The Pokémon Company Apologises For Featuring Dewgong In The Fourth Episode Of Twilight Wings

Ha

Haha

Hahahahahahaha

What more could I possibly say?

I could make some comment talking about all of the shenanigans that went on before the sword and shield game came out and then afterwards but really, what more could I add? This pretty much encompasses everything so perfectly that nothing more needs to be said.

Are people really upset about that?

Doesn’t seem that big a deal to me if I’m honest.

I can forgive a lot things.
This however is not one them.

/s

It’s quite impressive how badly Game Freak have handled this entire situation. People will still go out and buy the DLC though so expect to see the same practices in the next games.

Ok, no problem, for me.

At the end of the day, it is an animation, and it is normal some detail that possibly does not fit, it is not so bad.

@Kienda
Check on the internet and the current world, sometimes something so insignificant is the reason for a drama on a level like the pandemic we are experiencing (and I would like to tell you that it is not sarcasm or exaggeration)

@nessisonett Yep, why bother changing when what you're doing is being rewarded?

@Kienda That's perfectly fine, not everyone will find an issue with this.

The main ones will be people who were already upset that pokemon they liked didn't make it and this is seen as salt in the wound.

@Kalmaro Pokemon being shown in the anime that aren't available in game has been a thing since the first ever episode of Pokemon. It's really not a big deal.

@SakuraHaruka Are you seriously running with that comparison, specially after the protests and people being months on quarantine?
...
For some tweets?

@Indielink I know, I was around when they showed Ho-oh before it was even a thing.

That doesn't make this any better though. It just adds to the list of stuff that has made this release so controversial.

The difference between the older shows amd this was that there was really no reason why the pokemon couldn't be added this time, they just chose not to so they could try to sell them to us later.

Lol, big whoopin' deal. Apologize for Sword and Shield in their entirety, maybe.

Eh, if the expansion means more pokemon affected by Dexit come with regional variants, all the better.

I’m still hoping they re make gens 4, 5, and 6 with more regional variants.

Game Freak handled this whole Pokedex fiasco so poorly that it boggles the mind. GF should be grateful that they only make Pokemon games(aside from a few others), and the majority of people defending them are just children(not talking about adult fans geniuses). If GF didn't have these two factors, they would have been eaten alive and thrown in the trash.

Even though this is really a non-issue, it still seems like a poor decision on their part to include wild Pokemon that are not native to Galar in these episodes.

@PcTV

It is true, I may have exaggerated, however, the overreaction is not a joke, of course, not always, so I mentioned "sometimes", that they seriously do a drama for something that is seriously not worth doing (example, madness by Blythe from Smash bros, was that people's reaction really necessary?, after everything else they have received?, does that attitude make you fair?).
And no, not only by Twitter's Tweets do I base myself, I mentioned the internet in general, that is, you see in other web sites, seriously, in many places there is a lot of negativity, a lot of bad attitude and the worst thing is that it was for something consistent, NO, it is for something that is seriously illogical, but, well, that's why I don't even want to comment, sometimes and in topics like this you can't say anything without being treated like you're not welcome...

I didn't even notice. But, then again, I only really know Gen V, VII, and VIII.

Maybe Pokemon 'fans' need to move on if this is the kind of thing that grinds their gears so much.

@bluemage1989 I personally don't see a problem with them being upset, this is just one in a long line of grievances they have lately.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and whatnot.

What's more amusing is that gamefreak even acknowledged that they slipped up.

Can't say i care that much about this, that said i do wish Dewgong was in S&S as its one of my favourite water PM.

They need to apologize for S&S as games.

@graysoncharles I'd say that the difference now is that the pokemon shown that aren't in game already exist now and could be in the game. They just aren't, because money.

It would be different if, say, Ho-oh was in the first game, then they removed it from the second game and told us it would be gone for (insert bogus reason here), then it shows up in kanto anyway in the anime.

@MsJubilee Not necessarily, Nintendo fans eat this crap up and will be first in line to buy the next game long before children get their hands on it, flaws and mismanagement be damned.

You know the world have progressed and is ten times better than the how things were before, when this is something that upsets people. Geeez....

In a rational world, nobody would care. Also wtf cares about dewgong

@graysoncharles You are correct, pokemon is entitled to do what they want.

Just as the fans are entitled to voice their opinions about whatever they want, including what is or isn't in a mainline game.

As an adult, I don't care.

@Kalmaro

Exactly, what you just said is correct, however there is a problem in the latter, when one gives his/her point of view, one should try not to treat other people in a disrespectful way, that is correctly what is called "freedom of expression", right @MsJubilee and @brandonbwii?
Sorry to name them, but that's what I meant by their comments.

Is Dewgong of all things actually making to expanded Dex? An odd choice for sure.

@graysoncharles Some fans did that, no denying that, and I disavow that behavior.

If you ask me, the main thing weakening the fans against dexit is the massive amount of bank Game Freak still got from their game. Money speaks the loudest to businesses.

@SakuraHaruka Freedom of expression is just the idea of being able to express your opinions and whatnot. Being nice about it is something else entirely

I wanna be the very best
But these games won't abide!
Newer models was their excuse.
Turns out that Game Freak lied!
They didn't need to rush these games
To release on holiday!
We could've had the National Dex
If these games were delayed!
Pokémon! Why can't I catch 'em all?! (Explain to me)
Why they should be DLC (Pokémon!)
Oh! You're on your way to becoming the next EA!
Pokémon! Why can't I catch 'em all?! (Just give us the truth!)
Not some dumb BS excuse!
There were different paths to choose!
Pokémon!
Let us catch 'em all!
Let us catch 'em all!
Pokémon!
EDIT: I was seriously bored. I couldn't care less what happens with the franchise; I jumped ship when BW2 came out. I just can't stand the scummy behavior TPC has displayed, especially when they have to apologize when they trip on their own mistakes like this.

@Kalmaro
Sorry, but no of all, to start, "Freedom" is what you say, but there is a "limit" (in any way), and here comes a famous phrase from here in Mexico and for the world:
"Respect for the rights of others is peace"
And that is part of freedom; you have all the freedom to express what you want, think what you want, say what you want, but you must have "INTEGRITY", "TOLERANCE" and above all, "RESPONSABILITY" and "RESPECT" to all.

