Sledgehammer Games Has a Definitive Answer on Call of Duty: WWII for Nintendo Switch - "No"

No!? well we will soon have RAINWAY! So i'll play it on the switch anyway!

I like the answer,no suspense there,move on.

Never cared for the dude bro games that are CoD and Battlefield.

WiiU 2.0. Nice this £300 paper weight is til Splatoon 2 comes out.

And nothing of value was lost. Moving on.. Rain is wet.

I'm here for the obligatory "Well, we don't need third party support!" remark.

Was anyone really expecting anything else?

...but all I really want is just "Modern Warfare Remastered" for 40€ on Switch! Don't tell me that is impossible to pull off!

And here I thought they also said so stop asking. That would've been bad.

Shame, but I don't think anyone can say they're surprised. Ho hum, maybe next gen (he says, not getting his hopes up).

Massive blow. Now people will say they never wanted it anyway. They've already started. The Switch really is the Wii U in portable clothing. 3rd party support is no better, the games look like Wii U games(bar a jump from 720p to 1080p in some cases), in many respects the Switch is worse off than Wii U. So another €330 to keep playing 1st party and indie games, but no VC, no apps, no backwards compatibility, paying for online soon, a compromised controller, expensive accessories, worse online than Wii U. The list goes on. What if you couldn't care less about portability? I suppose you can always buy the Wii U games AGAIN on Switch.

Really? There's people asking for it?

aren't these games always pushing graphical fidelity? an animé cod might have a chance to run on it.

What is wrong with them? The console is selling like hot cakes! Those who actively don't want these games to come to Nintendo consoles doesn't care about Nintendo. Same old argument.

The games will come.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE I really never wanted it. I've to this day never played a cod game on any system. I'm just not interested.

@Captain_Gonru "Dark Souls", etc... put them on the Switch, all those games I love from previous gen and I will buy them for the sake of being able to play them all on the go.

Timesplitters 2 and 3 on GCN VC would do me.

From the standpoint of Activison, cant they just get another company to bespoke that game for the Switch? Call of Duty is a guaranteed money maker anyway, and the Switch has been commercially successful so I really don't see the liability in that.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE I think you are kind of over exaggerating a bit. I dont expect Switch to get every AAA third party game but I will appreciate what it is getting. FIFA and Skyrim look much better than what most people were expecting.

Also the online is relatively cheap I dont see how you can think 20 dollars a year is a rip off and the majority of the features you mentioned are coming

You know I kind of hate these sort of vague answers I wish they would elaborate more on why its not coming

No real surprise here. I always thought it was genuinely surprising how the Wii and Wii U continued to receive CoD ports. But they stopped bothering altogether with AW, BLOPSIII and IW, so here we are. Personally I'd be seriously surprised if we see the IW Engine supporting the Switch. Considering the lukewarm reception of BLOPS: Declassified, I think most of us will agree that this game probably doesn't fit the portable format all that well anyway, and as such it doesn't really come as a surprise.

As someone who doesn't like CoD and only plays FPS games on the PC, I'm not too bothered, though obviously it's yet another sign of weak 3rd party support on the system, and that's always bad.

@wolfgabe
I think this is probably the least vague answer ever.

COD? We have Splatoon! What I really want though are all the Metal Gears.

Can't wait for people to call the Switch the "Wii U 2.0" because of one game not coming to a developing, 4 month old console that needs to build up more features and proper base first to support proper sales to meet 3rd Party demands... Oh wait.

@faint I've played them and bought them all on Wii and Wii U. Despite the weaker specs, they did a great job on them. I probably won't miss this one as much because I'm not a fan of WW2 settings.

Yeah, well they can sod off, then.

Well, then I have a definitive middle finger for them...

Nintendo definitely needs to put in the effort from their side as well, but it IS a two-way street, so not putting games on a (for now) massively popular system really seems like a first class A*hole move.

If downgraded ports of their games could run on the Wii and Wii U (and Black Ops 2 was even superior to the Xbox 360/PS3 versions), then there's no reason whatsoever that they couldn't run on the Switch, so there are other motives at play here, not hardware related.

HAHA! You got me! Happy July Fool's Day!!

...huh? - What do you mean that "isn't a thing"..?! :/

Seems like a bad time to skip out on support for Nintendo, since the Switch is clearly succeeding, but oh well.

@MysteryCupofJoe Heck yeah, I'd re-buy Metal Gear Solid Legacy Collection and MGSV Definitive if they came out on Switch.

DUMB KID: Can I buy a Call of Duty: World War II for Switch? I got money?

SLEDGEHAMMER: No, it's not coming to your system dumb kid.

DUMB KID: Okay I guess I'll put this money towards Metroid Prime 4 instead then.

SLEDGEHAMMER: I guess we show him, no money in the world will ever force us to make a game for a Nintendo system. We'll just keep making excuses.

@Switch81tch @faint

I'm one of the minority here that doesn't own a second console so this is a blow to me (though perhaps unexpected). Dude bro shooters are in no way my favourite genre but I've always liked owning at least one on my Nintendo consoles as something different to waste some time on every now and again. The more diversity the console has the better in my opinion.

Sales wise, its an understandable omission perhaps, but it's one that I'll miss nevertheless. My hopes for a Doom or dark Souls port are pretty much non-existent at this point.

You guys have seriously overlooked a very important detail. The question was put to Sledgehammer Games, and as far as they are concerned, the game isn't coming to the Switch. Not from their studio anyway. It doesn't mean that another studio isn't porting it, which is still very likely to happen.

And here are the "we don't need third party" comments

That's fine by me. Stopped playing COD during Black Ops II. I didn't buy a Switch because I wanted to play more COD. I bought a Switch because Nintendo is putting out some fun, creative, and unique games like they did during my childhood. Just because the highest quality graphics 3rd party games aren't coming to Switch doesn't mean Nintendo is down and out. Their creative franchises will easily pull them through.

And another thing: what I REALLY despise is that they NEVER explain anything or give more details so we can somehow accept it a bit easier.

A simple no sounds way too much like "because" to me. Much like Square Enix with their "adult reasons" BS for having issues with Dragon Quest.

WHAT are those reasons, you morons? We don't want double speak, vague answers, or cut off replies. We are the ones buying your products, so we DESERVE answers.

Sometimes you'd wish that the Middle Ages were back so we could strap them to a nice, comfortable rack and literally pull the answers out of them...

There is absolutely no reason why any of these cross platform AAA games can't be ported to switch! Yes the machine is no match for the PS4 or Xbox1 but, it's a powerful machine and more than capable of running games like this, it does not have to try and match the other machines graphics wise, it's own version would be good enough. These 3rd party developers are Missing the point and a trick....

@Moms-Meowth I guess you have no interest in fate extella.

Why would they release this? No one buys Nintendo to play Call of Duty and I'm sure they'd like to stay in business.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Man.. "The games look like Wii U games". Almost all first party titles have improved visuals and a boost from 720p>1080p. What do you want them to do? Completely change the artstyles? Yeah, third party support sucks, but guess what? You don't buy Nintendo consoles for third party games. The Switch has an amazing first-party line-up, with games such as ARMS, Splatoon 2 and Super Mario Odyssey. And that's what a console is all about, good games. But hey, good luck playing Odyssey on your Wii U!

@MegaMari0 You're missing out.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE
Massive blow

Riiiight. Cause those 250k CoD sales on Wii U are now make or break for Switch. And suddenly people are "pretending they don't want it"

People don't have to pretend. Except for you pretending this makes a split of difference in your never ending quest to convince yourself it's ok you don't have a Switch.

It's not. And you are definitely missing out. Deal with it in a way which doesn't involve constantly pretending the system sucks.

@Mattyman
It's totally incapable of running the versions you'll see on PS4/XBONE/PC.

The figure in the publicity materials for the new CoD looks like Katy Perry in the closing shot of that military themed video she did some years ago. I just can't take it seriously.

@ThanosReXXX Well why don't you actually tell them?

