this is nothing shocking.

@Yorumi I’m not desperate to claim nothing except facts.
Tell me if you open your system and fix it then it breaks later and you send it in what is stopping them from saying you damaged the machine from something you did when you opened it? Nothing that’s what and that is exactly the situation anyone that doesn’t send it in during the warranty period would be facing if they did such a idiotic thing. You or anyone pays 500+ for something and isn’t willing to use the warranty given to them in the first place is stupid but to think that the company wouldn’t look for a way to not have replace the item is also pretty stupid. Valve is no different or no better than any other company out there period.

I mean...every modern-day controller seems to encounter drift. I'd wait a bit before coming down to a big conclusion that the Steam Deck is a waste of time.

@Joeynator3000 No. Valve is no God.

But took a few months for the Switch drifting issue to come up. Already for Steam Deck? Ouch, this is bad. Plus, all the other problems. It isn't worth $400 bucks.

@Joeynator3000 Nintendo fixed the Joy-Con problem last summer.

@Joeynator3000 Not true, I had a Joy-Con repaired in 2020 and no problems whatsoever since.

@michellelynn0976

"Prior to the public release of Nintendo Switch, various video gaming websites reported that the controllers—most commonly the Joy-Con L—were susceptible to connection losses when used wirelessly. It was initially unknown whether these problems were the result of an interference issue, or caused by the pre-launch software on review units."

From the Joycon Wikipedia page referencing the Eurogamer Article below.

Link: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-02-24-concerns-for-nintendo-switch-joy-con-connectivity-after-reviewers-report-controller-issue

@Yorumi @Yorumi Actually, Nintendo fixed the Joy-Con drift last summer. Also, PS5 controllers are still drifting. A lot. I know the Joy-Con drift was bad and Nintendo should be fixed it earlier, but don't give Valve, or Sony a pass. They need to be held to the same standard.

@Astral-Grain And, the Joy-Con drift has gone way down.

@michellelynn0976 You're pointing out that it took Nintendo 4 years to fix an issue that has existed since launch.

You're also condemning Valve for having these issues at launch, just like Switch. Do you think it's going to take Valve 4 years to release a patch to fix these issues for all users?

The steam deck is highly modular, and the sticks can be replaced easily if their teardown video is to be believed. But a more permanent solution is required.

@Astral-Grain I did not remember that story, so thanks for sharing. You think these companies would do more quality control. And, Valve promised not to have drift problems.

I said Nintendo shouldn't have taken four years. Did you read my comment? Let's see how Valve handles this. Valve still hasn't fixed the issues with Steam when it comes to some performance issues.

@Dirty0814
Nintendo literally replaces your controller and not fix it if you have drift for free. That’s more than any other company has done

Ahhh, no, they don't.
I have sent in my drifting Joy-con twice and both times they tried "fixing" it and both times it didn't work.
They didn't replace anything, they tried fixing it
Don't get me wrong, I think it is great that Nintendo tried fixing it for free but they definitely didn't replace it or any parts of it, they tried fixing it.
Also I use my Switch docked 95% of the time and the joycons hardly ever, if ever get used so it is definitely not from abuse or bad treatment that it happens, it just happens.

And just after I got done defending this thing with my roomate who apparently knew something would go wrong with the thing. :/

@Freek I've heard people who got theirs fixed. Sorry you didn't get yours.

At least one thing for the Deck is that the joysticks are designed to be relatively easy to replace with regular tools. I am still waiting for my email from Steam, hoping it comes to my inbox on March 7th! Still super pumped for it, however the delays on delays are getting annoying but in today's world it can't be helped.

Ouch. That would require an entire system replacement. At least with other consoles it's just the controller.

Is this as widespread of an issue as it is with the switch? Naturally with every new launch we get these complications of the systems failing horribly which makes the issues seem more rampant than they actually are.

@Yorumi Except people won't do that, they expect their system to work, most are not comfortable with tinkering.

@michellelynn0976 Right, people weren't all that upset about Joycon drift until they realized Nintendo was dragging their feet. Lawsuits occurred. Reddit threads made daily about it. Total outrage from consumers. Then and only then Nintendo actually did something about it.

That was over a period of years. And here you are saying "Ouch, this is bad" for a console that dropped literally yesterday.

If Valve does nothing about it for 4 years and if it can't be easily fixed with re-calibration for most users, that would make them equal with Nintendo.

@Optimist80 you can’t be serious, right? only the switch lite is like that

@ATaco Excuse you very much, how dare you bring logic and reason into this.

Nintendo fans know Joycons are a huge weakness for Nintendo and they'd like to pretend another company handled controller drift worse than Nintendo.

Nevermind that the Steam Deck released only yesterday and it took Nintendo 4 years to fix theirs since it launched, Valve is bad.

(I do sincerely appreciate your logic and reason though)

@michellelynn0976
Yeah thanks.
I was hoping it would too.
It's ok, if I do use it handheld I use it tabletop with my pro controller which works fine thankfully.