Pinched a nerve did they?

Ho-Oh has entered the chat.

Misled fans? The entities plaguing the very audience segment that's been rolling on the floor kicking and screaming about "Dexit" since before release? You'd think their hosts of all people would practically know the missing mons by heart now. Maybe even have them all on "avenge the fallen" posters at home.

Have some sense of pride, TPC. All those SwoSh sales numbers are kinda expected to nurture it.

@SakuraHaruka Say who?

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying we should not act with integrity and all that jazz, my question is what standard we're appealing to. There seems to be an assertion that there's a rule saying we have to do those things.

@Kalmaro
Beat me to it.
These news basically comment themselves.

@SakuraHaruka If you took offense to my comment( I think you did if you needed to tag me), I don't know what to tell you.

@KayFiOS
I tried to sing it with a straight face.
I failed.

So? That doesn't mean that it may show up in the expansion pass.

TPCi ought to apologise for having the gall to entice diehard fans with two copies of what amounts to the same game year in and year out and then have the audacity to charge for TWO console-locked expansion packs for content that should have been in the console game-priced base games that contain substantially LESS content than even the earlier 3DS instalments (and yet the Pokédex will STILL be incomplete!). Shameful.

For all of the franchise's faults and TPCi's complacency, I still haven't touched Sword/Shield since the DLC announcement, and while I was considering it too, one of my friends sold off all his Pokémon games (and special edition Pokémon consoles) in response. As someone who has been a fan for 20+ years, TPCi monumentally screwed up thanks to their greed. Not even EA killed my goodwill (with The Sims) as quickly as TPCi have with Sword/Shield, so congratulations.

A future with stupidly overpriced DLC (that costs nearly as much as what I had paid for the standalone and complete DS/3DS games back in the day) when already buying both games (sometimes even a third for a sibling), and two stupidly expensive "cloud storage" subscriptions to round out the experience is a future I don't want to be a part of.

At the moment, the only way that Game Freak can win fans like me back is if they issue a complete (or otherwise alternate) edition with the expansion content on the cartridge, in which case, I will happily buy another two copies, but if not, the Pokémon franchise will have ended at Gen VII for me (and I will probably only consider buying remakes or spin-off games from that point on).

@AlexSora89 It is meant to be a parody, so if you chuckled, then it did its job.

@Indielink

Name one game you couldn't get dewgong in via transfer, GTS, or in the dex itself.

SwSh.

@MsJubilee

For me, there is no problem insulting me, however, I ask you, why for you, a person who "defends" Game Freak is a "childish person"?; If we go to the conflict or fight for opinions, if they tell you that you are a child because you "attack" others that you consider "children", is that fair to you? Isn't it true? We must not act as you mention, we are responsible.
You are correct to say that this Game Freak is bad for the acts it has committed and nobody change your opinion, but it is never a good idea to "attack" others just because they do not share your opinion.

If I were to guess, Dewgong is probably being brought back in the DLC and the wires got crossed in communication with the animation department. They knew Dewgong are in Sw/Sh but didn't know that they aren't in the game YET.

@SakuraHaruka I'm talking about actual children who don't know anything. I'm not talking about adult fans like you.

@graysoncharles It's true the majority of people defending GF are children who don't know any better. And no, I'm talking about adults like yourself( I guess you're an adult, who knows?). I'm legitimately talking about pissants ages 10,12,11, .etc etc. Christ

@Chowdaire
This is most likely what happened.
I expect Dewgong to be transferable to the game by the end of the year, if not as soon as June.

I wish they didn’t include Dewgong just so this tiresome argument about the national dex wouldn’t have come back up again.

While I do think Game Freak handled the situation poorly I don’t think excluding some prior Pokémon is such a big deal.

I actually am cool with DLC. Much prefer it to “Ultra” forms of the game. Even if you don’t buy the DLC, at least you can still access the new Pokémon that get added. I would have had a problem if they were locked behind a paywall.

Side note: Episode 4 was awesome & Nessa is the best new gym leader.

@graysoncharles "You can have "freedom" of speech all you want, as long as you are not violating any other kind of law or using your speech to threaten a life or wrongfully discredit another person."

None of that has anything to do with what I said, which was expressing your opinion. Not calling for violence or slander. We have no laws that prohibits expressing opinions in america that I'm aware of.

@Kalmaro

First, that phrase was said by Benito Juarez (However, the phrase comes from someone else from what I've researched), an important person in the History of Mexico; And well, second, that I remember, if it is law in some places (in some way) and I apologize for not investigating it correctly, but the point is that, we have the right to express what we want as long as we do not affect the integrity of others, in a few words, as I mentioned, being respectful and responsible.

An example that I know is very obvious and that you will understand well:

If I tell you:

> Kalmaro, you have a good point, but I think you don't understand about freedom why... (and here I put the information I found about why correctly)

And now if I tell you:

>Kalmaro, you are (insult here), because you do not understand that freedom is (data), you are seriously a (insert more insults here)

If you see, in both cases, I tell you the same thing, but the first case is respectful, and I tell you in a way so that we have a correct conversation and also that we respect our ideas and opinions; In the second act, as you already know, I simply disrespect you and the only thing I achieve is that I see myself as a fool; But the detail here is that both cases are ""freedom of expression"", but tell me, which is the correct one? The first one, right?
That my point of why that freedom of expression is to express what you want, but respect others.

@MsJubilee
oh, ok.

"Bring back old Pokemon!"

Game Freak: brings back old Pokemon

"NOOOOOO DON'T DO THAT!"

Pffff... people getting upset over "mistakes" made in their electronic entertainment. Perhaps it's high time for another hobby, if it triggers you that much. It's called "entertainment" for a reason, so if you're not entertained, then follow up on those clues, and stop doing that which annoys you so much...

People are SO easily insulted or offended nowadays, it's REALLY beginning to annoy the hell out of me. And then things get SO ridiculous that companies apparently feel the need pressured to apologize for accidentally mentioning a fictional character that's not put into their digital entertainment... (shakes head in utter disbelief)

@Kalmaro There's no difference between this and back then. The anime is being used to show off upcoming Pokemon. As it always has.

