It's fair to assume that any game with a title like 'Pandemic Shooter' is bound to be slightly topical in 2022, but we can't help but feel that the upcoming Switch title's eShop page goes a little too far with the 'humour'.
Before you accuse us of missing the joke, we're fully aware that it has been written with a tongue firmly in cheek, and even pokes fun at "all major conspiracy theories", but it does make us wonder how stringently Nintendo vets these descriptions, given that they're likely to be read by younger players – despite the game's age rating (because it's rated 'Teen', no age gate is required).
Perhaps you think we're lacking a sense of humour? Let us know with a comment below. In the meantime, here's what the game actually looks like:
[source nintendo.com]
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I don't see what the issue is? There's no swearing or sexual jokes so what's the issue? That said it looks awful so file this under avoid.
Looks like an attention grabber game.
For what initially appears to be an asset flip, at least a modicum of effort has been made to make it amusing and unique in some way. I'd be very surprised if it's good but there's a chance... I don't believe there's anything dangerous in the eshop description, just a load of nonsense & buzz words. I would be more worried if my kid wanted to play fortnite to be honest.
It reads as of its mocking the fake news on social media platforms and clearly is not taking itself seriously.. flat earth, cheese moons, conspiracy X, Y, Z etc etc.. all a parody, but looks like **** and one too avoid.
i would hardly call this "original dark humour" like the description says...
@WallyWest nintendolife confirms that the only thing worse than being offensive is being cringe
@WallyWest putting the conspiracy theory stuff aside, "and the water is turning the frogs gay" seems very inappropriate.
Not all "jokes" are "just jokes," and it's disheartening to see so many miss that.
Considering the Switch is touted as a family console for all-ages, it's downright irresponsible to share these misconceptions about the virus and the vaccines as "just jokes." The pandemic is, quite literally, deadly serious. Making light of it while it's still happening is not only in poor taste, but beneficial for the spread of misinformation.
I don't see anything wrong there, but then again I don't waste my time being offended by things.
These jokes are just a mite on the political side imo. It seems more interested in grabbing (in)fame and attention with shocking, even upsetting jokes (as diegoarthur said) rather than providing a good gaming experience.
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I don't see anything wrong with it. Very satirical take on the very extreme spectrum of the pandemic conspiracies in my opinion.
@somebread thank you! I can't imagine my day being tarnished by the summary of a video game.
... won't somebody pleeeease think of the children??
but seriously, getting on your high horses about this whilst avoiding comment on countless FPS games where kids happily shoot, chainsaw and stab human looking characters is a little bit pathetic.
Comedy homophobia is just a snidey get-out.
Unless you're the kind to regularly indulge in performative offense-taking, it's hard to find a problem with anything here. The game description is implicitly critical of COVID conspiracists by tying them in with flat earthers.
No conspiracy theorist is going to read this and think, "Oh finally, a game that tells the truth and speaks to ME!" As dumb as they may be, they'll know they're being mocked.
I doubt the game is great, but they should follow it up with a satire of the folks who partake in this whiny kabuki.
Let me get this straight... you guys are objecting to gay frog representation?
Lol that's hilarious though
As a gay man, I don't find this offensive at all. Then again, it does take alot to offend me anyways. It just reads like a child has written it.
@somebread
I was just attempting to phrase a similar response in my head, but you've already done it! bravo.
one thing I've noticed about the "im never offended" crowd is that they totally are, often. everyone is offended sometimes, and you get zero points for being in denial about it.
@antdickens It's a parody of the sadly common belief that homosexuality is caused by anything unnatural. It seems inappropriate because the conspiracy theory that it mocks certainly is.
That's hilarious. Might download if it's cheap and decent.
Of course it's just a cash-in mocking people who believe that claptrap but sadly it's all too real for a lot of misinformed people who've disappeared down the rabbit hole. It's pretty funny as it's gathered all the ridiculous conspiracies together but some people actually think this rubbish is true so to them it would probably be offensive, ironically!
