Nintendo president Shuntaro Furukawa has revealed that the Nintendo Switch Online service has had a "good" launch, noting that the company's focus is now on boosting its appeal to secure more subscribers and convince early adopters to stick around.
It was recently revealed that more than 50% of Switch players who have signed up to the recently-launched Nintendo Switch Online service have opted for an annual plan, as opposed to the one-month and three-month options, but we still haven't received any official figures for how many Switch users have actually subscribed. This new comment from Nintendo's president (taken from a recent Q & A briefing) is the closest we've come to understanding its early success but, as you can see for yourself, the company isn't willing to share further details just yet.
"We think Nintendo Switch Online had a good launch, but the service has only just begun, so we have no plans to disclose any current subscriber ratios or number of subscribers at this time. Our objective for launching the service is to bring "More Games. More Features. More Fun." to Nintendo Switch. Our focus at this point is on boosting the appeal of the service. We need to further enhance the content of the service for the subscriber base to reach a certain size, so that is what we're working on, with the understanding that the time it will take to do so will be measured in years."
Despite being unwilling to provide those exact subscriber numbers, Furukawa did expand on ways in which the service might progress in the years to come. He spoke of the special NES controllers exclusive to Switch Online subscribers, hinting at the potential for the service to go "beyond" being a digital-only affair.
"As for the kind of service this will develop into in the future, Nintendo Switch Online is essentially a digital service, but we are also offering controllers specifically for use with Nintendo Entertainment System - Nintendo Switch Online exclusively to subscribers of the service. We see the need to develop the service beyond being merely digital, in ways play to our strengths as a company that operates an integrated hardware and software business."
This paid-for online service is brand new territory for both Nintendo and its fanbase, so seeing its development over the next few years could be very interesting indeed.
Have you subscribed to the Online service? Does Nintendo need to do more to entice you in? Perhaps you wish things were still how they were before the paid subscription was introduced? Whatever you're feeling, let us know below.
[source nintendo.co.jp]
Comments 180
Mehhhhhhhh. Let’s see how it plays out.
Sounds like the subscriber numbers are actually disappointing; they are probably holding back until after Smash releases to see if they can boost it up to a good number that they can crow about to investors.
"More Games. More Features. More Fun."
Kinda hoped they were going to improve their online tbh. And stuff like no cloud saves for Splatoon 2 are ridiculous.
I'm holding off for Smash. I LOVED played Splatoon 2 online, but I'm honestly burnt out on the game and when I signed up for the trial week I had nothing but communication errors. I tested my internet and I have pretty good speeds so I really can't figure out what the issue is.
We also need real rewards such as free games other than NES.
I want to see some discounts on existing games exclusive to subscribers. Also, just give us one vaguely recent game on the virtual console! NES games are so dated.
Smash should help. I still haven't' even bothered with my free trial. And Pokemon if you need the online for Pokemon, I forget.
It's early yet.
Honestly even though it's free I'd rather they spend more time improving MyRewards, like, ya know, adding Switch games 18 months after it launched, than the paid for online. MyRewards is an embarrassing reminder every month when it updates, Nintneod needs to improve it or make it go away. I still don't understand why Draglia Lost is the only mobile game that isn't include in the rewards, either earning or spending coins, that makes no sense at all.
NO just started, it can only get better, and it probably will. And it's still cheaper than its' 2 major competitors, so it has that going for it.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Only once they give us Snes, GB and GBA games included in the service, I will consider paying. Improve the offer, Nintendo, and you will get more money from us. Right now is not worth it at all.
I'm pretty disappointed to be honest. All I've really used are the cloud saves, something I have for free on my Xbox. Maybe if they also had SNES game or newer I'd be excited. But I've always felt NES games didn't age well.
So dissapointing to see nintendo patting themselves on the back for this appauling service!
I love the First Line of this "We think Nintendo Switch Online had a good launch"
You THINK??? Thats great, I THINK I should be a Millionaire, but I'm not.
@NewAdvent I assure you that if we got more appart from NES games, people wouldn't complain. I think it's not crazy to ask for games from SNES, GB and GBA. Even from N64 wouldn't be too much to ask.
I know the service is cheap, ok, but not even at that price is worth it right now. At all...
"You're blowin' it man!" Less features than it's predecessor for more cost. Pretty disappointing....these trickle out NES games are a joke. That said, better games and I like the cartridge format a LOT....but....still. "Just begun"....geez at this rate the console will be discontinued before it gets even remotely interesting...what are they doing with the money?
Here's my (likely to be unpopular) idea on how to make it better:
-Charge $50 a year!
-Offer bonuses/incentives that are on par with PS Plus: free retail-level games (games like Arms, or Mario+Rabbids, Lego City, etc.) that you have for the duration of your PS Plus account.
-Bulk up the classic selection. Three games a month is a pitiful amount, especially since the selection has been, thus far, unexciting. They've gone to that well too many times.
Honestly, I've met far more people who have complained about the Switch Online service than I have PS Plus, and I believe that has less to do with price than what is offered. I mean, how many would gripe about $50 if they were given limited access to a small, rotating selection of retail titles, a larger selection of NES games, bluetooth support, etc.? Yeah, probably quite a few but I know that I would rather pay more for more than less for less.
Based on those comments and not wanting to disclose numbers I’m guessing that the pick up rate was lower than the hoped. Personally I didn’t sub as it wasn’t really offering me anything I couldn’t do without.
Bring SNES and N64 catalogs, in the end we are just paying for the games as the connection is still P2P
As usual... if you have good numbers - you just say them.
If not?
1. "good launch"
2. "2X more" (than our other failure on console "X" we also embarrassed to give a number for)
3. "Met expectations"
4. "exceeded expectations" (exceeding ambiguity is always better than just ambiguity 😉)
I can still play WarFrame online on Switch next month, so I'm All set either way.
@BanjoPickles Or, better yet, be like Xbox Live and let us KEEP the free games even after our subscriptions expire. I always thought the PS Plus free games system was bs
No Snes games, no deal
@frogopus
2.4 GHz goes farther but is slower
5.0 GHz is faster but can't reach as far
Smash Bros. Ultimate will add more value. Maybe add online to Super Mario Party.
I came here to see crying. Don't disappoint me gang...
Nintendo has really missed the boat! Why they haven't given away all of their IPs for NES, SNES, N64, and Gamecube for $20/year is beyond me! For that price they should throw in the entire Switch library as well!
As a fan of gaming and art, I am really concerned about the minutia of Nintendo's business figures. This helps me, a random person on the internet, to form instant deep-dive "analysis" and judgements about the 100+ year old company and what it should and should not be doing.
By my accounts, what Nintendo should be doing, is basically just provide me with whatever I want...and now, regardless of business strategy, market, or long-term intentions. That is definitely the best path forwards and would satisfy me...now. "Now" being the most crucial and vital point, before my patient and focused attention turns elsewhere!