@SLIGEACH_EIRE If Nintendo could keep up with demand, the Switch would outsell the WiiU before the end of the year already lol.
Come on now! Bit overreacting here.
That CoD or Battlefield were not coming to the Switch was pretty much a given, as history has consistently showed FPS shooters sell bad on Nintendo hardware.
Not to mention that these fast paced FPS shooters are very latency sensitive and make for poor portable experience.

We do get the very last Special edition of Skyrim (that launched on PS4, XBOne and PC) to the Switch, eventhough you naysayers said that wouldn't happen.

It's no surprise 3rd parties are waiting to see if sales keep up and it will, so they will jump onboard sooner than later.
They still managed to port plenty of games to the Wii back then, even though it had outdated hardware compared to XBOX360 and PS3.
If money is to be earned, they will make it happen!

The same people who don't care about third party games on Nintendo consoles are the first to complain when there are game droughts.
I want there to be third party games on my Nintendo consoles because I don't want to pay for a PS4 or an XBONE.

I continue to be amazed at eagerness of certain people to cry NINTENDOOM every time there is confirmation that a graphics-heavy AAA shooter - a game that not many people ever expected or even wanted on the Switch - is, indeed, not going to be ported to the Switch. This is exactly like when the CEO of Stardock confirmed that the studio had no plans to release Galactic Civilizations 3 on Switch. No surprise, no disappointment, just... shrug. It doesn't mean anything. The Switch will be just fine without CoD, I promise you.

No.

Fantastic answer.

@JaxonH It's a blow to Switch owners. But your attitude speaks volumes. 3rd parties listening to the likes of you will say there you go now, why bother?

I don't have to pretend anything. I don't need nor want the Switch right now. And that's the God honest truth. I don't think I'd never need another console in my lifetime as I've a backlog to last several of them.

@dizzy_boy I think it's more of a most Nintendo fans who don't have multiple consoles are not into cod kinda thing. The people in this thread saying it's no big deal will be complaining all over the place when kingdom hearts 3 skips the switch.

@Phin68 bad third party support

@Nintendoh Because that simply doesn't work. They'll just use their marketing lingo and ambiguous statements again, so no matter how much effort you put into trying to get complete answers, you're never really gonna get them, or maybe many years later down the line, when some of them will casually mention it in their memoirs...

"from rumours will revert to a potential port of another Call of Duty game, because this is the internet."

And, to be fair, because Call of Duty games have been on Wii and DS, jossing the hardware difference theories and stuff. DS actually had four or five! One has to wonder even why this subject evokes the "Wii U 2.0" jabs when Wii U ALSO had a CoD game. Unless the nintendoomsayers are really on autopilot by now.

I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt. Look, any game developer wants to make money out of their games. The reasons for them not doing it can only be:

The Switch can't compete with the PS4 and XboXOne graphically, so at the end the Switch version could be subpar.

COD games don't sell well on Nintendo's platform (I really doubt this).

We haven't receive any support from Nintendo in order to make it work.

We believe that they aren't enough Switches to warrant a port (I highly doubt this).

@SLIGEACH_EIRE if you don't care about portability but like the 1st and seconds party and exclusive 3rd party games Nintendo gets, you buy a switch and leave it docked. If you don't care about portability, but prefer games like cod and mass effect to games like rabbids+mario and xenoblade, you don't buy a switch and consider a ps4pro/x1x. If you like all kinds of games you buy a switch AND a pro/1x. It's not an either or proposition. There's tons of reasons to own both platforms with large libraries of different games. Even Shu Yoshida, the playstation head is encouraging buying a switch AND ps4. He no doubt had his switch(s) next to his 2 wiius.

Math says:

PS4 - 60m
X1 - 30m
Switch - 5m

They can simply make enough money NOT porting it to those tiny little cartridges.

Doesn't matter if Switch is the hottest selling console right now, it still hasn't sold nearly what the other 2 current gen systems have, and when companies started making games for 2017 they had no idea if Switch would be popular or another Wii U, and they still probably have no idea how many Switch Ntinedo will make by Christmas.

Does it suck Switch doesn't have every 3rd party game, sort of yeah, do I blame companies for not porting games to a low install base system when they probably didn't have dev kits in time? Certainly not.

Switch getting Skyrim and FIFA 18 - in whatever form - is enough for a console that launched in March 2017 to differentiate itself from Wii U. 3rd party will come, if Nintendo ever gets production rolling on Switch instead of focusing so much on Minis and New 2DS and 3DS games in general. Let's wait and see what 2018 brings before we start to panic. CoD is a loss, but not the end of the world.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE the irony is i wish all those games would come as much as you do but for the opposite reason. I DO care about portability, and despite owning a ps4, id be a lot more likely to buy these 3rd party games if they came to Switch. Id be more likely to play them.

Cool ok.

@Raayo You're gonna play a PC online fps using a controller over wifi? Prepare for disappointment on that, you're going to get slaughtered!

@nhSnork The Wii U actually had two COD games...

And the Wii even had 5, so I'm calling BS on whatever reason they might have, other than profit related ones. If the game can run on or be ported to Unreal Engine 4, then it will be quite possible to put it on the Switch.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE
One game that no one expected to come anyways (thanks to a consistent historical trend of lacking demand) is only a "major blow" to a minority of Switch owners who actually love the CoD series and actually expected it to come.

If every single game in existence that doesn't come to Switch was a "major blow" then the system would have been DoA. But the opposite is true- it continues to sell out as fast as they make them.

I would have bought this on Switch, to show support, but it's not a "major blow" if it doesn't come. Yesterday, there was no CoD confirmed for Switch. Today, there is no CoD confirmed for Switch. Today is no different than yesterday and every day before it. There's a number of games that I'd love to have portably, but will never come to Switch. It is what it is. There's also a number of Nintendo games PS4 owners would love to have, but never will.

We all knew this game wasn't coming, so somehow acting like this is some detrimental turn of events is disenginuous. Switch owners are/will be too preoccupied with Zelda BotW, and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, and Arms, and Splatoon 2, and Xenoblade 2, and Mario Kingdom Battle, and Fire Emblem Warriors, and Super Mario Odyssey, and Pokken Tournament, and the 3rd party games that actually appeal to them for this to be a "major blow".

@rjejr As far as your math is concerned: it's not as black and white as that. From a sales & marketing standpoint, I would more logically see it as a chance to sell a couple more million copies.

Obviously I would never select the Switch as the main platform, but it's not a matter of comparing numbers and then ruling some parties out. They can make their primary profit on the biggest selling system, and get additional profits from selling on additional platforms.

The investment to be able to do that doesn't have to break the bank either...

@JaxonH

"Switch owners are/will be too preoccupied with Zelda BotW[... etc.] and the 3rd party games that actually appeal to them for this to be a "blow"."

I'd have picked it up. I enjoyed having a CoD on previous Nintendo consoles.

"We all knew this game wasn't coming, so somehow acting like this is some detrimental turn of events is disenginuous."

I actually thought there was a chance, but maybe that's down to complete ignorance of the industry.

I think it's because the game was designed with the Xbox One as the lowest common denominator, and Switch is nowhere near Xbox One in terms of system power.

In order for third party support for Switch to really prosper, developers would need to make their game with the system in handheld mode as the lead platform, and then port up to Xbox One and PS4. Games like Ubisoft's Starlink and Bit Trip Runner 2 are already doing this, and Zelda was most likely tested more thoroughly in handheld mode.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Not again. Today, yesterday, tomorrow. Stop that whining. You are annoying.

@RyanSilberman I can't really speak for the games since I've never owned one of them. However, it does seem like a lot of people love the COD series considering how much they sell every year.

@JaxonH COD is one of the biggest 3rd party franchises. Say what you like but it is a blow. The Wii was underpowered, the Wii U was underpowered and both got at least 2 games each.

"We all knew this game wasn't coming (no we didn't), so somehow acting like this is some detrimental turn of events is disenginuous. Switch owners are will be too preoccupied with Zelda BotW(port and I'm finished), and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe(port), and Arms, and Splatoon 2(not out), and Xenoblade 2(not out), and Mario Kingdom Battle(not out), and Fire Emblem Warriors(not out), and Super Mario Odyssey(not out), and Pokken Tournament(port), and the 3rd party games(where are they?) that actually appeal to them for this to be a "blow"."

