
Nintendo by many metrics had a strong E3 showing, with Super Smash Bros. Ultimate and the new Pokémon games stealing the show. Even so, the company stock fell a considerable amount in the days after its showcase event, spurred on by a perceived lack of momentum on Nintendo’s part. After all, where was the Yoshi game that was shown off at last E3, or Metroid Prime 4, or the Animal Crossing that many wanted?
Tatsumi Kimishima addressed this in the latest financial results briefing, indicating that there’s still some big hitters coming later this year. Here’s what was said:
We have been putting forth our best effort to be ready to release information to consumers at the appropriate time. We are not yet at the point where we can announce our entire product lineup, including the products that will be released during the holiday season. We are aiming to sell 20 million units during this fiscal year, the second year since the launch of Nintendo Switch, and have released first-party titles like Nintendo Labo in April, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze in May and Mario Tennis Aces on June 22. And then for the holiday season, we are planning to release Super Mario Party on October 5, Pokémon: Let’s Go, Pikachu!/Let’s Go, Eevee! on November 16, and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on December 7. We plan to use this robust lineup, including popular titles that were already released prior to the last fiscal year, to maintain and increase the momentum we have with Nintendo Switch for the holiday season, which is the most significant period for sales. We will communicate more detailed information to consumers at a later date.
It sounds as though the company has more plans for that all important holiday season, so perhaps a late summer Nintendo Direct is on the cards.
What do you think? Were you satisfied with Nintendo’s E3? What more do you think could be coming this year? Share your thoughts in the comments below.
[source nintendo.co.jp]
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Praise be to the lords and masters at Nintendo.
Nintendo needs to stop trying to redefine E3. The market expects game announcements.
Nintendo are masters at using lots of words to say very little indeed. I tend not to jump on the rumour-train, so will wait until Nintendo actually have something to say, and then I shall listen intently
It sounds like they've got a lot ready to go for a strong year 3, but they're really putting a lot of pressure on the Lets Go games and Smash to carry them through year 2. Those are both heavy hitters, so I'm sure they'll do well enough.
@SethNintendo lol what? thats not how this works. they wouldnt just drop a new AC in the next 5 months just, ya know, totally casual and all. A remake makes more sense, definitely not a new game of any sort. Unless I'm wrong! which I hope I am!
I wonder if seeing the stocks drop has caused Nintendo to feel the need to show off more new game releases earlier. That and maybe the reactions to E3.
One a month with a couple of true all stars a year is all I’m asking.
June had Wolfenstein, Tennis, and Ys 8
July will have Octopath and Captain Toad
August will have Overcooked and Dark souls?
September has Valkyria 4 and maybe more but they didn’t even touch it.
Nintendo’s E3 was lame— not because they don’t have games but because they didn’t sell all the cool ones. I even love Pokémon and Smash and I was disappointed.
Cmon Nintendo, sell the good games you have — and surprise me. Maybe Yoshi and another WiiU port or two. Announce Animal Crossing and a date for Bayonetta
They have nothing. This is just damage control.
PR jargon at its finest. If Nintendo is truly committed to instilling consumer confidence, maybe they should hold a Direct finally detailing their first paid online service launching in a couple months. Splice in some game coverage, and their lackluster E3 showing is immediately mitigated for most people.
There are so many games coming out, but Nintendo literally did nothing to highlight them. I'm still excited for the line up but that is in no way thanks to E3
For me personally it's a really poor line up of games they have for 2018. The brilliant Mario Tennis Aces was the first 1st party game I've purchased this year and the next one will be Smash which I'm not even that big a fan of. Kirby, Octopath Traveller, Labo, Mario Party and Pokémon Let's Go and the 2 Wii U ports are of no interest to me. As a huge fan of most Nintendo games that's a very disappointing line up. I was sure they would have something for me and maybe they still will. What about August and September? Luckily for me there are plenty of other games that I am interested in and I also have a huge backlog to tackle.
I'll believe it when I see it... they'll probably announce more WII U ports and think somehow people will be happy with that...
To cut through all the PR bs he basically said:
"Nothing to see here, move along"
What wording in that statement made it seem like there are unannounced heavy hitters coming? Seems like reaching
Ok, I'll see when I believe it. Lol
@NintonicGamer That's what I've been thinking too. Perhaps they have a couple of back up games they can release but were waiting to see what the reaction to E3 was first.
We'll just have to wait. Anything else is just a mix of hope, wish and speculation. But I have to admit I am a hopeful guy....
The 2 big titles for me are Smash and Starlink- though I'm pretty nervous about the price and add-ons for Starlink. I'm honestly looking forward to Warframe more than I am any other title at the moment. If Fire Pro Wrestling World got ported to Switch, then that might be my most anticipated title.
So Reggie and Kimishima have both said: there's totally more stuff you guys a couple times each now.