So what you're saying is that I need to buy this. Because that description is hilarious, I'm on board
When people think satire and parody are the same things as endorsing the subject matter itself you know they're not playing with a full deck. It's a parody of Alex Jones, not some edgy non sequitur about gay people.
@-wc- depends on what you're offended by. Genocide is offensive. Child exploitation is offensive. I've never heard anyone suggest that not getting offended by dumb jokes, and in this case blatant satire, means they're above being offended by anything.
Of course you can make jokes like these. Nothing wrong here.
"Perhaps you think we're lacking a sense of humour?"
I'd say so, yes. Please explain, how do you have NO problem with hyper violence, but with a bit of sarcasm you do?
@NedBundy to be fair, one could argue alex jones saying that unhinged nonsensical tripe was an edgy non sequitur about gay people in the first place
I mean, if you can't joke about something that's taken the lives of millions of people around the world, often in a slow, painful fashion, clearly you have no sense of humor.
I hate this society. It's not worth defending.
@antdickens it's making fun of Alex Jones. That's literally a quote from info wars.
@-wc- I'm gay and don't find it offensive at all. Maybe some of you don't understand the concept of parody?
It's fine. Not even worth an article really
The part with the gay frohs is a reference to some nonsense that Alex Jones said that became a meme.
@somebread of course it was, but referencing a meme isn't the same thing as endorsing it as a legitimate scientific theory lol.
@fiben1002 even if it is, I don’t feel it’s appropriate for a eshop description. In my opinion, just because it’s meant as a joke doesn’t make it acceptable.
Agree that this is a bit of fuss about nothing. It doesn't seem to be endorsing Alex Jones' ridiculous frogs comment, it's satirising it. Saying that it's not a game I'd buy, and slightly curious that it would be allowed on the eShop description.
Omg who cares
@antdickens just because it bothers you doesn't mean it's unacceptable in general. This could go in circles for days, people are that eager to ignore things like context and intent.
@CactusMan that study talks of chemicals changing a gender, not “turning them gay”?
Not offended, personally. Black humor helps people cope with some very unfunny situations, and we're all going to need a sense of humor to get through this with our sanity intact. And before anyone tries to tell me I have no empathy, my entire family is sick right now, myself included, and I'm scared to death but joking about things does help. (And if my avatar didn't clue you in, yes, I am also queer).
And let's face it, we all have a Gramps who thinks "the Reds" have been putting mind-control drugs in the water since 1954 amd no one was gay before MTV came along, and he's shared his opinions loudly at more than one Thanksgiving dinner in the presence of half a dozen kids, some of whom later turned out to be gay. Because of MTV, of course.
@NedBundy i agree, i think the main argument against memeing on it i've seen is basically "no such thing as bad publicity"
In fairness, I do think that this is a scenario where no one is going to see it that will be seriously offended. Are parents going to click on a game called “ Pandemic Shooters” and think, “Ah, what a nice, wholesome game for my darling Rupert”? It’s a bit extreme, but it’s not really a world ender, at least in my opinion. However, I do understand that it could offend some as a result of this, so maybe the controversy will get the developers to change the description?
@NedBundy totally fair, it is my opinion.
I mean I think its humorous because its making fun of conspiracy theorists. However, it's not really appropriate for the eshop.
@Heavyarms55 dark humour has existed forever, same with parody and satire. This isn't a microcosm of society, and objecting to something that's blatantly in poor taste doesn't make you any more empathetic. Before this current pandemic there were plenty of others in human history, plus many games/movies/books about viruses and pandemics, so I'm really curious as to what arbitrary amount of time between atrocities you think is necessary to satirize something.
By all means, find it in poor taste, but give me a break.
@Silly_G
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@CactusMan yeah, the guy that got banned from social platforms because of this kind of stuff. Which kind of shows how it’s inappropriate?
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Even the laziest and unimaginative joke is still a joke. That's the way it was, I'm not sure it is and will be anymore.