Is there a chance of me picking up any call of duty games?
No.

@LaVelle
I'd have picked it up too. There's a number of games I'd pick up if they came to Switch. Notwithstanding, it's not a "major blow" if it doesnt come. And after e3, I think most people knew what was and wasn't coming, even if they held out a bit of hope.

Ya, I hope for as many games on Switch as possible, but it's not like there's a lack of games for it to matter much. As long as the system continues getting major exclusive releases every month, there's not much room for "major blows"

This reply may not be a big deal for many Switch owners, but it shows that many big 3rd party games aren't coming to the console. As for the usual "COD is for dude-bros" comments, to each their own. I enjoy COD and will get this for the PS4. Nintendo loses money in this scenario, so we shouldn't shrug at this news.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Exactly. I really cannot stand the people who think Nintendo consoles don't need 3rd party support to be successful.

Because they do.

Most people say the NES and SNES are the two most popular fan favorites for Nintendo. Why? Well guess what folks, they had great 3rd party support. Most of the great RPGs on the SNES, 3rd party. Great Classic Mega man? Yeah that's Capcom.
Good Castlevania? That's Konami.
Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, other fighters? Not Nintendo.

I'm feeling less confident in Nintendo's success with Swith. The fact Capcom isn't brining Monster Hunter World to it is very very scary. This could be a system with a shorter life span than WiiU.

@memoryman3 No, that's absolutely not true. Upscaling from lower quality game assets isn't something that would work in real life, at least not in a commercially successful way...

All third parties need to do is ditch all their wonky custom engines and simply develop games in Unreal Engine 4. That engine can scale projects down from high end gaming PC's to smart devices, if need be. All the necessary tool sets are integrated, so that would be the preferred way to go.

Was never expecting it to come out with the online not up and running fully yet so I'm not really bothered. The only half decent one in years was black ops 3, which I think they just got lucky with.

Total mistake. On activisions part.

@Cosats Says the hypocritical whinger. AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN. Several people have told you to give it a rest.

@retro_player_22 The next 3, if not 4, COD games will be released before Metroid Prime 4.

The real question will be which comes out first: FF VII remake, KH3 or MP4. And if any will release before 2020.

Are we even sure COD WWII is even going to perform as well as other entries? Ever since Black Ops 2 was made Backward Compatible on XBONE, the used price has jumped to the point where CeX is asking £28 for the game.

People arnt exactly flocking to new CODs like they used to, a lot of them are rebuying what they considered the best COD and sticking with that.

And nothing of value was lost.

@XCWarrior I think Nintendo might be able to make a system successful with limited 3rd party support (like what we have now), but the more 3rd party support the better, for sure.

I will agree that Monster Hunter World skipping Switch is a big deal for its future. Much more worrisome than these other titles that haven't had massive success on Nintendo platforms.

I would prefer that we get games that are built to the Switch's strengths rather than highlights it's weaknesses. An original Call of Duty developed from the ground up would work a lot better than trying to shrink down the PS4/Xbox version. Dare I say, I think EA might have the right idea but it remains to be seen whether it will pay off.

I avoided buying most of the Wii U's ports because of the half hearted nature of them, like EA's Wii U line-up. The ones I did buy, I bought only once they reached bargain bin status.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE you are prob the most negative person to troll a Nintendo site.
Every time someone complains about what PS4/x1 have for games that switch doesn't get, I always remind them about all the Nintendo games they aren't playing on their consoles. My PS3/4 combined library is maybe 50 games. My Wii/u/switch/3ds library is nearing 500 games.
And every complaint you make about Nintendo being over priced, well they are taking cues from every other company. Botw is the 1st Zelda with dlc, but nobody complains about dark souls or any other game for that fact. I don't need apps on my switch, I have an iPhone as well. I alway have both with me. How much have you spent for ps+ and Xbox live??? 10 years at like $50+ a year. Do the math. PS needs a hard drive that is better then what comes with it. My Wii U has 1tb and my switch is 256mb. Stop complaining about everything and just enjoy it for what it is. I can play awesome games on the go and at home. There is a better line up for switch then PS4 had 6 months in. And guess what, lots of those were ports too. Heck they even ported PAC man to nes. Ports are always going to be a part of gaming. It's like complaining that someone bought the original Star Wars trilogy on blue ray instead of VHS.

@XCWarrior I was just thinking about when we last had 3rd party parity, which was the Gamecube. I loved 3rd party games on the Gamecube, e.g. Resident Evil, RE 0, Resident Evil Remake, Resident Evil 4, Viewtiful Joe, Tales of Symphonia and more. They were exclusive for a while.

Ask someone to name their favourite Wii U games and it's mostly 1st party games. We're missing out on so much. I'm a Nintendo only gamer and because of Nintendo's decisions, I've never got to play a lot of massive 3rd party games, like GTA for example. Massive series, it's a system seller and apart from Chinatown on DS, the series has never been on a Nintendo home console.

It's really a lose-lose situation Nintendo has on their hands as a 1st-party, simply because various 3rd-parties tend to not want to compete with Nintendo on their own platform. A lot of people say specs are the reason, yet specs didn't stop the Wii from getting numerous 3rd-party games, including CoD, and Switch has a far smaller power gap. Numerous times, Nintendo has given 3rd-parties the spotlight, but they chose to ignore it because they don't want to take risks. They want Nintendo to build the platform up for them. Yet, when Nintendo does build it up, the 3rd-parties still ignore it because the platform is popular because of Nintendo, and they don't want to have to compete with the 1st-party developer on their platform.

Basically, 3rd-parties want Nintendo to somehow have a good-selling platform that isn't driven by Nintendo's own software so the 3rd-parties can swoop in and make some sales from simply being there.....

I buy 3rd-party games on Nintendo platforms, but I don't buy ports that are crappy, late, or otherwise a sign of sabotage for no reason other than because the devs didn't care.

If a specialized version of the game was made for Switch that had crossplay like Rocket League there's no doubt that would have been a huge positive gain for the perception of Switch in the eyes of many gamers. That possibility seems pretty far out of reach for the hardware, though, and huge job to port! I wasn't aware there was any widespread hope for this.

Meh who cares ... Metroid Prime 4 will blow this dreck out of the water pokes tounge

@XCWarrior Would you like to bet with me on that claim? I wager $300 that the Switch will last longer than the Wii U. How about it?

@Phin68 That can apply to the annual sports games as well. Doesn't mean they're good. All Activision has going for it at all is that Crash remake compilation. Maybe if its timed exclusivity ends and it arrives to Switch, that could be a more preferable package to see.

Would only be worth it if it supported Joy-Con motion controls, anyway. Personally, I would rather play any number of other games on Switch OR PC, so I don't care very much about this game either way.

No shocker here. But the people that are still confused as to why Nintendo is in last place can't possibly be serious. Madden and COD, two of the three biggest gaming franchises (FIFA the 3rd) skipping the console is a direct correlation.

Switch = niche

And that is not what Nintendo is aiming for.

@ThanosReXXX Custom engines are much better because of their low level access, meaing that developers can squeeze the most out of the target hardware. Look at Yoshi's Woolly World on a custom Good Feel engine vs the UE4 Yoshi.

Upscaling assets could work, if the developers make two sets of assets. One made for 4K/UHD systems like the Pro, and lower res ones for Switch.

Making a game tailored for systems that are higher end is not good for lower end systems like the Switch, because of CPU speed differences. If you directly port a PS4 game which uses 100% of CPU resources to Switch, it will literally run at 1/4 or less speed, if it even runs at all.

There is a reason why the CPU speed doesn't change when Switch is docked/undocked.

That would the same answer 99% of devs who are working on AAA titles would give if they were being open and honest when asked about whether their game was coming to Switch or not.

@NEStalgia same.

No worries because CoD is worthless trash anyway.