Let's take online play away from users so they can pay for our nearly meaningless subscription so that eventually maybe the fluff we add to it will be worth something to somebody.
"We think Nintendo Switch Online had a good launch"
WHAT ???
Define good? Why don't they give us concrete figures? It's rhetorical, I know why. It's better for them to spin it as "We think Nintendo Switch Online had a good launch." Others would say differently I bet if Nintendo gave us the numbers. And the service as it currently stands is dog excrement. I'm not paying for it until it improves drastically.
I’m happy with what the online service is at the moment since I haven’t played many of the NES games before but I am just waiting for Smash before I get it, also I would really like some SNES games as well.
Ok I think this is good news. Implicit within these statements is that they know the service hasn't exactly been floor-sweepingly successful and they know they need to do a lot more to secure more subscribers and to keep them long term.
If the service had been better received I think the big N would have been lazy with it's development - but they actually can't now and they know it. They have to make it a viable product and quickly – they know NES games alone has not been received well.
I think we can expect the next major reveal to be far more interesting (Gamecube/GBA/Wii or a surprise high profile HD remake for free). Otherwise they'll kinda lose this one.
I'm not subscribing at the moment. Super Mario 3 is almost the only thing of interest to me on there to me - and I have that game in multiple ways.
Honestly giving us Metroid Prime HD remaster alone as a free part of the service would single-handedly save the service. That or HD Mario Galaxy games.
@Cobalt They said it was "Good" but also said "we have no plans to disclose subscriber numbers now"...which is corporate speak for "The numbers are pretty bad, we're working on improving that, please don't let our stocks drop again"
@the_beaver I agree with everything you said buddy.
I hate when people think that paying custumers have to stay silent when Nintendo messes things up. I love Nintendo, they make my beloved Zelda games, but in my opinion Nintendo are far from perfect when it comes to "decisions" as a whole.
@cglh25
Yeah $20 for a year is nothing to cry about, even if you barely use it. They definitely should give us more than 3 games per month, and from other systems though. In addition to Smash, I think the big game to get more people on board will be Animal Crossing.
I have a mini NES and an actual NES and rarely play online so I have no need for the service as it is at the moment, give us some GameCube games and we'll talk
Its pathetic and they know it. Trivial drip fed old games that whilst some of them are truly great is far from being anywhere near the appeal that this ervice needs. This is Nintendo its just a shame that they forget that themselves all too often. This service should have huge selections of multiple Nintendo platforms free to play from the word go. Cloud save should not be some weird optimization but in place for every single game, just like all the other consoles do. Voice chat. We know its available, so make it so. What is the point in offering a lower priced service is its far lower quality than the others. When will they learn this.
@carlos82 Snap.
@ilikeike
Absolutely ! I think the same !
@Roarsome
Yes exactly ! I want discounts for subscribers. Things like that rock
Everyone's complaining about the nes games.
Guys. Just stop.
NES games were 5 or 6 bucks on wii, wii u, and 3DS.
THIS IS A STEAL IF YOU LIKE THESE GAMES!
The main appeal is supposed to be the online, not the NES games. Those are just added to give a bit of insentive.
@Mallow Exactly, Nintendo works for us and therefore should bow to our every whim. The fact that the Nintendo Switch Online isn’t free and doesn’t have Nintendo’s entire retro catalogue and doesn’t have dedicated servers and doesn’t give me free cash in the mail every month is frankly abhorrent.
They could start by enabling invites for other games besides Splatoon 2. I doubt that would take "years".
@MysticGengar but the online is hardly top draw. No native voice chat, no messaging, no dedicated servers just P2P connection. So even if judged on just that it’s meh. The NES thing is ok if you are into it but it’s nothing new.
In other words.. the launch was a tad underwhelming .
I see this as "disappointing launch but we're relying on Smash Ultimate to increase numbers", Nintendo would've provided numbers if it actually was a good launch. They may also pull a Xbox 360 and lock Netflix behind the subscription.
@Mr_Pepperami
I agree with voice chat, but the other tech stuff I have no clue what that means.
Then again what can you people expect for 20 dollars a year 😑
Rather than read all the hate and disappointment in the comments above, I will just say this: I paid for the sub in hopes that it will help Nintendo bring a more robust service to the fans.
It's early investing in a company I still believe in.
It’s super cheap and so is the service you get
Golden Eye (or perfect dark) online please, ow and SNES games.
@ThomasS
Ok.
Thats just because that's the most iconic games in their library.
So don't expect them to dissapear anytime soon
@the_beaver pretty much this. The NES games just aren’t a draw. SNES and GBA games and we’d be in there straight away.
The “More features” part does sound like Netflix and Amazon might be in the offering.
@frogopus I have issues during play constantly. How do I check which type of connection I have? I'll admit I'm pretty stupid when it comes to this.
NES was never really a hit for everyone. We’ve had Switch Online for a while now, how about start rolling out SNES games every month? 3 games every month like NES and we’ll all sign up for it.
I don't know about you guys, but the first thing I do when I fire up my Switch and play "Breath of the Wild" or "Octopath Traveler" is think:
"Okay, gorgeous, engaging, fun...BUT what are the numbers here? And how will those numbers impact stock prices? How do those numbers compare with Sony or Microsoft? If the numbers are low, how can I possibly still enjoy these games? Maybe the games actually aren't that good and the system is doomed! Sales figures, subscriber counts...they so directly impact my life...I MUST know. How else will I be able to be on the winning team and side with the "correct" company? And if I'm not "correct," how can I possibly form an identity around it and speak authoritatively about it online?"
Or maybe that's just me...
At this point I’d be satisfied if third party/indies get any kind of voice chat support, app or otherwise. The fact that there is no vc support whatsoever is such a huge step backwards, even for Nintendo.
What an overly lame service.
Avoid.
This are good news as it is apparent that most people spoke with their wallet (me included) to say this is not good enough. Maybe now they will bring SNES games (just maybe as so far they have been pretty clear that it is not in the plans) but above all I want special offers ( online multiplayer is something that I don't care)
I don't think waiting a year to release this was the best decision since it is underwhelming but we all knew Nintendo was behind in the online game so anyone who was expecting the service to rival PS or MS weren't being realistic. I really hate the phone app though that thing friggin sucks.
You wanna play online then you have to fork out and pay. I would not say it is a successful launch because people wanna play online and you not really giving them much of an option but I am glad to see you are wanting to boost the appeal. If you really want people onboard though, starting porting SNES, N64 and GC games.
