‘Gather Around’ everyone, Google commands. Unless you’ve been actively avoiding it, you’ve probably heard about the company’s plans to reveal long-rumoured hardware at this year’s Game Developers Conference taking place in San Francisco next week. The latest teaser for the keynote – the company’s first at GDC since it began attending – seems to suggest a serious attempt to court console gamers, with highly detailed environments that nod towards a wide range of genres shown as the camera slowly approaches a grand, light-filled entrance…
As teasers go, it’s a good one, casting viewers themselves as ‘the future of gaming’. That phrase carries the caustic odour of PR, but we’d assume the web giant has better instincts than to prime an audience with hyperbole before unveiling some sort of Android-based box that streams mobile games to the telly. All evidence points to something more substantial, and that ‘Gather Around’ tagline implies some sort of social angle, too.
The exact form the hardware will take is still unknown, and while it could well be a big box of tech along the lines of the Xbox One X, that would feel out of step with the direction the industry is headed. The success of PS4 proves there’s still a huge appetite for a big console running hot under the TV, but Switch has shown that people are also eager for convenient devices that integrate better with their mobile habits.
With that in mind, it’s arguable that Google’s hardware may resemble a souped-up Home box (the company's smart speaker and digital assistant), incorporating elements of its Chromecast dongles; a hub that pairs with a controller (of which a patent surfaced last week) designed to stream games running remotely to the TV or to Chrome-enabled devices around the house via its imaginatively titled Project Stream tech.
Naysayers may point to Apple’s rumoured subscription-based service for App Store games or Amazon Game Studios' disappointing output despite grand overtures for several years and conclude that this announcement is simply marketing fluff. It’s hard to argue that those giant corporations talk the talk when it comes to games, but have largely failed to deliver on their promises; for the most part, PC and console-level experiences remain in those domains. That being the case, should Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft be worried about Google blowing its own trumpet, heralding the future of the medium?
Well, third place Microsoft should probably be most concerned. The company has long been touting the virtues of streaming via its xCloud service and whispers of proposed partnerships with Nintendo, in whatever capacity, suggest it's on the back foot already – the last thing they need is another rival platform to consider when underlining the Xbox brand’s Unique Selling Points in its internal PowerPoint presentations.
Conversely, Sony has done very well this generation by selling a loud and proud ‘traditional’ console. This no doubt gives the company confidence going forward with plans for PS5, whatever form that will take, safe in the knowledge that it's got an excellent foundation to build upon if it can only avoid the hubris that characterised the PS3 launch.
Nintendo, we’d argue, is somewhere in the middle. On the face of it, a strong catalogue of IP helps insulate the company to an extent. The success of both 3DS and now Switch provides a tremendous financial cushion, too – Switch’s inevitable successor could fail horrifically and there’d still be plenty of juice in the tank to rejoin the race.
Perhaps the biggest threat to the Kyoto company is the social, family angle Google seems to be playing, and the fact that the Blue Ocean strategy that served Nintendo well with Wii and Switch won't be effective against such an omnipresent corporation. As family-friendly as the Switch is, Nintendo could face direct competition from a company whose name has become a verb, the world’s homepage, the first port of call for millions of us across the internet. Microsoft can only dream that you’d ‘Bing’ train times or closing time at the nearest pub. Google, and its parent company Alphabet, has access to every family member across their favourite devices.
Nintendo simply can’t compete with that. Google’s online ubiquity leaves fingerprints on nearly every digital media device that isn’t a video game console, with access to an enormous potential audience. Worldwide figures indicate there’s a good chance (over 60%) you’re reading these very words on Google’s browser, with the next most popular option being Apple’s Safari with approximately a quarter of Chrome's user share; millions of people are already intimately familiar with Chrome. As boundaries blur between rival tech, there's little need for an in-house developed device if Google has Trojan-horsed its content delivery system onto competitors’ products; there are already millions of people who own an iPhone but rely on Google's amazing iOS-based ecosystem of apps.
Nintendo itself has contributed to the merging of game spaces, with the success of Switch's core hybrid concept proving the appetite for full-blooded video games on-the-go. Nintendo, though, has only a minuscule fraction of Google’s presence across all devices – a handful of successful mobile games can hardly be compared to something as far-reaching as Chrome. Nintendo's initially salty relationship with Apple arguably blossomed thanks to the very different spheres those companies operate in (and Nintendo's need to tap into the audience on mobile devices); Google looks to be encroaching on traditional video game turf, potentially offering something the big companies have thus far failed to.