Well I'm strongly for freedom of speech, especially in comedy parodies. Although I'm not sure any of that is funny enough to count as comedy.
That said, I'm sure almost every young teen has saw much worse thanks to the social media anyway.
I'd wager 95% of what shows up monthly on any of the eshops is garbage these days as mobile devs have long since started dropping their trash on console eshops. This happens to Sony as well. Makes it really hard to find the gems in the mess.
It’s not funny but it’s not exactly ban worthy. Unless all low effort shovelware should be removed.
If you can't make fun of conspiracy nuts the only alternative is for them to be taken seriously - and you don't want that.
Personally I don't find this very funny (I personally don't really find any humour in the pandemic), but I'm also personally not offended by it. Does seem it should be age-restricted though.
@nessisonett I mean...
Reads like a cringe-inducing parody, but being a cringey parody is not against the rules.
@somebread Well yeah. The eShop’s problem is the literal tons of crap detritus. This game is a symptom rather than some terrible outlier. We’re a couple steps away from Steam’s daily Unity porn games and boob mahjong.
@antdickens he didn't get banned "for this kind of stuff". Nobody except whackos and people who thought Alex Jones was crazy but entertaining in his stupidity cared about him when he was saying blatantly insane stuff like this. He got banned when he started denying events like Sandy Hook, calling the parents crisis actors and inviting litigation.
He didn't get deplatformed for simply saying dumb things that are easily lampooned and satirized, he got deplatformed because he was pushing actually dangerous ideas and slandering people who had gone through a tragedy. Don't trivialize that by pretending enough people were offended by gay frogs that he lost his platform. Nobody cared.
@CactusMan there are games on there that are far more 'insulting', and I use that term lightly. It's okay to kill hookers in GTA but this is a step too far for the eshop?
'Borderline insulting' means 'barely insulting' btw. What standard should we go by, "Things that offend CactusMan"? I get the impression that would be a long list of games.
@NedBundy i think this is an uncharitable read of their comment, claiming sandy hook was faked (essentially) very much is "that kind of stuff," that kind of stuff just being unbelievable conspiracy theories--some are just much worse than others
you can see why some people were arguing against using him as a meme from that, though
It's satire. In this case, poking fun at ridiculous conspiracy theories - conspiracy theories that CAUSE HARM.
I think satire can be important for raising awareness of certain issues, but especially in the Internet age, it also brings more publicity (and therefore followers) to the people who are being satirised. I don't think we should censor everything though, so I'm on the side of this game (based on the information provided in the article) being fine.
@somebread you realize that's what I said, right? That his denial of those events is the kind of stuff that he was banned for? We're agreeing, here. Nobody cared when he was just a loud mouth whacko, not until it crossed into slander and targeted harassment that lead to death threats. He would still have a platform if he was ranting about gay frogs.
Do me a favour, don't speak for other people. You're not good at it. Let them reply to what's obviously directed at them specifically.
@JasmineDragon Totally agree with you on that. I was suffering from anxiety and insomnia during these past holiday gatherings fearing the worst for my family. Needed a good laugh or two and stuff like these actually get your mind to clear up a bit. I hope you and your loved ones recover soon!
@NedBundy you said "he didn't get banned for 'that kind of stuff'" and i said "he got banned for 'that kind of stuff', like antdickens said; he was just putting it in a short form"--that kind of stuff implies not just the Frogs Gay comment but what it stands for, which is insane conspiracies, etc.
(surprised to see he got banned! he seemed mostly civil)
@somebread .....he said "this kind of stuff" referring to the content the game itself is referencing. The kind of stuff he got deplatformed for is infinitely worse than gay frogs, so conflating the two is stupid. Ranting about gay frogs for clicks doesn't get you deplatformed. Inciting harassment and death threats does.
This would be a hell of a lot less confusing if you just stopped interjecting between the responses of two people who aren't you. Since you're obviously incapable of doing that this interaction is over.