@Mallow dude, what are you on about?? This is an article about the online element of the switch so people are gonna talk about the good and the bad. If this was a conversation about the solo experiences on any Nintendo console it would be pretty much universally praised but online gaming is and has become a larger piece of the pie to the larger gaming community. The sub rates just give an overall bigger picture of what people thought of it as a product. Don’t think anyone is claiming it impacts their life but we are on a Nintendo forum so strangely people are talking about Nintendo. If you want I can post messages about my life, health and family if that makes you happier.
His description sounds like they've not had as many subscribers as they'd like, hopefully that means more content and better service. I am still holding out until i feel that the service is worth paying for. As of right now there is nothing there that is dragging me to pay for it yet. It's going to take a couple really good games I want to play that I don't already have to probably pick it up. Even with getting smash in december I rarely played it online on wii u and wii, so I can avoid paying for the service until they give me the things that will make it worth it to me.
So it’s fairly clear subscriber numbers haven’t been great. Maybe Smash will bring in a few new sign ups.
This is the best thing for everyone though. No really. Far more chance of them improving it if they have the incentive of wanting to increase subscribers. As it stands they’ve tried to do the absolute minimum.
@Mallow
What I’ve managed to do, in over thirty years of playing games, is be very interested in the industry and the sales side of things and play games as well. Almost as if those things aren’t mutually exclusive. Madness I know, but it can be done.
@Mr_Pepperami I'm trying to figure out how Nintendo's Online Service subscriber numbers (released or not) is of any real concern to gamers. What does it do for you to have those numbers? Apart from say "Nintendo good" or "Nintendo bad" ? Are you able to form an accurate judgement on the service's success or failure 2 months into its life?
The larger point is that it seems the gaming community is more into the speculation of business: earnings, profits, sales, etc. and making snappy judgements than actual games.
You'd think this forum was filled with MBAs of billion-dollar enterprises with the amount of hand wringing over what Nintendo "should" be doing and offering.
@Mallow With you on that, you'd swear we were in a shareholders' meeting.
I get more communication errors now than when the service was free.
Honestly, they should have had the llibrary of past Nintendo games (well, at least 5-10 games from the NES, SNES, N64, Gameboy/Color/Advance) ready at launch. Along with voice chat/messaging direct on the Switch, and all games backed up via the Cloud.
Instead of basically the same we had for free with a NES library.
Satisfied with NSO so far (and I don't even think I've played an online mode of anything that requires it yet), but I'm personally not in the market for physical perks, especially since I have to use an account from a country I've never lived in or been to. There are no official Nintendo stores in Belarus (the few dealers will most likely not get exclusive stuff in stock), and it's a safe bet that the geographically closest ones only ship within Russia itself.
@Mallow some people find the economics part of the business interesting but others don’t. Sometimes these kind of figures can lead to educated guesses on where certain products may go in the future or may change due to lower numbers or whatever. You might not find that interesting but others do and no one is forcing you to read it at the end of the day. Like for me if there is an article on Pokemon I don’t bother as I have zero interest.
@frogopus Honestly, I just use the router ATT/DirectTV installed. I believe my speeds were better than 3mb/s (is this upload or download?).
"...the time it will take to do so will be measured in years."
Ouch. So, don't hold your breath? It is deliberately designed to launch as a bare-bones service with an appropriate(ish) price point. Even then, the main purpose is to enable online play, but there are zero changes to the way it is implemented. It is simply a charge for matchmaking that was free before. Nothing has changed. It was always going to be a hard sell and all the bells and whistles in the world cannot detract from that main fault. Improved net code would be a step in the right direction.
@Mr_Pepperami I actually agree with you completely...if I saw thoughtful, nuanced responses about economics. The economics side does interest me as well, however "gimme (insert system)" doesn't really qualify.
The service is still new. It will evolve over time. The virtue of patience is needed a bit. Just because everything is not day 1, doesn't mean it won't happen in some form. So when I read "boooo" or "fail" for something 2 months old, I don't really do anything but roll my eyes to this sort of "instant hot take" culture.
The Switch has the potential to have a long lifecycle...maybe longer than we have been used to. It will evolve...and its current online numbers aren't a true indicator of anything yet.
Just put games from your other systems on the service. SNES/GBA/N64/GC. Whatever. ANYTHING else is better.
Wanna make more hardware? How about SNES controllers? N64 controllers? GameCube controllers? Just give us those consoles' games!
"Boosting its appeal" is such an easy goal it's not even funny.
Just add an S to the NES, then up the ante with every subsequent console.
Bam, here's the appeal you were looking for.
@Mallow oh I agree. People just saying fail or stuff like dooommmmed is garbage but it’s interesting to me to see the initial uptake and feeling towards the service especially as the low price would initially make it look like a slam dunk. Just goes to show when you have an established model of a type of service and how it should operate, people expect that regardless of price(however how unrealistic that is). Personally I haven’t subbed yet just as there’s hasn’t been a pressing need and the NES games haven’t appealed that much but I certainly don’t think it’s bad value for money. It’s def not that
I'm perfectly happy with the online service. And I don't even game online! Heck - my Switch can't even connect to my home's Wi-Fi.
There is literally no appeal to boost in the first place. The service is a serious mess and an incredible amount of work is needed to compete with other online services.
I'm loving Switch Online and have had ZERO issues with it at all. $20 a year is dirt cheap and I'll gladly spend that much each year without even thinking about it.
Nintendo Switch Online brought to you by the MyNintendo team.
@BladedKnight They are giving me what I want. I'm allowed to be satisfied.
We all know the Nintendo switch online service is basically paying for the (Nes Games) and who even plays them anyway.If we had some type of games like GAME-CUBE games, snes, N64, not just Nes games PEOPLE MIGHT actually pay for it (come on NINTENDO!!!!!
Where is that Metroid Prime or super smash bros Melee
and WIND WAKER, for the time BING.
@justin233 i think more nes games would be great because there nes
SNES, gameboy, and N64 games would be nice. I like the good NES games but please do more than 3 of them a month during 2019. Free indies, 1st party switch games, or real member discounts would be nice too. I rarely play online so its all about the games for me.
I did the seven day trail and never bothered to renew... because honestly I didn't need it and it offered nothing for me...
Now add classic games like a virtual console, free and discounted indie games and Id sign up in a heartbeat...
@NewAdvent
If they threw even a quarter of their back catalogue on from across all their consoles then subs would sky rocket. What they offer now is terrible but after suffering through the slow drip feed of the Wii U VC I'm not surprised.
Us simple minded, NES loving folk who haven’t aged well and decided a NES app with online play and cloud saves are worth $20 will fund the improvements to Switch Online. Everything has to start somewhere. I’m happy to be in on the ground level. Don’t even care if that makes me a “fanboy” to someone lame enough to use that word.
If I was a developer with a game coming to the Switch and that said game has online I'd be pretty annoyed with Nintendo for killing off half the games selling power because who wants to buy that game with so few online players.
@Wouwter the reason why splatoon 2 doesnt have cloud saves is due to cheating players/hackers.