Maybe you could set up a date for a direct to show off some games? Just a thought.
Waiting for 7 months in now "momentum" 🙃
I care not for stocks. I care only of splatting Mario.
Had Fire Emblem, Metroid, and Animal Crossing came out this year, there’d be nothing next year. I really don’t get why people want all of these games to come out so soon. I for one would like these to be spaced out more.
How about we all stop being a bunch of impatient babies and be glad Nintendo’s making stuff period??
(Sorry that was rude. I had a point to make.)
@Rika_Yoshitake to be fair, Nintendo has released and is releasing A LOT of new games. Just look at how many non-ports have come out from last year until next year. I wouldn't be surprised of new ports because Nintendo clearly put in a lot of work into new games. Don't get me wrong, of course I want to see new games that haven't been announced yet, but considering how much they've done and are doing you need to remember Nintendo sadly neither has unlimited workers nor unlimited money to make one huge game that's released every month. It just isn't possible, which is why I hope they put more effort into Third parties working for them (hopefully Square Enix, Platinum games, Atlus, Sega and Capcom try to put out some stuff).
I was disappointed by their e3 showing simply because they focused so much time on smash and Pokémon, but not on anything else. Showing more Super Mario Party could’ve gotten me excited in that. Since I have no interest in the Pokémon Let’s Go series, I felt like it was all resting on Smash. It didn’t help that the third party support wasn’t particularly great for Switch this e3 either. Bethesda and EA showed nothing for Switch. I think this year has been very strong for Switch. I’ve bought stuff nearly every month (Jan- Celeste, Feb- Bayonetta, March- Kirby, May- DKC Tropical Freeze, June- Hollow Knight, Pokemon Quest, Fortnite and Wolfenstein, and already have ordered Dark Souls and Okami for August) but i’d prefer knowing all the games they’re working on instead of just the ones in a tight little window.
I wonder what the definition of “appropriate time” is?
I wonder when NSMBU Deluxe and Metroid Prime Trilogy HD will be announced for the Switch....
Anyways, while people pretend the Switch doesn't have anymore games until Pokemon Let's Go/Smash Bros Ultimate, I'll be picking up Octopath Traveler and Captain Toad in a few days.
It is actually amazing how much they've been pushing out. Even if certain games have fallen short like Mario Tennis, there are the incoming ports, games like Smash, and what's to come that we may not even know about.
And that is assuming no one is backtracking to pick up any first party games that came out last year!
1. Budget range @£25/pop
2. GameCube releases
@Alpha008
The next Nintendo Direct.
Hopefully Pikmin 4 can slip into the holiday release schedule!
Damn no matter what people just love to complain just to complain.
Nintendo is gonna show off more games just be patient.
We've also had a ton of good game releases the past couple of months. I'm pretty sure not everyone has a huge amount of money to spend wily nily the next couple of months.
What more do you guys want?
Switch has plenty of smaller and Nindie games. I'm literally drowning in them. But none of them really stand out to me and none are that great so far tbh. I was discussing GotY contenders with friends two days ago and all I came up with was Octo Expansion. Doesn't mean there weren't many games releasing on Switch but none have had the lasting impact or quality Octo Expansion had imho.
I think a major mistake for em was to focus so damn much on Smash. If you look at how many games they showed off in that compilation, they could've easily showed off more of each of them and been like 'Look at DBFZ! Look at Ark Survival Evolved! Look at Octopath! Look at Valkyria Chronicles 4!' but nah. Let's brush em off like they were nothing but go into every tiny little Detail how each and every fighter in Smash changed!
'But it isn't what -I- wanted!' - This comments section.
Imagine if Animal Crossing Switch announced on November 2018 from sudden Nintendo Direct, the game will be released on December 2018.
@Alpha008 My guess is that they'll have a Direct end July - begin August but that would most likely be focused on online services or one specific games. Still i think we can't really complain. Gone are the days of Wii U where we literally had to wait months for even a mediocre game. Games are constantly being released (at least on e-shop) and most are decent to good (although there has been an influx of garbage games . Yes we are getting a lot of ports but as long as they are port of good games, I don't really mind.
Id be happy with a few ports/remasters. Zelda windwaker / metroid prime trilogy / mario maker / to name a few
@westman98 Definitely stoked for Octopath.
I've been hoping Nintendo would put out Last Story HD for the Switch since I've yet to play it...
I dunno about NSMBU, but I'm expecting 3D World DX, since it's such a great multiplayer game and it could sell more than 6 million units on the Switch.
@roboshort
I've heard that NSMBU was being ported to the Switch back in January, and I'm sticking with that.
I do hope 3D World is ported as well. That game would work amazingly well as a local multiplayer experience on the Switch.
Im pretty confident Pokémon let's go is going to be a system seller for them. There are alot of untapped parents wallets.