The ability to stream full-sized AAA games without noticeable lag seemed like pure fiction until very recently, despite streaming being trumpeted as the ‘next big thing’ for what feels like years. Sony acquired Gaikai in 2012 and channelled its know-how into Remote Play, Share Play and PlayStation Now. By all accounts, Sony’s streaming solution is far from the best way to play those games, with plenty of latency kinks left to iron out. Almost everything we’ve seen to date, including Switch’s streaming-only Resident Evil 7 and Assassin’s Creed Odyssey editions in Japan, points to the technology not being ‘there’ just yet.
However, the general consensus on Project Stream's invite-only beta of Ubisoft's Assassin’s Creed Odyssey seems to be that it works surprisingly well, as long as you’ve got decent internet. That’s an unavoidable caveat for streamed content, but reports have been broadly positive, with the game playing solidly across a range of devices through a browser. With so many tendrils spilling out onto online-connected devices across the world, Google is in a position to truly make good on the prospect of the all-encompassing ‘X box’ that Microsoft has tried, and arguably failed, to create ever since joining the industry.
While that may sound ominous, the big three video game companies might take solace in the fact that Google has a history of internal projects failing over time. Most of its big successes – Drive, Docs, YouTube – have come about through acquisitions. Internal developments such as Buzz, Plus, Hangouts, Wave and YouTube Gaming have a far patchier hit rate. Despite its incredible resources and buying power, the company’s history is littered with failed projects. Is this gaming push going to be any different?
The crucial thing, though, is that Google has the capital to fail repeatedly and keep on trying; it only needs one hit to land and the gaming landscape could change very quickly. And it can hire the best people; just yesterday Jade Raymond, famed producer of EA’s The Sims Online and Ubisoft’s Assassin’s Creed and Watch Dogs, tweeted that she’d joined Google:
Of course, Amazon hired (and subsequently lost) some top game developers, too, so Raymond’s appointment hardly ensures success, but it’s an indication of how seriously Google is taking its entrance into the gaming arena proper. Despite a history of failed projects, it’s a tenacious company with the resources to brute force its way in.
Perhaps – just perhaps – the technology has caught up and Google is poised to make a big splash at GDC. Rumours that Sega is joining Ubisoft in partnering with Google don’t tell us much – the ability to buy Sonic the Hedgehog for the umpteenth time on this new hardware would surprise precisely no-one. The teaser’s got our attention, though, and you can be sure all the big players in the industry will be keeping a close eye on what Google has to say on 19th March. We’ll see next Tuesday.
Have you have good experiences with streaming games? Do you think this potential hardware from Google will make Nintendo nervous? Share your thoughts below.
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Perhaps. But ultimately more competition is good for the industry. Increased competition between platform providers usually results in increased innovation and creativity. I fondly remember the days when the PS2, Xbox, GC, and DC were all vying for consumer money.
Look, in the gaming world, companies come and go. Nintendo's been going strong as a gaming company for nearly 40 years because of one thing, their IP's. Google will NEVER have Mario, Zelda, Smash, Kart etc. So it's really a moot point. Maybe 40 years from now if Google is still in the gaming world then we can start to talk about their place in the industry.
Streaming only games is NOT the future gaming.
That's the beginning of DISASTER.
And i start to HATE the future.
No one should worry about Google becoming their competition. With the exception of Google Chrome, everything they make is just a worse version of something that somebody else already made
Short answer: no.
Google does not understand what makes console gamers tick, and I'd even go as far as to say that they don't understand hardcore gaming, period. They're just an over-bloated tech company trying to increase their footprint into more markets/industries, to be able to influence them, and as such, the gaming industry is their next object of desire.
And no amount of hired forces coming from reputable gaming developers/publishers is going to change that any time soon, much like the in the article mentioned example of Amazon has already clearly shown...
On a side note: Microsoft is going nowhere, so the constant nonsense about them being on the back foot, or fighting a losing battle should cease. Phil Spencer is fully dedicated to leading the Xbox brand into the next generation and beyond, and regardless of their current position, they currently still have the world's most powerful console. Lessons have surely been learned from the launch of the standard model, so I'm not expecting them to repeat those with Project Scarlett, which would essentially mean that they will build upon the very positive reception of the Xbox One X and then go from there.
I may be super wrong but I think whatever this is will end up being dead on the water.
If it’s a streaming device, it won’t be able to compete in many areas. Lag will always keep players on a disadvantage.
If it’s a dedicated console, it needs exclusive titles to really push any hardware, and as it is, Epic won’t even publish Fortnite on the play store.
I do find it funny that Microsoft are painted as this poor little company but If anything Sony potentially have more to worry about than Microsoft, despite their lead in consoles this gen that could easily swing back when the next ones launch. Whilst Xbox is effectively baked into every copy of Windows and Xcloud is going to launch on many devices.
Long term all consoles will vanish and streaming will take over but we have at least one more generation before that happens as streaming can't operate at the required resolutions and frame rates that many gamers demand, whilst Google's main problem is that most will simply associate them with the garbage that is on the Play store
Just because you can now play the same mobile games that have been available since forever on a console-like device doesn't mean they're suddenly comparable to console games. The difference isn't only in the platform.