I'm a subscriber. I have been systematically playing through all the NES games (in between current Switch games) and I am currently on Ice Climbers and I have enjoyed myself with every NES game I have played so far (even the bad ones). So you won't hear me complain about the NES games.
I can still play Splatoon. It worked well when online was free, and it still works well now that I pay. I would prefer it was still free but nothing I can really do about it, I knew I was going to be paying for online eventually so I made peace with that a long time ago.
Besides having my saves backup on the cloud I haven't had need of that future but if I ever lost my save data I would be happy it was a feature. They should allow all games to back up though. I promise not to cheat in Splatoon, Nintendo.
Mario Party online made me grumpy. I didn't buy it for the online feature at all but I thought it looked entertaining for what it was. I didn't think I would have so much lag and disconnects playing a few minutes games with three other randoms online but it is almost unplayable for me. With 4 players it always lags terribly but it had worked fine if I only manage to connect with one or two people. Not sure why I can play a eight player match in Splatoon no problem but a 4 player mini game is unplayable. Mario Party online was the first time I got grumpy paying for online. Not because of how basic the online feature is in that game, but because it was basic I have tons of issues trying to play it. If there was no online feature in the game I honestly wouldn't have even thought about it or cared.
Hopefully Smash works good for me but I am nervous since they basically told us we should have a wired connection. I don't really want to be paying more to have it playable.
@PrincessBowsette So put restrictions on restoring your cloud save. Nintendo can find a way around cheating and it really should. Splatoon 2 is THE online game on Switch after Mario Kart, it's ridiculous that they don't even add cloud saves to it.
Snes games and I'm in.
My guess is that it's not going as good as expected.
If you play on line a lot, the subscription is a necessary evil. I don't play online so the subscription is of no use to me. Not to play a few old games.
Nintendo will have to try a lot harder to win over gamers who don't play on line. £17 is half way towards a new game, which is why I bought a Switch.
@Wouwter Really, the cloud save issue is for the Splatoon devs to work, not the Nintendo Online crew.
@gokev13 Nintendo won't mind grumpy, so long as you keep paying your subscription. 🙄
@HobbitGamer Fair enough, I just put it on Nintendo as a whole.
@zool Well I have the family plan so I guess we will see what happens in a year.
I'm still not paying for it. Just doesn't appeal to me.
The good news to take away from this is enough people found value to subscribe and show Nintendo it could be improved in order to draw closer to the numbers they hope for. That's my impression, anyway.
For me the NES games alone were worth the 20 bucks.
But the important thing is the Dislike button on NL! It'll spark a damn revolution!
@MattFox It's the best thing to happen on here for ages, now they need to fix it so it goes beyond +5 and hides the dross...
@bimmy-lee for me it's £40 cheaper than a mini NES so I'm happy. I don't buy things thinking about when servers might go down in years to come I live in the here and now.
Plus I'm looking at it from the point of view that this is just the start, in fact if you look at the page where you download the NES app you can see it's spaced to allow room for more products. I'm patient, there's no rush, as the other apps drop I'll add them.
Honestly, there is so little that it is offering as a subscription service. The retro games they give us are not the best (kinda wonder who was the person deciding which titles should be in that launch lineup)
and certainly not the ones that make me harken back to joyful childhood memories on my NES. NO VOICECHAT ON THE CONSOLE!! What?!?! Why wouldn't you allow that, hell they do it on Fortnite without any stupid phone app?! Next, why are there no achievments? Nothing even like achievements on the switch. Anybody else remember when the PS3 retrofitted many games with achievements? I do. It would be nice to have something like stars that relate to achievements, but no, we get to pay to play a few games online and use our phone to chat if we wanna play online and then, we can only chat in a private party with people we know or have on our friend list, can't just jump into a match and coordinate with strangers... god forbid we could talk to strangers. It honestly feels like Nintendo is like a helicopter parent watching their children use the internet for the first time in the 90's and are worried about them meeting a stranger and getting kidnapped! I love my Switch, play it more than my other consoles and PC, but their policies and over-bearance is just a bit on the "Crazy Mom" side.
Edit: I should note that I do have a subscription to NintendoOnline and a family one at that, so I am a paying customer speaking my mind.
I'm not going to speak for everyone, but I don't want NES games (well, not JUST NES), they took away VC, but most of the games I want are SNES games, I want to play, Super Metroid, Super Mario All Stars, Mario World 1 & 2, Mario RPG, and God knows how many others, no offense, but screw NES, give me a reason to get Nintendo Direct, NES games may be accepted for now, but people will want a hell of a lot more than JUST NES games
SNES, GB/GBC, GBA, N64, ect.
@HobbitGamer i do think the online service is going to get alot better since their adding more classic games each month and more improvements as well
The way I see it, only paying $20 a year makes all the NES games(that are usually $5 a pop) worth it alone. You can make the "old NES games" argument, but my point still stands.
I can understand why some people wouldn't share my more optimistic view on it, and that's fine. I would love to see SNES games on the service.
@WiltonRoots - I agree, other systems are definitely coming. If this is the replacement for VC as it appears, this will become the best online catalog of retro games available, and so much cheaper (for me at least) than buying individual titles. Like you, I’m not worried about where that will leave me in a 20 years when the servers are down because I’ll have long since moved on, but my memories of playing the same NES games with my kids that I played as a kid will remain.
@Mallow I've enjoyed your comments so far, as they are terribly dry and well written, just as I like them. Keep it up, but also understand that this is a forum where fans weigh in on a company that they, basically, keep in business. In this case these comments are like a town hall that, if they wanted to, Nintendo could come to read through and possibly see where they could improve or need to improve. Doubtful that many of us (including yourself and that dry wit of yours) contemplate the financials of a game company at any other time than when the company announces something regarding one of their services as it pertains to paying customers. The service - as it stands right now - is lacking. Everyone cannot be pleased all the time and the internet does give the whiniest of ppl the loudest shriek, no need to berate them.
@bimmy-lee And you'll also be able to tell your kids, "See this cute game here with the nice cuddly characters that you love? There were men older than Daddy having massive temper tantrums on websites over this, I kid you not!"
I haven't picked it up...merely because I haven't been to BB in a while to get a card. I will likely sign up during smash week.
@3rdParty Another quality post...
If the Super NES and N64 titles aren't coming next year then I'm considering cancelling the service. You got one more year to impress me with the service Nintendo, I expect great things for it the years to come and I hope it delivers.
@RidzDesign if only. Nintendo have held back on games BECAUSE of the indi games.
These indi games took Nintendo by surprise, the amount that poured onto the Switch. So Nintendo have held back on the type and amount of games they were going to include with the subscription.
They don't want to jeopardise the revenue stream from the indi games.
That is also why they postpone games like Yoshi and Fire Emblem. To many big games will have an effect on indi sales.
