It's time to dust off that big book of Nintendo Switch Pro rumours and scribble in another entry, as a new report is suggesting we could see a revsied Switch console later this year.
The claim comes from Taiwanese website DigiTimes, which says that Nintendo is "reportedly planning to release in mid-2020 a new model of Switch", with production of the console supposedly beginning in Q1 2020. The report says that this information comes from "sources from the related supply chain", and goes on to mention a new magnesium alloy body (instead of the Switch's current plastic) and a better CPU.
As always, we'll let you make of that what you will, although it has been long-rumoured that a new, revised Switch model with more power will eventually see the light of day. We've gathered everything we know about this elusive 'Switch Pro' console in one place should you want to read up on it; early reports mentioned the idea of a Pro model being designed alongside a smaller, dockless system - which, of course, turned out to be true in the Switch Lite.
The standard Switch did also see a new model hit the market in 2019, although the only real difference there was an improved battery life. If the rumours are to be believed, this future console should have more significant upgrades.
So, do you see a Switch Pro being released this summer? Do you think it's all just a load of nonsense? We'd love to read your thoughts in the comments below.
[source digitimes.com, via videogameschronicle.com, twitter.com]
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Let it come, I wouldn't mind upgrading if it's decent enough.
This one seems pretty far off but then again Nintendo has done crazier things. I just have a hard time seeing them releasing something that will make them come up with new settings for all their games and it seems too soon for a "pro" model. I imagine this could be just another small revision for the original hardware.
I'm still not buying into these rumours but I'd be happy if it were to happen. I've held off buying the longer battery Switch so far but I'd be down for a Pro upgrade. Make some driftless Joy-Con while you're at it please Nintendo.
The Switch Pro is so overhyped at this point, that I'm sure when it eventually gets revealed it'll disappoint a lot of people, especially the small group of people with unrealistic expectations who expect to play perfect ports of PS5 games
A Switch Pro doesn't make sense. What will happen with the people who bought the original and Lite? Also, if the Switch won't be able to play Red Dead Redemption 2, GTA 6 or Resident Evil 3 then I'm not interested
It won`t be called "Switch" not to confuse clients. Youve heard this here first.
@Toy_Link Yeah - 10-20% increase in processing power is about right. Still, if it plays 100% of Switch games, is about the same price, and runs things like Link's Awakening without the framerate issues, it can only be a good thing.
@Toy_Link I agree to an extent, though I think the broader expectation is more in line with being able to play BotW with a locked 60fps and stable resolution.
@MuhBael A Switch Pro doesn't make sense. What will happen with the people who bought the original and Lite?
A PS4 Pro doesn't make sense. What will happen with the people who bought the original and Slim?
@MuhBael well one of two outcomes:
1) it’s like the New Nintendo 3DS, having only a couple exclusives and a couple games with increased performance (making it hardly worth upgrading to).
2) it splits the user base and screws over previous owners who can’t afford to upgrade and now can’t play a bunch of the newer games.
At this point, I’m against remodels halfway through console lifespans, I can’t afford to upgrade that often and a higher tier means devs will get lazy and not optimize games for the original model.
Maybe the wild areas in Pokemon won't be such a garbage dump on this...
If there is a Pro Model, I just hope it's not a "Docked-only" experience as not being tethered to a TV is the biggest reason the Switch is the most-used system in my home.
Yes, I do stream my Xbox One X and PS4 Pro to my Surface Book via the applicable streaming applications, but the Switch is just so much more convenient and isn't prone to occasional lag spikes during gameplay.
What would be nice is if a Switch Pro had a separate performance profile based on being plugged in AND undocked. (e.g. 720p resolution with full GPU clock speeds). Using the Hori Stand on a TV tray simply mimics playing on a small 720p TV, so why not get the full performance of the system?
I'll take any rumor of a Switch Pro with a grain of salt at this point, thought.
@MuhBael Nothing will happen to those people. Nintendo might release an upgrade, it will not hunt down owners of previous consoles and kill them. They bought a thing and will still have it.
I am still betting on Switch 2 in 2022, even better than a pro since it will be backwards compatible and push 4k.
I will preorder as soon as announced so long as it is still a switch. If it is docked only, then I won't bother with it.
I’m hoping for a docked only version with 4K support.
I will buy it if a new Donkey Kong Country game comes out
Cue all the Switch mini hate...oh wait...
IIRC, Nintendo was against the idea of making a Pro model. The positive response to and possibilities of BotW/2 combined with the criticisms of SwSh's graphical performance may have changed their minds.
I wonder if people who said Switch Pro is coming out in 2018,2019,Early 2020 or at all without proof will ever apologize for wasting my Brain's internal memory with Rumors,articles,and speculation that caused a numeber of people not to buy a Nintendo Switch.And didn't help anyone do anything excpet waste time.
Dude, we don't "know" anything. Rumours don't constitute knowledge. Without an official announcement, we can't claim we know anything about a product that may or may not exist.
@Mgene15 1080p60 on all games would be a huge upgrade...
A Switch Pro makes perfect sense and is in-line with all of the DS/3DS revisions... If the Switch Pro has a larger screen (less bezel), low latency bluetooth headphone support, and better graphic performance, it will be a worthwhile upgrade. So long as there are no "Pro-only" games... which would be really confusing for a lot of users and would be a very bad idea.
I would imagine Nintendo really wants a revision to launch alongside BOTW2 or Metroid Prime... which will both take full advantage of the upgrade.
Switch Pro in Fall 2020... Switch 2 (with backwards compatibility) in Fall 2023 or Spring 2024.