@XCWarrior
That was 20-30 years ago. Times have changed. You can't force a game to be popular among a group of people who aren't interested. And like it or not, the market for most of those games has shifted elsewhere, and did so a long time ago. Unfortunate as it may be, that's just how it is. Accept it or not, that's what it is.

If those are the only games you care about, you probably don't need a Switch. But as far as MH goes, the game was started in planning back in 2013, when even Wii U was months old. Is it any surprise that it's not on Switch? They said their aim was to sell on consoles that represent more than 10% of the market here like 3DS. So how would a system that hadn't even been conceived get that game?

Capcom has made great efforts to get a MH game on Switch in the first 6 months, with an install base of what, 5 mil? PS4 had to sell 65 mil before getting one. Think it's pretty clear MH will be all over Switch this generation. 3DS cant last forever, and Switch is the future. One game created 4 years before Switch released doesn't mean MH isn't gonna be on Switch. Especially with Capcom bending over backwards to bring MHXX to show they have every intention of smothering the system in MH releases.

As for the rest, it is what it is. Not one person here would be against a system that had every game you ever wanted. But that will never happen. Switch is not only a different console with a different market and a gamership with different preferences, but also not designed to sustain mega budget western games (see Steep issues). And that's ok. Because at the end of the day, you don't want a switch to buy duplicate copies of all your PS4 games, you want a Switch to play new, different games_. And as long as Nintendo continues to deliver that in spades, why bemoan ports of games you can already play? Sure, it's nice to get that portability and I certainly welcome any and all games that do come to Switch, but even if there was none, would it really be that bad? I certainly don't think so. More games are releasing on Switch this year that I want to play than PS4 or Xbox. But even if there weren't, it's all extra games you couldn't otherwise play, and it provides entertainment anywhere.

What's there to worry about?

@SLIGEACH_EIRE
Yup. Such a catastrophe. CoD is a major seller in other systems. Not Nintendo.

Zelda You played the port, we played the definitive version and are still playing
MK8D You're finished, but we're not. We actually have a proper battle mode to play
Arms I'm sure you're frantically trying to find an excuse to knock this one
Splatoon 2 But it will be out in a couple weeks
Xenoblade 2 Out this year
Mario Kingdom Battle out in 60 days
Pokken Tournament out in 90 days
Mario Odyssey out in just a few months
3rd party games people will actually care about My point exactly. The fanbase has never cared for 3rd party games. But Bomberman has outsold CoD on Wii U already. Rocket League is a game Nintendo fans will eat up. JRPG's will do better than any western AAA ever did on Wii U. And Need I say more?

@SLIGEACH_EIRE the same with beyond good and the evil ppl here dying for it and crying for years for it and when they listed only for PS4 and Xbox one only suddenly the game became garbage and they never cared for it and nothing valuable missed 😂And they sequel looks horrible to the first game and they wanted something basic not open world like this

@JaxonH basically he didn't miss anything every game you mentioned is a port from the win U lol

He don't need to pay another 60$ for a battle mode lol

Wasn't it obvious all this time? Come on.

@electrolite77 You're talking nonsense. It is because of Nintendo's decisions that I don't get to play those big games. Nintendo decide to release gimped hardware, nobody else.

@Raayo but that means you'll have a PC that can run it, so why bother? I doubt the range for streaming without hiccups will be far.

Thank goodness I'm a Nintendo and PC Gamer.

Now I can ignore Call of Duty on TWO platforms.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE one system that can play ALL games sounds nice but you'd also only get that 1st party from that consoles maker as well. Nintendo in your opinion may release gimped hardware but they blow everyone else away with what they can do on it. I like the variety.

@Discostew someone gets it!! The thing with switch is Nintendo finally understands how much they have to carry their platform, and switch is designed to enable them to do so. It's bad for people looking for a single stop to be chesp, but good overall in that its almost entirely differentiate and therefore can't be ignored for purchase simply by comparing the better value between it and other consoles as it's a unique, separate product, the desire for which can't be fulfilled by owning a different one

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Gamecube? 3rd party parity? Pleease tell me you're joking. Gcn was far far, faaaaaaar away from that ideal. As was n64.. i believe the word you're looking for is "SNES".

Seriously, you seem like you really want ps4/xb1 games. You seem to have a big gaming budget. Why not just treat yourself to one and get the best of both worlds? Maybe you'll become a ps/xb fan and not care about Nintendo anymore.....so if you do promise not to come and pester everyone about that here.... that would be plain rude. But lots of us are on pushswqare too, so if you end up liking that better, well all chat over there about a product you like more. But you spend a lot on gaming, you seem to like games on both platforms. Why WOULDNT you buy into the best of both worlds by now? Heck even iwata owned a ps4. Yoshida owns wiiu and switch and 3ds. These guys are gamers. Aonuma i think played skyrim and witcher on pc. They want all the games too.

@ThanosReXXX there's the monetary investment but also the man - hours investment from a team that was likely understaffed and overworked for the existing targets. They probably couldn't do it even if the wanted to as everyone is probably doing the work of 4 people just to do what they will already profit most on.

Dev teams and Chinese factory workers are more alike than they are different, more times than not....

Definitely sucks because I've bought every Call of Duty that's come to Nintendo consoles but people have to understand these kinds of games will be coming next year for the Switch. Why you ask? Because a lot of third parties were burned by the Wii U and before the Switch RELEASED were skeptical about how well it would perform in the market. If Switch sells gamgbusters this holiday season though you can be rest assured that we will get games like Call of Duty next year.

The same thing happened with the Wii. Third parties were skeptical because of the GameCube but when it started selling like hotcakes third parties started bringing the games over. Don't let these Nintendoomers make you think the world is collapsing over this.

Also, I was pumped about the World War 2 setting but since Sledgehammer decided to be historically inaccurate and go the politically correct route I won't even pick this up on PC like I was planning to do if there was no Switch port. Nope my military shooter this year will be Battlefield 1 with all the DLC coming out this Fall.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE
gimped hardware

Your mindset is poisonous.

Hardware is not what's standing in between you and that game. It's the lack of demand in the market, and the fact you chose to not buy the system that has that game. Like a child at McDonald's crying there's no Whopper on the menu. If that's what you want, it's your fault for not going to Burger King!

And there is no reason to flush system features that actually matter down the toilet just to make the hardware more powerful. There is no such thing as "gimped hardware". Just strengths and weaknesses. And if one strength (power) wasn't bringing in any 3rd party games anyways, then it offers little to no value, and it's better to trade it for something that does bring more value (like hybrid portability).

@SLIGEACH_EIRE I'll just point out the Red dead redemption 2 isn't coming to pc,even pc doesn't get every game.

Not a big deal to me. I don't play COD anyway but my husband likes them for the story. We also have a PS4 and Xbox One so he could just get it on one of those if he wanted.

Please stop asking for AAA games to be nerfed for our console and start asking for games to be made FOR it! I don't want poor man's versions of huge budget, cutting edge games. Sure, CoD WW2 has come out, buit rather than ask for a watered down version of that game, I would rather ask for the Modern Warfare remaster that came out. The Switch is capable of that game and it's here where the Switch's portability can off a superior version. Y'all asking for scraps, and it's kinds depressing. Ubisoft with MArio Rabbids is perfect. Fifa with a bespoke engine for Switch (and again people moan about the bloody engine!! Idiots want a lesser version of the latest one as opposed to an improved older one lol. Like that stops it from becoming a good game in it's own right.) is on the right tracks. Bethesda offering a remastered version of Skyrim. Ok, people might complain that it's a 6 year old game...but remember that bit where Nintendo are chasing a blue ocean? People that never played games? I never played Skyrim because it never came to a Nintendo console. SO ye, I bought the Switch hoping it would become a portable Wii U and it would get definitive / remastered games from the 360 era that many Nintendo fans missed. So many people follow Nintendo because they are fresh and inventive but in the next breath beg them to do what everybody else is doing. Hehe.

What golf-holes they are. But their loss, the Switch is selling very well, so if they wanna keep being arrogant, that's their problem.
Missing an opportunity for a lot of cash.