I am not one of those subscribers. Not worth it to me. Even when smash comes, it'll be singer player mode for awhile until this online subscription improves. Even if my switch dies, still not getting it because splatoon 2 is not backed up. I've spent the most time there and 2 pairs of joycons died at the mercy of that game. I'll keep my money and wait for the inevitable. At least my ps4 is getting quite the workout now.
@3rdParty
1) Nintendo, like Sony, started offered online services long before they went paid. Sony built up all their services for free, while offering a paid version to support that development. Nintendo have had two years on the Switch alone and the service hasn't changed beyond offering cloud support. Nintendo also offered online services for the Wii and Wii U. Yet, the switch seems to be a step backwards for the company. Point being, Nintendo had 3 other major services to model off and learn from, as well as their own services, and they just didn't.
2) Which is fine, but the service they are currently providing is not just 5 years, or one generation behind, it's closer to 15 years, or 2 gens behind, while still asking for money for such a service. The current Switch service is directly competing with modern, far better services, and if it fails to take off then it will never catch up. This will have a knock on effect for the service and Nintendo's future with having a strong online community.
3) All the more reason why the service needed the extra features even more. Because now the service is judged on its 5 features (Online, Cloud, NES, Bonuses, and a chat app). Which isn't very good, because the online is P2P and works on a limited number of games. The Cloud doesn't work for all games. NES is 25+ years old. Bonuses are really weak. And the chat app is the worst thing anyone has ever seen. This is how people still see the service as bad value despite it being cheap.
4) Buying the titles you enjoy, and renting whatever titles Nintendo throws at you are two different things. Combined sales of the NES and SNES are 10 million. That's less than half the Switch consumer base, and probably has a lot of cross over. Meaning the actual number of people who are always up for Classics is a lot lower. the NES games don't appeal to the majority of Switch owners, and I'd bet there's those like me who won't rent, but would buy.
5) See 4. Out of everyone I know who has a Switch, and don't come to these boards, they still haven't paid for Switch online because it offers them nothing. They buy the single player games and play the xbox or PS to play online. This is a fast track way to having the online service fail. And just like the xbox one reveal, the internet is just pinpointing what exactly is wrong with what the company is proposing. MS tried to correct course but it had already cost them the market lead. Nintendo aren't trying to correct course at all.
Super Mario Run?
Free AAA games and discounts would be nice, as would dedicated servers for, say, Splatoon 2 (Seriously, what is the point in paying for online if the services see virtually no improvement over the Wii U's online infrastructure?).
Also, give us messaging, native game invites and native voice chat plz (Condemn that God-forsaken app to the depths of Hell where it belongs).
"..but we are also offering controllers specifically for use with Nintendo Entertainment System" They're acting like this was a complimentary gift or something. I mean, they're SELLING these controllers. Not giving them away as a part of the online service. That is not a perk, Nintendo.
I'm happy to hear the infrastructure and features will expand with time. Good they have a model to be able to invest in.
@frogopus Thank you for your help. <3
You make it more 'appealing' by actually having dedicated servers for online & cloud saves for ALL games. No excuses for either of these things.
@WiltonRoots - Haha, I’m hoping nearly every aspect of current culture will seem completely weird and foreign to them in 25 years. At four and two though, that’s exactly how they deal with something not going the way they had hoped.
For the argument of how "$20 a year is better than $5 NES games." How many NES games do you want? No, seriously: I grew up with NES, and I can't fathom wanting more than 20 of them at the very most. $5 x 20 NES games = $100 total. That is the equivalent to 5 years of the Switch Online service, after which you will not be able to play those NES game on your Switch again without ponying up more cash. And when the service ends? Well, we have no reason to believe the games don't go with it. If you don't care about those other NES games - like me - how is this possibly a better service?
Look, I'm not against the service. I just want virtual console WITH Nintendo Switch Online. The two, hand-in-hand. They could even benefit one another! Say someone gets NSO, and tries a freebie game they never heard of. "WOW," they say, "I love this game!" They then decide to spend the $5 (though I still think it should be cheaper) to permanently own that NES game on their Switch without the online subscription. Nintendo just made more money for doing nothing but offering both options together. Not to mention that Nintendo WILL make money off of people like me who just want to own the games. So why not both? I can't believe it's because of the costs, nor can I believe it's not "technologically feasible."
I want my games collections as consolidated as possible by this point because of how many blasted machines there are now a days: the Switch is a perfect chance to do it, but I get the sense more and more that Nintendo would rather me stick to my Wii U or even do the unthinkable - emulating games on the PC!
@3rdParty
Not sure how we grade our levels of interest or what I’m having to justify but I have always been very interested in the industry. What validation do you need? My collection of books on the subject? The five hour presentation I could do on the mistakes Sega made with the Saturn? The companion essay on ‘Nintendo, the Wii U and corporate arrogance?’
I have no sympathy for Nintendo on this. They chose to lag behind their competitors for years, they chose to do the bare minimum with the Switch service rather than take the opportunity to use some of their vast funds and catch up, they chose not to get the service up to the standard of their competitors before going to a charging model. This isn’t like my youngest son learning to walk, they’re a business and supposedly a leader in their field. If I open a pub and serve poor quality beer and forget to put chairs in, nobody is going to stick around because “I’ve not been doing it long”.
I think Nintendo have got a lot right with the Switch but they’re making a mistake here. You’re right in that Online isn’t a focus for them. But then don’t try and turn it into a revenue stream.
I also hope they’re aware of the knock on effects. Whereas previously I’d play a few games of Rocket League (a game I initially discovered through Playstation Plus) on Switch and then I already had the machine on so I’d likely go to another Switch game or have a look at the digital store. Now I’m doing that on another system, usually my Xbox. I haven’t bought a Switch game since the Online service launched. I’m not saying that’s typical but I won’t be alone.
You’re also right in saying that not paying is more effective than discussing it on here. However I can testify that it’s possible to do both. This is a site dedicated to Nintendo and the Community within is going to discuss and have opinions on all sorts of Nintendo related issues. Some will be positive, some will be negative. All must be welcome.
@BladedKnight
I wouldn't
Crossing my fingers that Smash Ultimate finally gives the series a playable online mode. Getting to play Smash with my brother across the country would justify the subscription price on its own. (Heaven knows Super Mario Party's online mode doesn't.)
Improve the online play, improve the cloud saves, add more variety than NES games (SNES and N64 would be a good start), and don't drip-feed said games. That should help the appeal somewhat.
You want great numbers? SNES/N64/WII/GCN games....
In other news, I don't care.
@3rdParty I'm going to reduce the arguements here because it will get crazy otherwise.
"Be careful not to reduce Microsoft's commercial issues this generation to the limited number of reactions to small online message board communities."