Having said that , I would like to see a Zelda Hd collection of the old titles at some point.
Also , how do you get Pikachu on a bus?
You poke him on
I was pretty confident we’d see 1080 or wave race this year. Oh well
This is PR talk...
I don't think Nintendo has any " major real games" to announce.
They are talking like "we have other thingssss to show" "when the momentttt will comeeee" etc...
Everything is unclear as usual, even when they say "THIS YEAR" what year Nintendo ? Fiscal year meaning 2019?
What they dont simply say : 2018 !
I really hope they're gonna change and behave with more humility because now it's like " We don't care because we don't have to do anything special. The Switch is selling like cupcakes !"
I note that Nintendo talks ONLY after the shares drop. Basically, we care only about money not about to offer a nice year of gaming to our players...
I personally ended 2017 with xeno2 and only now in July 2018 I'm gonna play on my Switch with a Non-Nintendo game BTW o_O.
This is insane... 7 months of "NOT touching my Switch".
@westman98
"I've heard that NSMBU was being ported to the Switch back in January, and I'm sticking with that.
I do hope 3D World is ported as well. That game would work amazingly well as a local multiplayer experience on the Switch."
EH ?!
Is that a Rumour ?
@ktej75 You are correct, we shouldn't complain but unfortunately this is a message board and complaining is what happens. There are currently 820 games on the EU e-shop and this figure will be getting close to 1000 in the coming months. If people can't find even 25 games on there to tide them over until Nintendo announce a new game then there is something wrong. One first party game a month is a lot to ask for and if people expect that, then they will be disappointed.
@westman98 Metroid Prime Trilogy HD is definitely the less believable rumour. Even without rumours, I figured NSMBU would be a very likely port candidate if Mario Maker in any form wasn't announced at E3 (Mario Maker kind of defeats the point of a normal 2D Mario game).
@westman98
I’m still convinced we’ll see NSMBU DX before the end of the year. 2D Mario seems a glaring omission from the current line up. And it sells. And it would fit in nicely with everything else.
Honestly find the whole thing bizarre. If you haven’t at least shown your line up by E3 it means they won’t be out by Christmas is the usual way it is done and I completely believe that Nintendo had shown their line up. This does reek of a panic reaction to people’s concerns and complaints to me and by people I mean share holders. If they do get other games out that weren’t shown at E3 they must have already been done with Nintendo sitting on them to pad out releases or they will be rushed(which I don’t want as who wants a rushed and potentially bad game). Will probably be some Wii u ports or possibly a few higher profile third party ports. Either way it is very strange.
It was alright. Not great ,but just alright. It's just during e3 you need to show some surprises ,and we got 1 first party game that we had not heard about. Also while killer queen black was alright it was an terrible way to end with it.
@EvrgrnCmln
“But it isn't what -I- wanted!' - This comments section.”
Pretty much sums it up. I’m in that position, I haven’t bothered with Kirby or Mario Tennis and am not a big fan of Mario Party, Smash or Pokemon. That’s my bad luck though, in terms of selling the system it’s a very strong line up. Plus, unusually for a Nintendo system, I’ve got loads of third party games to play. We ain’t in Wii U territory anymore.
@Nunya
More like a great start and ending. As from July until oktober we get nothing.
@westman98 Oh. Okay. Did you hear that online? NSMBU makes sense to port as well.. Though maybe I'm not that excited about it.
They should probably just port every single WiiU first party game except for Mario Maker, which they should just make a sequel to or any game that relies too much on the gamepad (which might hurt W101s chances).
Pretty much immediately after E3 Nintendo starting saying things like this. I would think there will be a late summer, early fall Direct (Sept/Oct) with a few surprises and few games launching within a month or two of the direct: a la Doom, Skyrim, and LA Noire last year.
@electrolite77 your post pretty much sums it up. I also have zero interest in those titles but saw it as my own personal bad luck and figured the line up was actually pretty good. Was totally fine with it as also have more than enough to work through.
Aside from the Online launch, Nintendo themselves have nothing noteworthy coming out in August / September. Until now they’ve mostly kept a steady stream of 1 key launch a month.
Seems unlikely at this late stage that something huge is going to happen for August, so I’m seriously hoping they have something surprising for the Online launch. Whilst the service itself is reasonable, going from “free online” to “paid online with a dozen NES games” doesn’t sound overly convincing unless there’s awesome new game to show it off. Spla2n, Arms, Mario Kart/Tennis or Smash would have been ideal, but that wasn’t their plan...
So they have some stuff that’s not ready to be announced and won’t be announced till it’s ready, which let’s be honest is a worry at this stage in the year. Then it reads to me like they are completely happy with what’s already been announced and what has already been released to continue to push the consoles sales. Or did I read it wrong?