@CactusMan Under those rules the South Park games wouldn’t be on the eShop though. I don’t find them funny but it’s usually better to err on the side of letting stuff on the eShop otherwise you’re somewhat stifling creativity and entrepreneurship. The real problem is the shovelware nature, not the terribly cringe humour. It’s definitely distasteful but I fail to see why the humour itself would get it banned as long as the age ratings matched the contents.
Turning the frogs gay is an actual conspiracy theory that became a meme
I don't personally see anything wrong but I'm also not the type of person who gets offended over anything and everything. It's a waste of time. Live YOUR life and be happy with your own choices.
I mean.....if thats what you want. Maybe ill take a flier if it goes on sale? Perhaps
When facebook and twitter have become the arbiters of information and truth, well. It's over as far as I'm concerned.
We're f'd.
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I clicked on this this expecting something truly tasteless but instead I actually chuckled a little.
oh dear. that's uh... something, that's for sure.
@NedBundy it seems you are banned now which is unfortunate since I wanted to respond. To your point though, it does feel like sensitivity of the current vocal population has been turned way up compared to previous ones. So jokes 'aren't just jokes', some people need more shielding from words than others and feelings trump rationality more often than not.
A swing of the pendulum not to my liking. But let's just sit it out. What else can you do?
is this on rail shooter?
They’re called “conspiracy facts” now.
It's clearly intended as mocking humor. I understand disinformation about the pandemic is a real and worrisome thing, but bringing down the hammer on gag games isn't going to fix anything.
I wish someone would publish a list of people and things we aren't allowed to make jokes about? Blind people that's ok? But gay people is a no? Need the info!
@Octane_st1m I appreciate the thoughts, and I was the same way over the holidays. Stay safe and hang in there!
It's not exactly grade A humour, but the stuff in there seems to be mocking the right wing conspiracy nutjob BS, rather than enabling it, so I don't really see what's wrong with it.
@antdickens Why is it inappropriate? On a top level, it’s a meme, which is essentially the “pop culture” layer of the modern world, and it’s enshrined as a joke.
If anything, it’s offensive to Alex Jones, who was, to put it delicately, not exactly wrong, just incredibly coarse and imprecise: https://www.pnas.org/content/99/8/5476
@Cosmo_Joe It’s not a joke about gay people it’s a joke about conspiracy theories.
Digital stores like Steam are flooded with Z-grade dollar store games, eShop is no exception.
@Spiders mainly because an (as an example) 7-year-old can read that game description and is unlikely to understand or seek out the context you mention. The article talks about whether or not it's appropriate for the Nintendo eShop, not in general.
"set out on the highway to smell"- Uh, is this English?
@Optimist80 this is how we all need to look at the world.
This game isn’t for me, but if it is playable and cheap, then I’m sure some will enjoy it.
i'd say its better than all these weird porno games you keep promoting
Nintendo has been unfortunately awful at gate keeping bottom of the barrel asset flips that would look awful on Google Play since the WiiU days, that being said this dumpsterfire of a “game” is getting a few NOVAX moroons riled up on Twitter and reddit so its existence is worth it just to expose the sorry state of humanity and gets two thumbs up. Still, I get what they were going for, but they could’ve done without the “frogs making people gay - joke”
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@GayusGayerni don’t know what the banned comment before was, but you are right. The vocal few have their voices turned up to 11, while the majority sit in silence, too busy working and having lives to worry about being offended by every piece of media out there. It’s why I don’t bother with social media and outside of a couple sites, I don’t comment much since I forget that that not everyone on the internet is rational. I’m sure I offended someone with this, but sometimes that’s what the truth does.
I’ll admit, the bit about the earth being mostly flat got me to chuckle. The game itself looks like crud though 🤷♂️
Yeah. Satire’s goal is to ridicule, not to offend. LGBTQIA fully vaccinated longtime Nintendo enthusiast here, don’t think there is any issue with any of that. Next.
Holy crap! Something offends someone! In this day and age! My god's the human race is screwed...