They aren't selling the old Pokemon back to us. They're getting added in as a free update that's coming with the expansion.

@Indielink The difference is that the pokemon shown off were pokemon we've already had and we can have now, they just choose not to give them to us.

At the time they showed Ho-oh, we didn't even know what it was.

@SakuraHaruka I'd say neither are right OR wrong, because without a rule to appeal to that says "this is what you're supposed to do" its all opinion.

So the real question is, are you saying there is a rule that demands we speak to each other a certain way? I try to be polite because of my own beliefs and standards.

@graysoncharles "some here implying that we "all" are sell outs and "children" Who said that on here? Me? I never said that I was talking about actual children ages 17 to under.
It seems me you're using these "insults" as leverage on here, cause you can't come up with anything worthwhile.

@Kalmaro
As I mentioned, and I apologize, do not investigate if there are official rules for that, but I think so, but without going so far, here on this web page "there are" rules on how to behave, and simple, if we misbehave, there will be punishment.

You say it yourself at the end, you comment in a way out of respect for your conventions, ideas and respect, and in fact, it should be like this for everyone, and not just for a "rule", it is for "carrying the party in peace "to avoid fighting; and we know that not all of us do it, it is normal that we have "hot discussions", but the point is never to attack and insult another, and that is because, as I have said many times, to be respectful and responsible, and to be responsible As a general rule, that is something that really everyone should have.

I repeat, I am not saying that you cannot express what you want, for example, one can say that a game is "horrible", that the company is "pathetic" but you have to know how to express them and how we pronounce ourselves to others (That is, and I repeat it, without telling them with insults or aggressions).
As they say in the games: "" "There is a time and place for everything, but not now" "" (well, there is no problem here, hehe)

Here's your daily reminder that Anime ≠ Game

@SakuraHaruka Fair enough, I dont think we really disagree on too much anyway.

@Sk1doosh this particular anime is explicitly advertising Sword and Shield. Its advertising is basically saying:

"Like these Pokemon? Use them in your own team in Sword and Shield. Out now!"

As Dewgong is used to advertise Sword and Shield, a game its not in, it is grounds for false advertising. Dewgong may get patched in later, but the first season pass content is 2 months away and not 'out now'.

@Kalmaro
oh, ok, Either way, thanks for listening, well, reading ^.^

Oh my Gosh..why are the Anti-Dexters so much against National Dex, does the national dex hurt you? It's not like Gamefreak gave the games for free...We are paying customers and have the right to demand better especially when a $40 3ds have more content and full Pokemon roster than a more powerful and capable hardware that is the switch...

Some people have no common sense and just follow the crowd, they even Let big corporates step on them and scam them if it means their opinion will be accepted by the majority of common minds...Sword and shield suck

Dewgon is possibly going to be added within the upcoming DLC updates, but i do wonder about that possibility seeing as they went as far as to apologize for "misleading" which makes me think it might not be added in the DLC, will just have to wait and see. Have they properly thought it through they could have used Primarina instead of Dewgon.

On a side note, how many of the people getting salty about this would actually even use a Dewgon in-game anyways? In the long run, it is just another excuse to complain again...

Let's be honest here. This whole Dexit thing got old real fast months ago. They're adding 200+ Pokemon for FREE in the next wave of DLC. And when the next game comes out (if that's Diamond & Pearl remakes or Gen IX) the rest will be there as they'll probably get retroactively added. By that point how much of this whining and complaining really matter? And NO the Dexit people won't have won because this was something they wanted to do for the base game, but there is something called scope and feature creep. They're over 800+ pokemon with now regional variations. No way is it feasible to expect all of them to be in the first gen of a new platform... Or ever again. No one can expect that as a rationale expectation. They're have been less Pokemon added per-gen since Gen V, and that's been a good thing. Otherwise... Geez... I'm just so sick of Dexit and just want to enjoy Pokemon for what it is. A fun collect'em RPG game that is mostly aimed for children!

@Wexter They aren't doing it 'for free'. Even if you don't pay for the DLC, someone else still has to, but even if they were available at no monetary cost whatsoever, that's just a simple marketing ploy. Imagine if Nintendo had released Breath of the Wild at full price, but you could only explore the plateau and the rest of the world map was released piece by piece over the course of the following year, that's not 'adding stuff in for free', that's just readding the content they took out on purpose. Hey, that sounds a bit like Animal Crossing New Horizons.

Also, all games are made for children (even and especially those with lots of 'pew pew' weapons and naked people).

I hope that going forward all Pokemon games only include a selection of the dex. I’m not trolling I honestly found it way more fun! I was actually able to aim for and achieve completing the dex, most battles had brand new Pokemon or at least new versions of them that kept it interesting instead of the same creatures I’ve battled since Blue. The game wasn’t without it’s faults but the last time I had half as much fun was Black and White which licked off old gems until the story was complete.

A lot of my old favourites were gone too, but I wouldn’t swap out any of my new team for them if they were there!

@Wexter fyi without the whining and complaining them adding back the rest of pokemon would've been impossible since they seem to be following the footsteps of EA but thanks to the backlash them adding it all back now seems like a high possibility and NO protesting for the National Dex Will never get old, As Paying Customers We Deserve Better...

@nessisonett exactly, I totally agree.

I'm kinda losing hope in AAA games because, for as predatory and blatantly money-hungry as they are, people will still gobble them up. And I'm generalizing and including COD, FIFA, Fortnite and the likes here.

The saddest thing is that the vast majority of people who play these games do it because they're the most popular and don't have the "gaming literacy" nor interest we forum dwellers have, and that's exactly why they see nothing wrong with this monetization practices. And that makes them prime targets for scummy companies looking for a quick buck. It's a really, really sad state of things.

@Wexter while I agree that expecting every single Pokémon to be included forever is kinda unrealistic, you probably already know that the issue people have is with the false and baseless excuses GF gave.
But aside from it, in light of my previous paragraph, the fact that they're aimed at unsuspecting children makes it even worse.