@roboshort
I don't know anything about NSMBU DX other than that it exists.
@electrolite77
Yeah, I'd be surprised if NSMBU DX wasn't released this year. It would be a September/October game to complement Super Mario Party and Pokemon Let's Go.
An interactive cardboard toy in April, a port of a Wii U game in May, a tennis game on June 22, a party game on October 5, a casual Pokémon spin-off on November 16 and a new Smash on December 7 is not really a robust lineup, in my opinion.
@JTMnM totally agree, it's launching in two months and we only know the price, that they'll be nes games and cloud saves... may be it's time for that direct nintendo
Nintys E3 this year was atrocious, smash was good but went on for hours lol and nothing else was 'wow' ... Nothing coming at all for me this year part from smash and starlink ... These game droughts need to stop! New AAA game every 2 months!!!
@G-Boy yeah it sucks lol
E3 was poorly balanced with too much time on Smash and not enough on everything else. But that said, there ARE a lot of cool games coming out on Switch in the coming months. I really think people are consistently over-reacting. Aside from the big Nintendo releases, there are a lot of interesting "smaller" titles coming out too. Things like Valkria Chronicles 4, Disgaea Refine(which I think got confirmed for a western port), Wargroove, Tales of... Vesperia(forgive me if I butchered that spelling) Octopath Traveller(which people seem to think isn't new despite not even launching yet) Captain Toad, Monster Hunter, Okami HD, Xenoblade 2 DLC, Dark Souls, DBZ Fighters, The World Ends with you, Travis Strikes again... just to sample a few.
"We are aiming to sell 20 million units during this fiscal year, the second year since the launch of Nintendo Switch, and have released first-party titles like Nintendo Labo in April, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze in May and Mario Tennis Aces on June 22."
The fact that a port is included in this statement tells me that at least one of the unannounced games might be another Wii U port. Not that I mind, at least if it's a game like Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE, which I never gave a fair chance, but I don't see why Nintendo couldn't reveal more at E3. Most people consider E3 to be the most appropriate time to show what games are coming out for that year.
Maybe there is hope that Nintendo will release a good game this year that is not a Wii U port that I have already played!
How about a late Nindies Direct?
Nintendo's 2018 E3 was alright. Not great for sure but not too bad either.
I have no interest in fighting games so Smash Bros isn't on my radar but I'm looking forward to the new Pokemon game and playing Starlink as Fox McCloud.
@NintyNate Yeah right on....after all it only takes 2 months to make big budget games! Wake up Nintendo!!!!!
@westman98
That’s the way I see it. Maybe we’ll get Diablo 3 in the next Direct in a similar fashion to last years Doom announcement.
@Mr_Pepperami
Exactly. I’ve got a real backlog. Recently picked up Wolf 2, the Octopath Expansion, Lumines, Hollow Knight and Crash (‘drought’-hahahahahahahaha!). Plan to get Okami, Valkyria Chronicles 4, FIFA, the DK Rabbids expansion, a fair few indies and possibly Starlink and Pokemon. Then on other systems there’s RDR2, Spider-Man and Forza Horizon 4. Cracking few months ahead. I’d love Nintendo’s 2018 release schedule to include new Pikmin, Advance Wars, and Wave Race but they don’t make games just for me.
I've got plenty to play until October rolls around with Mario Party. I can hardly keep up with my backlog now. Can't wait to see what else they have in store for the holidays!
Looking forward to that Aug/Sep Direct!
I wonder, are things like Labo, Mario tennis and Kirby really selling well? I'm in the same boat as others here in that I have zero interest in these games so 2018 has been pretty weak for me. (I also won't buy wii u ports that I can easily play again on my wii u if I want to.)
I can't really complain though because I still have games to play. (hollow knight, donkey Kong Rabbids dlc, and I'm looking forward to MH generations u. I might get Dark Souls.) but yeah, Last year was amazing. This year not so much.
Kind of amazing how easily you can turn a vague interview answer into a clickbait article and another round of portbegging in the comments section.
I really am not interested in Let's Go, I am interested to see if it will sell well because it's such a different game from the normal pokemon games. Only thing I'm interested in during holiday season is Smash. I do feel they are really missing at least 1 more holiday title to round out the last 4 months of the year.
I don't believe we'll get another "big" unannounced game this holiday season. If anything, we'll get the Yoshi game and it'll be a port of the Wii U and 3DS version but with slightly upgraded graphics and maybe new amiibo skins. But for those who missed out on the original games, this will be a great buy because the game on the Wii U was very good.
@Geeks4Life They don't need to do any damage control though... Sure, there was too much focus on SSBU during the direct which could've been better spent on third party titles etc, but... Nintendo has a stellar AA/AAA lineup for the second half of 2018 already. More on the way just means it's getting even better!