This is a gross misrepresentation of the situation. The bad press carried over to news sites and through word of mouth. It was that big of a deal that they replaced the head of xbox (twice) to change the image of the console. You don't do that sort of thing for small online communities.
"The ultimate driver of corporate decisions is dollars and cents, not message board posts."
I was using anecdotal evidence because we've been given very little evidence. There are two sets: 1) The "small" online voices, and 2) The above information. Which only says "good", and as others have pointed out, if this had been "great" or "fantastic", NIntendo would have said as much. The fact that it is only "good" only seems to add to the other set of evidence we do have. That is that people are not happy with the service and the bad press and word of mouth, along with people trying the service, is not leaving people impressed. This will in turn affect the long term sustainability of the service unless it is addressed, just like MS did.
I will not subscribe to the service. You get better support for classic games on the system that BOMBED(WiiU, which I have, love and supported until they announced no metroid). I see no reason to subscribe to the service, not worth the money. Personally I don't like having a subscription service for classic console anyway. At least on my WiiU I'm able to KEEP what I paid for in the VC. No SNES, N64, GameCube coming.....no subscription from me. That simple. Nintendo you blew it, it's not worth the money....even the rate they are releasing NES games is a joke....By the time the system is discontinued it will still have a weak library at this rate. Kinda pissed about it really. What are you doing with the money ninty?
@Mykillvee Agreed about the controllers in the respect that YES, they are awesome...but when you only get a small amount of games that takes forever to get any kind of library how is it worth it? it's a joke....."You're blowin' it man!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y4cp9ODLj8
what a dumb idea. Its hard to find any players when playing my favourite games. bad move
Hopefully this means some new feature LIKE SNES GAMES AWWFJERIGAINVASNW GKERG
I see the “dedicated servers” comments a lot and wonder if people actually know what they’re talking about...
Probably most of them don’t even know that most PS, Xbox and even PC games are actually PtP too.
There are actually things that people can complain about Switch Online but PtP isn’t one of them.
I’m fine with the service because it’s cheap and allows me to play online which is the solely reason I subscribed in the first place.
The NES games are a nice addition and they will probably expand it to other systems sooner or later, but I don’t want them to give us free games like PS Plus because that’d make the service much more expensive.
I’ve subscribed to PS Plus for several years and, except for a couple of times, I didn’t cared about any of the games they offered for free because most of the time, by the time a game is made free, I’ve already bought it, and the rest of the time they’re games that I just don’t even bother to try.
So, no, I don’t want to pay three of four times what I’m paying now to get games I already have or don’t care about.
I’m not saying that Nintendo shouldn’t improve the service, because they should and there’s a lot that can be improved, but we’re getting a very competitive product for the price we’re paying.
Yay! This is great news that it's flopping hard. Keep it up guys. My purchases have dropped dramatically since I can't play online and hopefully I'm not the only one. Hopefully people are getting fed up with dirty paywalls and this is the turning point. The price you pay for a game is more than enough to cover the cost of online play, especially P2P. If the playerbase continues to be divided with only the die hards paying up and the majority not only refusing to sub but also walking away from buying online games they would have otherwise bought then there might be a U-turn. This online service has already lost them nearly £200 in sales on games I would have bought before the paywall. That means a lot people need to join up to make the money back on lost sales for me alone. Hopefully I'm not the only one
I stand by my original sentiment that the online should have stayed as part of the cost of the games and the sub should have been a choice that offers a wide selection of virtual console games. We could still have this if we stand our ground.
Nintendo's reaction in internal meetings after seeing the numbers lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY
Improvement is always welcome!
All I’ve used it for so far is for playing Solomon’s Key, which I forgot to add to my NES Mini.
Here's a way to boost its appeal: make it for free!
Nintendo really shot themselves in the foot with NSO. The player base in Splatoon 2 for example shrunk noticeably after the introduction of NSO. It's hurting Nintendo's online games while having no negative effect on games like Fortnite (if anything, Fortnite benefited from it).
Playing online should just be for free, period. They could call that the free plan and add a paid plan that includes all those retro games.
I haven't subscribed yet and I don't see a reason to, either. I have a NES mini with about 70 extra games on it. I play couch co-op with a few friends and my son. The online play feature of games isn't a big draw. I only miss Splatoon 2. We'll see when Smash comes....perhaps I get caught up in the hype and take the dive then. For now, I'm ok. Sorry Nintendo.
Haven't subscribed, the only reason I might is Smash... after that year though, probably won't touch the service again for the life of the system.
I had a feeling they were going to talk about expansion. It sounds like the transition to the new executive team is pretty much completed. Let’s sit back and see how Furukama leads the ship.
@3rdParty
This reminds me of a recent interview I heard with an ex Blizzard employee saying that not once did fans guess/speculate correctly regarding behind the scenes on World of Warcraft.
Idea: add more systems than NES.
He basically just said Club Nintendo is coming back.
Add monthly mailings of free Nintendo swag like figures and whatnot and I'm in. If it ever goes up to $50 a month forget it.
Really I don't get it, what does this get you other than the ability to play some crappy limited-time NES games?
You can't charge people for the ability to play things online, that's absurd. Not that I have any idea why you'd need to play anything online really in the first place.
ReviewTechUSA said it best: Nobody is buying it because it's garbage. 3 NES games a month isn't nearly enough to entice people, and the fact that cloud saves are so damn limiting and a joke. And for god's sakes, get some dedicated servers for your online games, Nintendo! Because without those two things? You're hurting the Switch.
$60 for those overpriced rechargeable NES controllers that didn’t work with anything except their NES games was bad. Nintendo shouldn’t be trying to entice people with hardware— entice us with some SNES or N64 games and better online or some curated free indies every month
It's still not worth it to me. There aren't any Switch games I really play online and NES games are not as incentivising as modern titles like you get on competitor platforms. Smash Bros might convince me to do a month or so but previous Smash games online performance has been atrocious.
That said, I don't believe in paying for the ability to play online. This goes for Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft.
The service is a joke, but annyway I Need it for my only gaming,l.
Whould love too see more games, and better cloud servers.
“ We need to further enhance the content of the service... with the understanding that the time it will take to do so will be measured in years.” This is rather concerning. Perhaps we’ll get some SNES games in a few years.
Have not subbed yet, and honestly I don’t see that changing soon. A million people have already said this, but maybe it takes a million and one before Nintendo realizes that this smartphone voice chat app creates problems that were already solved... and yeah, NESflix is a downright pitiful replacement for VC.
If they were using their noggins, they would have utilized the unified purchase history we got with the NNID Link to allow Switch access to previous retro purchases. I bet there’s a lot of people still burned by having to rebuy VC titles that would have completely forgiven Nintendo if they went that route instead of giving us a slow trickle of NES games.