I've already recommended it on Push Square, but I'll do it here: if you're interested in/tired of monetization BS in games, check out Folding Ideas' YT video "Manufactured Discontent".
I'll never get tired of recommending it lol

@clvr No it is realistic to Add All Pokemon...the Switch is like 100X more powerful than 3ds, and if the 3ds can do it the Switch can do it, And so are the successor of the Switch for generation 9 and 10 of Pokemon...the Higher Ups at Gamefreak just seems to be getting greedy and is Prioritizing profit over quality content... Money is the root of all evil

Switch: Gen 8, Gen 4 remake & Gen 9 Can add all Pokemon

Switch 2 More Powerful & Capable Hardware than Switch: Gen 10, Gen 5 Remake & Gen 11, Can add all Pokemon

Switch 3 More Powerful & Capable Hardware than Switch 2: Gen 12, Gen 6 Remake & Gen 13, Can add all Pokemon

It's All about Money and Greed for Gamefreak at this Point...

Switch 4 More Powerful and Capable Hardware than Switch 3: Gen 14, Gen 7 Remake & Gen 15, Can add All Pokemon.

I could go on and on and on and on...

Switch 5, More Powerful and Capable Hardware than Switch 4: Gen 16, Gen 8 Remake & Gen 17, Can Add All Pokemon......

@Twerktwerk I'm not really sure about Switch 6 though, what's your stance on that?

Jk I'm just pulling your leg 😉

@nintendoknife except it is a free update that these Pokemon have been added to the base game. You don't have to spend a single dime to get them ... The same way you had to pay for Pokemon Bank or the other Pokemon games in the past. So if you already caught said Pokemon they can be transferred to SwSh. Just like to get said Pokemon from X&Y to Sun & Moon you needed Bank or for someone to trade them to you... It's like this only became an issues because Dexit like outrage and feel they are righteous consumer advocates. Shocker.

Pokemon fans keep buying the games. They only have themselves to blame for the situation.

Switch is Capable enough and can add all Pokemon!!!! And So are its Successors, Switch 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 and infinite numbers Gamefreak and TPCI are being selfish and greedy jerks and we logical and independent thinking individuals who is not a Dormat to big corporates who don't give two fingers about their consumers will never settle for less...

#BringBackAllPokemon
#NeverSettleforLess
#PokemonFranchiseDeserveBetter

@clvr Oh yes I won't argue the reason they gave is questionable. Or even underplaying the logistical nightmare it must have been. Just sick of the whining and the "righteous fervor" as if this is a life or death decision GF made. It's just impractical and I wish more people gave consideration of just how unrealistic National Dex has always been in concept and scope. It's a borderline miracle they did it for this long without major cuts before.

It's like for example complaining that the recent Elder Scrolls games won't let you go to multiple regions when that was a thing in Arena and Daggerfall. Even, Morrowind was a bit of a lie because you aren't exploring Morrowind, but just the island of Vvardenfell. It's just unrealistic scope for that to always be a thing where an ES game allows for the explanation of multiple provenances. And yes I know Beyond Skyrim modding project is a thing, but that's not out yet and even then they're not doing all of Tamriel.

This is Pokemon and not elders scroll since the beginning of the franchise we've been able to transfer all Pokemon from one Gen to another without hiccups, but now They decided to be EA and Prioritize Money Over Quality As long time fan I and probably others refuse to settle for mediocrity and less while paying for more...Big Corporates who don't give two fingers about their consumers should stop their Anti-Consumer practices Now...

It’s not like they excluded Pokémon and replaced them with nothing... I don’t get the problem. Who cares?!?! Was anyone main-ing Dewgong?!?!?! Was he even in their party ever?????
Gimme a break.
At some point as Pokemon continues to expand they will have to leave out some. Get over it.

It's ok to have National Dex, National Dex won't hurt or kill you..

I don’t understand why people are trying to defend a massive company that’s purposely cutting the quality of their content to see if they can still make the same profit for less work/effort. Could anyone tell me?

@TimboSlice NO WE WILL NOT GET OVER IT LIKE I SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN, Switch is more than Capable hardware and they can put all Pokemon if they wanted and not be consumed by corporate greed, So are the Succesor of Switch and the successor of the Switch are pretty much Capable of Handling All Pokemon even if they reach 2000 it's up to Gamefreak now to stop being selfish and greedy..

@Twerktwerk except they're not. Odds are you are already paying for Pokemon Home if you already caught all of these Pokemon in the past. Or you have friends who caught said Pokemon. Even if you don't buy the expansion you can get these Pokemon without spending anymore than you already have. If you're saying you want to be able to catch all 800+ Pokemon in the base game... Then A, that has never been a thing to catch every Pokemon (legit) in a single game ever in the franchise. B it's actually much cheeper now to do it than ever before because to get every Pokemon in a game. For example for Ruby/Sapphire to get a complete national dex you need a GameCube, a GBA link cable, two GC games (Colosseum/XD + Bonus Discs) and Fire Red, Leaf Green and a copy of either Ruby or Sapphire (not including the game you want the Pokemon in and the GBA to play the game on). Do the math on how much that would cost you. As Pokemon gets older as a franchise the scope of having potentially 900+ Pokemon in a game with a constently expanding roster is a logistical and developmental scope nightmare. It's not realistic expectations. The same way you can't expect to be able to explore all of Tamriel (or even multiple full proviences) in new Elder Scrolls games like you could in Arena and Daggerfall. It's not realistic get your expectations in check or else prepared to be constently disappointed.

I'm willing to pay for bank to transfer all Pokemon that I Have even though it should have been a one time pay to use the app but you know Corporate Greed, if it weren't for the backlash I don't think they'll add the 200+ mons but thanks to the community's tireless protest we might get all Pokemon added in by the time Diamond and Pearl Remakes Come out so Finally the Anti-Dexters, Pro Anti-Consumer Shills can Finally shut up.

Also I disagree they can totally Add all Pokemon in Switch and Future Hardwares as well, the ball is in Gamefreak now if they are gonna be, Lazy, incompetent, and Greedy..