The better question is... when is Mario Kart Switch?
The pro might include those folders people keep asking for.
I would buy one if it actually happens, but I am not holding my breath.
In the US alone, there were at least eight "models" of the N64 in terms of motherboard revisions. So even it this leak is true, I'm not optimistic that the new model would be a "pro" but more like a third version of the same Switch we already know and love despite its few shortcomings.
Official release date is May the 31st 2020. Just wait and see.
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Can anyone read the article and confirm if it actually mentions that this new supposed Switch revision will be a Switch Pro, or is this all just speculation???
Here we go again. 🙄 I'm bringing a few truckloads of salt in for this one.
@Jokerwolf Never. it will be within this year if not the system is just going to fall too far behind.
I'm going to have to have a talk with my wallet. I convinced it there was no Pro this year.
I don't want a new switch just yet. I think it would be a better strategy to release a blockbuster game during the holidays than to release an upgrade.
Kind of lost me on "magnesium alloy." I mean, heck yes, I'd love a magnesium alloy body, but that would be a very far departure from Nintendo's "plastic" history with every single previous console I can remember.
Dang. A Switch with the power of an Xbox One S is a dream. I’d prefer the name Switch Advance.
@ShadJV I don’t think it’d be like either of those outcomes. I don’t think it’d be like the New 3DS and that it’s be more like the PS4 and Xbox One X.
It’s the same games. They just run a bit better and look a bit nicer.
Same thing happens with literally every single consumer product ever.
I'd like to see this.
I don't know why they don't add a dedicated GPU into the dock so that it can handle 4K resolutions
@tillyboo For that you'd need a Thunderbolt 3 capable port on the Switch. And currently it hardly handles USB 3.0 speeds So NOT ever going to happen.
I'd love to see this but also not really because I have so many hours on games like Pokémon and Splatoon 2 that don't support cloud saves and I really don't want to have to lose all that progress...
@TDRsuperstar2 you can always manually transfer saves between consoles. Even for games that don't support cloud save.
I really just don't NEED one, I love my Switch and I have a metric TON of all-time favorite games on it. My backlog is huge, amazing new stuff comes all the time, and I'm just not fussed for something "bigger & better". If it DOES happen I'm sure I'll get one but I'm damn sure not even ATTEMPTING to move my library over, I'll just have 2 Switches. F all that noise!
@MuhBael i think they will still live.
Day 1 I'm there.
@Ajent which is exactly what I stated at the end, that developers will end up optimizing it for the higher mode instead of the original. Witcher 3 proves the Switch can handle plenty and most devs are just lazy in their optimizations. A higher end mode encourages that laziness and we’ll definitely get games looking and playing worse on the original model.
Like it or not, that’s exactly what happens with every hardware revision like that.
@sanderev yes I'm aware, but there's no reason why a switch Pro couldn't have that
I have no doubt the flagship Switch will receive a refresh, but a ‘Pro’ a la PS4 refresh for a resolution bump? it would be unprecedented for Nintendo. They reliably have no problem driving last-generation resolutions into the ground. Kinda their thing since Game Boy.
So PS4 Pro wishful people need to look for rumors of screen resolution-upping technology, otherwise a ‘Pro’ refresh rumor will give way to the usual Nintendo hardware redesigns
I see this happen this year. With the XBOX Series X and PS5 coming, Nintendo does need to keep the attention. I do see this also being a handheld / TV hybrid. (just like the OG Switch) but with better Joy-Con (one with a dedicated D-pad added as an extra in the box, please Nintendo) handheld 1080p 60 in most games and docked 1080p60 in all major games (with an 4K upscale and native 4K video streaming)
The console should also be like the XBOX ONE X and PS4 Pro, improve games running on the more powerful hardware. But these games should ALL still work on the older hardware.
There are some who want to see a Pro model since the regular struggles in some ways. True nor not, doing it three years into the Switch's life cycle seems to be about the perfect time to do it.
Via Google/Wikipedia: "Magnesium alloys are employed as a replacement for plastics when require adequate thermal conductivity properties. This makes magnesium alloys a better choice in electronic appliances to dissipate heat generated by electronic circuits."
Yeah, this feels like a win, overall. The system and Joycons will feel more stable, the heat conductivity will probably be needed if they're going to up the performance, and the material isn't so alienating as it's already used on laptops and cameras and such.
Don’t divide the player base Nintendo
@tillyboo except nope. For thunderbolt you'll need an intel chipset. (or one emulated like AMD does) And there is no way that the Switch Pro will ditch ARM. It might go to USB 4 (same bandwidth as TB3) but there is still no mobile device supporting that either.
@YANDMAN I wouldn’t say that, they could do it next year after the hype of this years consoles. If anything they could have the most successful year yet with possible upcoming games?
I don't believe we'll get a "Pro" version. Too many hurdles. If devs want to make games compatible with both, they'll have to test 3-4 modes? Yeah...
A Switch 2 that's fully backward compatible is the most likely scenario. More power so that it could still get PS5/X downports and enough power to get comparable PS4/One ports or something, and enough power to finally be full VR
The Switch seems perfect to just slide in a VR helmet really, so are the controllers, so a full VR enabled Switch 2 would make the upgrade totally worth it
Either way, too early. I expect it 2021 or 2022
I don't mind if the 'Pro' upgrade smooths framerates and deals with lingering control, wireless, and overheating issues, etc. But if it has version exclusive games, I'll be unhappy to be relegated to a lesser tier so soon after purchasing the improved 2019 Switch. Which won't seem very improved if that happens!