This is going to be as exciting as Google Allo. Or whatever
I would be surprised to see Google's hardware offering succeed up against Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo as a fourth competitor, (the quality of their PR far exceeds that of their consistently over-ambitious, underwhelming products) but I do worry about the acquisition aspect of their video game industry plan, which involves building software development portfolio by acquiring valuable third-party developers. Old-timers may recall Microsoft starting the Xbox off with a fresh team of acquisitions, including Rareware Ltd., one of Nintendo's best second-party developers at the time who produced some of the best non-Nintendo games for the Nintendo 64 and GameCube. Google's hardware may or may not succeed as a competitor, but their ability to buy developers with ease may be more damaging. Here's hoping Nintendo pad their second-party partners with plenty of hazard pay and long-term contracts!
There is always a place for a company that can come up with new gaming ideas. So Nintendo aren't going anywhere. The big question is, what new ideas does Google have for us? If it's purely brand power then they can do one. If they can genuinely bring people together with a new way to play, then they deserve to be successful and copied by Sony.
I'm sure whatever Google does will have a giant impact as well as whatever other companies do.
There will however, (now I'm assuming here...) always be an audience for the alternative.
I for one think streaming games is bonkers and would not enjoy an industry based around it.
Not for reasons such as connectivity/owning etc which are also a consideration, but because I like to choose when and what to play.
It is already on the cusp of becoming tedious for myself but I can't imagine wanting to finally play a game I had on the backburner only for the publisher to have taken it off stream due to lessened playerbase.
I've seen comments from people like myself on here and other places that also dislike some modern practices who I guess would feel the same about streaming games.
It's funny how the videogames industry seems to get more and more pro publisher and anti consumer yet books have taken a massive turn and gone back to roots with ebooks (mostly) taking a back seat.
I cannot anticipate any way Alphabet could get me to buy a Google gaming machine.
Can I play Pokémon on it? Then no worries.
Ironically, I had no clue this was a thing Google was doing. I only actively use their search, chrome bowser, and email services.
But hey, if Google would like to try their hand at it, roll on up. Maybe some folks will get jobs in a career they like that way.
Not a streaming fan for gaming. I can barely stream Matlock on tv.
Why should they be worried? It's unlikely that Google is going to swoop in and dominate the market overnight. If this console happens to be successful, Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft will have plenty of time to adjust and respond. The biggest hurdle for Google will be getting anybody to make worthwhile gaming software for their system.
I doubt any of the big gaming companies have anything to worry about the infrastructure isn't there yet in most countries for game streaming to be truly viable
@ALinkttPresent "With the exception of Google Chrome, everything they make is just a worse version of something that somebody else already made"
I'm not even sure Google Chrome is the exception.
I... don't ... want...... streaming.........
If you lose a game or suffer a death - you can always blame it on the lag....
Then again -as google is SO big - it might be a Bums on Seats approach to sell hardware. . . .
I do genuinely worry about this... My two favourite gaming companies are Nintendo and Sony for their high quality 1st party games and neither really have that type of cloud infrastructure to compete with Microsoft, amazon and google
Xbox is NOT yet "3rd" place as your article states. In Japan yes, everywhere else no. I'd imagine it will be 3rd place by end of year.
@Prof_Yoshtonics It's a moot point, not a mute point.
If I bought a streaming only console it better be around $100
Skimmed the article (waffle). Unless there is a nuclear fallout, doubt streaming will become main stream. New hardware is worthless without licences.
Back in January I was getting a letter from Google every week begging me to put a recoding device near my TV and a web traffic montoring device for my modem all that creepy stuff on top of all the weirdos in that company that want gaming sterilized you couldn’t even pay me to use a google gaming console all they will bring is misery as they buyout devs and exclusives.
No.
Same reason how "Online-Play" on the GO on the Switch was a few months pipe dream. Once on a Hotel/Airport Wifi, it all worked like crap.
Bus WI-Fi to Boston is always a mess once 15 people join up - and my iPhone jumps towers all the time. Even online computing for work (just using static Adobe Creative Cloud) fails.
I can Port-Forward my entire Steam collection to mobile using MOONLIGHT right now and saved $300 on a Switch. The problem is the garbage infrastructure in the middle.
It'll be nice if Nintendo pays closer attention to their competitors. Nintendo's online service is lagging because they remained ignorant. Paying attention is not copying. It's being observant.
Answer: No.
This will be another Ouya (and whatever Amazon claimed they were doing with gaming). Crap phone games on a TV, mostly.