I sure as hell would have loved to just have access to Earthbound on my Switch because I purchased it on 3DS, and before someone loads up the doubt machine, consider that people buying PS1 classics on PS3 or PSP were easily able to play those same classics on PS Vita without hassles.
Nintendo Switch actually would benefit greatly by imping the party system of the Vita. You can connect a BT headset regardless of whether you’re on the handheld or TV, and party chat/messaging is handled NATIVELY on the device.
@3rdParty
"I am amazed by how much these message boards wildly overestimate their knowledge and influence. Some of these same boards thought that the Wii would flop, the N64/GameCube were commercial successes for Nintendo, the Switch would be an x86 console, the Switch would flop (especially after its mixed reception during the January 2017 reveal), casual games on the Switch would flop, Nintendo would go third-party after the Wii U flopped — I could go on for days. Until message board posters as a whole can admit that they don't know nearly as much about the video game industry as they think they do, then they will continue to be disappointed."
I've seen so many hot takes over the years that have been way off the mark. I'd be curious to see how long Nintendo would last if they followed the advice of these people. I also love how everything is said with absolute authority as well.
@gortsi did a great Wall of Shame a little while back just for the Switch.
"If we're being honest, I think most of the negativity regarding Nintendo Online is based in the usual craving for SNES, N64, and GameCube games on the Switch: games that many of these posters already have on multiple platforms, including the original consoles."
Yep to this. "I already own this game on 5 consoles! Why are you making me buy it again Nintendo!!??!?!?!" Nobody's forcing anyone to do anything. Gamers are an odd bunch.
I'm just amazed they have found a spare moment to even think about adding anything to nintendo online. They must be so busy pushing out 3 NES games a month and improving the stability of the system constantly.
I genuinely wonder what half their staff do with their time. Nintendo online would have been **** if it was released when the console was launched let alone after having 18 months to work on it.
I'm very pleased the service is not working out for them just yet, as it shows there are not as many blind followers as I had suspected. Nintendo will never improve their online nonsense if people already pay for it when it doesn't offer anything of value. How could you expect anything else when they've actually made the Switch online 'service' much worse compared to the Wii U's, the 3DS's and even the Wii's and DS's, all of which were entirely free of charge?
@WiltonRoots “Why are you making me buy it again Nintendo!!??!?!?!" Nobody's forcing anyone to do anything.”
Let's compare it to buying something on the PlayStation store: when I buy a game on the PS3 store, I get the PS4 and the PS Vita versions for free (if they exist, of course), allowing me to play on whichever console I'm sitting in front of at that moment. Several games even provide a cross-save function, allowing me to play on the PS3, then continue right where I left off on the Vita, then continue on the PS4, then continue again on the Vita through remote play.
Indeed, Nintendo does not force anyone to buy the same game over and over again. Instead, they simply don't give their customers any other way to play the same game on the system they've got plugged in at that point. Not everyone has a massive games room with all consoles hooked up at the same time.
@OctoInk20 Enough is enough. We get it, you don't like the way Nintendo is right now. And please, watch your language.
Luigi's face in that image at the top of the article: "Communication error AGAIN??" 😂
I've pretty much only been playing single player games. I won't buy into the service out of principle. Smash Bros online has always been laggy and subpar, so I might even skip out on getting it for that.
@zever Same here. I hope they at least add more games from their other platforms, rather than just the NES. Only time will tell, though
@WiltonRoots Your comment already has -3 votes. I`m guessing the trolls will have a blast as well lol.
Dedicated Servers: Xbox One and PS4 still do P2P mostly, and having dedicated servers is a pain to Nintendo to implement and maintain for every online multiplayer game, and is a pain for end users due to lag, and how servers can dump everybody when a single user drops out. What happens when there’s high server traffic? or a DDOS attack like the one in 2014?
System level voice chat: look at yourself in the mirror wearing a headset, look at the guy manning the drive thru or cash register of your favorite fast food resteraunt, look at those few people wearing mic-enabled headsets walking about, look up how much that headset costs, and understand NOT everybody wants to spend close to, or over $100/€100 on a headset, or owns a headset. Another thing; someone being disgustingly vulgar in something like Smash Ultimate? you can just mute them, but do you want to interupt your gameplay experience by going through submenus on your system while playing? Or just mute them at the touch of their icon on the spot at half the time and effort?
Virtual Console: look up the prices for the games on each platform; organize how many games you have on each platform, factor in the Wii to Wii U upgrade, and see how much money you wasted within the course of 10 years, and compare that to the 12-month membership fee of Nintendo Switch Online.
Online Achievement/Trophy systems: Do we really need them outside of Bragging to and Ragging others?
System Message Boards: Miiverse was a thing, and PSN and XBL’s sevices were full of those man babies/reckless kids being totally immoral, sexist, sadistic, gross, and being... too mean for their own good. Arlo did a video on Miiverse not being on Switch, and look up Extra Credit’s video on Harassment while your at it, to see what I mean.
Internet Browser: Switch is a gaming system, not a tablet, or something to be exploited like Wii U, we have these things on our smartphones, and devices that call themselves “tablets”.
EVERY game using Save Data Cloud back up: Do that and what’s the point of catching Pokémon next year where you can just buy a Legendary, rare OP pocket monster from someone who uses both online trading, and exploits save data by backing up again and again? It’s wasn’t Nintendo’s execs that made the decision; it was The Pokémon Company’s decision.
People demanding all of this: They are like a kid who dosen’t get what he/she wants and is violent about it because she/he did not specified what he/she wanted exactly and not talking it over with her/his (grand)parents/guardian/relatives. Fans could of reached out to a rep or something to express what they wanted ‘exactly’ out of this whole service and get an idea what Nintendo as a whole thinks about it while understanding and getting a reasonable expectation. In other words; share your requests with a Nintendo rep via email and see what the company thinks and why. If your going to write a review about the app, don’t treat it like an extension of a comment on YouTube!
My expectation: The introduction of Super Nintendo Entertainment System: Nintendo Switch Online and Game Boy: Nintendo Switch Online sometime in the next year, overall tweaking, refinement, and improvement of the system’s online Peer to Peer abilities, and continue to improve the concept of using the phone app and making the point WHY it’s better than the old fashioned way, and even allow people to link their Discord accounts.
Only Nintendo would say "we'll improve the online service by introducing more physical benefits." Also I find the NES games mostly unplayable because of where the have the B and A buttons perma mapped - need Y and B instead of B and A. An actual issue for anything you gotta roll your thumb on like Mario 3 or Ghosts n Goblins. But rly dont even want that stupid thing just dedicatrd servers for Splatoon and Smash.
@MattFox sweeet!
Bought it as soon as it came out. Wish they could have done more, but I think the NES stuff is underrated. I still want a virtural console, but for those who couldn't get a NES classic, I think its great. Online could be a lot better, but not disappointed in a Netflix-style streaming service for £18 a year.