If Pokemon was under better management I'm sure it’s possible for them to hire professionals to code a flexible engine that could have all the Pokemon and be reused for multiple games while being added to. they are a large company but not run well. They still are trying to profit themselves from 1 group (children) and discarding their ever-growing group of older long time fans that want improvements such as difficulty, the national dex and story. I think the gigamax gimmick was only made to look good to investors.

Switch: Can add All Pokemon

Switch 2: Can add All Pokemon

Switch 3: Can add All Pokemon

Switch 4: Can add All Pokemon

Switch 5: Can add All Pokemon

Switch 6: Can add All Pokemon

Switch 7: Can add All Pokemon

Switch 8: Can add All Pokemon

Switch 9: Can add All Pokemon

Switch 10: Can add All Pokemon

By the time Switch 11 comes out pokemon roster might reach 3000 and they can still add all Pokemon, as each Hardware Successor is more Powerful and Capable than the previous Hardware...

@graysoncharles "It's ok to NOT have National Dex. not having all the Pokemon won't hurt or kill you, and if it does, you really need to see a professional"

It's ok to have National Dex. having all the Pokemon won't hurt or kill you, and if it does, you really need to see a professional..😉😉😉

@Twerktwerk question. When did you start playing Pokemon? Because I started with Red and Blue. I was very happy when I got my copy of Silver and I loved each and every Pokemon I caught. But when Ruby came out I could not transfer my Pokemon from the GBC games to the GBA games. And when Pearl let you transfer from the GBA games the DS games it was a pleasant surprise. But, I always understood that at some point like my copy of Silver that these Pokemon might not be able to be transferred to the new games.

So National Dex while nice in principle and the ability to transfer Pokemon from the old games is nice. It's not possible to allow you to do it forever. At some point the scope of what you're asking will simply impossible without the game being fundamentally broken. Like 97% of the current roster is not even viable in competitive play. At some point Pokemon will become like the YuGiOh card game where cards are just kept in circulation because tradition no matter how broken the game is.

Do you really just want National Dex because it makes the game better? More fun? Better competitive play? Or just because it's tradition? I think your just whining at this point. As nothing you've said has convinced me otherwise.

@Wexter Fire Red and Leaf Green so are you gonna shnitz on me again? I was able to transfer all pokemon ever since and us Dexters will Never silenced by Pro Anti Consumers and Shills who love supporting Anti Consumer Companies..

@graysoncharles you're definitely the troll stop projecting yourself to me...you're funny😆

@Twerktwerk I'm just a guy who has realistic expectations. You're the one who needs to realize how nuts you sound. I've been very respectful in my repies and you've not made a single point that makes any coherent sense. Like just explain to me why this is such a big deal for you without just using hyperbole, strawman logic or name-calling. Just one reason? Even if it's an emotional one I'm fine with that.

@Wexter I don't care how nutz I sound as long our voice are heard and Gamefreak finally add all the pokemon and stop being Anti consumer we will continue to speak until such anti consumerism is stop by gamefreak...I'm sure u understand our qualms so let us be...unless your job is to gaslight us then who cares... we will continue to protest and speak until a reversal is made and all Pokemon are added no matter how long it takes...

@Twerktwerk I'm not gaslighting I'm just asking why you're so passionate about this beyond the 'stick it to the man' montra your saying? Even if it's an emotional one you'll get way farther explaining why your passionate about this in a way people will understand. It's called active listening and communication. It's rather basic stuff. So I will ask again. Why is National Dex so important to you?

@Wexter So I can Transfer all my pokemon and my favorites...simple answer, but my guess is my answer won't satisfy you and you will try to add another argument to prove why having no National Dex is better and inevitable, I can see it from miles away..

@Twerktwerk gotcha. Makes sense and that's an okay answer. Was that so hard? But, I will remind you at some point what your asking won't be possible. The scope of having everyone's favourites will get too big. But, there will always be new favourites. Just chill bro, and just start from there next time rather than calling someone "anti-consumer" when they're not. It'll get you farther.

@Wexter let's agree to disagree in some aspects morally superior being, I definitely think they can add all Pokemon if they wanted with the current hardware and beyond...

@SakuraHaruka I say fans will eat anything Nintendo puts out as one myself. I find myself defending them when my favorite franchises are attacked as well. It’s not exactly a bad thing all the time.

I clicked on this expecting to learn that this pokemon was somehow culturally insensitive. This is some weak tea.

they have no reason to apologize they did nothing wrong

Well maybe it's available in the DLC??

@Wexter oh don't get me wrong, I do agree that it was a "when?" more than an "if"! It's not like they can keep bloating the scope forever, we're on the same page!

Edit: how I wish I could be as patient and collected as you are, by the way!
It's not the first time I've seen you dive headfirst into arguments that would've made me mad as hell halfway through 😆 props to you!

@Menardi Thanks! I never actually tried catching every Pokémon except in Blue, and I only ever completed Sinnoh's Regional Dex, but there are people who stuck with the series longer than I have, who do care about catching each and every Pokémon, then carrying them over into the next game, and TPC did 'em dirty. I just hate how each game has to have a new gimmick that gets progressively more and more stupid.

@KayFiOS Technically, they did everyone dirty since they lied to everyone.

It's just that not everyone cares.

@Kalmaro Too true.

@Menardi Whew, just finished that wall of text.

I've got nothing to add, you've said pretty much everything I would have. For me, I would have gladly paid for more of the same, it's the dishonesty and the fact that people don't care that rubs me the wrong way. I KNOW gamefreak can do better, but they have no incentive to.

@Menardi I agree with pretty much all of that. TPC needs to do more than make slight gameplay improvements moving forward, but the unfortunate truth is that they won't, and people will still buy these games. I'm finding better Pokémon-like experiences outside of Pokémon lately; Persona 4 Golden introduced me to the series earlier this year, and didn't just offer a better story than I'll ever expect from Pokémon, but even compelled me to try getting as many Personas as I could. I'm not trying to sound like a Shin Megami Tensei fanboy, least of all when I've only played one game; I know Pokémon and Persona are two entirely different entities, but the latter is scratching that itch that the former hasn't been able to reach since Gen V.