Part of what I like about consoles is buying a new system or rev of the system and knowing it will be supported as at least the minimum required spec for a few years. One year only is harsh to consumers like me
@ShadJV nah... look at PC gaming. That’s never happened. Hasn’t even happened on PS or Xbox.
@Ajent hahaha yes it has. I have a standard PS4 and there are definitely games that have performance issues only on the original models. You’re fooling yourself if you think that doesn’t happen. Devs definitely optimize some games for the higher model, and Nintendo would have every reason to do that with most of their games to encourage their consumers to buy the Pro.
Back in 2016, Digitimes claimed that the NX would launch during summer 2016 for $150.
So Digitimes has a very spotty track record with regards to Nintendo.
@ShadJV Yeah I think the best example of that is the Xbox One. Microsoft has released 3 different models of the console by now. The original launch system (and the weakest of the three), the mid-cycle "S" update that improved performance, and the late "X" update that greatly improved performance.
Since the S has been out for a long time now and the X is the focus these days the original hardware has been left in the dust. I still own an original launch console as well as an X and I honestly don't even try to play any games made past a certain point on my launch console because they seem to look bad and run terribly. It is mostly just a Blu-Ray player for me these days, you can tell how just about everything on the platform is designed around the S and X consoles, the original being an after thought.
@YANDMAN I think they need a solid 6 years before they jump to the next gen, plus that gives time for the mobile chipsets that came after the X1 to go down in price for them to use. My hope is they use the new Orin chipset which is insanely powerful from the specs they have on it so far, but even Xavier will suffice.
@ShadJV you speak the truth, not everyone can afford the upgrade. Especially people who own their own houses and have financial responsibilities. Not to mention the price of fuel is going to sky rocket due the current madness that is going on. So that means inflation in just about everything. Might as well keep my switch and instead of switch pro, get new x box or ps5.
@JayJ exactly. Literally happens all the time. It’s cheaper and easier to optimize for a more powerful model, having the older models as an afterthought. And anyone with any sense could deduce it would be in Nintendo’s best interest to do the same with their first party games, especially if the theoretical Pro sells well. Releasing more powerful models splits the user base, and the people that can afford to stay with the more powerful models are the ones who benefit. One of the best things about Nintendo for me has been that they didn’t do that, avoiding splitting the user base with most of their console revisions. The exceptions are the DSi (which only split it by having a handful of digital exclusive games that were then available for 3DS anyways, and mostly weren’t anything noteworthy) and the New Nintendo 3DS (which didn’t take off enough to do anyways - too many people stuck with the cheaper models so they only optimized a few games for it, plus it came so late in the console’s lifespan that’s it didn’t get a chance to do much there).
Now with "magnesium alloy plate" instead of plastic. But still $399, amirite?
@Toy_Link honestly that's my feeling about the whole deal. They expect a Switch upgrade going from Switch level of horsepower to full on PS4-PS5 grade even though that would mean exclusives games the barely 3 years old OG Switch would never run.
While it'll be more likely be nothing more than a Switch to "New" Switch upgrade with faster load times and better handling of - current- resolutions for the current games that sometimes struggle a bit.
It'll find a niche, perhaps, but just like the Switch Lite it'll be exactly that: a niche at the very best.
And perhaps an even smaller one if it loses the ability to remain portable to achieve this even just slighty higher horsepower.
Or perhaps even worst: losing portability but NOT even being stronger by any appreciable amount just to make a TV-only budget deal by not worrying about screen + batteries cost.
@Pirlo_ze_sniper and that’s an excellent point too. Some people argue that now is the best time for a Pro, to compete with Microsoft and Sony, but it might actually be the worst time. Whatever they release wouldn’t really be able to compete with the new consoles, and Nintendo never really has tried to compete with them. But splitting the user base now might actually shoot them in the foot. People with limited funds that aren’t Nintendo loyalists will likely pick a new console over the revision of an old console, and any games optimized for the Switch Pro would just alienate those consumers. I hope these rumors are just that: rumors. I’m pretty sure people thought the same thing was going to happen with Wii and Wii U, and I really hope now isn’t the time they actually decide to go down this path.
@JayJ the difference between the S and the original model is virtually non existent in performance terms as they have virtually the same specs. The main reason it struggles today is due to the standard PS4 becoming the baseline and its esram setup which none of the other variants have. Whatever issues you have with the look and performance of the games will be shared by anyone with an S.
As for a Switch Pro I think it makes sense, most of its games already run with dynamic resolution scaling and rarely hit their performance targets so all of these would benefit immediately. The current Switch already has several different profiles written into it for various clock speeds and its doubtful we'd be looking at a dramatic leap, just the new chipset that's already in it stretching its legs. Personally I'd welcome ot with open arms
@ShadJV I mean... games run better on better hardware, that’s common sense. But devs don’t go out of there way to undermine the standard versions.
To be honest, my original comment was meant to be a case ‘don’t worry... you’ll be fine’. But I don’t think YOU will be fine. I’m not fooling myself in the slightest. I’m quite happy and I understand the progression of technology and business (Nintendo have to stay relevant this year remember - new gen year!).
@MuhBael,
It makes perfect sense, it would sit just like the Xbox One X and PS4 Pro does, ie offer enhancements to new and existing games.
will it have increased joycon drift to increase the challenge
@ShadJV
I personally believe option #1 like 3DS to N3DS upgrade
I don't see Nintendo making a much more powerful Switch while keeping their two most important selling points: portability and reasonable price.
I see them releasing something adequate to improve performance of some current taxing games and to play a few popular games from other platforms.
I'm hoping today's update is for folders
@Toy_Link does any one actually think that? I’ve never heard anyone say “can’t wait for switch pro that will obviously be on par with ps5”...