Isn't Leisure Suit Larry on the Switch?
@antdickens Fair enough, but I don’t know if we can put the toothpaste back in the tube for what information children can get access too, or if we even ought too.
Every generation is shocked by what their children have access to, but the trend continues to stampede in that direction that, to my mind, means we our effort should be in helping children navigate the world and to think as critically as a child can, not sheltering them from everything until the dam inevitably breaks.
I know “turning the frogs gay” is a lot for an adult to unpack for a 7 year old, but what choice do we really have? We’re through the looking glass. Prohibition makes contraband, and kids love contraband more than candy.
And seriously, who does this humor appeal to besides juveniles? It’s Mortal Kombat, it’s Postal, it’s Custer’s Revenge, and even that’s giving this game too much credit for being provocative or dangerous.
....aaaaaand we've given a stupid game more attention.
@CactusMan- Well, what's considered offensive content Games that you would ban? Are others able to submit their grievances of other games to you as moderator of eShops?
See where this would go?
@King-Demon Children being exposed to sex is fine, just not to jokes that can be possibly misleading and dangerous misinformation. Did you not get the firmware update? Give your head a shake!
@Spiders for me I hope the new generation will learn from the mistakes of the past, people making gay-related jokes were commonplace when I was a kid and looking back it was totally not OK and offensive. The logic here is that unfiltered adult jokes are fine (within reason), but at what point do we make them accessible to all with no filter.
@Ralizah I’d it though? ‘Disinformation‘ is deliberate misinformation done by a government entity, agency, or authority. Are you saying governments are misinforming the public on purpose?
Your post is misleading, thus it’s misinformation. They should put a warning on it.
@antdickens We might be around the same age and I agree, it was not ok — certainly not as Ok as it seemed. But that’s not now. The majority of the Western world is beyond supportive of different sexual preferences and identities. It’s not perfect, but does making it taboo again really help? I think that’s the trap every generation falls into when progress happens. We’re always preparing for the last war.
Ultimately it’s not a gay joke, it’s a conspiracy joke with the word gay in it. Maybe they could of done some editorial work and changed the word ‘gay’ to anything else because the joke is that chemicals dumped in the water are changing them and can be done to the populous, but this isn’t Rockstar level satire.
@Spiders agreed, the game has been rated teen which is probably fine, but what this suggests is that even with that rating the description hasn’t been well vetted for a universal audience, which comes back to the question of whether Nintendo are even checking it.
I just want to say that kids likely check this website for up to date Nintendo news and all this is doing is bringing attention to something you deem offensive, and even putting the offending quote in the headline. Makes you wonder if anyone at Nintendolife even checks these things...
Also, chill
@Scapetti Well the whole purpose of this article is likely to generate clicks by creating discord and actually drawing out offensive comments and folks offended by them (and everything else). This outrage is performance art.
Incidentally, if one is seeking to protect their children from anti-homophobic satire, I believe the eShop has parental controls, in contrast to this website.
@Brett very true. And adding to drama further by removing comments as "unconstructive". When for all we know they said little more than "I disagree". There definitely needs to be some filtering when it comes to this type of stuff. I come here for Nintendo news. Not for drama
@CactusMan - That's the point, one can argue Bayonetta can fall into that category of not allowed into public display due to its sexual overtones.
Grant it, it would be pure benefit to the consumer if Nintendo would employ a quality control for shovelware. Outside that, dictating what's considered abrasive is very VERY broad when you consider everyone's tastes.
The game description is more accurate than anything Fauci has said over the last 22 months
Don't tell Nintendo Life about GTA or Mortal Kombat, they'll really lose their minds. And Night Trap?? whoaaa nilly!
@NedBundy "Other people have done it so that makes it okay" is what you're saying. Just another example that supports my opinion. Stop speaking to me.
There is clearly no bottom of the barrel. Anything goes.
Remember that when something horrible happens to you or someone you care about and makes jokes about it. Cause it will happen. Then they'll attack you for being too sensitive or some other such BS.