@raviadso don't overlook MonHun for August! (So that's Dark Souls AND MonHun in the same month!)
@Blizzia You can think whatever you like. But Super Mario Party, A glorified Pokémon Go spinoff and Smash ISN'T a great lineup for the rest of this year. And 3rd parties still aren't taking the switch seriously. If Nintendo has "something" up their sleeves it's going to be another port or some lame mini game collection. For me 2018 so far has been a very boring year to be a Switch owner and well good for you if you feel differently. Personally I would like to see some last gen ports of very great 3rd party games (Fallout, Batman, Darksiders etc.) But I really don't think that's going to happen.
As someone who isn't into Smash or Pokemon, I was really disappointed in they E3 presentation. Just wasn't really much for me there.
@westman98 I would love for the Metroid Prime Trilogy to be announced along with Wind Waker HD for Switch. I would definitely buy both of those.
Smash is good but does not sell Systems, the lack of info around online is really killing them and the lack of 3rd party games from decent developers are not helping.
Nintendo need to speak to Rockstar about getting both GTA and Red Dead ports on the Switch. GTA 5 is still a HUGE game thats release is needed on all major gaming platforms (we will defo see a mobile app one day)...
Red Dead 2 is around the corner and the hype around that has got a lot of people replaying the original, now is an ideal time for a Switch release.
Nintendo need to take their fingers out and start getting back to work because anything less than 80m Switches sold before year 5 is a failure after the disaster with the WiiU and the lowest selling handheld in the 3DS....
They neeeeeed the Switch to hit 80m sales and they wont get that fumbling around in the dark like they are.
@Razer
Smash Bros is absolutely a massive system seller, especially now that the game is on a platform that is very popular worldwide. I can't for the life of me believe why people think otherwise.
@westman98 because its a beat em up... nobody goes out and buys a system to play a beat em up game unless you play competitively... I love Smash and given it a stupid amount of time on the 3DS and GameCube but it certainly is not a system seller.
@westman98 i bont know a single person that went out to buy a Nintendo console to play any of the Smash games that have been released to date... i can't imagine what Nintendo could do any different to make people go out and purchase a Switch just to play Smash Bro's
@Razer
Yeah..anecdotes like that ("I personally know/dont know...") isn't much evidence at all.
@westman98 show me figures in which Smash bro's previous releases have boosted Nintendo consoles sales...
or in other words show me actual proof that Smash Bro's "sells consoles"... until you do i think your just making stuff up... and making stuff up is a lot further from actual evidence than anecdotal proof.
@westman98 in fact i will do one better for you... this might not be accurate as its from Wikia but as these sort of figures are not recorded anywhere we can go with what we got...
Tell me if you see Smash Bro's in there somewhere... then get back to me with the "smash bro's sells systems" rubbish...
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/System_sellers
@Razer
In the US alone, the Wii sold 700,000+ units in March 2008 when Brawl launched. Brawl sold 2.7 million in its first month in the US and held the record as Nintendo's fastest-selling exclusive until the release of Pokemon Sun/Moon nearly 9 years later.
Smash 3DS and Wii U also boosted 3DS and Wii U sales, though the impact was less pronounced as neither of those two systems were anywhere near as popular as the Wii (with the Wii U being an outright failure). NPD stopped publicly sharing numbers by then, so the exact numbers are unattainable.
Smash Ultimate will be the first Smash Bros game that isn't a watered down version to be released on a platform that is popular worldwide. More importantly, said platform has seen very high engagement with Nintendo's first party software, as evidence by the fact that 3D Mario, Zelda, and even Kirby have broken sales records on the Switch.
@westman98 Anecdotal evidence such as this that comes with no actual proof to show any of these figures is just hyperbole... there is no actual proof that the game contributed to boosted console sales and there is no figures to back up what you are saying. You can say the game sold this much and that much all you want but until you show me actual proof that the game has contributed to selling more consoles then you are just playing a guessing game.
@Razer
Sorry, here's the source:
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_March_2008
What I just wrote is pretty far from anecdotal evidence i.e. "I personally know/don't know/see/don't see..."
Honestly, comparing the Switch to other Nintendo platforms is pretty disingenuous. Smash Bros became the system seller that it is with Brawl's massive launch, and since then, only one other Smash Bros game (Smash 3DS/Wii U) has been released, and it was on 2 platforms that weren't exactly that popular, with one being an outright failure.
But I do wonder how you define "system seller"? If Smash Bros isn't a system seller to you, then almost all other Nintendo franchises barring Pokemon and Mario Kart wouldn't be considered system sellers as well.
@cherryghost41
Metroid Prime Trilogy HD has been loosely rumored (though I'm nowhere near as certain on that as I am with NSMBU DX).
I personally doubt Wind Waker HD is getting ported, but I could be wrong.