While an apology is a bit much for what is (to me) a non-issue, a lot of people out there are running everything pokemon-related through a sieve for clues as to which pokemon will be returning in the DLC.

I for one hope that the abundance of merchandise through the years means my buddy Shaymin will be back, for instance, and from that perspective i can see that some people would have gotten their hopes up when Dewgong showed up in that Nessa special.

This means that, in the future they're likely to forgo putting Pokemon in things if they're not in the current game. That's kinda lame.

But it doesn't matter much to me. I'm a Gen 1er!!1

People whine too much. Non issue.

@adema16 Does that count as whining?

@Menardi
Everything you said was spot on. I couldn't have said it better myself; you made every point that I wanted to make in regards to the state of the Pokemon franchise.

The studio producing the mainline games, AKA the engine powering what is, quite literally, the largest media IP in the history of the world, is intentionally mismanaged in order to preserve the nostalgic resemblance of an indie company, by their own admission.

Pure and unadulterated hubris; an ego matched in size only by the scale of their continued blockbuster success.

@KayFiOS
An interesting comparison I cannot get out of my mind, as far as pure gameplay goes, is Astral Chain. Simply swap out your Legion models with Pokemon, and you would have yourself substantial gameplay interactions with your Pokemon: riding Pokemon as mounts, opening doors, navigating the environment, all things I desperately wish I could do in a next-generation Pokemon game. In fact, just swap out Sword Legion for Scyther, and you have yourself a pretty great base for Pokemon action combat. Really, the more I think about it, you could just swap out all of Astral Chain's art design with Pokemon, and you could have yourself a Detective Pikachu Action RPG.

I honestly wouldn't mind if the next Pokemon game only had 100 Pokemon. If I could use all 100 of those Pokemon in unique and interesting ways in the environment, like sailing, flying, platforming, etc., then it would be totally worth the trade-off in my eyes.

An interesting subtlety that I always see in fan art for Pokemon is something quite curiously and stubbornly absent from the mainline Pokemon games: interactivity. Interacting and engaging with your Pokemon in the environment, not just in some isolated mini game like Pokemon Camp. Just simple lifestyle things that I see in fan art like using your Pokemon like a sailboat to go fishing out on the water is something I would absolutely love to do in a mainline game.

But instead, to traverse over water, our bikes magically and inexplicably become water paddle bikes! What convenience!

EDIT: I mistakenly quoted the inverse profiles. Fix'd

More CLICKBAITING is the name of the name.

Zero need to apologize.

Not to continue beating dead horses. But a couple of things I just wanted to add:

I got over the cut in accessable Pokémon quickly. It was what it was. I didn't care so much for their being no National Pokedex in the game only because there wasn't one in Sun and Moon (it was outsourced to Pokémon Bank at that point). But you could import and eventually use all of your Pokémon and that was nice option to have.

Which leads me to my next point and that was Game Freak and the Pokémon Company's really poor way in first communicating the cut in Pokémon accessable and then the subsequent change of heart or about face. And yeah, you can argue those of us who were not happy about the decision initially should be happy they're bringing some back. But for me, the whole thing felt a bit dishonest.

I mean, no real great reason was ever given for the cut and then you play the game and there's nothing apparent in the game to justify why it was done. And again, they were adamant that the other Pokémon would come back in future titles.....only to then announce DLC that kind of contradicts that. While I do acknowledge the fact you don't technically have to buy the DLC to get those Pokémon, the optics of it all came off as not really being on the up and up with their intentions

@Damo responding to my post is clickbait.

@Menardi
Whoops, I mistakenly quoted the inverse profiles. I meant to reply to you with my first paragraph.

Regardless, I agree completely with your latest thoughts. HM's were archaic and practically browser-based due to the technical limitations, but they were necessary role-playing mechanics to utilize your Pokemon in the environment. Instead of overhauling these mechanics, GameFreak simply drops them in favor of Uber-esque Poke renting, arbitrarily using Pokemon generated out of thin air. This completely diluted the role-playing experience, because it removed all agency from your own Pokemon. And now, you can't even ride Pokemon at all.

@UmbreonsPapa
To me, this is all a chain of unfortunate events where everyone, yes, everyone (including us) has a responsibility for what has happened here.

I can not say that Game Freak is doing "dirty business" just because when they announced a DLC that "most likely" was already planned, it was not planned to add the missing Pokemon that decided to "OMIT" for this generation, they were not appear forever, they would only be omitted in this generation for many reasons that have already been mentioned in many previous discussions, but the point is that they would not be in this generation, however, so much (so much!!) was the insistence of the people, of the fans that those pokemon would return that when it was "fulfilled desire" was at the worst moment, when the DLC was announced, and the result, almost many people believe that this was a shameless business plan, however, seeing many things, in my opinion, it is not so, but, well.
Other points like the graphic mismatch, well, here I do not deny it, if you see a lack of polish in the game, but it is not serious as many want to see it; Other things like history, well, if we know Pokemon has almost always had a very "basic" history in many of its generations, but hey, this for me is everyone's perspective; now and finally despite those lacks, the addition like Pokemon Camp, for me, is the BEST thing they could add in these games, we can finally interact with Pokemon at a better level as it was with Pokemon Amie in X&Y In addition, in the Wil Area, when putting the online, the game is almost steps from being an MMO, something that also in X&Y was already advanced when using the Pokemon Player Search System (PSS); Anyway, these games have many interesting things as well as some disagreements, but the things that have happened have overshadowed all this.

In the end, for me, I apply what would be called "putting everything into question", that is, ""it may be true or it may not be true"", because one thing is true, we here, nobody really knows what happened and what It is happening, only, and only Ninetndo, Game Freak and Pokemon Company know what has been happening; and well, now as we see, the personal opinions that it really happens is, well, that is personal, even when is said that there are clear "clues", if we analyze well, those clear clues may not be the true ones, but well, one thing is also true, everything falls under its weight, and if they do a great deception, at some point everything will be reversed and well, it hurts for them, as they say, Karma pays and pays very hard.

Well, I already thought a lot, and this topic really tires me because of so many conflicts that it entails, for me, I just want to enjoy the games and I will no longer participate in these topic; And excuse me if there is a grammatical error, it really was a lot of text.