Pretty sure there were people reporting drift with Dualsense controllers shortly aftee launch too. It happens with all of them, the Switch just had it especially bad.

But here's the difference between Valve and Big N.
Nintendo doesn't care.
Gaben will fix the problem.

Guess I’ve been lucky with my Joy Con, had about 5 years of use and never had an issue. Makes me wonder if it’s all just a myth?

Whip ou the cardboard again.

I-wha-how? HOW IS THIS HAPPENING AGAIN?

Good 😂

That’s what happens when you waste money on overpriced gamegears! 😂

Oh no, you can’t detach it from the screen 📺 lol

Order cancelled!

Do people try and push the joystick straight through the systems when they click them in or something? Well over 1k hours on my Lite (with almost 600 in Fortnite which requires constant right sticking) and I've never had any drift.

Seems like storing it inside of something when not in use and a little bit of normal care is all it takes to avoid this horrible beast. Then again I never got a RRoD with ridiculous amount of time on my early edition Xbox 360 either...

@Deadlyblack
He'll show up to your door personally with his trusty screwdriver.

@Joeynator3000 have fun buying a whole new steam deck model won't be fixed via a simple update

@Savage_Joe
True, I sometimes forget switch lite is a thing.

is alana hagues a new reporter? havent seen her name around before

edit: yep, joined yesterday judging by her twitter. always good to see new blood

@Yorumi totally uncalled for. for your info I'm also a PC gamer and fine with upgrading components and fixing issues but this is marketed as a handheld and the average user is not going to want to replace parts all the time. You're defending a defective component.

@michellelynn0976 ...I would also like to point out that I'm still dealing with drift on the Switch, even with Pro controllers.

Valve is handling this a lot better than Nintendo.

@Freek I'm also in the same situation, I play my system docked most of the time, it's pointless to play undocked without still using the pro controller. Even when I got replacements for the joycons, they still drift...so yeah like I said, Valve is handling this better than Nintendo.

Wow, people are quick to defend Valve on this. Even as a huge Switch supporter, joycon drift is inexcusable, as it is with the Deck. Thankfully I've had the DxM Split Pad Pro joycons since 2019 and they have yet to drift. This looks pretty bad on Valve's part after they were confident this wouldn't happen and went through testing.

https://www.ign.com/videos/steam-deck-valve-is-confident-the-sticks-wont-drift-ign-news

I'm still interested in the Deck, but I'm glad I held off thus far.

After all it's just some random dudes on Reddit that reports this. They could be huge Nintendo fanboys and just want to put down the Steam Deck. None of the reviews so far has mentioned this being an issue afaik.

Is this where we pretend no other console or peripheral ever had issues ever and also that the company I like is my best friend and we braid each other's hair? Brand loyalty is a terrible brain disease. Every gaming hardware has issues of varying degrees and the companies only care about it enough to lessen the PR and financial hits to an acceptable threshold. But please continue beating each other up over anecdotal experiences.

Sticks drifting right out of the gate like this is entirely different from drift that develops over months of use. Drift that's started this early is obviously a manufacturing defect, and every piece of hardware ever made has a few lemons. Only time will tell if these sticks develop drift after heavy use like JoyCons do.

@mike_intv that's the thing. Even on ps4/xbox one i'd heard reports of drifting.

Perhaps much less frequent than with joycons but possibly worst like it happens because iirc they use the same kind of joysticks than a switch pro controller and replacing those(unlike the joycon which is a matter of just swapping the joystick out for a new one) actually requires soldering which isn't in the reach of just anyone

If you remove "Nintendo" and "Valve" it's pretty clear the bias factor is cranked up to 11 in here.

Company A: Releases a portable console with controller drift 5 years ago. Most users cannot fix the issue with calibration and need to send their controllers in for repair. After 3 years of lawsuits and complaints, they finally offer to repair for free. 4 years after launch, they finally patch the issue, resolving for most users.

Company B: Releases a portable console with controller drift just yesterday. Most users can fix the issue through calibration settings day 1.

If fans of "Company A" think 4 years is an acceptable amount of time to wait for a widespread fix, then they have far lower standards than what "Company B" is doing and condemning the other company the day after launch is beyond hypocritical.

@KryptoniteKrunch it's as everyone has said. It depends on how easy/hard is to solve the drift. When the joycon drifts, especially if early, you either have to send it to Nintendo, even multiple times, taking weeks in the process and possibly not guaranteeing to work well again; or make a DIY fix that will definitely void the warranty if something else fails on the joycon.

For now, Valve will give you the flexibility to replave the stick without unnecessarily voiding the warranty.

@ATaco He brings his iconic screwdriver and a plate of hot, fresh cookies shaped like various symbols from trademarked Valve games.

@mystman12 Joycon drift occurred with reviewers even before it launched. It didn't take months for it to happen, it took months for us to notice it was widespread across thousands of users.