@ThanosReXXX to be fair, the guy that posed the question didn't ask "why not".

Then again, most people that I've seen get a "no" to their questions almost never ask "why not".

@LaVelle well pay day 2 is coming to the switch

@Nintendoh not really. Ive tried CoD from when it first came out on windows in 03' back when i started HS. Now 13 years later, 2 kids, a wife, full time job, and MANY versions later the sheen has long since worn off. Plus the communities are toxic for the most part. A family keeps games rated T and under.

@memoryman3 The subject was third party software, not Nintendo's own titles. They didn't go through the effort of bringing official support for Unreal Engine 4 for nothing. It was specifically to target third parties, and give them the ability to work on Switch versions of these games "in engine".

Most of what it needs is downgrading, and removing incompatible assets or minimize assets that are too heavy for the hardware and it'll work.

No, any power-related excuse that any developer is going to use, is going to be total BS. Sure, it takes effort, but if it could happen on the Wii U and even the lowly Wii, then there really is no good excuse, other than a financial consideration, although even that is debatable.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE,

The Wii U had 2 call of duty titles and it made no difference at all,if people want AAA games they will buy a PS4 or Xbone.

The Nintendo switch will do very well and already has a huge range of games,it's only the hardcore market that's going on and on about the lack of AAA games.

Nintendo games is what will sell on Nintendo consoles.

@GrailUK

The Switch is more than capable of running a game with a World War 2 setting and speak for yourself because having a portable call of duty or other portable AAA third party games would be a dream come true for a lot of gamers including myself. What, because the Switch can't run 4K games you don't think it should get big multiplatform releases? Give me a break. Even though I own a powerful gaming PC that's double the power of the Xbox One X and runs games in FULL 4K I still want big AAA games to come to the Switch because I'm a Nintendo fan and because portability means a lot to me especially since I travel for my job.

The Switch supports Unreal Engine 4 and a bunch of other modern engines, is supposedly really easy to port to, is easy to develop for and we still have UK Sony fanboys coming over to this site proclaming that Switch can't handle Frogger.

@Shane76 that was and is my point

@peeks @peeks
"every game"

There are only 2 ports and 1 simultaneous release. And both ports are inferior on Wii U with missing content, and all 3 games are exclusively portable on Switch. All the rest are exclusive to Switch, and will be followed by scores more.

And who said BG&E2 looks like garbage? I think you're imagining things. The original game was never the best, and I dont recally anyone (other than rjejr) acting like the sequel was gonna be the best thing since sliced bread.

The cut scene looked good. It's got my attention. If it's good I'll buy it. But it sounds to me like you just want to flaunt games that aren't coming and pretend to yourself people actually care. Nobody was yearning for BG&E2 here. Only reason it was spoken of at all was because of a rumor.

@electrolite77 True, that's also why I didn't say 5 million, as in ALL of the Switch owners. There's plenty of Switch owners that would like to see these games arrive on the Switch, and a lot of them will easily accept a lower spec version in order for the added benefit of being able to play it on the go, so yeah...

"The Nintendo switch will do very well and already has a huge range of games."

How can you say that? This story is about COD. That's a FPS. The Switch doesn't have FPS's. Or what about sports? The only game out so far is a bobble-head average basketball game. That's gimped on Switch compared to other versions by all accounts.

It sucks considering there are so many gamers still playing Black Ops on Wii U. I remember buying COD: Ghosts and it had a glitch in the single player campaign that made me get stuck. I reloaded the game and it worked the next time. Other than that, it was cool.

@NEStalgia I see monetary/financial reasons as a whole, so man hours fall in that category as well, so I already had that covered.

No, I stand by what I said. And if I really had to come up with another, actually good excuse for third parties to not bring their games to the Switch (currently), then the ONLY valid reason would be them not being in possession of a dev kit, because of the console being on the market for only such a short time, which would even make it the least interesting device to develop for if it was more powerful than it is now...

@capitalism Well until I see a legit big budget AAA multiplat that is inclusive of the Switch I am reserving my judgement and keeping my expectations grounded. I still think it is much better wanting games made for the Switch as opposed to nerfed to fit it. I of course am speaking for myself mate so hey, hope I don't sound like I'm hating

Bit of a blow, I did get Black Ops for Wii U and its just as fun as is it on platforms.

Nintendo is sitting on the Switch hype until they'll entertain 3rd party beasts like CoD.

I'd pay the ridiculous price for Modern Warfare on Switch if they bother.

@Koudai1979 True, but still, it would be nice if developers or publishers wouldn't act so shady or think we wouldn't understand their real reasons.

I've got decades of experience and a degree in sales & marketing and in management as well, so I see right through most of these tools the minute they open their mouth to say something that comes even close to covering up the real reason, and it annoys me to no end.

It's never nice to hear a no, but at least dignify us with a more elaborate answer, so that it can become somewhat more digestible, instead of leaving us with even more questions...

As an added thought: the interview is only quoted here, and I did look on the site, but there was simply too much text to read through, and it mostly concerned other platforms, so it also seems that the Switch question was more or less added as an afterthought, and then they moved on again with the rest of the questions, so it does indeed appear that the interviewer did not really put in an effort to get to the bottom of it.

Oh, well...

@JaxonH "Capcom has made great efforts to get a MH game on Switch in the first 6 months, with an install base of what, 5 mil?"

They did the same thing with MH3U on Wii U. How'd that work out again? That was a 3DS port and so is the Switch MH.

My genuine opinion on this:

I think I was more upset when I found out Meme Run wasn't coming to the EU EShop.

@XCWarrior But Nintendo isn't competing with other platforms FOR major Western third party content WITH the design of their hardware and branding. Why would Western third parties, whose content genre is limited to non-existent on Nintendo's platform, unilaterally grow a fanbase on Nintendo's consoles? They wouldn't. It would make no sense if Nintendo was not competing for their software. And Nintendo is absolutely not competing for major Western third party content with their platform.

Skyrim is a perfect example of the extent of Nintendo's competition for this content. It's a last generation game, so non-competitive in terms of market breakthrough, but has great legacy sales value that the publisher is taking advantage of. Also it fits alongside the branding of major first party content. If you're a third party and that's the business situation with your game, AND Nintendo approaches you, that may be appealing to your business. But that's very limited competition from Nintendo.

Micheal Condrey confirmed this a few weeks ago.

Given how poorly both COD games on the Wii U sold, yeah, it's no surprise to see COD WWII skipping the Switch. I don't blame them either; the last thing Activision wants is to rush out a COD port ASAP on the Switch only for the port to sell sub-200,000 copies.

The more interesting question is whether future COD games will come to the Switch once it gathers a substantial install base. I'm skeptical, but if Activision thinks it makes business sense, then it could happen.

Oh wow, what a surprise ... Said nobody ever.

So we're at the point of the Switch's lifespan where 3rd parties are abandoning the Switch. CoD not coming, Monster Hunter is not coming to Switch in the west, Steep will be cancelled due to issues porting the game over to Switch, etc. I wonder what the Switch's equivalent of Rayman Legends will be.

While it is sad, at least the first party support is still as good as normal.

Your loss Activision, I've bought all COD games for the Wii and the Wii U. Anyway, I wouldn't expect a game from Sledgehammer, Treyarch are the ones who either make their games available or port some others on Nintendo consoles

@RyanSilberman I really don't think it matters whether the COD series is "bad" or not. Everyone has different tastes. What matters is that the Switch is missing out on yet another popular AAA game when it really shouldn't have.

@JaxonH Psst... you're #122 comment needs a Whopper, not a Big Mac...

@SLIGEACH_EIRE If there was ever a comment that I agreed with more, I can't think of any, absolutely spot on!!

@gortsi @Grumblevolcano There's an exclusive MH coming, Steep has issues associated with online and Nintendo is helping and CoD is still coming. Condrey, just like in 2014, comments on what his studio is doing. SHG is not porting the Switch version. Beenox is. And they're not talking about it. Wait for an August reveal, around Gamescom.

