Random: Team Xbox Has A Bit Of A Soft Spot For Paper Mario On GameCube

I like switch better but I can see the appeal, loved my NGC back in the day❤️

My opinion, Best console = PS2.
It has DDR, BEMANI games, K-1, Ratchet & Clank, Sly Cooper, Jak & Daxter, some good 3rd party kiddie games, some quirky games.
Absolutely great games library from PS2.

Seeing Path of Radiance mentioned in the tweet made me so damn happy. That game doesn’t get enough love.

Switch is my favorite console of all time! Before that it was probably the Gamecube. Such an underrated console. I'm glad I was able to buy most of the Gamecube exclusives I wanted a few years back, including Thousand Year Door, seeing how expensive the games are selling for now 😲.

Slightly odd how to answer the hot topic of what’s the best latest high powered current gen console when you work for Microsoft. You can pretty much play almost any of the XBox released games for the past 20 years on the XBX, and someone in their advertising department suggests they have more fun playing a 20 year old Nintendo console.

I mean I think Nintendo is more fun, but if my job was to promote the Xbox I wouldn’t admit it.

Imagine where Nintendo would be if the GameCube was more successful. They'd have more powerful systems, but they would likely be less innovative. Motion controls probably wouldn't be huge if the GameCube didn't fail.

It's hard to imagine a better time to be a Nintendo fan. The GameCube's library has F-Zero, Star Fox, Fire Emblem, Zelda (several and the best/only collection Nintendo ever put out), Melee, Metroid, and, of course, Paper Mario TTYD.

I've been toying with the idea of starting a Gamecube collection. I miss that console.

@Boo_Breaker
Really hoping Nintendo releases a POR/RD remaster bundle. I love Ike in Smash and I want to experience his story so badly.

The fact that Xbox mentioned it also fills me with joy. Pre-Awakening FE games don't get much love nowadays.

I have a soft spot for GameCube for sure. That’s when I had my first job and could really buy games for myself. The GameCube had so many great games like windwaker, timesplitters, Luigi’s mansion, animal crossing, melee, and Metroid prime. I’ll say it’s my favorite console.

I’d like a re-release of luigis mansion 1& 2. Mario kart DD, TYD, wind waker, twilight princess and many more games from the gamecube. getting these games where i live is expensive.

It's either the Wii or the Wii U. The former due to the exclusives and backwards compatibility with the Gamecube, and the latter for being the best machine to play Nintendo's past greats aside from the Gamecube. They also are consoles that really nailed personality. When I moved my Wii U to my bedroom TV a couple months ago and turned the console on again for the first time in months, I was definitely feeling all the sounds and visuals associated with its home menu. No amount of game software in my opinion will fill that void that the Switch seems to have.

Gamecube was always my favourite console but I think the Series X has now over-taken it for me.
Microsoft are killing if this gen with how easy it is to access your old games library along with all free FPS boosts and upgrades.

Its a shame that Nintendo didn't offer backwards compatibility as Switch could have been the best console on the market, but their greed and over reliance on reselling the same products at an inflated premium has really killed my love of the company this gen.

@HotGoomba Nintendo still did some pretty weird stuff in the GameCube days, for better or worse. They made a Donkey Kong platformer where the only way to get around was by beating on a pair of drums and clapping your hands. I can't think of much else Nintendo has done that's more out there than that one.

Who doesn't have a soft spot for that one? Gamecube was awesome! I loved the games! I still remember my jaw hitting the floor the first time i loaded up luigis mansion. I Couldn't believe the graphical leap from N64. The mini discs were unique and adorable! I brought that sucker home and stayed up all night playing rogue leader! Oh man good times!

Sony fans act like Borgs. I stopped buying Sony things after the PS3 and I was a big fan of Playstation. They've become everything people complain about Nintendo fanboys and even worse.

A lot of the very best first party Nintendo games were on the Gamecube and GBA. What an amazing time to be a Nintendo fan! Paper Mario TTYD, for example, was just soooo good...

Switch is a better console than GC in general imo, we are getting TONS of great games every year, amazing first and third party support, indies included. However, Nintendo still has to deliver more high quality games to be able to be compared to how it was then. I have high hopes in next year's releases, though! Zelda BotW 2, Splatoon 3, Pokemon Legends, hopefully Donkey Kong, Mario Kart 9, Bayonetta 3, the new RPG from Monolith...