Streaming cannot be successful in a large market. Half the US has data caps that would limit usage. The other 1/3 doesn't have fast enough speeds. And this is in the US, which has crap internet infrastructure but still far better than most other nations
@Magician I just wish it would mean cheaper games too because now if I want a new game it is 91 dollars after taxes, and that is just insane.
@Magician "more competition is good for the industry" exactly what I was gonna say. Truth be told though, google saying this will be the future of gaming seems like a stretch. All we have to go on is a teaser right now, which wasn't that impressive. But I'll reserve judgment until we see something more substantial.
Microsoft is arguably best positioned to compete anyway. What with their own streaming and subscription services in the pipeline; along with their movement towards making games available on every platform they can.
Nintendo is insulated because this doesn't affect the portable market in any way. And because of their IPs. IPs that cannot be toppled in the industry.
Sony is probably worst-off in this scenario. Their focus on a dedicated gaming console that is limited in scope, unlike Xbox as a brand, is fantastic for them in the short term. Long term, they need to actually compete if Google makes any successful product. PS Now is a joke
as long as Nintendo will continue to give us the games, i'm sure they will do just fine.
Google hasn't even revealed what they are showing yet. it's to early to ask about how concerned Nintendo should be. for all we know it could be nothing more than a small console like Ouya, it could be something as big as Xbox and Playstation, or probably a streaming service.
Bad things happen to consoles launching near the end of a generation. The Wii U was roughly a year before ps4 and as such its was only a year as the most powerful console. Of course Nintendo had a good lot of games on Wii U and some of these are now on Switch. But for the 1st time making a console I think releasing it possibly only a year before next gen is a recipe for disaster.
@Yorumi The problem is without hardware to supplement for differences in power and the OS you don't get a consistent experience across devices if they run native on that device without some kind of boost from a cloud.
I imagine something like the Nvidia shield TV. It's a great little box and I can stream my steam library via the Nvidia servers unto it. Makes a power rig obsolete if you're more into sp games. Works really well, even with my mediocre internet connection.
I will say this, new hardware is always exciting; and competition is good. So I'm curious what they'll unveil in a couple of days. Could be a decent product, but it could also be the next Ouya.
@tameshiyaku AMD can do it now too! AMD Link is pretty cool.
Honestly, it just sounds like marketing spin to me, and does not give a strong indicator for what they're planning. There's a fair chance it has to do with game streaming, mobile, or something periphery to a lot of us core gamers. The way they use this future talk has me leaning towarda game streaming, though. Which I don't feel we're ready for yet.
For me personally, if it's not a full blown console, with its own worthwhile exclusives. I really don't care what they do. If it is, and it is priced right, then we'll talk. Regardless, I don't see it as an immediate "threat" to any of the current three platforms. Potentially a competitor in the long run, if they actually decide to invest in it long term. But not a huge threat.
It's either Ouya 2.0 (which no one wants) or it's a streaming box, which still isn't especially practical here given the spotty internet coverage in the US.
@ALinkttPresent Funny that you mention Chrome as a positive, it's just a knock-off Opera.
I will never voluntarily let this company further infringe upon my life and invite them into my television/gaming habits.
I am sure there will be some invasive data collection about every action performed, every game viewed, and advertising nonsense entwined with this enterprise, since Google is essentially a glorified advertising agency.
If this is the "future" of gaming, I'll be content to let the Switch be my final console and just play retro.
More competition is usually good, but I don't like how much power Google, Amazon and Facebook have. So I'll avoid this unless it really ends up being something special.
The games industry has massively benefitted from the fact that there's no centralized power structure. We should avoid companies that tend to try and create those.
As with most consoles (Switch excluded) it's about the games and I just don't think Google has the games.
The reason Switch is excluded is because this is a console people buy and THEN beg for ports.
I've just three things to say.
First: I'm one of the few that use always Opera browser.
Second: streaming games is far from being a good experience and will not be for many years.
Third: an android console is trash in my opinion, android os is quite a problem that reduces drastically the hardware capabilities, it will need too much optimization to run games at today (even yesterday) standard except for the mass of money grabbing free to play.
I don’t believe they have anything to worry about
They have the capital and they are allowed to make mistakes. They just have to get it right once.
More competition is good for all of us.
Ok what's the one thing missing from gaming right now?
...
Google Adwords and a Google algoritm checking all your activity!
This is going to be brilliant. Also, you'll be able to say 'Hey Google, tell me todays weather' without looking outside and 'Hey Google, what's the time?' without looking at a device telling you the time like a clock.
Of course, there was a time when people didn't think Nintendo needed to worry about Sony.
I buy Nintendo consoles for the top tier first party games. I’ve bought two games for the Switch. I knew going in that I would buy the great 1-2 first party games a year. I expected to have more by now, but unfortunately for me, Nintendo isn’t focusing on the franchises I want. I don’t have time for ports.