Source: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-02-24-concerns-for-nintendo-switch-joy-con-connectivity-after-reviewers-report-controller-issue

@Astral-Grain Yeah and drift that occurred that quickly likely would have had more to do with manufacturing defects than wear and tear that plagues most JoyCons over time. Just because a handful of early Decks also have immediate drift issues doesn't mean it's guaranteed to have widespread drift issues after heavy use.

I'm loving all the comments making excuses for valve like the good shills they are.

Keep it up kids, valve appreciates your services.

@Rika_Yoshitake No one is saying controller drift is good - it's definitely not, no matter what console.

That said, Nintendo fans should be the last to criticize another console for controller drift, especially one day after launch. As a reminder, it took Nintendo 3 years to offer to repair Joycon Drift for free after lawsuits and 4 years to release a patch. No bias, just facts.

It's not that people are pro-Valve, it's that they're anti-Hypocrite.

This is the fabled Switch killer that everyone was creaming their pants over? 🤨

News flash: all console controllers drift.

Switch: small analogs required for joycon simply aren't as rugged and reliable, resulting in excessive cases of drift

PS5: Alps analogs drift in as little as 400 hrs of use

Xbox: same Alps analogs, same drifting issues

PowerA: same Alps analogs, same drifting issues

Steamdeck: as of yet unknown. Only a small handful of reported cases on day one, which very well may be well within the normal proportion defective expected, but of course, we get sensationalized headlines over 3 Twitter posts without verification.

This isn't a Nintendo thing, or a PS thing, or an Xbox thing, or a Valve thing. It's industry wide and it's affecting controllers across the board. At least Nintendo offers free repairs for life. Not much more you can do when dealing with limitations of technology. The Alps analogs, on the other hand, shouldn't have a drifting problem. They're full sized. So that's just a Quality Control issue where they've failed to identify root cause.

Hall Effect Sensor.

@Rika_Yoshitake don't Nintendo fanboys here do the same for their every mistakes?

That's okay, I'm sure if they're anything like Nintendo, you can just take the controllers off and send them back in the mail where they'll fix them for free, lol

@mike_intv they all use the same badly made parts, from what it seems.

@JaxonH I've had everyone if the big 3 since they existed & never had a controller drift except joycon, FWIW.

@Astral-Grain so anyone who criticizes this is a Nintendo apologist? Nintendo "fans" can't have been critical of Nintendo also? Interesting perspective...

@Astral-Grain
So you can’t replace joy con sticks? Take it from me, for 8 bucks on Amazon you can replace the stick yourself. I had never done any repair before and even I can do it. So this idea the only way to fix joy con drift is by sending them to Nintendo is false.

@twztid13
I own all and don't have any that drift, joycon included.

But the reports are online. A quick search reveals the Alps analog issue is just as big an issue, and unfortunately they are used by Xbox controllers (including $180 Elite controllers which is why there was such a fiasco about those breaking), PS5 controllers, Power A controllers and more

https://www.ifixit.com/News/48944/heres-why-ps5-joysticks-drift-and-why-theyll-only-get-worse

@Yorumi gotta get dem clicks

@sanderev my brother has a switch lite since last August,and no drift at all. He plays it a lot. So not everyone, if you take care of your system, your system will take care of you.

@michellelynn0976 I also never had any stick drift. Not on my original Switch (which I sold to buy the OLED - and yes, the store buying the old Switch tested it for drift - there was none), not on my Switch Lite, and not on my Switch OLED.

And I literally play my Switch daily.

@Mopati
Nope. I had drift day one of owning my Switch. On Release Day!
I talked about here.

@Yorumi
Though I am not sure how different the market really is.
Quite a few PC gamers seem to have a Nintendo console on the side, the PC + Nintendo combo is not uncommon and I feel like you can see that here as well, many commenters over time were interested in the Steam deck.
It's not a stretch to assume that many owners of a Nintendo Switch are interested in a Steam Deck, even if it's not a majority.

But technically you are definitly correct, Steam Deck is especially interesting for people who are PC gamers already, less for those who are not interested in PC gaming (would be interesting to see if Steam Deck changes something about that, though I doubt it.).

@sanderev It was strictly in a private meeting between me and them. They wanted to know what I thought about the system before they announced it and if I had any suggestions on how to make it better, obviously i did.

This aged horribly LMAO

@iLikeUrAttitude lol, and besides Valve has already thrown tutorials out there on how to replace joysticks so you don't have to repair the entire system or whatever. xp

@Joeynator3000 Yeah people are acting like Valve didn't make any precautions about drift.

@Astral-Grain Oh they were and had every right to be. But, with Steam Deck, you have to know how to recalibrate to get the sticks to work.

@Freek Good.

@Joeynator3000 Not really. They haven't fixed the internal problem. They just showed people how to recalibrate it. I've had my Joy-Cons going on 3 years now, and no drift. Maybe take care of your stuff?

@sanderev Good.

@mike_intv the problem is the depth or how tall the controllers are. Because of the small space when joysticks like this are pressed down on then they can get "suck". This is often fixed by opening up the "joy-con" and sticking cardboard under it. This is of course if recalibration doesn't work... however this also sometimes reduces the speed of the controller.