@SakuraHaruka Graphics were a big deal because they made it a big deal. They said that stuff was being removed to make way for improved models. That turned out to be a lie though. If they had just said they couldn't fit in everything due to time constraints people would have been nicer.

@clvr glad we're on the same page! And I used to work for Apple. You develop the patience of a saint that way! That and my ex was bipolar so that helped. 😂 I sometimes feel like the odd man out because I adore Sword and Shield, but am rather meh on Sun and Moon and USUM.

@Kalmaro

I mentioned that I don't want to talk about this topic anymore, but I will make an exception; Yes, it is true, and we all know that Game Freak "lied" when after announcing that not all Pokemon would appear in Shield and Sword, the excuse they gave was for the graphic work involved and the final result was not what was expected ; However, I will tell you one thing, which for me, is not the Big Deal as many want to see it; why?, because I am not interested in whether or not a game has the performance of 60 fps and 4K, personally no; In addition, so many years in this of video games and so many notices that games should be seen as realistic and surprise !!, shameless deception, but, I do not care about that, I care more than anything that the game works correctly and is enjoyed when playing ; Shield and Sword fulfill that.

Yes, it was also not pleasant that not all Pokemon would be in this generation, come on, my Favorite Pokemon: Meloetta was not available at that time for Shield and Sword and is my favorite Pokemon of all, I love her very much and in this generation I would not be , but a question, should I bother? No, because for me, it is not the Big Deal, yes, it is sad not to have her, but it is not the Big Deal; because so many Pokemon that still exist, as to bother me for the few that would not be in this generation, also, this would be a good plan if you think about it, the strategy and tatics would change, something that would be interesting to see, and more in battles online; And also, also, they did not say that the lack of those Pokemon was permanent, that in future generations those missing Pokemon would appear, so my Meloetta would be in the 9th generation, it was just waiting.

Yes, really yes, Game Freak lied, I recognize it and I have recognized it, but, answer a question, which company does not lie? Tell me? They lie to their public, let's not kid ourselves that there is a 100% honest company.

As I mentioned in the previous post, what I put "in question" is something that is probably much more annoying than the previous one, but, I repeat, it is something that we really do not know, we only suppose it, and I, personally I don't suppose anything, and I just want to enjoy the games, that's all; And I repeat it, if something is wrong, in some way or another, "karma" will do its job, and if Game Freak did that dirty trick, somehow it will pay for it, it is just waiting, and, I personally do not "attack" without seeing the facts as ""really"" happened and I don't know what really happened, so just to wait and while enjoying the games, that's it.

Ok, sorry again for the long post; and with everything I mentioned, I made my position clear on this, so I repeat, I don't want to talk about this anymore.

@Wexter oh I see, good for you! 😄 patience is a great virtue, but I'm quite lacking in that regard lol

Back on topic: to be honest I skipped both Gen VII and VIII as I'm quite disappointed with how archaic the series is still, especially on a console that showed us how other big name Nintendo franchises could get a shot in the arm and reinvent themselves more than successfully.
So far it's been a choice made out of principle, but I'll admit that I've been feeling some withdrawal now and then during the last two years, so I may cave in and get a second hand copy someday.
If they make Galarian Slowbro and Slowking cool, I don't think I'll be able to contain myself anymore lol 😛

In a normal situation I would say that this is a small issue that people made bigger than it actually is. Like, featuring a Pokemon not avaliable in the newest Pokemon games on an animation made to promote those titles seems small and probably TPCi decided to apologize (even though probably not a lot of people cared beforehand) to avoid being accused of false advertising (since this is a promotion of SWSH after all). But, to be honest, and maybe this is an unpopular opinion now, TPCi deserves all the hate they got for the Dexit fiasco.

I'm not talking about the desition of not including the National Dex itself, but how they handle it. Like, the PR of SWSH and of this desition itself was AWFUL. They are lucky Pokemon is a franchise that is right now too big to fail and the big part of it's audience are kids. Like, a mainline Pokemon game could come out tomorrow with no advertising outside of being a new mainline Pokemon game and would probably sell 5+ million units easily. And that's outside the new big Pokemon game having some clear signs of their development teams being incredibly unexperienced and with a REALLY restrictive template to actually do changes (between "muh tradition" and the tight development deadlines).
Also, it's incredibly sad to see how some people are defending GameFreak in this situation. Basically, to avoid talking about the game and all the issues that people are bringing up about Pokemon, they proceed to try to discredit the people doing the complaints. What I said doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is that, if you complain about Pokemon, you are the same as some random person on Twitter that tried to accuse Masuda of sexual assault. Or you are just "overexagerating" or that they should shut up because a bunch of people bought the game therefore you can't say anything negative about it. But those that defend GameFreak like this are never "toxic", right?

Honestly I love that they cut down the dex. Not all my favourites are in Sword and Shield, in fact they made one of my favourites look ridiculous (Galarian Darmanitan). But the fact that there were much less pokemon actually drove me to complete the dex for the first time in my life in the 20 years I've been playing pokemon.

Besides as nice as it is transferring old pokemon over it's not really a priority for me because it's mainly just a hassle. I understand why people want to just bring over their pokemon from previous generations and stuff but for me it's just extra work to bring them over only to then what? Leave them in a box forever until the next transfer. For dex completion purposes Sw/Sh handled that quite decently. The only issue I had was trying to find a Drampa and a Zamazenta. So much easier than going hunting in previous gens.

Plus it was nice to see a VGC tournament in which every trainer didn't just use the same 6-7 pokemon over and over and over again.

I don't think the reasons they gave were valid. In fact they seemed pretty lazy but it doesn't really bother me because I enjoyed Sword and Shield for what they were. Were they perfect? Heck no. The Wild Area does lag and without online mode on can feel empty, plus pokemon don't really interact with each other or migrate, and really the Wild area should feel bigger (for example the forest area feels more like a park than an actual forest, and the sandy area feels like a giant sandbox rather than a desert). I also have other issues with the game but meh.

They were fun. Gamefreak should definitely get some backlash for their reasons and how they handled PR.