@westman98 like i said, you can show me game sales figures all you want but until i see actual proof that the game contributed towards actual console sales then all this is, is guess work (i guess that because Smash bro's sells lots of copies, people will buy consoles to play the game)... that is not true and does not mean the game is a System seller...
I mean Twilight Princess is a "system Seller" a game worth buying a system for... but it doesn't exactly have the best sales on the Nintendo GameCube does it.
You seem to be confused about what constitutes as a system seller.
@westman98 here let me enlighten you a bit more.
Breath of the wild = System Seller and yet Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has sold more copies and that is a glorified port....
@Razer
Twilight Princess was a system seller for the Wii, not the GCN. Likewise, Breath of the Wild was a system seller for the Switch, not the Wii U.
Mario Kart 8 DX was a system seller for the Switch, despite being an enhanced port, and it continues to be a system seller. It's legs are insane.
Smash Bros Ultimate will be a system seller as well.
A game that sells 10+ million (Zelda Breath of the Wild, Mario Kart 8 DX, Smash Bros Ultimate) will boost the sales of a console no matter what.
Please be Animal Crossing!!!
@westman98 okay? telling me what system twilight princess and BOTW sold system for is just a bit pointless? i knew that already.
Mario Kart is defo no a System seller no matter how much you want it to be and Smash bro's will not be a system seller either.
Until you show me actual proof that both sells consoles and not just high sales figures... all you are doing is guessing... playing "guess what" is fun but im too old for all that nonsense
@Razer
Mario Kart and Smash Bros are the biggest racing and fighting game franchises respectively, with sales in the 10s of millions. The numbers speak for themselves.
If those two franchises don't constitute as system sellers (even when I present to you evidence that Smash Bros sells systems), then almost nothing is a system seller, and we should all be wondering why the Switch isn't an dismal failure right now.
So then I ask, what Nintendo games "sell systems"? Just Pokemon then, I guess? Makes me wonder how some of you think Nintendo is still in the hardware business if franchises like Mario Kart/Smash Bros aren't considered "system sellers."
@Razer
“you can show me game sales figures all you want but until i see actual proof that the game contributed towards actual console sales then all this is, is guess work ”
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Mario Kart is defo no a System seller no matter how much you want it to be and Smash bro's will not be a system seller either.”
Are you on a windup? Is this a really clever joke I don’t get?
@electrolite77
I love just how often the "Just because the game sells a lot doesn't make it a system seller" fallacy is used.
I also love how he ignores the actual evidence of Smash selling systems just to continued spewing said fallacy. "Mario Kart is def no System seller" was the icing on top.
@WiltonRoots you know what I mean! They should be working on loads! ...
@Geeks4Life,
Who knows fella.
Quality buffoonery in the comments as usual.
I suspect the top notch system sellers will be Zelda, Mario, Donkey Kong, Mario Kart, Pokémon, and obviously Smash Bros., as they've always been. These are the usual suspects selling millions. Oh, and Splatoon is the newest star in the cycle.
And from what I've heard there's an evergrowing group of hardcore Xenoblade fans that buy a Switch just for that one game. Even though all games in the series are huge epics, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 was the first one to hit a million sales with relative ease.
@NintyNate Yep I mean sure they could probably bang out their big titles every two months, whether they're finished or not, have all the bugs ironed out, need endless patches etc might end up being a massive problem.
Do you have any particular titles in mind that should be filling out the calendar?
@kingofthesofa I love it. Some real sheltered human beings.
IMO, I think the game line up for this year is fine, and the second half of this year is actually pretty good:
Octopath Traveler
Shining Resonance Refrain
Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate
Labyrinth of Refrain: Coven of Dusk
Snk Heroines: Tag Team Frenzy
Disgaea 1 Complete
SNK 40th Anniversary Collection
Plus by year's end we get:
Pokemon Let's Go
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
The World Ends with You: Final Remix
These are just the games I'm planning on buying (all but Pokemon Let's Go). And there's plenty more coming out along the way.
One question that comes to mind when I see so many complaining about Nintendo is: Have they ever done it any differently?
Oh, and one more question: Has complaining about Nintendo become a new fad, or is there just ample angst/hate in the world to go around and now it's Nintendo's turn?
@JTMnM they are already planning to talk about more of their online soon.
@Cen
@Cen I agree with you. So much criticism on a system that is a year and not a half yet. They will put out more games, but people are not patient. They have to be critical because the games they wanted are not announced or released yet.
Battletoads versus Splatoon. I would buy that.
@electrolite77 are you for real?
Maybe a new Labo? Would fit well with the rapid "3 months after announcement" cycle we saw with the original.
@Cobalt "Kimishima Reveals That Nintendo Plans To Announce Full Switch Autumn Lineup At An Appropriate Time". Unless they're talking about Autumn of 2019? which i doubt
@boop22
PR talk from kimishima, he has to watch the stock market because it drops more and more... PR talk that's all...