In 2014 Condrey commented on Advanced Warfare and the Wii U saying: "We're not developing a Wii U version. That was a business decision made by Activision to focus us on Xbox One, PS4 and PC. Another studio is doing current-gen (PS3/360). The Wii U wasn't on the business key plan. So that was off our radar, but I know the company's not doing it."

Compare that to the "No" we have this year. He can't talk about something out of his hands and announce something Activision clearly doesn't want announced at this time.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE
They did indeed.

Only Wii U flopped like a fish out of water, while Switch can't sell fast enough. More importantly, Wii U was not a portable system while Switch is, and furthermore, 3DS was the future of portable gaming at the time. Now, it's Switch.

@Grumblevolcano
Has Ubisoft confirmed that Steep is no longer coming to the Switch?

Some of you guys can make an argument for how a publisher could justify putting a game like COD on the Switch.

But you don't seem to understand the principle that makes the proposition appealing to large businesses. And it's not just selling and extra million copies the first time.

Hint: It's called growth.

When Nintendo isn't competing as a platform holder for your content, then some players will decide to make a unique purchase. Odds are, after the first installment, there will be no growth in demand for that game because it is not top-performing for their money. They will spend the same amount on a non-competitive version of the software and will be less inclined to do so again.

The areas for growth of major Western third party content on Nintendo's platform is very limited. And if growth can't be amply forecasted then there is no appeal to a large business to make an investment

Not surprising. Unless the Switch is incredibly easy and cheap to port games to (of which there are conflicting stories) there is no reason to bother porting these types of games where they will be lucky to sell 100K copies, as opposed to guaranteed million sellers on other devices which also sport the better online functionality anyways.

@faint Speaking as one of the people who said it's no big deal, the situation isn't as black and white as it's sometimes made out to be. I do understand that third-party is important. Every console needs third-party. And I would absolutely love to get KH3 on the Switch (I know, it won't happen...). But CoD, specifically, is not that big a deal because we knew from the very beginning tbat it wasn't likely to happen, and there aren't a huge number of CoD fans that are also Nintendo-console-only. Sure there are some, but it's not an audience of millions.

We need third party for Switch that makes sense on the platform. Not hobbled versions of games that were designed for the most powerful consoles ever, but things that are built for a middleweight hybrid device. Things like Rocket League, Skyrim, Mario+Rabbids, XC2 - and those things are actually happening. The Switch has a lot of momentum, and I'm sure next year there will be tons of games for it.

And they still won't be games like CoD:WWII. For that kind of game, you gotta buy that kind of console.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE
"Gimped hardware" isn't reason why the Switch isn't getting much western 3rd party support. Audience mismatch and caution after the Wii U is.

Fine, we don't want your game! We don't need it! I can make my own Call of Duty right in my own home! And it'll be way better than yours! Stupid Activision...

Goes into corner and turns on the movie "Saving Private Ryan" while drinking mountain dew and firing off pop-guns, all while an overly complex contraption routinely jabs me in the abdomen everytime 30 seconds, a video of a crazy german guy attempting to sing Miley Cirus songs played on max volume in the backround, and popcorn cooks in a nearby microwave

Now I just need the neighbors to wake up and start pounding on my door yelling obscenities, and I'll have the complete experience in nothing flat. Suck on THAT, Sledgehammer Games!

@JaxonH Dude, I say this with all the respect and love: let it go. You two are butting heads constantly and it's pointless. S_E is NOT going to suddenly come around to your (correct) point of view. He's decided the Switch is a horrible, terrible, no-good, very bad thing, and he will continue to spew bile about it until the cows come home. You have nothing to gain from this. Go play some ARMS or something and let the man sulk with his dear, discontinued console.

@Ballzilla let's hope you're right. That said, I don't like Sledgehammers games, I consider them the worst COD studio

At least he gave a straight answer. Don't hold your breath waiting for any COD to show up on the switch.

Those who are waiting for third party support to build up just need to accept the fact that it's not happening this year. Or maybe not even next year. This year is all about Nintendo exclusives. Apparently neo geo ports as well.

I feel for Nintendo only gamers. There's a lot to miss out on. You can say "I don't care about third parties" but all I see when third parties say "it's not coming to Nintendo" is complaints. I'm currently playing through Nier Automata and it's a masterpiece of a game. There are many others like it that'll never be on switch. Thats a damn shame too. What Switch owners need to hope for is third party games built from the ground up exclusively for Switch. That's going to be awhile.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE "It's a blow to Switch owners."

I think it's time you realize that your perceptions are not gospel truth. It's only a blow to "some" Switch users, not all of them, and you're purely in denial if you believe otherwise.

I just like how they got straight to the point instead of beating around the bush like so many other developers do.

I'm honestly not surprised on this. It's either that the Switch is still young and still growing in numbers or that COD is just not appropriate for a Nintendo console . I do wish Activision could port Transformers Devestation though. That'd be sick

I think it's a shame this COD won't make it on to Switch because it will be one of the best selling games this year regardless of quality. If the Switch misses more big release games it won't be as attractive to casual gamers long term no matter how good the 1st party games are.

@electrolite77 True, "a lot" is arbitrary, but there definitely IS a market for it, so it would be nice to have the diversity.

And besides the DS spin-offs, there has never been a real COD on a mobile platform, so that would be a first as well, and quite a nice addition.

And it would be a real shame if all that Nintendo gets for its efforts to support modern game engines, is old ports and Indie games...

@JasmineDragon
"He's decided the Switch is a horrible, terrible, no-good, very bad thing"
Haha, you won the internet for the day!

@Grumblevolcano
"CoD not coming"
Well, except for Skylanders, was Activision fully onboard the Nintendo Switch ship? Besides, who's to say the other CODs won't be coming?
"Monster Hunter is not coming to Switch in the west"
And that means Capcom is abandoning the Switch? Jeez. There ABSOLUTELY won't be anymore MH games on the Switch because of this? HUH.
"Steep will be cancelled due to issues porting the game over to Switch."
Do... do you have a crystal ball or something? Because I want one...
"I wonder what the Switch's equivalent of Rayman Legends will be."
Mario + Rabbids, obviously.

BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Anyone else miss when companies would have different versions of a game available on different platforms? Now it seems like they just want to make one version to port elsewhere and be done with it. It's so boring compared to previous gens where you could have a game based on the same property be a completely different experience based on what you played it on.

It's a bit bad for Switch, but I guess that it was not in developement from the start. I'm not a fan of fps games. So it's not a big loss for me. I bought two cod games for WiiU even though I didn't fancy them, just to support 3rd party developers. So my wallet is quiet happy that there will be no cod game this year.

Also, to those that say the Switch has no third party support right now: do you not see the sports games coming out for the Switch? Sonic? Skyrim? The Lego games? Flippin Rocket League? Even titles published by Ubisoft are bolstering the system's library. It's low, sure, but third parties are quickly ramping up titles now that the Switch is a hot item and there is a market for the system unlike the Wii U

Mercury steam said no

@LaVelle Its not impossible, who guessed someday Skyrim on a Nintendo console ? with FIFA, i still expect EA to bring SW Battlefront ... ( and a decent, exclusive RE at somepoint ...)

@SLIGEACH_EIRE you are 100% right. If Nintendo put as much effort into the their system as all the fans do in trying to defend them, the Switch would be a BEAST!

@ThanosReXXX
An answer need not be given by them for it is in plain sight. Nintendo fans are stereotyped. We are children, not gamers that would buy games that are mature...at least, that is how we are being stereotyped. It's quite sad really...

At least that is finally settled. I guess I will be picking it up on Xbox One instead once I get the urge to play another Call of Duty game.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE So if you love the WiiU so much then that shouldn't be a problem right? The Switch is what the WiiU should have been from the start. It brings the best mobile device for playing games period. If developers don't want to develop for it, then so be it! Me personally.. I don't want ports for the Switch, I want games made for the Switch.. To take advantage of ability to play with multiple systems wireless. I want to go to work, and if three of my friends want to battle some poo afterwards, I have the ability to do that. The Switch is not a paperweight, it has very vast potential.