Personally I'm happy with Sw/Sh and gen 4 remakes having their dexes halved (as well as the rest of the games moving forward) to accommodate new players and those looking to complete the dex/shiny hunt. Pokemon Home can have the national dex since that seems to be the new main hub for pokemon transfers anyway.

Plus if the Switch is someone's first console and they never had a 3ds I think Sw/Sh works fine. I mean imagine being a new player and being told "hey this is pokemon, there's over 800 to catch.....have fun" they'd probably find it a bit overwhelming. Plus this way each and every pokemon in the game for the new console generation can be captured without needing previous gens.

Anyway that's just my opinion

@Dremp Your opinion is appreciated. What would your thoughts be on them just including all the pokemon but locking tournaments to just regional pokemon, to shake up diversity?

@Kalmaro Thank you. Honestly? I'd still like the idea of the dex being cut. It just helps new and returning players complete the dex easier. Plus it makes sense to not have all the pokemon in every region.

I do think the national dex should exist in a game, but I don't think it's necessary or fundamental to enjoying the game. Not to invalidate everyone else's feelings and opinions but personally I've played every pokemon game from gen 1 and own every version from Gen 3 onwards. Not once did I really care or think about the national dex other than "whatever can I continue with the post-game/exploring/battle frontier now". The fact that it was cut actually drove me to completing the dex this time whereas before that the sheer number of pokemon just made me not want to bother.

I do like that Pokemon Home has the national dex as a side thing. It makes more sense to me. Like a region has the pokemon it has. In the story of the game these new transferred pokemon just appeared out of nowhere for your character. Just weird and there's no way to explain it. Sevii Islands is a great way to introduce Johto/Hoenn pokemon to Kanto and ORAS/USUM had decent ways of explaining these new pokemon just appearing out of nowhere (hoops and alternate dimensions respectively), but HGSS/DPPt? Not so much Same with X/Y. There's just no story reason as to why they should be in that region and how your character came across them.

What might be a better way to handle it is to have a free massive Pokemon game (which would work like an MMO), tied to the main series with all regions included, the MMO would have a smaller list of catchable pokemon per region but would allow you to transfer pokemon in at an earlier stage and once you transfer a pokemon in you can then unlock it in the region making it catchable for shiny hunting. Connect that to pokemon Home and moving forward have region dexes only in the main series. That way the massive game would be a collection of all your pokemon, which you could then use to fight, breed, do contests, musicals etc

Then they could just keep expanding on that with the Pokemon main series acting as a sort of support for the massive game/way of getting to know the newer pokemon/easier and more approachable way to complete the dexes. Would also make sense from a story point because in these games you wouldn't be Red/Gold/Crys/Ruby/Sapphire/Diamond/Platinum/etc you'd be you.

That way GF would satisfy a) people wanting a massive game with all the regions, b) people wanting the national dex, c) would have a massive main game similar to the likes of world of warcraft to house all their competitions which could then be endlessly expanded on d) expand their competitions if they really wanted to to contests, musicals etc for anyone who isn't a big battle fan e) an easy and more fun way of distributing event legendaries (could make them world bosses or raids similar to max raids), f) still make their money on the main series and there's lots more benefits.

More importantly it would bring together the pokemon community into one game where everyone can do what they want with pokemon, whether it's collect them/shiny hunt them Anyway it's just a thought....

Apologies I didn't mean for the comment to get this long but I got carried away with the massive game idea haha......

@Dremp No no, you're fine. You've clearly put a lot of thought into this.

I think the pokedex issue could have been solved simply by only making catching regional pokemon count for anything, with the others just being optional.

Shoot they could even make it so that the other pokemon didn't show up until after you did the main dex, just spitballing.

A pokemon MMO would be amazing, people are acting like it would he impossible for Gamefreak to fit everything on a cartridge (I don't believe but whatever) so having everything online could work.

In fact, just make a game where regional pokemon are on the cartridge and expanded pokemon are online unless you get them downloaded separately.

@Kalmaro Maybe but to anyone with OCD seeing the empty spaces wouldn't feel complete. Personally if I see empty spaces on the dex it's not complete regardless of what the game says.

Could have also explained it away as migration due to the dynamax phenomenon. Maybe Rose's experiments drove some of the native pokemon away. Could explain the pokemon fleeing to the isle of armor and the frozen tundra. and the galarian slowpoke at wedgehurst station could be the first of them migrating back.

If I remember correctly in 2014 in an interviewJunichi Masuda did say that if they could implement it if they found a way to make it interesting. Maybe this was a start? It did seem like an attempt at an MMO was there with the Wild Area albeit not very well thought out.

The beauty of the pokeMMO is that it wouldn't need a cartridge therefore removing that limitation, on the switch you'd only really need a launcher, and your personal data/progress. Plus since Pokemon Home can read your game data to find your pokemon without needing to put a cartridge in the mmo should be able to do that too. Meaning you wouldn't even need to transfer exactly, just use your pokemon and when you're done playing they go back to the game they came from.

@nessisonett Sword may very well be my last Pokemon game because of this.

@Dremp We could just make the additional pokemon optional then so you'd never see them.

That's actually an interesting idea, being able to choose when gen pokemon have a chance of showing up.

My only worry about the Pokémon games moving to MMO is the idea of it being online only.

@Kalmaro Dunno, just like how it is now to be honest. Don't think if there's a national dex I'd want to complete it, especially as we get closer and closer to 1000 pokemon.

Have to agree, I'm not a big fan of online games (except for WoW and Runescape), I prefer playing alone, or local multiplayer but other than catching them all, pokemon is about online play. The online part of the game is as important as the main story, in fact unless you go online (or buy multiple versions/consoles) it's literally impossible to complete the dex and the game just ends after post-game.

However they could do something in a pokemMMO similar to Sw/Sh where if you want to play offline then all that happens is all other players vanish and you go through the game "normally" like the Wild Area. Can also add difficulty levels by giving gym leaders increasingly difficult pokemon based on which pokemon you entered the gym with, something we have seen happen in Pokemon origins (Brock selecting his pokemon based on the idea that Red was a beginner).

More difficulty is always appreciated, especially if its optional, not me having to handicap myself.