@3rdParty “— for me, the lack of Bluetooth and remote power-off on the Switch are inane ”
When you say remote power off, do you mean sleep mode? Or do you mean full power off? If you hold down the Home button you can select sleep mode
@ThomasS, while true; the lack of patience and tolerence from critics has left a bitter taste for me, and has given me the impression that gamers today had begun to signifigantly loose patience and started to become more salty, rather than taking their expectations with a grain of salt, or brick of salt lick in that matter.
@3rdParty Backwards compatibility has nothing to do with what I was talking about. You're also wrong, as the fat PS3s were hardware compatible with PS2 games, the PSP was compatible with more or less the entire PS1 library, and the PS Vita was hardware compatible with the PSP (and thus also the PS1). The PS4 is the first one that isn't backwards compatible with any previous physical games. Again, though, I wasn't talking about backwards compatibility, because it's unreasonable to expect a new console to read all of the previous console's physical games (you don't see me complaining about the lack of a disc drive in the back of the Switch for Wii/U compatibility, or a card slot for 3/DS). I don't expect Nintendo to put a Famicom cartridge slot in every console they make, but what I do think is reasonable to expect is that once I buy the digital version of a game from them, I can play it on every console of theirs that has this game available for sale. I don't care whether some consoles have a better or a worse emulator to run those games on than others, or whether on some there are additional features like save states and others just play the ROM from start to finish. I am not talking about getting the Ultra HD remaster for free if I bought the original game twenty years before.
Either way, "just hook up your old console" isn't a good argument for several reasons. I might not have that old console anymore, it might be broken, it might be somewhere else, and so on. In addition to that, "just hooking up" old consoles to HD tv's is not as easy as you make it sound. Many tv models no longer even provide the correct ports (ironically, it seems that the more expensive a tv is, the less ports it has), and even so the resulting image is unlikely to look good, with blurry upscaling, 50/60Hz issues, borked alignment, ... Finally, it's all just a hassle to dust off and hook up an old console to play it for a couple of days and put it away again, when you could play a nearly perfectly emulated copy of the game on your modern console that's already hooked up and has no problems with HD tv's.
I'd appreciate some less aggressively monetized versions of their mobile games.
But they're likely not designed well enough for that in the first place.
And who am I kidding, I'd most likely not pay for this type of subscription nomatter what they offered.
@c2017nlifemedia
Whoah. Dude.
Only the very first SKUs for the PS3 were hardware compatible with PS2 games. They quickly removed the EE chip to save money.
And neither PSP nor VITA is compatible with ANY previous games. Every older game for them is modified or emulated, and distributed digitally.
PS4 is absolutely not the first of Sony's to not feature BC for physical games.
@Pod I probably wrote it in a confusing way, but I didn't mean to say that the PSP or the Vita is hardware compatible with the PS1, rather they use similar components and can 'emulate' (there's a better term on the tip of my tongue) with a very small compatibility layer, POPS and PSPEMU respectively.
I always thought all fat PS3s were compatible with the PS2 library, but apparently some are only through a software compatibility method, and in fact most of the fat models didn't even include any compatibility for PS2 games at all. Interesting, thanks for the correction!
@c2017nlifemedia
Sure man.
Thanks for elaborating.
Measured in years? So 2019 we get SNES... 2020 we get GBC... 2021 we get N64... 2022 we get GBA... Ugghhh...
@3rdParty The concept is the same, even if the scale is different. Bad press affects sales.
The only people immune to this are those who will buy anything Nintendo, and those that value online play too much to not pay. The only issue there is that those that value online play do have a set standard. Even if this is a different console, the values are the same because the online community has been exposed to features on other platforms. A lot of gamers of the PC/PS4/xbox have picked up the Switch for a many reasons, but if the online doesn't match, or continue to improve to match, the features present on the other platforms, then online gamers will continue to favour other systems over the Switch for most of their games.
This will affect the sales of online 3rd party games on the Switch. It will affect the populations of online 3rd party games on the Switch. Which will in turn affect the level of support Devs give the Switch on their online 3rd party titles. Which will affect the value of the Switch Online Service. Which will affect the number of subs the service have, and so on...
I think the fact that no one, other than the small online communities, are singing the praises of the service, this includes Nintendo themselves with "good", isn't how you sell a service. If there's no real sell to the service, then it won't sell.
The saddest part of all this is we said the service wouldn't sell under its current form. This announcement is confirming what we said. We are offering constructive feedback for ways Nintendo should proceed so that they can resolve the issues people are having with the service. But, with Nintendo staying the course, and their most ardent fans defending it, it's never going to get fixed and it will never get any better.
It's almost as if people are happy being ignorant.
They need to improve the service by either offering more games or give us 1 free game per month to keep forever.
@OctoInk20 Mind your language, and stop insulting other users.
I got the online service for the NES games, the online play is still mostly bad. No open voice chat (except for Fortnite?) and most games don’t allow matchmaking. But, I would have paid more than $20 into the virtual console over 12 months, so I’m good.
"We see the need to develop the service beyond being merely digital"
they feel the need to physically abuse their customers too, not just digitally
@3rdParty It's a bit silly that by making a somewhat positive remark on Sony compared to Nintendo, you already seem to believe that I'm somehow praising Sony to high heaven. All I was trying to say is that Nintendo constantly gets away with anti-consumer practices where other companies offer at least something, showing that Nintendo is anti-consumer on purpose. Why would they offer anything of value if their loyal fans will buy whatever they put in stores, regardless of quality or price? I think I've said it before, but there are very strong parallels between Apple and Nintendo. Luckily this news shows that there are not as many loyal useds as I, and certainly they, had expected.
It's 2018 and Nintendo's online service is still worse than something the ps2 and xbox had back in 2005.
I can't wait to play Smash online and enjoy the same laggy netcode but now I'm paying for the privilege.
@OctoInk20 Err.. I am a moderator. That's my job. When you signed up, you agreed with the Terms & Conditions. That includes the Community Rules; and profanity isn't allowed.
@carlos82 why would they do that when they could just resell the games separately for a bit load of money or simply remaster them for all the money
@cglh25 they'd get more subscribers and make more money that way, to be honest I'd buy GameCube games however they would come. The problem is this is Nintendo and they aren't doing either and even though we know the hardware has a working Wii emulator it'll be years before they bother to take advantage of it.
In this age of remasters I still find it staggering that Nintendo hasn't done a Mario 64 or Ocarina of Time remake on a home console, they are sitting on a potential gold mine with those 2
I agree that they could make a lot of money from OOT and Mario 64 remaster but in my opinion they haven’t aged the best (at least not OOT) however that is my opinion, I still think they are phenomenal games but people get too lost in all their nostalgia.
Show Comments
Leave A Comment
Hold on there, you need to login to post a comment...