They did that constantly with the Wii U at Nintendo...
My wallet is scared. I'm already canceling games that I don't have time to beat. Honestly Switch could pause on new game releases beyond what has already been announced for the year and I would still be behind and drowning in a wish list and backlog.
Dang, some folks need to just...chill out. Games take time to develop; sure Nintendo does have a lot of teams, but if you expect a big Nintendo game every month, you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Nintendo actually does a good job of filling up most of the year with big exclusives, you just can't expect Mario, Zelda, Metroid separated by a few months and certainly not these big names every year.
2017 was a pretty huge year for Nintendo because year 1 for any system is important and their onslaught of software in 2017 paid off in spades. Now, of course they need to keep the momentum, but they've been doing a decent job of that, more so during the second half of the year. Whether you like them or not, Pokemon Let's Go and Smash are AAA Nintendo titles as they come, coming out during the most important time of the year.
And while the big N's first party title may not be stellar this year, the 3rd party titles are allowed to shine, and there's actually been a lot of them. We got Ys VII, Lumines, Wolf2, Crash in a matter of DAYS and Shining Resonance just dropped. Then we're getting Captain Toad and Octopath in just a few days. So no matter how you slice it, we're getting games, a far cry(insert Far Cry 5 meme here) from the Wii U days.
I guess some folks will ever be satisfied. The complaints always change and so do the goalposts. "No 1st party games!" or " No 3rd party titles" or " Not enough Western games! " or " This big Nintendo game is releasing too close to so and so third party game/smaller Nintendo game! "
@Geeks4Life
I guess you missed the billions of times Nintendo repeatedly said: "This isn't our lineup for the rest of the year. More is coming."
Other than that, stop pretending like Nintendo games are all that matters.
2018 is by far the year where I have placed the most pre-orders/bought the most games so far, and while the first half WAS dry, the 2nd half is going to take a 3 week vacation to even remotely put a dent in. Sure, we don't have many first party titles scheduled until Nintendo reveals more, but as far as my year goes, this is what I'm going to buy / have bought as of E3 2018:
1. Hollow Knight
2. Crash Bandicoot N'Sane Trilogy (3 games)
3. de Blob (it's like a drug. Play it daily with my girlfriend)
4. Shining Resonance: Refrain
5. Octopath Traveler
6. Code of Princess EX
7. Titan Quest: Anniversary Edition
8. Dead Cells
9. Okami HD
10. Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate
11. Blade Strangers
12. Labyrinth of Refrain: Coven of Dusk
13. Dark Souls Remastered
14. Dragon Ball FighterZ
15. Valkyria Chronicles 4
16. Yomawari: Long Night Collection (2 games)
17. Song of Memories
18. My Hero: One's Justice
19. The World Ends With You: Final Remix
20. Pokémon Let's Go Eevee
21. Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Honorable mentions:
1. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 Torna DLC (not a game, but worth mentioning)
2. Splatoon 2: Octo Expansion (same as Torna DLC)
3. Valkyria Chronicles (already got this on like 3 platforms so at this point just buying it for on-the-go action and supporting the dev.)
4. SNK Heroines (Considering it, but so far it hasn't shown me enough to warrant a purchase. I want some more solid systems in place.)
5. Pearl & Marina Amiibos (I hate Amiibos and don't buy them normally but I had to have their gear in Splatoon 2. Looks amazing.)
EDIT: You complained about ports of great last-gen 3rd party titles. Valid point, but we're getting them. Just not the ones you want. Shining Resonance/Okami HD are pretty great (obviously Okami HD is in its own league, it's pure art - Literally!), and Dark Souls Remastered is also a last-gen 3rd party title.
So yeah, it sucks that your year is boring, but don't pretend there's nothing coming. My list is full of great titles that aren't indies or small-scale, you're just extremely picky and apparently only care for very few titles and/or genres. The second half is BOOMING with quality content, and we haven't even gotten it all announced yet? That's amazing!
sounds like they are making games, and releasing them eventually, whenever they want.
My Switch backlog is already too long, I actually welcome a lull.
@WiltonRoots Xbox and PlayStation have a new big game like every month or so lol... Still waiting for F-ZERO, Starfox, Zelda stuff, Mario stuff, crossovers, Metroid stuff, Bayo 3, Pokémon, pikmin, new ips, old franchise sequels, dead games brought back that were interesting etc
@Mr_Pepperami I feel like there is a possibility we have some things coming around the time the online service hits that would directly benefit from a cohesive online environment.
Not that it is going to happen but if they wanted to release GTA on the Switch it would benefit greatly from a cohesive online service. In light of something like that coming out, it might be better to wait until it is closer to announce it considering you never know if you will have to push back the online service.