TTYD was SO good. Of course team Xbox loves it. It’s a great game. I feel like it’s unobtainable for a lot of newer gamers though due to rarity and price…. So yea Nintendo do a Microsoft and let everyone play it on their Switch’s too

Also (Sega, but still) Billy Hatcher

See Nintendo? Even the people at Xbox love the old Paper Mario!

@HotGoomba I think Nintendo was much more innovative software wise in GameCube era. Look at the risks they took with Mario and Zelda... Big budget games like Metroid Prime and F-Zero that weren't guaranteed to sell well, kirbys air ride, doshin the giant, experimental Mario Kart style with two people per Kart etc... And even their less innovative games like Mario Golf and Mario Party had a hell of a lot more content and less flaws than their most recent entries.

The Wii was brave but I'd argue after that it moved Nintendo more towards gimmicks than proper innovation. They got into a habit of changing things for change's sake which made us suffer a lot of bad control schemes in their games and decisions that didn't always make their games more fun. I feel like things have somewhat improved again in the Switch era though.

Such a simple and easy answer-- Switch is my fav console. But I've really liked NES, SNES, N64, PS1, Dreamcast, Lynx, GB, GBA, PS2, Gamecube, Xbox, 360, Wii, Wii U, 3DS, etc. I've currently got PS3 and PS4 Pro, bit in spite of loving wipEout and other exclusives I wouldn't put those on my favorites list.
and yeah, Nintendo please put Paper Mario Thousand Year Door on Switch!

My favourite console is not a Nintendo console BTW but the Dreamcast! God, Sonic Adventure, Shenmue, Crazy Taxi, Jet Set Radio, Metropolis Street Racer, Marcel VS Capcom 2, Dead or Alive 2 and other games just blew me away. I was devastated it didn't sell better and SEGA had to throw in the towel! 😟

My favorite console of all time is the Super Nintendo, but both the PlayStation 4 and Nintendo Switch have impressed me.

Gamecube was boss

@MrGawain This comment bugs me.

These guys are promoting a less toxic, more healthy, and more mature attitude towards gaming as a whole and you think they are doing a poor job because they aren't stroking xbox's ego 24/7?

They are creating a welcome space for gamers to go to, which is inherently good for gamers, and it's good for xbox because people want to be in that space, and they associate the nicer community with Xbox.

They are actually doing a stellar job.

@Richnj @MrGawain You're both wrong, they do stuff like this to promote and sell more Xbox's to Nintendo and Sony fans, not some kind of noble endeavour! Hence it causing feel good articles like this about Xbox to appear on Nintendo and Sony sites.

@jtmnm this is a false nostalgia. Gc era was literally one of the worst times to be a Nintendo fanboy.

@Trajan How so? I loved it and the console war arguments on the forums at the time were hilarious. Of course it was frustrating it didn't sell well but the games were amazing.

@Clyde_Radcliffe I literally said it's good for xbox because it appeals to people and makes people want to be in that space.

@korosanbo the Gamecube was underrated because of very poor system sales. At the time most people didn't take the console seriously, saying it's a system for kids, it looks like a lunch box, ect.... in reality the console was powerful (not something Nintendo cares about now a days) and had a wide variety of games for everyone. It definitely wasn't appreciated by most at the time.
Sure people look back on it now and realize how great of a console it truly was but that wasn't the case during the Xbox/PS2/Gamecube era.

Team Xbox is faker than a fast food restaurant’s Twitter.

@Trajan I don't know about you, but I really liked the GC era.

@Trajan Lol, what?? The worst time to be a Nintendo fan? Why is that??

@EriXz
It's officially called "GCN" for some reason.

I am probably going to sound like a shill, but the whole hybrid shtick makes Switch the best one IMO. But the best gaming platform is still PC.

To me the Gamecube era is nintendo at its best. Regular releases of top titles. They even took a few risks rather than stick to safer franchises.
Plus I really liked the controller, very comfortable.

I really miss those times.

@MrGawain that's dated thinking!! modern marketing is more flexible

@Anti-Matter I own PS1, PS3, PS4 and VITA.

I skipped PS2 because Dreamcast + GameCube combo were superior to PS2.
PS3 is Sony's best console when it comes to exclusives i think.