@Toy_Link
Indeed, i never expect something that big, if it plays xbox one X kinda quality games i am more than happy.
Well there's already a boost mode that some Switch games use right now. I'm thinking that Nintendo would want to come out with a better Switch in the summer as then they might sell more because the new Xbox and Playstation should be out for the holidays. This would give the Switch a little head start.
As long as the Launch one keeps playing everything they can go ahead.
Just like SONY did not make me get rid of my 2013 PS4. Works just fine now 7 years later and no "PS4 Pro exclusives"
@Archius9 Not the hardware's fault but developer's. Switch can run the new doom and wolfenstein with amazing results.
@KingBowser86
SwSh graphical performance disappointment is due to laziness, not hardware limitations
It doesn’t have to be a world-beater. It just has to maintain better frame rates and resolution in portable mode on current games, and perhaps have some nice upscaling for 4K TVs in docked mode. And maybe be able to handle current 3rd party ports like Jedi Fallen Order and RDR2 and FF 7 remake and perhaps Monster Hunter World. And maybe even Cyberpunk 2077!
@Zeuseksy yeah it was more a comment on how lazy and embarrassing that game was.
I've never had issues with my switch until then. BoTW ran perfect at launch. Over 3 and a half years later we get this mess
As long as it comes with better, stronger joy-cons I'm game.
I hope it's something more than just overclocked cpu or gpu.
I remember the rumors around the tigra chipset back then. One of the benefits? It has a smart scaling system... Lower power, lower output - but still working great, kind of.
I can see Nintendo making a new model every two to three years, only slowly phasing out older generations.
@Ajent never said they go out of their way to undermine it, but they most definitely treat the earlier models as afterthoughts. No need for a personal attack. I’m just saying that it’s splitting the user base and it has indeed happened with Microsoft and Sony. And it has alienated consumers. I firsthand have been subject to that with the PS4 and it’s frustrating. I don’t care if it looks better on the more powerful platform, but when it’s dropping frames and overall underperforming? That’s not okay and that happens. Heck, that even happened with some games on the New Nintendo 3DS. If not every model of the console can’t handle the game, it should be considered poorly optimized.
@jamesthemagi unfortunately, option 1 still wasn’t great. Hyrule Warriors was practically unplayable on the older model and Xenoblade required the newer one.
I really hope its not true and Nintendo will be releasing a Switch 2 that’s backwards compatible or at least a dock that functions as an external GPU to help the current switch when docked.
This is rumors or news?
Hopefully something good comes out of it, but with Nintendo, can't get too hyped. They always do slow build ups to most things.
@ShadJV
I'll take that compromise to keep the Switch relevant for a few more years
And honestly, I think most customers will too
N3DS only really had 6 exclusive games. In the grand scope of things that is very minimal
This will prolong the Switch's life until next generation Switch 2 that can play them all, just like GB to GBC, GBC to GBA, GBA to DS, DS to 3DS
My OG model still functions perfectly so I’ll pass. Got PS5 and Series X just around the corner!
The Switch U will be announced on Mar 10...
I really do hope this so true since Nintendo won't be able to compete with Xbox and ps5 after this year. I really want Nintendo to keep blowing them out if the water.
I can confirm I’m working on the new switch pro in my shed. It’s powered by a 4 litre twin turbo cpu. That’s all I can say at the minute.
@jamesthemagi I don’t really think the New 3DS extended the console’s lifespan at all, I think it would have lasted just as long. Heck, I think splitting the consumer base is more likely to shorten it than lengthen it.
@jamesthemagi Possibly, though I'm thinking of things like pop-in/out, draw distance, number of objects, textures (trees, notably), etc. Not sure if it was all scaled back for the sake of framerate.
What's all these Moles saying a Pro will never run standard Switch games. This is what moles would say to bolster their own failings here. More like it will have bigger Internal RAM and be able to run the range of Switch games without problem. But notice how rabid naysayers are when the mere mention of a Switch Pro or Like is coming out. They can't seem to fathom a Pro beating out a xbox/psx console and is backward compatible with Switch games. It won't be 4K as most system beyond a Gaming PC/Laptop can do this and still struggle at it. It will have 1080p Docked/Portable at full 60fps is what is the most likely outcome. And that will more or less cement the Switch as the go to console for those wanting to play wherever/whenever Docked/Portable. Try doing that with xbox/psx that has no battery power to go portable or Display to play on.
To me does not make so much sense right now... I wonder how many people that alrea
dy bought the vanilla or the lite will have the money to purchase a Pro in the same year that will see Ps5 and Xbox whatever is called....
Makes more sense in 2021 or further, so Nintendo will keep having this "mid Gen" bias against the other 2 consoles...
Got my revised switch in early September and love it. I don't play games too often because I'm quite busy between work and college but once in a while I get a chance to use it for a couple hours here and there. I would consider it a complete waste of money to upgrade to a Switch "Pro" and I'm sure Nintendo knows that this is the thought process of most people.
The ONLY reason I would ever consider paying money to upgrade to a pro is if KH3 releases on the platform and needs the Pro model to run it. The Kingdom Hearts series needs to come to switch. Square and Disney are giving up the chance to make millions.
The way this works without fragmenting the market is for the "Switch Pro" to have a built-in 1080p screen and now games played portably play at the same performance as they used to docked.
On top of that, maybe make the screen OLED. Increasing the built-in internal storage is a no-brainer. Considering it's already an internally-removable module I don't get why they haven't done it already. It'd just mean putting in a larger module... the main Switch PCB remains the same.