I feel...a terrible fate incoming. As always, loosing a 3rd party game is never a good thing. Sometimes I wonder, is there a point for Nintendo to still be around?

@MatthewHindmarsh Well, I can only speak for myself, but I'm 47, so I guess I don't fit that stereotype, although Nintendo's own games do tend to bring out the inner child in me...

@westman98 CoD on Wii U sold poorly because it was basically similarly powered hardware to what existed for a good 7 years prior, with nothing that made it stand out, when the install base on the other platforms was incredibly large. Chances were, a person who got a Wii U likely had a PS3 or 360 or PC.

What Switch has is its portability, which is a major attraction to both consumers and developers. And even if it isn't as strong as PS4/XB1, it never stopped developers before. Even CoD got ported to Wii when PS3/360 got it too, and that system had a much larger gap in power than Switch does.

My hats off to the third party developers that do want my money. I will happily double dip on any game I want or have to the Switch because in my world, portability is king.

Good. Switch will not be poisoned with the crap that is Call Of Duty.

Crisis averted.

That's a shame

@zionich Preach.

@ThanosReXXX agreed.

@Discostew
I think once the Switch obtains a larger install base, I think Activision could hire one of their smaller studios to port future COD games to the Switch.

There is still a likely possibility they won't do that, but their history with porting COD to the Wii (and even the freaking DS) tells me that as long as there is an active install base, Activision will get COD ported to any platform no matter the "powah & specks."

BTW what's the point of the "COD is crap" comments??

This is an article about COD WWII not coming to the Switch, not a COD WWII review.

Never mind this nonsense, the people need Picross and Rhythm Heaven

@MsgBoardGamer Well that's true, but the larger the install base, the more likely they might be to give it a shot. At 5m it's probably not worth it.

You tell us to stop asking, but why? The squeaky wheel gets the grease, doesn't it?

@ThanosReXXX "and get additional profits from selling on additional platforms."

How hard is it to convert a true next gen PC game - all PS4 and X1 games are these days are watered down PC games - to a Switch game? A game that has to go from 1080p to 720p on the fly. WiFi on the road as CoD is mostly played w/ others online. How far in advance did Ntinedo give Activision a Switch dev kit? I'm on the outside looking in but I don't see the numbers adding up. Plus CoD is one of those $50 Season Pass games, are Nintnedo fans going to pay that?

http://www.gamestop.com/ps4/games/call-of-duty-wwii-season-pass/147991

CoD releases every single year. Next year we'll see, Nintneod launched the console in March, this year was never happening for CoD. Lets see how many people pay for paid online first.

@MatthewHindmarsh

Childish comments are most commonly made by children. The need to raise ones own maturity by accusing others of immaturity is really just an own goal. I bet the average age of a Nintendo gamer is much older than that of a PC gamer. Most of us that hold Nintendo dear does so because we grew up with them ruling the world back in the 8/16 bit era. Most of us is at the age of 30+.

I'd also say that older games focuses more on gameplay than graphics. That is what Nintendo stands for today. After all, we were forced to use our imagination cause of the graphical limitations. That's not something young people has these days.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE,

You are only looking at the situation from the hardcore gamers perspective.

And if you want those types of games you will buy them for the PS4/Xbone,the Switch will cater for a larger untapped market imo.

I personally dislike COD but if you want 3rd party games on a Nintendo System people need to buy the few ones we get !! Hands down for skyrim FIFA 18 and NBA2K18, support what you get and maybe you gonna get some more!

Makes sense this iteration of COD and several other AAA games aren't coming to Switch ; these games will have been in development for nearly 2 years. The devs involved will have had access to Switch dev kits for maybe 15 months, probably a few months less. It should be obvious to most there would be little parity in AAA releases with PS4/XBOX at this stage in the NS lifespan. Whether parity is there in the post holiday period remains to be seen.
Nintendo consoles have struggled to secure AAA third party support since the end of the SNES era. This issue was only ever going to get worse with each generation as development of AAA games got bigger and more expensive.

I'm not surprised. It says it's a Wii game right from the title, but, they really should have released it a lot sooner.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE

You're being a bit melodramatic. I know, it seems to be the standard these days.

I'm going to put this in simple terms, I can imagine that many of these games are not coming (yet) because the developers feel that there isn't an audience (yet) in one way or the other, and if there isn't an audience, who cares. There's no way that this could be a big blow if the audience isn't there.

In the meantime, Nintendo is doing well with the switch, as it is catering well to an audience of its own.

And, you know what? The problem with a good number of top developers today is their reluctancy to change, they have become complacent in what they have accomplished and in turn there is a lack of variety in what they offer. Are we honestly willing to believe that all gamers want to play nowadays are games like Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed? The fact that the likes of EA and Rockstar were able to tap into a lucrative audience as far as their mature franchises go does not mean that there isn't a potential audience out there that isn't being fed. That's the thing that disappoints me the most about the modern development community is that there are a great number of gamer types out there that are constantly being neglected. I miss the days when a company could successfully launch a gaming device by packing in a game like Tetris.

@retro_player_22 metroid prime 4 takes a big steamy dump on COD for sure

Judging by a lot of comments on here, if 3Rd party devs were reading them, they would and are better off giving the switch a wide berth. What a bunch of cry babies, you don't deserve 3rd party games, this article is very poisonous.. Get over yourselves and go play hide and seek with mario and friends, now there's a game for ya

"Nintendo is doooooooooooooooooooooooomed!"

Got news for you guys: Switch isn't getting 95% of the big Western AAA games that release. And, really, it doesn't need them to be successful: what it does need is robust first-party and Japanese third party support, like the 3DS enjoyed. We'll also get third party exclusives, like Mario + Rabbids.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Almost all of the readers here feel tired of your continuous trolling. You give it a rest. Buy a Playstation 4 and start commenting on a Playstation chat room. You'll do us a favour.

Phew, feeling good about that answer. CoD not plaguing the Switch makes me love it even more.

Fine then. Hope Seldgehammer has an excuse ready when they fail to surpass Splatoon 2 within a week of launch.

@Grumblevolcano Consider how long most of these games that aren't coming to the Switch have been in development. Did anyone really think the Switch would mark this big of a comeback for Nintendo after years of the Wii U barely selling? Developers haven't been making games with the Switch in mind.

If third parties aren't announcing things by next E3, I'd worry a bit more.

@Cosats Way to generalise. But you would and do. Care to comment on the story, which you haven't done but then then what'svnew about that, or do you want to just continue to troll as you usually do?

I'm a pretty competitive CoD (Black Ops series) player. While I have to agree that it isn't entirely a huge loss that this won't be coming to the Switch, I don't understand all the hate people have for the CoD games. If you don't like it, that's fine, but to call it trash is so unnecessary.

Anyway, I can't see any serious CoD player picking this up for Switch over the other PS4/XBox.

Too much effort to downgrade for too few potential sales.

@rjejr Forgetting one important factor to your 'math'. How long said systems have been out.

PlayStation 4 release date: February 22, 2014
Xbox One release date: November 22, 2013
Nintendo Switch release date: March 3, 2017

So your numbers argument wouldn't a be a fair comparison as the Switch is only 4 months old, whereas the Xbone is 4 years old and the PS4 is 3 years old. Naturally the consoles that have been out longer would have a higher base than a system that hasn't even seen its first year anniversary.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE I feel bad for you brosef. You try to show this rabid fanbase a problem with the Switch(which this is clearly a problem) and you just get dumped on.

@ThanosReXXX
That's kind of my point though. You're 47, but other companies aren't going to know that and they will assume that because it's Nintendo their install base is children. I'm glad to hear though that Nintendo manages to evoke such an emotion out of you

End of the day we've got splatoon 2

@Aneira
Certainly, Most Nintendo fans are 30+. It's good that they are still interested in Nintendo. However, my main gripe is that those fans aren't considered by other companies. Yes there are still young people that play Nintendo, I'm 15 and enjoy playing Nintendo not because their games are "childish" but because the gameplay is good; which leads me to the next point. It's great that Nintendo constructs games by gameplay seeing as it's pretty hard to come across games with good play. After all, the gameplay effects the player not the art style

@SuperiorTech I'm guessing there wouldn't be so many sour grapes in the comments if the article was confirming the game actually was coming to the Switch.