Plus, at E3 they showed off both Smash and Pokemon, I mean, how much more heavy hitting do you get whether or not those games are your cup of tea. They probably figured they had enough with those two and they could dole out the excitement over time.
Who knows? We will see soon enough.
@NintyNate If you take a little look at my comment about the games I pre-ordered, you'll see the same for Switch. Sure not all of them are new, but there's more than just one big game per month You might be waiting for first party stuff, I'll give you that, but big/great games are being tossed at you left and right
@Blizzia You can think whatever you like dude! IDC. The fact is that the only game on this list that I want to play is Octopath Traveler. I'm not speaking for everybody just myself. I'm not pretending that Nintendo games are the only games that matter I'm actually trying to tell you that I think otherwise. The ports that I want isn't Nintendo games. We need or rather "I" need ports from 3rd parties because AAA games build from the ground up by western 3rd party developers are FAAAAAR, far away at this point because the switch can't handle multiplat games. AND YES, I bought DOOM and liked it and I did buy Wolfenstein, but the latter is simply to muddy to play in handheld mode. So please take your list elsewhere to try and make a point. Plus + yeah some games are coming but take a look at the stokeprices and tell me that nintendo didn't **** up big time. Oh what's that: you can't? That's what I thought.. 😂
@Geeks4Life You do care, otherwise you wouldn't have bothered replying
Anyway, stock prices rise and fall all the time, anything can spook stock brokers and you know it. It's gonna be low for a while, then after the next direct it'll rise, then it'll fall again a bit, then boom in spring it'll rise again coz direct, then it'll fall again and... Oh, yeah, you know. They got spooked because Nintendo focused too hard on SSBU. Happens Then again, why would I care about stock prices? I care about games coming to the Switch, and of those, there are MANY.
The fact that you only want to play Octopath Traveler is perhaps more a testament to your taste in games being a tad shallow Not that that is bad, but still, your lack of games to play is completely your problem, and has nothing to do with game droughts or anything.
And you keep saying we need ports. We're getting them. Doom. Wolfenstein. Okami. Shining Resonance. Heck, you mentioned Doom/Wolfen yourself even.
I wasn't really trying to make a point with my list, just showing you that I've got a ton of quality games pre-ordered, meaning there's no such thing as a lack of good games for the 2nd half of 2018.
Either way, lots of good games coming, and I'll be playing them. Try widening your horizon and getting into new genres. You might like it
@Blizzia yeah true but 3rd parties on switch are so watered down and cost too much, this why I got an Xbox the other day and I managed to get Wolfenstein 2 for £13, on Switch it's worse and costs £50!
@Blizzia Good for you. I'm glad you're happy with the rest of 2018 but I'm not. Those games you're mentioning are not Western aaa ports. If you actually read what I wrote you can tell that's what I commented on. Most of the games you're mentioning are not AAA and not from western developers therefore not what I want. Imo this Nintendo E3 is the worst I have ever seen and If you think differently cool, but the lineup for the rest of this year sucks and there is pretty much no games nintendo could announce that could save it for me. Final comment from me.
@Geeks4Life Oh so now not even AAA ports are good enough? They have to be WESTERN AAA ports by WESTERN companies in the WESTERNMOST PART OF THE WEST? xD Mate you're hilarious.
And it's even more hilarious that you said most of the games are not AAA, when in fact the majority of them are. 12 out of 21 mentioned games (outside honorable mentions) are AAA titles.
See, AAA (or Triple-A) refers to titles produced and/or distributed by mid-size or major publishers. This definition fits 12 out of 21 titles I mentioned.
By your definition, bamco/nintendo/capcom/sega/SE games are banned because these are not Western publishers. That leaves... 2 titles.
So you see, your criteria is so shallow that almost nothing qualifies, meaning you'd probably never be satisfied no matter what. Not even Nintendo games would satisfy you, they're not a Western AAA publisher, so they're automatically disqualified.
List included below with AAA signs and "W"s beside the two titles by "Western" publishers.
2. Crash Bandicoot N'Sane Trilogy (3 games) AAA W
4. Shining Resonance: Refrain AAA
5. Octopath Traveler AAA
9. Okami HD AAA
10. Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate AAA
12. Labyrinth of Refrain: Coven of Dusk AAA W
13. Dark Souls Remastered AAA
14. Dragon Ball FighterZ AAA
15. Valkyria Chronicles 4 AAA
18. My Hero: One's Justice AAA
20. Pokémon Let's Go Eevee AAA
21. Super Smash Bros Ultimate AAA
This witchhunt and your quest of being right and demeaning is laughable and petty. I just stated me personal opinion of how the switch is not enough for me atm. You are taking every little thing out of context. Btw the western aaa ports was mentioned 3 posts ago. If you can't handle it. Seek help. I wish you well.
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