Other wishlist items would be a better, more-durable stand, bluetooth headphone support, and bigger battery.
I've learned my lesson with the New 3DS and DSi. They end up only with one or two exclusive titles and some fairly marginal enhancements in a few other titles. I'll be skipping this one, assuming it is even real.
I'm TERRIBLE at predicting what Nintendo will do. However, if they release a Pro Switch (that actually switches I don't have any use for a docked only system) then it's almost a guarantee that I'll buy it even if it's pricey (over $500)
@Edu23XWiiU rumor until Nintendo announces it, ofcourse. Which will be E3 at the earliest.
@iakona23 I think even PS4 Pro and XBOX ONE X will struggle with Cyberpunk 2077. That game will also be a launch title for the PS5 and XBOX Series X, which will run the game better than current gen high end consoles.
Be interested to see how they pull this off. I still have a strong suspicion that the ‘Pro’ will only be a slight upgrade power-wise but feature a few QOL improvements like better build material, improved screen, less bezel, Bluetooth, better Kickstand
@The-Chosen-one
It won’t get anywhere near One X. If it can match Xbox One S that would be an achievement.
This should drop Spring 2021. Even so, this thing would have to be $350 to $400. I don't see them dropping the lite below $200 so that means the standard would drop to $250. Seems like too many SKUs to me.
The only problem with Nintendo's mid-gen upgrades is that they have done exclusive games in the past; like the new 3DS exclusives. Only a few, but it's a bummer if a ''Switch Pro'' gets games that can't play on the regular Switch.
@holygeez03 Mario Kart 8 Deluxe was released for the Switch back in 2017. I'm thinking Nintendo has no intention of releasing another.
Switch Pro has to come. But 2020? Can’t see it.
I see some people talk about a TV Only console with 4K capabilities!
Let's hope Nintendo really do this!
What’s revsied?
It's the switch base which the switch was supposed to come out with but didn't because it was too much a risk possibly.
The base will serve as a standalone tv only switch for a fraction of the price but if the purchasers already own a switch it can be docked to utilize both consoles hardware, however the base is exactly the same horsepower as the last non life revision and utilizes its lower energy consuption.
Runs the same games. Just at a higher powered mode. Adding a third config that devs can decide to optimize for, if they want. Otherwise, games will look like regular docked mode.
No screen of its own, needs to be plugged in.
I could see that happening.
@Archius9 Wild area is very stable in offline mode, seems to be an online problem (see how Mario Maker 2 and Smash online are slideshows).
I'm in the camp that says such a thing would leave model-01 owners in the dust.
Most devs would get lazy, as ShadJV mentioned, and not bother optimizing the game to run on the original hardware, while others might make an effort. I suspect the bare minimum would be just barely checking to see if it even runs on older hardware, but that inevitably, there will be games that have frequent crash issues, when played on original hardware. Remember, the "quality control" 3rd parties get subjected to, for their game to be on a console, is how much they are willing to spend.
The switch is fine. They could release a pro dock that has it's own GPU extension or something like that to just add 4k.
Base model will still run all first party games. Might as well use the 3-400 you would spend on this on a PS5 and not have to worry about ports.
As long as it doesn’t divide up the library like the DSi did. The software should remain compatible across all Switch models!
Those complaining that this would fragment the games market should really read earlier comments before complaining. It's already been explain how this could/would be easily avoided.
only if it is powerful than the current Switch I will buy it if its real that is
Man, some people really want to play on the same old hardware for 4-5+ years, huh? lol
Reminds me of when some people kept playing World of Warcraft on old hardware (like really old, like asinine 2004-08 tech you should have upgraded already its not expensive) and then Blizzard finally decided it was time to shove those people aside for the betterment of the game going forward. Things shouldn't stay static to appease those unwilling to move on, especially ehwn they're most likely the minority.
I'm a PC gamer alongside a Nintendo one and welcome paying for appropriate power/premium increases for my favorite console.
Timing will definitely be key with such a release and I think with new consoles on the horizon, it isn't good right now. Switch and Lite can still sell a lot better in the meantime as they definitely haven't reached their peak. However, things evolve and change, Nintendo will be ready for any scenario and if releasing Pro model will keep the interest going, then they will do it. We're looking at 2021 the earliest, folks.
Another issue is how will they 'nerf it' so that it complements the whole lineup. Lite is nerfed not to compete with Switch, so Pro will have to as well. Someone mentioned it being a home console only, this is possible although I don't personally believe it will be the case. Maybe the battery life will be abysmal? There will be something there to make owners of Switch and Lite not regret their purchases. Only exception to that would be when it no longer mattered ie close to the end of the generation. But then might as well just launch Switch 2.
A wild idea: new dock boosting Switch with extra power, obviously expensive enough to demonstrate value, to make the home experience a lot better and a handful of games only playable that way.
Give me that 1440 resolution with 60 fps docked and 1080 resolution for handheld. 4k streaming apps to watch docked and I'm all set. Oh yea, add a real virtual console and themes for the Pro. Can't forget that.
It's hard to predict what Nintendo will do next. If they release a pro, I'm ready to buy it, but I don't think it's a good idea. I think it would be better to wait until a Switch 2 can be released at a reasonable price. I've said it before, but I think if Nintendo really want a stopgap, an upgraded dock is the way to go. It won't affect people with the lite and it won't alienate people who just got a Switch in the last year. It could just make the Switch a little more relevant when hooked up to a 4k display.
@sanderev You’re probably right about Cyberpunk. They would need to do a similar port like they did for Witcher 3 on original Switch. But the rest of my points stand.