I’ll still buy the next system and let it sit for months on end until the next great first party game is released.
@Yorumi We just have to wait for the gap to close more between mobile chip-sets and x86 architecture and we will get there. Still a good decade away though.
I don't want, or like the idea, or practice of streaming-gaming. As long as my Nes 2, and carts still operate, I can still play Super Mario Bros. 3, anytime I want, and I do not require an internet to do so.
Even with movies, certain ones I prefer to have physically in my possession.
With anything, streaming takes away my ownership, as well as access, when the person/group/co. providing the content, decides to remove content from their service(s)
A streaming only console would be an immediate and complete turn off to those without internet in their homes (exhibit a: me).
@DABYX Publishing hasn't really "gone back to its roots", and it's actually pretty doubtful that it ever will. I know the widely available sales figures have physical publishing holding steady for the most part, but there is massive underreporting of e-book sales because there has been a significant movement towards self-published or "indie" e-books which no one is keeping track of.
Writers' associations like SFWA and RWA now accept self-publishing credits for their membership eligibility requirements because indie books and authors are already changing the landscape of publishing, and these changes will probably only accelerate as tablets and big-screen smartphones become more prevalent.
The rise of the e-book actually has a lot of parallels to the recent trends in gaming, but I won't belabor the point.
“Unless you’ve been actively avoiding it, you’ve probably heard about the company’s plans to reveal long-rumoured hardware at this year’s Game Developers Conference”
Yeah I hadn’t heard that. Stop presuming NintendoLife, it demeans you.
The trailer looks surprisingly vaginal but I doubt Google will offer any sort of climax.
I actually do Bing train times and pub closing because I detest Google. It is a vampire squid of the tech world. Clearly Microsoft has rattled Google, and yet Google is arriving late.
Succeeding in gaming is hard. I don't think Microsoft or Nintendo have anything to worry about. Google is going to fail at this and it will quickly give up.
Why would I be worried about a glorified microconsole? Google just knows about distributing games. Nintendo knows how to make em.
@Fake-E-Lee same here, unfortunately having to become a grown up meant I don’t think I’d had a console for 4/5 years until this Xmas just gone.
I’ve no real interest in another expensive iterative console. Google or Msoft really need to do something gamechanging to get my attention. I’d wager this is a common train of thought for a lot of Nintendo players.
lol no.
it's google. this thing will be abandoned within 2 years if not sooner.
Never heard of it.
@Maulbert Fixed*
It's a pass for me.
To compete with anyone they'll need exclusives. Good ones. And lots of em.
Or they'd need a hybrid device like Switch that gets tons of 3rd party games. But if that happens, those devs will port to Switch also to get double bang for buck with their ARM portable releases.
Either way, I dont see this breaking into the market. Even as a power console with lots of support, you can get that already on PS4 and X1, but with more multiplats and tons of exclusives. So ya, good luck and all, but the console market is notoriously hard to crack in to.
Google could prove a bad bet in gaming for another reason. Elizabeth Warren wants to break up Google because Google is very anti-competitive and stifles genuine innovation. Even if Warren doesn't win the Presidency in 2020 her policy is gaining traction and popularity with other Presidential candidates. Google as we know it may not exist any more in a few short years time. By contrast Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft will all still be around and will all still be making great games. That's a sweet future to look forward to!
Not with that horrid controller.
Also theres no way I'm buying a console with no exclusive ips to bring to the table or any innovation in hardware.
Final point like @ThanosReXXX said, I have no confidence in Google knowing what the gaming market wants.
I thought this was just going to be a game streaming service like PlayStation Now or GeForce Now? If it is, I wouldn't be worried. I'd be really excited if they helped make mobile gaming even better, though. I love my Switch but mostly because I love portable gaming.
I'd give the argument that a System is only as good as the exclusives it has and that in my opinion that's what drives people to buy certain consoles over others but then I remembered the Xbox exists.
I don't think any of the Big 3 should be worried.
@iLikeUrAttitude Yeah, that controller looks horrible indeed. Forgot to mention that in my own comment. It reminds me of that Ouya controller, and it doesn't look comfortable at all.
It depends entirely on software and if the state of Android gaming is anything to go by (compared to iOS) the normal players have little to fear.
Game streaming might work out on good broadband connections but any latency will kill twitch titles like FPS, Royale, Racing and Fighting games.
@ThanosReXXX It's basically the Ouya controller with the button layout of the Dualshock 4, a horrible combination...
I heard some of the same hype about the Phantom console way back when. Tomorrow always comes, one way or the other, and videogaming is on the cusp of a possible revolution once again. Who of the current big 3 will survive? Will streaming be coerced or compromised into the industry? Will physical games and consoles as we know them evaporate 100% within the next 10 years? So many questions. I will not wrack my brain with predicting where the industry is going, I just know it's going to be interesting to see what happens next.