@Heavyarms55 that's not what I said, and it's not hard to imagine how it would feel if it was a subject I felt badly about being made fun, because I'm not that sensitive that people can't joke about things in general just because I've gone through something tragic. As long as individual people aren't being actively harassed I take it for granted that people will make jokes about things that affect me personally. I've lost loved ones to cancer, but I don't bat an eye at jokes in poor taste about cancer, because why would I allow myself to be riled up by a bad joke?
Also, I'm not just "speaking to you", I replied to a post of yours. Read it, don't read it, but don't clutch your pearls just because you can't stomach an opinion you disagree with. That's how a public forum works, which you would also take for granted if you were capable of handling and internalizing offense.
But hey, if you want to be so cynical that everything you have a problem with is a sign of a declining society you do you.
If this was Borderlands you wouldn't bat an eye. Get over yourself, NL
@Heavyarms55 I don't know why you're so put out by the mockery of conspiracy theories and homophobia, but if that's a problem for you, just stay away from it?
@CharlieGirl 🤣
Buy a copy and review it, cowards.
Alex Jones is always right!
I don't see the problem. If we make fun of these theories and explain the people that their just conspiracy theories that aren't true then we should give kids the credit to think critically especially if they're teenagers. They have access to the internet now they've definitely heard of this, and once again if a child is downloading it I once again want to point it out it's on the parent. You should be allowed to release art with this type humor. If we want video games to be taken seriously as an art form we need to allow satire.
The Streisand Effect is strong here.
I love a good moral panic, you're even telling us to think of the children!
@antdickens at 7 in the 90s all the kids were calling each other gay. No idea about homosexual people. We had clearly co opted the word to mean "annoying / lame" much how the word original meant happy before being co opted to describe a sexual orientation. Words are just words and have many different meanings to different people and those meanings and definitions are constantly in flux throughout time. Just because you find offence because of your interpretation of a word or statement does not mean that it means the same to others. If we go down this path of banning language then other words will just be co opted to mean the same things as before. Eg. The example of many 90s kids moving away from the word Gay to using Lame, but now we are being ostracised for using Lame. It's never ending....... so stop being Lame and remember to stay Gay everyone!
Thanks for the article NL. This game will perfectly complement my digital copy of “Reptile Rebellion” on my Switch Lite.
@antdickens inappropriate to who though? Frogs? Gay people? Nobody? Somebody who pretends to be offended?
@antdickens It's making fun of a known conspiracy nut and the way he misunderstood pollution, not homosexuals.
You know it's funny.
It turns out that Alex Jones was right and there was some weird thing with frogs changing gender due to pollution or something along those lines.
@antdickens It's not a joke at gay people it's a joke about Alex Jones and how absurd the concept of turning frogs gay. I suppose you hate that South Park episode with the gay dog? I remember it being funny myself.
It seems to be making fun of conspiracy theorists. I don't really take offense; it's just cringey, and in rather poor taste. I'll never call for the removal of something because it offends me. I believe that is limiting. If they remove it because it looks like more of the asset flip trash that's been clogging up the eShop, that seems totally legitimate here. It also might help to have parental controls on the eShop. Do they already do that?
I don’t see the issue, even if they were totally serious about any of those theories. It’s not like anyone can legitimately debunk them anyway.
What offends you about happy well hydrated frogs exactly?
Here is some more Alex Jones talk: Synthetic food ingredients (preservatives) are causing cancer. Cotton seed & vegetable oils found in potato chips causing obesity. All frozen food is death. Oh, & he also says Klaus Schwab wants to kill everybody.
1. Chemicals in a river actually modified the wildlife's DNA to the point they changed gender. They did studies on it. So they did in fact put chemicals in the water that made the *fish *trans
2. Why are you snitching?
eye roll Let’s not encourage censorship because some people get offended. Comedy should not be censored. You can find certain comedy not funny and in turn just do not engage with it. Dont cry about it or hate on those who do find it funny. Just don’t engage. It’s not for you. People who try to ban stuff cos they don’t like it are THE WORST.