@TurboTEF That's generally how console gaming works. You buy a $300 console, with the understanding that it gets regular releases for at least 5 years (usually longer). Not everyone wants to shell out $2000 every two years for a new PC with marginally better graphics.
@Euler
Except its a $300 console and not that expensive tbh. No normal person shells out $2000 every two years for a PC btw. I've spent about that much over the course of the past 5 years on mine plus a budget build for a buddy.
Also, thanks for the reminder on how console gaming works, I've only been buying consoles since 1987. Nothing wrong with mid life refreshes at all.
I can't see it. Nintendo don't like to split the market. When they upgrade hardware, it's only incremental and it's to replace or rejuvenate an aging line. New 3DS was a classic example of this.
@holygeez03 Let's not confuse a "pro" with a "replacement" or a "revision". A pro model is sold beside a base model at a much more expensive price and provides a mammoth improvement in processing. New 3DS replaced the old one, had only marginal processing improvement and retailed at a similar price.
The "pro" concept of this era was a unique situation due to the sudden emergence of 4K and HDR and I doubt we'll see it again from anyone. Now the term gets used liberally (like when rumours for the Switch revision last year started) and now for this rumoured new Switch.
For all those comments on how Switch can't match xboxX/psX how about this neither of those will match a Gaming Desktop Rig/Laptop Rig these two will blow those systems out of the water and pump out True 4K 60fps at 144. So think really hard Switch haters your system isn't top dog here and will never Be.
@TurboTEF "Also, thanks for the reminder on how console gaming works, I've only been buying consoles since 1987. Nothing wrong with mid life refreshes at all."
Wow that just like me be earlier 1985 Nintendo NES. As I eluded on other talks and thread tech is moving far faster then they did in the past but naysayers still hold on to that mindset and that is why they aren't in the evolving gaming industry or game console developments.
@ShadJV PC games have been, for over 30 years, releasing in a manner that allows them to take advantage of extra power that is there, or run on lower end systems with lower settings. There is no reason they cannot do the same with games on Switch.
@Heavyarms55 PC gaming and console gaming is very much not the same thing. Besides, there have always been PC games that not everyone can play on their computers with their specs. Generally, people buy a console expecting it to play the games designed for it without performance issues. A PC you can simply upgrade as needed, rather than replace the entire thing.
Whether they “can” do something had nothing to do with what I said. I spoke of what has happened when consoles do this.
Why do people act like a Switch Pro automatically means exclusive games? Did the PS4 Pro or Xbox One X have any exclusive games? No. I’d expect the Switch Pro to be to the Switch exactly what those consoles were to their predecessors.
@Supadav03
No and that's what is ultimately silly here tbh.
"But it won't be optimized if it runs on both!"
Scaling and patches.
@SwitchForce
Yeah, lol. Console gaming how it used to be is a thing of the past and will only get worse for these people the longer they claw grip onto their old ideals.
I don;t like some of it but I'm just one person. Time and tech will move on regardless.
Bring on the Pro, I’ll buy it.
@TurboTEF Some people happen to be children, or have other hobbies, or other people to spend money on, or would just rather have the $300 go towards 3 or 4 games rather than a new machine with marginally improved graphics that doesn't do anything else the last machine didn't. That's why there's a market for console games in the first place, rather than everyone playing on PCs.
@ShadJV Nonsense. Fact is that developers and teams working on ports can design games for Switch to work on either a standard Switch or more powerful model without dividing the install base.
Games on PC are not designed to work on all PCs because the range of PCs is enormous But they are designed to work on a sizeable range of PCs with different specs.
It would not be different or unreasonably demanding to have developers work on games that can take advantage of a more powerful Switch without it being required. In the past things like New 3DS exclusives were a mistake because they were designed only to work with the more powerful hardware.
@Euler
And other people want upgrades over time too. You don;t get to just hand wave away customers like me.
Also lol at the "other hobbies". That's just tough, one's varying hobbies shouldn't stagnant because people decide to do other things as well.
Also, I'll save you some time here; I'm never ever going to agree with you on this.
@HalBailman pretty sure xbox Is going to make a "pro" and base model if they called the next box the "series x". That implies there's a lower spec model called the " series s" or "series ad."
A magnesium alloy body, huh? So it's going to sell for $700?
As much as would love a pro version
1) I dont think of a way to pull it off without spliting the fanbase in half (the Inés who already have a machine that cant play the newest games and the newcomers)
2) whatever it does it will fall short if it dosnt have: Better batery life, better screen/ resolution, more interna memory, better procesing Power, a SIM Card SLOT to play online on the go (cant understand why the actual switch lacks one), bluetooth, all this without frying itself...
🤔 I know all that is posible but not at a reasonable price
@sixrings Nothing official yet, and it would be unprecedented for a new system to release with varying technical specs. I'd be staggered if XB chose that route. Typically cheaper models sacrifice things like storage.
@ShadJV
N3DS definitely did not prolong its lifetime too much. Just enough for Switch to find its footing.
I was referring mostly to prolong the Switch until the new generation comes out.
I don't think the base will be split if it is only a few exclusive games.
Cool (if true)! I would buy that too.
@Grumblevolcano Mario Maker 2 multiplayer was absolutely terrible at launch, even when I moved somewhere with much faster internet, but I've found it's run way better after the playing with friends update.
Seriously where are all you people getting this ridiculous idea that a Switch Pro would divide the player base? PS4 Pro, XboneX did not do that. PC games have been made for at least 3 decades designed to run on a wide ranger of PCs of various specs. Basically every smartphone app ever is designed to work on a huge range of phones.