@bones your observation just made me realize that if Google are serious about this then, yeaaaaah, they'll have to be really serious about this because that basically put them in a situation similar to the Dreamcast... and Google's track record of mismanaged project certainly echoes how Sega handled the Dreamcast(not well at all, like the thing sold less consoles than the WiiU).
I for one am intrigued. What if Google can provide classic games? They already have Sonic. What's stopping them from releasing games fans are desperate for, Banjo Kazooie games, proper Star Wars classics. If you ever downloaded a rom Google knows. What's stopping them from
releasing the top downloads and putting those on their console? What if Google get s proper sports games that Nintendo hasn't for 7 years? We probably could even check our email on this console.
It wont even be direct competition to the 'big 3' if it's just another micro console thing that Amazon did. Which, I totally expect Google to do here. Remember the fuss over Amazon 's gaming device? They even bought out Silent Hill Homecoming and Killer Instinct developer Double Helix to make games for it, but the biggest games you could play on it were mobile ports and the like that you could play on the TV. Which, isnt bad if you like that, but it doesnt compete with the 'big 3' in the slightest.
I'd be super interested if Google were to go all in and secure some big exclusive titles and act as an actual competitor, but I just don't see it happening and I'm fully prepared for their big announcement at GDC to kinda fall flat.
I am not so sure I am confident in Google to do a good job.
Nintendo should be concerned about fans' rage because we have already been waiting too long for a new big exclusive game in the first place.
Rule #1 for a successful console: CONTENT.
Rule #2 for a successful console: CONTENT.
Rule #3 for a successful console: CONTENT.
Google does not have the infrastructure or relationships to deliver that. No worries for Nintendo.
@Muddy_4_Ever Don't forget a good controller
Google doesn't have that either
I've barely heard of this and I don't feel motivated to hear more unless/until Chrome itself handily shoves it into the recommendation tray. The rumoured streaming factor doesn't help, especially since it's not just a matter of "technology being there" but service infrastructure being there as well (outside the latter, tech is practically there in Japan, but good luck pulling off such a Japan even in the US, let alone somewhere like Eastern Europe). But we'll see what we shall see. If it's something with portability and buttons, I can at least promise to lend my ear to the details.
And yet, it'll have to be something truly revolutionary to be a threat for the rest of the console market. Omnipresence courtesy of general multipurpose nature is not the make-or-break factor here, or consoles would have been long vanquished by the self-proclaimed "master race".😄
I have a lot of mixed feelings about this...
Does Google have the ability to really upset or influence the industry? Yes.
Will Google have an actual console or is this a streaming service? Not clear to me at all.
If it is a console in the traditional sense, I would share the concerns in this article. If this is more about streaming, a lot of people will be turned off. There are still too many gamers out there that want physical versions of games. Also too many that do not have the internet this requires. For example, I was on cable before I moved. Now I'm using expensive mobile data to get by at home and using the cable internet at my business to do higher bandwidth work. Fiber optic is supposed to come by residence soon, but I don't know when.
The point is, Google is heavily based on tech services, with it's hardware being designed mostly to promote those services. I can't help but be skeptical about any Google console and how well received it will ultimately be.
@Anti-Matter
"Streaming only games is NOT the future gaming.
That's the beginning of DISASTER.
And i start to HATE the future."
I totally agree with you
I have no desire to pass judgment on whatever Google’s doing until I actually know what it is, but I do have some thoughts. I haven’t followed tech very closely for awhile, but Google doesn’t have a great track record of staying committed to hardware. Remember when they bought Motorola? Heck, just the other day I read an article about how Google reassigned dozens of hardware engineers who had been working on their tablet and laptop teams. I wouldn’t be surprised if, whatever Google announces, people have largely forgotten about it a year after it comes out.
Castle crashers for Switch is being teased by the developers and no mention of that on this website?
@Magician just going to be a stickler and point out that DC and Xbox never competed against each other. Support ended the Dreamcast early in 2001, with the Xbox launching over the holidays.
@LunarFlame17 Remember when they bought Motorola? Heck, just the other day I read an article about how Google reassigned dozens of hardware engineers who had been working on their tablet and laptop teams.
So they are abandoning tablets and laptops?
@Crono1973 I have no idea, but taking dozens of people off of a project doesn’t sound like a good sign to me.
Nintendo IPs have always been their competitive advantage and that won't change. That's what has kept them in the video game business since the late 70s. It's why Atari, Sega and countless others have come and gone since then.
Apple tried the gaming world with the Pippen and was out of it within months.
It's a whole different animal from other IT. It requires thinking like a toy manufacturer and a movie producers. Do you create exciting, unique content that entertains and influences people?