@Zeldafan79 that just brought back memories there! GameCube was the first console I stood in line for a midnight launch for with my mom and sister. Before it’s release it was kind of odd because the controllers and a few games were released in stores prior to release. I bought rogue squadron, Luigi’s mansion, and monkey ball. I can’t remember the full lineup of launch titles. I also got a spice orange controller and I’d lay in my bed at night in the dark and just hold it squeezing those triggers that clicked and bounce my thumb off the huge A button. I loved that controller. I loved the color options to. The indigo and spice colors were wild but fun. I wish we got the spice console here im the states.

That wire mess hurts my eyes!

I am all on board for the Kumbaya between Microsoft and Nintendo. Xbox/PC + Nintendo is just such a rewarding combination and it’s made better by how positive they are towards one another.

@Ventilator
Well, in different case i am a huge fan of BEMANI rhythm games from Konami so PS2 is the right machine to play BEMANI rhythm games such as Dance Dance Revolution, Para Para Paradise, Drummania, Beatmania IIDX, Pop'n Music, Keyboardmania. Also, i have two PS2 machines (Japan & USA) for different games library build (Japan for BEMANI rhythm games, K-1, Bomberman, Monster Farm 4, etc while USA for DDR, 3D platformer games, quirky games, etc).

I have PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4 & PSP but i completely skip PS VITA for really awful games library due to too many adult games and almost no kiddie games that really capture my interest. If i told you, only two PS VITA games that i have little interest (Reality Fighters, Pets), just only two games. Really awful in my opinion.

If i compare my PlayStation games i have, it will be like this.
PS2 > PS4 > PS3 > PS1 > PSP

Gamecube in my opinion was really weak in term of games library. Only one DDR game (DDR Mario Mix), the Japanese Gamecube games are not interesting as PS2 Japanese games, less interesting games than PS2. I'm not fan of Zelda, Kirby, Pikmin, F-Zero, Smash Bros, Donkey Kong, Metroid, etc so i didn't care with those games on Gamecube. Also, i grew up by PS2 during my college age on year 2000's so Gamecube was not in my radar at all until i already adult and able to purchase Gamecube games and play them with my Wii.

Yeah, the Cube’s probably my favourite too. PS4 and Wii come close. Cube just has so many great games from all sorts of genres and still had great third party support too.

@The_New_Butler Gotta agree, this is the classiest way to do your social media presence. It resonates and makes you seem approachable and open if you act like people who like to play games instead of looking like a bunch of rabid cheerleaders for a particular brand. It might just be a particularly sneaky style of marketing - I freely admit that things like this give me warm feelings towards the XBox brand, so mission accomplished - but it sure beats the alternative of relentlessly putting your competition down all the time.

I hate the console wars. Funnily enough, the Gamecube was the victim of some of the worst behavior of that kind. Sony fanboys relentlessly pushed the "Nintendo is for kidz" party line, even though the GC was every bit as capable as its competitors and had some absolutely killer titles.

I've always been a Nintendo fan, but I also own a PS4 and a (somewhat decrepit) gaming laptop because variety is good. Nintendo is great in its own way, so are Sony and MS. The best system is the one that has the games you want to play right now.

All jokes aside, whoever runs XBOX's social media account is the only one who actually got what gaming's all about...

And of course, at the end of the day, it's a PR account, but following a PR MO that doesn't aim to lower competitors and instead simply reminds people that having fun is more important in this day and age...
That's remarkable.

Ahhh, poitivity...
Those were the days...

I am current going through the pit of 100 trials in ttyd

@Anti-Matter I had a completely different experience than you in the gaming industry. I started gaming nearly 15 years before PS1 even existed, and is why Sony and Microsoft will always be looked at as the "newcomers" on console.

I started with Game & Watch. Then later went onto the legendary Commodore 64 back when the console industry were dead in early 1980's. Gaming computers like C64, Dragon 64, BBC Micro, Dragon 64 etc. is what devs made games on back then. Yes, there was a time when console market were dead.

Sometime later Nintendo launched NES. I had Commodore 128D, multiple Amiga computers, and always had the best and fastest gaming PC during 1990's. I had SNES, PS1, N64, Gameboy 1990, Atari Lynx etc.
CD32 and CDTV were my favourite consoles of the 1990's.