Why do you think Nintendo is somehow gimped or incompetent and cannot do the same thing with their own system?
@Heavyarms55
Probably because when they’ve released upgrades in the past (DSi, n3DS, they even did it with the N64 Expansion Pak) they’ve released exclusive software, running the risk of a Mega CD style split audience. Hopefully they’ve learned from that and don’t make that mistake but is Nintendo. You never know.
@electrolite77 No, they wont go that route again. I think they very clearly proved they learned from past mistakes with the Switch itself. And not the 64, DSi nor New 3DS had significant numbers of upgrade only games.
It's not "It's Nintendo, you never know." Not with this kind of thing.
@Heavyarms55
Actually yeah with Nintendo you do never know. Just because they’ve had a few good years of decision making doesn’t entirely mean they’ve lost that inner urge to shoot themselves in the foot. Nobody thought they’d release a Switch that didn’t Switch, or try and charge people for a terrible Online service but they did. Nobody who’s been around Nintendo for any period of time can possibly assume they’re going to do the right and clever thing next.
For the record I don’t think they will split the Userbase because it would be suicide, but you can’t rule anything out.
I dont think a pro console or handheld is a good idea. Switch just found its stride and has entered into its golden years, now is the time to experiment with new software franchises and turn old franchises into new cash avenues once again.
Mid console power update prevents that by dividing the userbase and crippling loyalty. Do i think a non pro tv only switch is the quickest and best way to get a switch in every house, yes, but only as a back up switch or true budget switch option.
If a true budget switch or switch base can fuse with og switch for twice the power then make it for a specific feature only like augmented reality games.
So strange how people are so against this. No it won’t split the base and no it won’t be way more work for devs unless they want it to be.
Expect existing games to run in higher res and a faster frame rate. This is not that hard. Maybe some companies will decide to add more to the pro version and some won’t at all.
We have honestly seen this work for the PS4 etc so why do you think it will be such a problem here?
@CodyMKW I mean there is. Cyclists and NPCs just appearing and disappearing as you swivel the camera, horrendous frame rate.
Also I have virgin media so my internet is garbage yes ha
Providing they have fixed the joy con issues (which I doubt) I might consider it.
@Jokerwolf System refreshes happen between the three to four year period. Nothing has waited six years since refreshes of systems was a thing. The continued issues with porting games or the system missing games all-together isn't getting any less. I am fully in on a pro-system as soon as they want to make one, assuming it is within a decent time period and i know many others are too. Nintendo have an incredible momentum right now, just like they often have had in the past with many of their consoles, but they are also masters at letting that momentum slip. Once the next line of consoles launches in 11 months time they won't be even comparable and the possibility of there being switch ports of the games those platforms are experiencing literally will not exist. Nintendo need to act fast or else we will see another Wiiu sceanrio evolving whereby the pool for development will shrink and shrink.. The switch is fantastic, i love it but it was old when it launched and everybody knows it. It's being left to the mastery of programmers to draw every last fibre from the console to make multi-platform games possible and it doesn't need to be like that. There is only so much seven year old tech can do.
@Deathwalka When those new systems launch and their capabilities are displayed the switch is going to be really out of touch. Multi-platform ports simply will not be possible. I don't want it to fall back into a WiiU scenario where developers start abandoning it simply because it is too weak and their games won't run in any fashion that people would be willing to pay for or wish to play. I am a huge switch fan don't get me wrong, i love it but Nintendo needs to think about the future and not get trapped in their usual stubborn mindset. yes we'll always have great first party games but we do not need to go back to a scenario whereby that is all we have. System refreshes happen between the three-four year window and it is coming up on four years old now.
It could be a Deluxe edition - 64GB faster access internal storage instead of the current 32GB, better screen, the same battery as the Lite and red box Switch? Slightly redesigned joycons? That's if this rumour is anything at all...
@YANDMAN
I’m up for Switch getting a refresh as long as it doesn’t split the Userbase. However if it doesn’t it will continue to get pretty much the same third-party support it gets now I.e. last-gen and older ports, Platformers, Kart racers etc. They’ve sold 50 million and rising, it won’t be a Wii U situation at all.
@westman98
New magnesium body for heat displacement
And a better CPU
@Sebatrox ps4 pro was useless because the only room for improvement without heavily altering the cost was a graphical upgrade "play 4k instead of HD".
The Switch has plenty of room for improvement without heavily altering the cost. The base Switch is long overdue a price cut.
Quite frankly I'd be surprised if they didn't bring a Super Switch to market this year.
@Dethmunk no you're right.... they would never... oh wait, whats this? New Nintendo 3ds/2ds? O o o... the DSi?
Oh blimey Sony and Microsoft are doing the same!
What a terribly terrible business practice!
😂😂😂
On a real note Nintendo have been doing this since the gameboy days.
@YANDMAN Pro ain't coming because the Switch 2 is on it's way period.
@YANDMAN
The Switch is not even 3 years old right now
@WiltonRoots
The Lite has a smaller battery size than original Switch. What makes it last longer is the new chip, which is the same for the Lite and the revision.
@YANDMAN actually the switch was released March 2017 so it’s not even 3 years old yet! Everyone said the same thing with this switch version but it did more then fine.
I do agree on that there next iteration needs to be a good deal stronger, but no matter what happens it won’t be having the next gen games because this time, the consoles are way ahead even if switch goes to the newer chip to the one it has, it won’t be handling any of the next gen games either way. Certain games are ported amazingly but you are right in that they do need to give their next switch a good boost, but I doubt it will be anything meaningful enough to enjoy multi platform games from the newer consoles. Of course some games maybe exceptions but the next gen consoles are for 4K and 120 FPS gaming with minimum effort, personally I can’t see the next switch version beating PS4 or Xbox one standard let alone a pro?