Kids that are too young and shouldn’t be seeing this shouldn’t be browsing the eshop unsupervised anyway, they could come across sexual content, violence and all other manner of in appropriate content, that’s on the parents not the creators.
That said, this game & description seems really cringe and I do not find it remotely funny or interesting personally.
I'm not even sure who this is supposed to offend, Alex Jones fans or his critics. I don't know if the game holds any promise, but the trailer was humorous in a silly kind of way.
Nintendolife, you are the master of engagement.
Me: Mom, can we get Deus Ex?
Mom: We already have Deus Ex at home.
Deus Ex at home:
"Perhaps you think we're lacking a sense of humour?"
Yes, among other things. They're making fun of actual claims made by people like Alex Jones, but you said you already knew that.
What's wrong with it?
So the easily offended are okay with seeing people getting their brains blown out in Doom, or 13 old girls in Death Smiles on the Eshop - but making fun of conspiracy theories isn’t?
I’ve seen plenty of so called adults claim 5g masts cause Covid, and the BBC is run by the Illuminati who are really Lizard People and the eye on the BBC is used to mind control the population into voting Tory’s.
I even had somebody message me saying that ‘the’ Albert Einstein is his GP in North Wales and he wrote on his sick note that Covid is just the flu. I doubt the Chavs who think Covid is fake and made up to stop them getting drunk on New Years Eve could even spell their own stupid names the same way twice let alone realise that a Nintendo game is mocking them.
I see nothing wrong with the description. It’s poking fun at conspiracy theorists and racist, homophobic grandpa - it’s not laughing with them. I think such mockery of dangerous ideologies is a good thing, no? Better to address them directly and openly mock and criticise, than try to sweep them under the rug and pretend they don’t exist - kids will find out either way and trying to keep censoring all of the nonsense will make it easier for them to fall victim to being brainwashed by the conspiracy nutcases.
@Cosmo_Joe I agree with a lot of what you’re saying, but I think there’s room for a better conversation about it.
What you’re saying is exactly right — “gay” was a co-opted word that, in most contexts, had nothing to do with homophobia at all, but it also was able to be used in a hurtful way, even if the word itself is not an insult — kind of like “Jew”. It’s not insulting to call a Jewish person a Jew, but if you’re calling a non-Jewish person a Jew it becomes an insult.
I think that for the most part, ‘gay’ stopped being used because as gay lifestyles became more acceptable and more people felt comfortable being openly gay, the average person found more gay people in their lives, found out the word hurt them, and didn’t want to use it anymore because the intent was basically stripped from it with new context.
The n-word had a different but similarly “bottom-up” journey in the 90s, when there was a “post-racial” feeling that widespread use of the word would take the power away from it, but also it covered for the more hateful context. I think it was done in a good spirit, but ultimately no, I did not work, and now we can’t even say the word, only refer to it, and probably for the best in 99% of circumstances.
I don’t think that social apparatus is in place anymore.
On the one hand, there is no room for intent, no slack for forgiveness and desire to reconcile. You are a bad person for using ‘gay’ or ‘lame’ because a good person would never say that.
Now the problem there is that it pushes you into a corner where you are defending the action because you know your intention, but no longer are unaware of the hurt it causes some people. It’s kind of a trap. The indignation of one side pushes the other into the very transgression, proving the point of the perpetrator. That’s why intention is SO important, but it has been devalued in internet communication to the point of being a liability.
We need the room to learn and make mistakes, the humility to be wrong, and the grace to be good without making someone else bad in doing so.
@durrdevil That’s really the meta-joke. The Alex Jones clip is funnier if you know the truth or at least the published science; the fact that chemicals in the water trigger hermaphroditism — a natural but uncommon process — and Alex Jones called it “turning gay” is hilarious, and the joke is on him.
I’m glad someone else is in on it because it becomes incredibly unfunny trying to explain it.