I still own over 90% of gaming systems, PC's, Amiga's etc. i ever bought.
The best gaming period were in 1980's up to year 2000. Then it were mostly recycling for 20 years which is not exciting at all for any gamer who played games since Game & Watch and Arcade machines.

1990's were the best and most innovative decade for hardware, but 1980's were best for games. Second best decade is 1990's for games.
Yeah, i lived through Arcade during it's prime too.
I remember the time when over 10 console brands competed. Today there is only 3.

Easy to see why PS2 were just a "meh" console to me.
PS3 is the only Sony console i ever liked. My PS1 and PS4 were dust collectors mostly.

I even played on the worlds first 3D console in 1983 which were Vectrex. I played on 99% all gaming systems ever including even CD-I, 3DO, Neo Geo (The real console), Atari Jaguar etc.

My PS4 and Xbox One X is dust collectors as my main gaming is on PC. (RTX 3070 + AMD Ryzen 5900X). My other Gaming PC is weak and have about same power as PS5. (RTX 2060).
Switch and Wii U is my runner up systems today.

When that's said, i will still buy Steam Deck PC handheld as soon as possible.
I don't need Xbox Series X as my PC is way more powerful than the console, and plays 100% of Series X games.

I still pay yearly for Game Pass Ultimate, PSN+ and Nintendo online.
Not gonna renew PSN+ summer 2022. Paying for it for 15 years is enough.

My top 3 list of consoles ever:

1.) Commodore CD32
2.) Commodore CDTV
3.) Sega Dreamcast

Top 3 gaming computers:

1.) Commodore 64
2.) Commodore Amiga
3.) PC

It's more people than me here on NL who started with Game & Watch and experienced everything in gaming during it's prime time decades ago.

When it comes to listing my favorite Nintendo consoles of all time, my top 3 would be...
1. Nintendo Gamecube
2. Wii U
3. A tie between the Nintendo 64 and the Wii

At first it was due to nostalgia, but I've recently replayed my N64 and GC games now that I started to rebuild my collections of those systems and they still hold up pretty well.

Sorry, but the Switch is nowhere near being one of my favorite systems.

@HammerGalladeBro Switch can thank Wii U for having a decent library, but overall the worst console Nintendo ever made.
Switch is so barebone compared to Wii U. Feels like a downgraded Wii U in many ways.
I would say GameCube, N64 and Wii U is top 3.

As for Switch. If you remove all Wii U and Wii games on it there isn't that much.
Zelda BOTW were finalized on Wii U, so it's a Wii U game delayed so it could be a Switch launch game.
Also. Several of the Wii U ports looks more dated on Switch than they do on Wii U.

Some more Wii U games shown at E3 2012 were delayed until Switch launched, because Wii U didn't sell that well.

@Ventilator
Well, i'm different kind of gamer unlike everybody here.
I don't play PC games anymore since 2013, even The Sims 3, don't even care with powerful specs from PC.

I have 14 different games from Nintendo, PlayStation and XBOX.

3DS > Switch > Wii > NDS > Wii U > Gamecube > GBA

XBOX > XBOX 360

Wii U was really weak in term of games library, same as Gamecube. GBA was not my childhood games but i only have very few interest from GBA games (K-1 Pocket GrandPrix). I have no interest with N64 as i grew up by PS1 with very memorable games including DDR 3rd Mix that shaped me as Expert DDR player. I have no longer interest with NES and SNES games despite i have little interest with only a few games from them.

XBOX was really odd choices for me as i only got interested by Dance Dance Revolution and Kinect games, nothing else. I added a few 3rd party multi console kids games for XBOX just to build the quantity from only four games (DDR Ultramix 1 - 4) into ten XBOX games.
I don't have the machines yet (XBOX and XBOX 360) but i will try to get XBOX machine to play my purchased DDR Ultramix games and some kids games that i can get with cheaper price on XBOX.

Say, you think Switch is the worst Nintendo console according to your comment to other user. In my opinion, Switch is my 2nd best Nintendo machine for having tons of cute and kiddie games like during Wii and 3DS era. My gaming taste is completely different so i will not looking for AAA games with superior graphics and disturbing contents. I prefer the lower grade, cartoonish games, not so famous games but matching with my interest. I have collected 46 Switch games from 100+ Switch titles on my purchase book, definetely very worthy purchase.