As for Microsoft. They are a massive company, with Xbox a small component of that brand. If they ditch the console market, they will find a way to continue pushing the content, whether that means Xbox turns into a Netflix gaming service or something else. They aren't going away. Sony in fact is the one that needs to be worried, as the Playstation brand is about the only thing that continues making money for them, so if that dries up, they are in big trouble.
@MasterJay I totally agree with you
You agree with what?? Why don't people on this forum quote others because 'I agree with you' with no context is worthless.
@LunarFlame17 I have no idea, but taking dozens of people off of a project doesn’t sound like a good sign to me.
Yeah, they won't last.
Nintendo is one of the few that has arguably made a brand new successful IP in the last five years (Splatoon)
@JasmineDragon Fair enough, I did think afterward that I haven't actually been up on any information regarding sales for a while.
Was mostly musing about my personal experiences I guess.
I suppose my point I was trying to make overall (though I am tired mind lol)
is that there seems to be more of a split market with books and they can both live together whereas gaming, I reckon there is again a split market but it seems (again, my experiences!) that it just keeps pushing toward paying more for less.
I guess the Switch is a spit in the eye in some respects.
Anyway, enough of my rambles!!
Ta for the corrections
I really want to play gmail in VR!
Nintendo has had the most successful selling console of the past two years.
The NES Classic and SNES Classic editions alone were in the top ten best selling video games of the past year.
Nintendo is doing just fine.
It's been said before but Nintendo have not only survived, but thrived in the video game industry. Their IPs are their strength.
I have a friend who flat out refused to buy a WiiU until a new Zelda game was released for it (ww didn't count to him) and so when BotW was released he got a Switch to play it on instead. Mario Kart, Mario and Smash are also console sellers and this is a fact the world knows. Nintendo has the family and local multiplayer market share because everyone else who has attempted it has failed miserably. If Google can garner some kind of success from it, they still won't have the IPs to make it last.
@Crono1973 "Yeah, they won't last."
What won't last? 😁
But seriously, sorry, I understand what you mean, I'll edit it
@Kisame83 - that's true, support for the DC ended. However, there was product still on store shelves. The world wasn't as connected then as we are now, chances are your average consumer didn't know that DC production had ended.
@Anti-Matter streaming games IS the future. Just because you refuse to accept how things are going does not mean it's wrong.
Just out of interest, how many here still buy physical music or films as opposed to Netflix, Spotify etc...
@Medic_alert Sony made the Wii?
@carlos82 Longer term EVERYTHING will vanish
I don’t think anyone needs to be concerned about anything to do with a google console EXCEPT not being allowed to have a YouTube app on it
@geordie I still buy physical media.
I must say I’m intrigued. They recently hired Jade Raymond. This suggests to me that they’re aiming for the core gaming market. Some Triple A exclusives might be primed. Also, they already have a handle on casual games via Google Play. Starting today, Microsoft now allows streaming from PC to Xbox. Valve just announced Steam links to mobile devices. This sounds like “insider” reactionary moves to me, given the timing.
I think the Google system will allow users to download and stream games to any device with Google Play.
That a camera and mic on the controller? Creepy google
I can just imagine Google charging developers large fees just to put their games on the console. I wonder how many developers would balk at that, how many would go along with it.
I'll wait and see. I don't think they would make a console. It would probably be more of a service.
Google is an advert company that is focused on data collection. A game console/service by them would reflect that.
Nintendo is first and foremost a toy company, which is why they focus on gameplay. I doubt Google can compete in that realm.
@Tharsman
Right? And who’s wanting to put down another $500 to $600 just to have yet another “specs” console that does the same thing as the other two just prettier? This is why I argue that next gen is going to have a hard time selling itself in large numbers unless they bring smash hit titles with them. This google thing, honestly I haven’t heard of it despite visiting this page, ign, and PCgamer daily.
I'll just say, Nintendo should keep doing what they always do.... their own thing. Not following trends. keep being Nintendo and I will keep supporting them.
@geordie I do. still buy physical Music, books, games an movies.
@BlueKnight07
As I said to another commenter on this thread. Let’s say it is a traditional console but with more “specs” who is willing to plop down another $500-$600 to play games you can already play on the other two systems just with better FPS? I’m sure some would but more of the same doesn’t seem like it will sell all that well. If that just leaves streaming then, just look at any thread of comments under a cable/internet companies post on social media.
A lot of times it’s the end users router that’s really slowing things down but good luck educating the public on anything.
Tldr, just tell me whether or not Nintendo is doomed.
Worried? Nope.
It doesnt matter who comes out now. Nintendo and Sony are too powerful. It's not the right time, and timing is everything.
Nah, if there's anyone Nintendo should be worried about it's Microsoft. Specifically Microsoft's good quality services making Nintendo's services look very bad (e.g. Xbox Live Gold vs. Nintendo Switch Online).