It's just jokes, relax.
This is what I think they call satire.
Huge protip to the admins of Nintendolife: I think it'll do everyone a favor if articles mentioning topics like this had comments turned off already. People just can't seem to remember what kind of site this is.
@Brett Let's joke about some of the worst things happening around the world. It's fine cause it's "just a joke" right?
I don't find it funny to make light of such things. Quite the opposite in fact. You people will laugh and Crack jokes all you want until you're next. When the bad thing happens to you, will you be laughing? Don't bother saying yes, I won't believe you.
This whole comment section just is a reminder of how far this site and community have fallen. Perhaps it's time to close my account for good.
@Heavyarms55
Political satire, and generally satire of any kind, usually makes fun of bad things, yeah. It's why Charlie Chaplin made an acclaimed satire of Adolf Hitler in 1940, and not one of FDR. If you're troubled by the centuries-old tradition of satire, and if you "hate this society", it may be worthwhile to talk about that with someone more qualified to help than this comments section is.
@Spiders Great comment.
The word "queer" is another good example. It's gone from being pretty much exclusively an epithet to a completely proper term. Meanwhile, other completely proper terms have gone the other way. The word "retarded" replaced other terms that had become generic insults, and once "retarded" became a generic insult, it was replaced as well (and the word is generally banned from polite conversation, although it hasn't quite reached the same Voldemort-level of taboo as the n-word).
Language evolves constantly, and there are taboo words today that will recover in some other form, and there are correct terms today that will be out of fashion or offensive at some point. I doubt anybody will be saying "people of color" in 30 years.
The problem is the performative outrage, the impulse to "gotcha" people using last week's terminology, to care only about the superficial terminology of a discussion, and not the actual hearts or minds of the people discussing. That stuff is more toxic than this or any other video game.
If you're talking about banning media that mocks bad ideas, you're adopting something of a Hitler/Trump policy on speech and satire. You're not making the world a better or safer place. "I hate this society" is the language of a mass shooter, not someone seeking to raise understanding between people.
I'm not a right-wing person, and when I hear some guy in a red cap making fun of "woke snowflakes", I tend to roll my eyes and move along. Having read all of the above, I'll probably roll my eyes just a bit less next time.
It didn't made me laugh but I didn't find it offensive either. "Humor is subjective, Murrah" everyone laughs about different things. Sure the pandemic is terrible but also idiotic with all the measures taken as much as they are needed. You could take it 2 ways: Or you keep moping for the next couple of years (some people predict the virus to be around for the next couple of years) or you try to see a little bit of fun in the whole situation. Its the best way to get you through the years. Keep yourself and everybody safe, and at the same time keep smiling!
I think anyone who's offended by this, especially the "turning the frogs gay" part does not understand the context.
Also kudos to Nintendolife for yet another shameless clickbait article. Bravo!
@Spiders thanks for the response, a very interesting read and I'd say we are probably 95% alligned on our views on this topic (your presentation a little more articulate than mine ). Your reference to the N word in the 90s is a very good example, I'd never heard of the word until I heard NWA then had no idea or context for what the word meant. For me and alot of kids especially in the UK it was just a word rappers used. And to us rappers were cool, so we would use it as we wanted to be seen as cool too. Zero idea it had racial connotations or that it was deemed a "bad word". We were so close as a culture to erasing that words negative power and changing its meaning, but instead look where we are with it today.
@Cosmo_Joe Thanks brother!
not offended, if cheap i;ll buy 😎
You can't start screaming 'Censor the media!' because you don't like the content, otherwise you prove all these QAnon nuts to be correct (about media censorship, not the other crazy stuff). I don't see an issue at all, it's clearly parody, and if you haven't already sat your kids down and explained that there's a mass of misinformation out there by now...well, what are you waiting for?
"Here at Nintendolife we'll tell YOU how to feel!"
Also to the one saying he'll close his account for good: Just leave, no need to make an announcement.
I see nothing wrong here , it's just a joke.
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