I’d buy TTYD on switch in a micro second if it was announced. Such a great game and by far the best in the paper mario series.

Damn I might need to buy a GameCube again…

@Anti-Matter It's clear than you have totally different taste in games than me as i don't like kiddie games much.
I do like games with "kid gfx" like Mario Kart and Mario Odyssey for example.
If Switch gets a new Mario, i would buy it on day 1. Mario platformers is rarely boring.

The only thing we have in common is probably that i bought most of the niche games for custom add-ons like DDR, DJ Hero, Rock Band, Guitar Hero, DK Bongo drums on GameCube, The Eye of Judgement,. Wonderbook etc. on PS3. Ring Fit Adventure on Switch, and nearly all Kinect games ever made for Xbox 360, AR Games for VITA etc.
I bought far more add-ons these. Just mentioning a few.
Still have it all, because i own a big house and it's all for display in 4 rooms in my house.

If Wii U didn't have a great library, then why are people still begging for Wii U ports when so many is already ported?
I bought over 75 retails on Wii U, and around 160 eShop games.

I didn't buy Switch until may 2019. In 2 years i bought this for Switch.

23 Physical retails.
32 Download Retail games.
109 eShop games.

Just because Switch is my least favourite Nintendo console, it doesn't mean i don't buy games for it.
Newest game bought were Zelda Skyward HD on release on friday as i somehow forgot to ever buy it on Wii.

I never liked PS4 much, but i still bought tons of games on it. Probably completed only around 10 games on PS4.

I have a insane library of games on PS3 and VITA. I won't even start counting them.

Xbox 360 is the system i bought most games on. Probably own around 500 on it.

Paper Banjo-Kazooie when?

Shame GC games are getting so expensive now cause Nintendo wants nothing to do with them. Might as well give the rights to Xbox.

@HotGoomba
i feel like gamecube era nintendo was one of their most creative and unique eras, while the games controlled like any other console the games themselves felt like they shook up the franchises a great deal (to sometimes polarising reception) we had mario cleaning up goop with a water cannon, Luigi getting his own game and it being about hunting ghosts, a mario kart with a unique 2 person mechanic, zelda with sailing and a unique look, first person Metroid and a whole new ip in the form of pikmin. even the games which played it relatively safe had a bunch of creativity, thousand year door was one of those cases where it really built upon what the previous game did and melee was extremely ambitious at the time.

i did feel like the early switch era managed to capture some of that magic, breath of the wild (which was also on wiiu but was begining of switch era) felt very different than prior zelda games and mario odyssey wasnt afraid to get wierd, with some very un-mario settings and characters, im hoping breath of the wild 2 manages to both build upon what the previous game set up while being unique in its own way, and am curious what the next mario will be since bowsers fury's base gameplay (having one big area with multiple regions) felt like an interesting proof of concept.

Xbox giving Mario spin-off characters more love than Nintendo ever will.

Please Nintendo, put Vivian in Mario Kart. I don't know how she'd dive a car or especially bike with one leg (tail?) but that didn't stop King Boo.

@JR150 agree. Leaks/rumors suggest there's already another FE echoes practically finished, so we may get something early next year (fire emblems always seem to release 1st half of the year, at least since awakening). I hope it's an even older one remade, but the GameCube games would be love. They'd definitely have to include both, IMHO.

I sold some GameCube games a few years back while moving. Can't say I'm happy about selling off Path of Radiance etc and not realising the games were worth quite a lot more than I was charging. Sucker = me

Gamecube is a great machine. It holds up well and I agree with Xbox. The best system is the one you enjoy the most.

People at XBOX are just awesome.

Thank you for the Game Pass and Sea of Thieves !

Their response to the console arguments was pretty cool, and I totally agree with it. Kinda wish they would release a bundle of Paper Mario 64/Paper Mario Thousand Year Door for Nintendo Switch similar to Super Mario 3D Allstars collection. Super Mario RPG Allstars collection perhaps? Maybe it doesn't make sense financially.

@I-U I totally get that. I kind of feel the same way too. That type of stuff sends me into relaxation mode and helps relieve stress.

GC was a very weak generation to me. They started of creatively with Pikmin, LM, Animal Crossing and games like Doshin. With games like Metroid Prime dotted about.

But they devolved to iterations without innovation, basically versions of N64 games or with only better looking visuals.