@jamesthemagi Ahh yeah my bad, thanks...
Switch needs ports, but it needs other things too.
I feel strongly that licensed games are just as important as ports. Why Chase Sony and Microsoft coattails for the weakest version when a licensed exclusive can run perfectly because it is built ground up on the switch strengths?
Nintendo needs to let switch's lifespan ride out so that when it's finally time to move on the user base isn't fractured, the new console doesn't only last only an hour before overheating because the cost and design of tech just isn't there yet, it doesn't ship with broken joycons, it doesn't not connect to Bluetooth headphones, it doesn't not allow simple and stable chat features.
@Deathwalka to be fair if this releases it will be past three years and in mid cycle of the switch. Not bad timing for something that will likely aim to enhance games at the developers discretion.
@TurboTEF Sorry, but your entire argument (“it’s only $300”, “Blizzard was so brilliant to alienate people with older PCs”, “anyone who disagrees with me is against technological progress”) is about handwaving customers that don’t buy the same things you do.
@sanderev and you’re sure of that because...
@Dethmunk DSi was a power upgrade over the normal DS. It had a faster processor, increased memory and increased online functionality.
The Gameboy Colour was a slight power upgrade in terms of graphics and processor over the original GB.
The New Nintendo 3DS/2DS were both a power upgrade over the standard 3DS and 2DS - they were released towards the latter stages of the 3DS's lifespan and still sold more than the Vita had done, i believe the 3DS was sitting on 55m sales before the N3DS was released.
When you ignore facts you normally come up short on truths.
There is well documented evidence that mid term hardware boosts can have a very positive impact on sales.
@NinChocolate It's not "unprecedented" by Nintendo, who released the New Nintendo 3DS was 50% more powerful than the 3DS.
I wanna next version of this console, I mean Normal Nintendo Swith 2 not a Pro model, everything now is pro from toaster, fridges shower, toilets and freaking toilet paper now MEHH.
Well, they made a Switch specifically for people who wanted handheld only, maybe this is a docked only one with some extra guts to help. If they announce it soon enough, I can gift my current Switch to my gf for Animal Crossing and I can buy the new one since I only play docked anyways. 3DSXL, PS4 Pro and Xbox One X were all things, so why can't Switch+ be a thing? It's a good stopgap to let the next gen bout get started and still keep the Switch relevant for a couple more years before the next generation of Nintendo arrives
@jamesthemagi 3DS to New 3DS.
If one watches this twitter posting and look at the Switch shown the D-Pad isn't the same. So one should ask what model is this one shown? Just look at the picture and you will see it.
https://twitter.com/NinWire/status/1214694453061079041
What they could do is sell OG Switch owners the revision for a discounted price with no exclusives. and put strict quality control for all devs who wish to expand their games to the old and new switches. And make sure the increase isn't too big. Powerful enough to stay relevant, but not too powerful to make old owners regret buying their system.
@Investor9872 my comment is specifically talking about screen resolution. They’ve yet to augment a generation with increased resolution output, which the PS4 did
@NinChocolate yet a ps4 can't power itself and go portable.
@SwitchForce exactly right. Power draw and price point are Nintendo’s two big considerations. They don’t have the margins within either (in a single generation) to have one Switch display at 720p and an upgraded version do 1080p. A 1080p Switch is likely a Switch 2 product when they can market a new generation upgrade and force adoption by all Nintendo players once again
@NinChocolate they can market a new generation upgrade and force adoption by all Nintendo players once again
Isn't that the very same when they buy a new ps5 using this very same comment. No one is forcing anyone to upgrade they make their own choice to stay current or upgrade. Would one say this very same to owners ps4 when they upgrade to ps5 when they upgrade? That line is double edge sword.
Power draw and price point are Nintendo’s two big considerations
This misses all the reason why Switch is so successful. Price is the biggest consideration but there are more then just price that matters here to Switch success going forward.
They don’t have the margins within either (in a single generation) to have one Switch display at 720p and an upgraded version do 1080p.
So what insider information did this come from? I like to know so I can also get the inside buying before anyone gets one.
@Jokerwolf What's the difference?
I'm having some doubts about this, if I expected a Switch Pro, I would've expected it for next year, dubbing it a "successor" instead.
Besides, apart from a magnesium alloy body (wow... that speaks pure tech), the Serkan Toto only mentioned a better CPU, and that is honestly not needed for the current Switch to match the other consoles power-wise. The CPUs are almost on the same league (believing it or not, PS4 has the weakest CPU of all the current-gen consoles), the GPU is the biggest gap between mobile and desktop hardware, something Nvidia wanted to close with the Tegra line since Tegra 4. DigiTimes also has a dubious track record with its Nintendo rumours, last year they said Nintendo was creating their own mobile phone. So even if this becomes real, CPU won't be the only generational leap, of course.
This brings me back to 2013, when both the PS4 and Xbox One were about to launch, Nvidia was also releasing Tegra 4, the closest thing to mobile PS3/360 at the time, but still couldn't perfectly match both platforms. Even if, for Nvidia at least, the gap between mobile and console has been shrinking ever since, I would honestly expect a beyond current-gen chipset for next year.
But let's remember Nvidia has been making a name for itself lately, with ray-tracing demos and overly high ambitions for its gaming rigs, who knows what they could be planning for the true successor of Tegra X.
But... maybe this will be the only way to play Red Dead Redemption 2 on the go. Without streaming of course.
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