Just go ahead a out my down as saying this will be the next Allo...dead before it even mattered
O really hope google, Amazon fail and the switch stays at the to p. But I am a little worried, but I think Nintendo will still be doing fine.
Streaming isn't the future we first need a true broadband of 100 gigabit Fiber. No one can do that right now in the NA. They would first ripoff the consumer before any consumer gets read benefits. Google for all they have Android is the real Prize in their piggybank. Without that they would just be another face. But they can't must the History of Nintendo Game creation that is a Fact. Also they have no hardware to support so if you want gaming without hardware that gives you no legs to stand on. And if they they did they have to compete not with Nintendo but Sony, Microsoft and Steam and COG. So it's not as simple as they article makes it or anyone makes it to be. As it stands now NA is a crappy patchwork of dial-up(remember that), DSL and Cable to Fiber. So til every inch is Fiber across NA Google should keep to Android instead. Want Streaming better have Fiber connections everyone then we can stalk about Streaming without lags or drops.
@GrailUK i see what U did there 😂
It won't make me nervous since I already don't have enough time to play the systems I have! I don't feel like Google could ever offer me anything I couldn't get from one of the existing systems anyway. I could be wrong though, we shall see.
I've always seem Nintendo as either my main console or one of a couple of them. I think it comfortably sits next to consoles from "competing" companies in a way that many of them can't.
It's hard to say whether Google's gaming initiative will work or not when we know so little.
Will it be actual hardware or just a streaming box?
If it is indeed a streaming box, how well will the technology function?
How much will the device cost?
What 3rd party software will be available?
What exclusive 1st party software will be available?
It will be a hybrid stream/android console that can play android games (and some exclusives) from the box and also offer a subscription service. Price will make or break it. Google Nexus smartphone/tablet devices (before Pixel line) offered excellent quality. Google can afford to bleed financially for years. Nintendo wants consoles to be profitable from day one. Lets wait and see
@Jokerwolf have to look into that. Don't have a gaming PC at home, and I don't really want one at this point either.
Eh, f*** Google. Most of their hardware initiatives have been complete failures. They only exist to suck up your data and monetize it. They introduce and kill off services almost every week. Nintendo has nothing to fear here.
You're talking about a company that hasn't even got a competetive and standard online platform in 2019. They don't care about anything. Nintendo exist in their own bubble god bless em.
Google Station? Google Box?
Will just be an andriod phone which plugs in to your TV so you can play mobile games, no interest what so ever
I'm currently in the process of phasing out all use of Google products from my life, so I'm not really concerned. Or interested.
As was said before on this thread: Two letters I P
Intellectual Property or
Italian Plumber.
Me when I scroll through the comments: [Grabs Popcorn] This is gonna be good.
@Setery I'd argue a streaming only console should be around $50. Not sure why it would need any more power than a SNES mini.
@SwitchForce um, sorry but no. Whee doyou even get that fto km? 100Gbit? We can do it now easily with a 45Mbit connection. The problem isn’t the throughput, it is latency. And 5G has latency lower than a human can detect.
Right now is actually the perfect time for someone to take a shot at game streaming.
one look at the mock up controller if it ends up being anything like that tells me a lot already about this, doesn't look comfortable at all. However if the controller ends up being good it will come down to what it always does, do they have good games. They would need a killer line up of great titles to convince people to pick up this machine. Also streaming gaming is still a really difficult sell because internet is still not up to snuff to where it needs to be in anywhere but some bigger cities. I'm lucky enough to live in a small town where a local company ran fiber for most of the town, but most smaller towns do not have great internet speed options still in rural America at least. And there are countries that have even poorer internet infrastructures than us.
@geordie
I buy physical music all the time.
My only interest in game streaming is if they could stream hi res VR games to the next Rift that would be amazing and a way to get VR more mainstream since you won't need a top shelf PC for high fidelity content anymore. Other than that I would rather have my content processed and rendered locally. Either way I don't see how it has anything to do with Nintendo.
@geordie
Streaming gaming is NOT the future.
That's the Beginning of DISASTER.
I will NOT Buy such a machine like that.
I still Love Physical media.
@Magician it probably varied by region, stock, internet access, magazines on shelves, etc. It was a few months into the following year when I had saved enough (oh those poor broke days) to enter that generation. I chose the GC initially, but it was quite clear the Dreamcast was dead (and not terribly well represented on shelves) and Xbox was making the rounds. Personally, I didn't touch Xbox until Kotor and Ninja Gaiden drew mr in (and the controller was redesigned), and friends still brought DC to gatherings for fighting game tournaments. But my local game shops did seem to sunset the console pretty quick while going all in on the new Xbox hype.
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