But really 3D Mario, 3D Zelda, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Smash, Paper Mario,etc. didn't close the gap between the N64 and the PS1. Why would iterations do it on GC?

I like the GC games but really they're not anything special.

Like it's no surprise that Nintendo were in a slump until the DS and Nintendogs. Because why wouldn't they be? It's like they expected to become market leader in the 6th gen with largely the same games that failed to accomplish it in the 5th.

@Wavey84

Cool. PS2 had far too much shovelware too.
I weren't much of a Sega fan at all when Dreamcast launched. I tried Daytona 2001 and Crazy Taxi on it on a friends console. Next day i bought my own Dreamcast. It were the last console with a WOW factor i think. Impressive that it came during prime time of PS1 and N64, and were so powerful that it ran PS1 games better than PS1 itself with Bleem emulator. On top of it, it could run N64 games too. What a huge console leap Dreamcast was. The console sure lived up to it's name.

Even as of 2021, Dreamcast is still on my 3 of best consoles ever made.

Thinking of the Gamecube I really miss Extreme-G. What a great racing series.

@Ventilator
"PS2 had far too much shovelware too."

I don't think so as i grew up by PS2 & PS1 games, there are a lot of golden treasures from PS2 games. Well, my gaming preferences on PS2 i have mentioned above were my golden treasures from PS2. Games that considered as trash by some peoples, they are golden treasures by other peoples.

I truly believe GCN would have done better had it not succeeded N64. N64 took Nintendo from a household near-monopoly name where "Nintendo" was a synonym for "video game console" and slapped them back to being a weird also-ran, kind of a forgotten relic clawing for relevancy while the new cool kids were in town. By the time GCN launched, most "gamers" that loved Nintendo in the NES/SNES days had almost forgotten about them and had moved onto more interesting pastures. That in turn dampered the strong start of GCN, with third parties not picking up an interest, thus leaving the library thinner than it would have been if it, instead of N64 were the real SNES follow-up, and leaving it less appealing than it might have been. Mixed with the disc limitations, the price point, etc, N64+GCN really ruined all NES+SNES+GB momentum they'd built from the 80's into the mid-90's. Strange to think the fitness fad that was Wii and Nintendogs was what it took to return them to arrogant monopoly form where they identify as a premium luxury brand. Imagine that in the N64/GCN era?

It's like iPhone turning Apple into a status symbol when it was laughed at pretty much as simple computers for tech-illiterates to use for a decade plus prior.

@Mr-Fuggles777 I think TODAY Nintendo returned to their SNES era of ultra-greed. But when Switch launched they weren't. Beyond the difference in system architecture meaning they couldn't really do BC, the sheer fact that Switch has no disc drive or space for one meant it couldn't be BC with any home console, and I doubt a 3DS cart reader would have fit into the frame without making it bigger. I can forgive them that, but it did prevent Switch from being as amazing as it could have. And we'll no doubt suffer that again with Switch's library on the next hardware. Can't just do BC for digital and leave the physical customers hanging. That's probably grounds for years of litigation.

@MrGawain Yeah, but they're the social/fan marketing, not product marketing. That's why fans like Xbox right now is the image of being a laid back bunch of game fans rather than tight-wad pretentious luxury-brand arteurs like Sony staff. This plays well with that, and sidesteps the brewing console war in their thread all in one post.

Besides. Xbox has the N64's best games.....

@NEStalgia if the next iteration of the switch isn't at least backwards compatible with my digital library that will be the end of my support for Ninteno and will be the first of their consoles I don't buy.
I'm sick of buying the same handful of games repeatedly and getting shafted on price this gen.

Microsoft is giving full access to a large library of your previous gen games (when I picked up my Series S, I instantly had over 300 games ready to install without even looking at gamepass), along with the free next gen upgrades to games purchased on last gen hardware.
Nintendo charges you full price if you want to access your last gen games library on current hardware with minimal QoL improvements.

@Mr-Fuggles777 TBH, I fully expect Nintendo to not have BC on the next console. I've mostly switched to digital on Switch, but I'm fully expecting them to shaft me, which affects some of what I do and don't buy on other platforms. Now, they COULD do it, it would make some sense, and would be nice, but I also expect they wont and am willing to be pleasantly surprised.

Especially with Switch proving they can charge not just full price, but $10-$20 more than original price for old games and still make record sales, why WOULD they let anyone keep their games? Unless it's to encourage swift adoption which might happen. Even with that, I think they otherwise would still allow BC if the architecture is compatible, but the big question is the cartridges. Can they afford that cartridge format, can/will they want to design the new machine as thicc in a way that could even accommodate them? If anything about the ideal design of the machine, or the cost/format of cards means the card reader can't go in, they'll have to drop BC entirely, digital included, to avoid backlash and possible litigation. Obviously it doesn't work saying "anyone who bought this game in this format can keep it, anyone who didn't, can't." Thus Sony's failed Vita UMD reader accessory they cancelled, and Microsoft's proposed "send us your disc" policy for physical to digital conversion. But that's so messy. I hope the next Switch can fit a reader on there and do BC. Nintendo was really the first BC provider. OG 3DS had a DS AND GBA slot on there. Though they dropped that over time. Wii Had GBC support, GBA had GB support, etc. It would be a shame if the first to do BC were the first to abandon it.

MS is spoiling us. I guess the power of being the underdog. But yeah, XB just makes it easy. Old games, new games, new hardware, just play anything you'd like, no hassle, upgrades, transfer fees, or anything else. Just pick your game and play it. SNES was my favorite system of all time. 3DS managed to supplant it. I THOUGHT Switch was going to supplant 3DS the way it was at launch. It may still do so, especially depending on how the BC does or doesn't work to the next console, but pending that, XSX may end up stealing the crown from 3DS. It's just so pleasant and easy to use and your library is just "there" for you.

@NEStalgia totally agree with everything you said.

Ive always been a Microsoft and Nintendo gamer, but I dropped Xbox last gen as the XB1 didn't really have much support so I jumped across to Sony and Nintendo.

The Mrs got me the Series S just because it was so cheap and it would keep me going until I could get hold of a PS5.
I was so happy with it thst I ended up picking up a Series X for the big TV and dropped the idea of a PS5 for now.

I moved the S up to my bedroom and it's amazing that I can be playing a game downstairs, turn it off and pick up exactly where I left off in bed in a matter of minutes - then if I need the toilet I can cast it to my phone and continue playing my game. It's everything I need from the Switch without any of the Compromises or excessive pricing structure.

I've owned every Nintendo console since the SNES but I have become increasingly disillusioned with their business practice and anti consumer approach this gen. It could just be that the competitors have evolved and Nintendo have stayed behind which makes them come across as so backwards thinking.

Its a shame that I love their IP's so much, I think I'm in a Stockholm relationship with them lol.

@Ventilator People are "begging" for Wii U ports NOT bc these games were the greatest, most unheralded games of it's generation - I would say that for the most part it's bc the vast majority of the people who own a Switch never owned a Wii U, nor even knew anyone who owned one.

There are doubtlessly some who think that the original Wii was the Switch's predecessor.

For those who fall into any of those camps, Switch's Wii U ports will for all intents and purposes be brand new games. I, for one, sure am glad that they're doing this, as (for various reasons, ncluding financial ones) I never owned a Wii U either.

It also makes sense that Nintendo would try and make a return on games that on just about any of their other consoles would have sold at least 5 times as many copies. It's a win-win for everyone.

Of course, one could argue about pricing but...for me personally... I'd rather pay a small Nintendo tax on the occasional port than through the hassle of trying to find a decent used Wii U + games on ebay. But, again, that's just me.

@Mr-Fuggles777 LOL, I think a lot of us are in a Stockholm relationship with Nintendo. We're kind of stuck. Myself, I was Nintendo + Sega back in the day, stepped away from Sega after the 32X to SegaCD debacle (I had a 32X, returned it, never jumped in on SegaCD, then abandoned them with Saturn and Dreamcast, like everyone else, lol.) I got burned by Virtual Boy and never got in on N64, at that time I shifted to 100% PC gaming which was both a joyous revolution of a whole new type of games, and a miserable nightmare of incompatibilities and endless hardware troubleshooting I never want to relive. Played some PS1 on emulation, eventually bought a PS2 near the end of its life, then a PS3 when they finally figured out Six Ninety Nine wasn't going to work, then an X360 when I realized everything not made by Sony ran like hot garbage in a portapotty on a PS3. Bought a Wii whenever they were available. "NEW Nintendo" seemed interesting, plus it had GCN support....

X1 launch...yeah, thought the thing was a joke and Xbox got fully Micro$hafted. Went hard to PS4 and WiiU/3DS + Vita (oops). Then Switch which was to be the centerpiece, and at first was, but has become a little lackluster over the years. Picked up an X1X when they launched them. What I thought was going to be a secondary "for the exclusives" console became my main console...I just got really hooked on the whole ecosystem and how it worked.

I preordered PS5 and XSX the moment they became available (including that miserable preorder night I was up till 4 or 5 in the morning before finally getting my Best Buy order through for PS5.) I expected a lot more from PS5. I expected they'd really dig into the BC improvements and PC-ificiation of the ecosystem that XBox was promoting. But they didn't, it's just kind of bare minimum. It's a "nice" box. It' plays some games I can't play on XB, or plays some games better than they play on Switch.....but it's defiitely the side system for the exclusives. And the UI does nothing for me (Seriously, how dare they move the power menu to press rather than press-and-hold. It defies their own history, every other company's history, even Apple. Press and hold should be power, darnit!)

I, too, am starting to use the ability to continue a game on the cloud kind of like a Switch. Tying that couch play to portable play is really convenient when it's all seamless like that. People always ask about "what does Xbox do that PS doesnt? It doesn't have all the Japan games, and the big movie games etc. etc." But it's not about a big thing it does. It's about a thousand little nicities that just makes it pleasant to own and use. PS5 is death by a thousand cuts. It does some big things well. It does a lot of tiny things wrong that XB does well. Those tiny things are just little annoyances in frequent enough doses to make it more annoying and less pleasant. There's nothing you can point to that you can say "this is a horrible function on the console" It's just those thousand things it makes you do in a weird way, or doesn't present to you, or makes slightly irritating to do that add up. Or conversely, things that XB does that "just works" without thinking much about it. Tiny tiny things. But it matters over years. I still like the PS5. But if I had to pick just one, it wouldn't be the PS5.

Currently I see Nintendo reverting back to the 80's Yamauchi "totally not a Yakuza, honest!" years. Every cash grab and anticompetitive practice they can get away with they invoke. Iwata made a lot of mistakes, but he always played cleaner than Yamauchi. Furukawa's gone back in time.

I see Sony glancing over at Nintendo and copying their answers. Every time Nintendo gets away with their premium designer brand antics, Sony tries to copy it, and increasingly, gets away with it. If there's one thing of Nintendo's that shouldn't be copied, it's their business model. Sony's doing too well copying it and going down the same gutter to the glory of their shareholders. MS...we're lucky, for now. They're still the underdog. They still fight to win our business rather than assuming they're owed it because of their designer prestige. Nintendo has made themselves a prestige IP brand. Sony has always fallen back to trying to be a designer brand (Sony Style! Like Gangnam Style, but more expensive.) MS has never been a designer brand, but gouges on Office Maybe they stick around being the underdog that somehow has more money than their competitors. Let's hope!

I want this game on Switch so bad :I

@Boo_Breaker This!!! I got a smile on my face when they did!

@Andy_Witmyer There is also people that think Wii U were a Wii add-on.
In reality Wii U and Switch have about same power, way beyond Wii.

I bought Wii U at launch on impulse, and bought over 75 retails for it + over 150 eShop games.
Switch feels like a downgraded Wii U to me. Most of the great features on Wii U never carried over to Switch.
External HDD support, Folders, Proper Game Statistics, Proper menus, Miiverse, Mario Kart TV and lots of other things. Wii U Pro Gamepad also had 80 hours on 1 charge.
Games were cheaper on Wii U. Games which weren't worth 50 bucks were sold for 30 bucks on Wii U. Donkey Kong, Captain Toad etc. were low budget games on Wii U.

The 30 ports on Switch costs 60 bucks each. Thats just wrong.
I wouldn't call doubling of price a small tax.

Several of the Wii U ports to Switch looks dated vs the originals on Wii U too which is just weird. On top of it, they had to remove dual screen and other featutes from all games even on games it were well implemented on.

Mario Kart sold 8-9 millions on Wii U, so they should just have made Mario Kart 9 for Switch instead.

Don't forget GameCube failed as much as Wii U, and yet they didn't port much from GameCube to cover the losses on GameCube. GameCube didn't sell much more than Wii U.