Nintendo fans are a bit sensitive on the third party issue due to years of feeling neglected by these publishers. They'll effusively praise games that come to their system, but if a company turns on their preferred console, they'll rip it apart like a pack of jackals. I can't even deny that I've felt this same compulsion at times.

In my case, this wasn't a disappointment, because I haven't played a CoD game in years. Just not my sort of game. My lack of interest in Western AAA titles aligns perfectly with the sort of software support that Nintendo consoles get.

Yay, my friends list won't say COD all the way down the line like Playstation 3-4 since it came out. Now I might get to play some games with friends for the first time since ps3 launched.

CoD is a load of £&%# so not bothered!

@JasmineDragon that is literally the exact same point I was making. I said most Nintendo fans are not cod players or have another console. Then I followed that up with you will see them complaining when kingdom hearts skips the switch. You literally wrote the exact same thing I did.

Not a fan of the mediocrity that is Call of Duty but the Switch is faring much better than most expected. Guess Sledgehammer/Activision just don't care.

COD on the go would've been cool for those that enjoy the series.

I. Do. Not. Care.

Call of Duty was not a cornerstone of the 3DS's success, and its absence on Switch is not the end of the world.

Medal of Honor was decent. Nintendo should bring that one back!

To be honest, did anyone expect the outcome to be different?

Western "AAA" games studios got burned by Wii U and from what we have seen and heard so far, they're not coming back.

That said, Switch can still be a success without them. Nintendo first party + retro + Japanese games + indie games is all I really want.

This story gets 230+ comments... yeah nintendo fans dont care about cod and its not switch release...

@Moms-Meowth Snowflake Lol

No loss there COD is garbage

Oh my God, Nintendo, you should prevent these kind of things.

OK then.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE The Switch is my only system (I can't afford getting several systems each generation) so I'd love big third party support, but, to be honest the reason that made me choose a Nintendo system is exactly Nintendo games.
Anyway I believe that third party support might still be coming since the Switch is selling very well and most of the games releasing this year were already deep in development before the NX was even announced, so no surprises here.
So you are exaggerating and overblowing the situation quite a bit I think.
I also owned the WiiU (sold it to buy a Switch) and find the Switch to be a vastly superior console. I love everything about it. Nintendo nailed it.

I prefer having fun games on Nintendo systems, so I couldn't care less about not getting yet another release of an uninspired series like CoD.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE

Or get a PS4.

I'm not particularly deflated by a lack of COD's but a lack of everything other than gimped ports and third party shovelware? That pops my balloon AND more importantly it may very well leave the wider public generally disinterested.

Everyone that says "we don't need third parties" is basically saying "we don't need a wide install base or a long-lived console".

@SLIGEACH_EIRE i wanted it, but "massive blow"? LOL. You're funny.

@JaxonH
It's not a matter of ONLY liking third party AAA games. It's a matter of liking BOTH 3rd party AND Nintendo AAA games. I know you know that. Nintendo doesn't want the crux of the best argument around third party support to be 'you probably don't need a SWITCH'...

Most people do like both, so if Nintendo wants SWITCH to have a wider install base, and thusly last longer, than they need to appeal more to 'most people' - not by compromising their own properties, but by doing what they're already doing to expend the brand (mobile, theme parks) and then by powering up their consoles.

@electrolite77
What McDonald's have you been to that doesn't have Big Macs?

@Mainsaile only dedicated people that follow gaming in the internet seem to think all platforms should play all games. Switch has/ is building, its own mostly unique library. Ps4 had a unique library plus a lot of pc games. Xbox..... mostly just has pc games but not most of the unique pc ones. For consumers, the seeing what games they want is how they pick consoles. Ps4 doesn't get them the whole suite of Nintendo games and related exclusives and Japanese games that focus on Nintendo. Getting switch doesnt get them cod and EA type library. They have to pick whay they want. Only internet posters complain about '"missing third party"

@faint
I won't put words in their mouths but I agree.

It's not that the SWITCH must have COD, it's that poor third party momentum will lead to a bad trend.

Lack of variety will mean a smaller install base and a shorter console lifespan.

Now if the SWITCH inherits the JRPG tradition from the 3DS it may strengthen its niche but it also may still stay niche. I may be in that niche but a smaller install base is bad for Nintendo and what's bad for Nintendo is bad for me as a fan.

@NEStalgia It's not about complaining, it's about how it plays out in the market.

Console ownership is falling across the North American market. Maybe the SWITCH will change that, but add to that the fact that many people can't or shouldn't afford two dedicated consoles and you have a declining market.

Low onboard power and a high price point is generally a poor proposition unless the gimmick is great and that's in a robust market. SWITCH will only succeed in the long run if the portability aspect really catches fire.

It hinges on one thing and that is risky and bound to leave a lot of potential buyers (who are average gamers and not CEO's at SONY) very dissatisfied.

Nintendo magic may yet prevail...

No big loss for me, the World War 2 setting has been done to death.

To lighten the mood, try reading Sledgehammer's response in the voice of Hotel Mario.

@rjejr "How hard is it to convert a true next gen PC game"

Well, a TRULY next gen game would be hard(er), but none of the games on Xbox One or PS4 are anywhere near being in that category. People always joke about or scorn the so-called PC Master race, but a high end gaming rig will literally run rings around even the best that current consoles have to offer, PS4 Pro, the wannabe 4K console, included. And it will do so with one arm tied behind its back, and an eye patch...

So, the Switch wouldn't have to have next gen PC games down-ported to it, only mid-range games.

And as long as developers would choose to use Unreal Engine 4 instead of one of their custom ones, that adaptation process really shouldn't be impossible to overcome.

In a specific game like COD, the online part could be an issue with an on the go device, but luckily, COD isn't always online, so intermittent online would suffice just fine. Wi-Fi hot spots et all...

"How far in advance did Ntinedo give Activision a Switch dev kit? I'm on the outside looking in but I don't see the numbers adding up."

None of us are on the inside, so we're all equal in that respect, but I think it wouldn't be too far from the truth to assume that the first parties that got a dev kit, got them around a year ago at the earliest, Ubisoft being one of those parties.

With the time that Switch has been on the market, and the number of dev kits sold on a broader scale, it's not at all strange, that current triple A games are not arriving on the Switch, since most of these games will have had a development cycle of well over a year, so current iterations of many games will simply have arrived too soon for the Switch.

I'll largely sidestep the whole "easy to port" thing, because that's relative, and most people can't even see that in the right perspective. Easy will still take months to do, plus additional months for bug testing/quality checks and such, so that too would be longer than the life cycle of the Switch so far.

"Plus CoD is one of those $50 Season Pass games, are Nintnedo fans going to pay that?"

Yeah, we'll have to see how that goes. People pay for those passes for a multitude of games on the other consoles, so in essence, there's no reason why it wouldn't work on the Switch as well. And by all reports, Nintendo's online is going to cost almost nothing in comparison, so I would think that they won't pass the $20 - $30 mark, but I guess we'll find out soon enough...

"CoD releases every single year. Next year we'll see, Nintneod launched the console in March, this year was never happening for CoD. Lets see how many people pay for paid online first."

Agreed on the first part, but then again, you would already have understood that from what I've said so far...

@MatthewHindmarsh They always have, and they probably always will. Recent example: I felt giddy as a child today because I finally managed to secure me a Classic Mini.

I had to go to a physical shop to get my pre-order, because I had no luck online, but I felt a big rush of excitement all the way home, hardly believing I actually managed to score one, since I already failed to do so with the NES Mini.

Still got a big grin plastered on my face as we speak...

@Dakt It's not as black and white as that, so I wouldn't say it would a hell of a job, but it would be more difficult, yes. But hardly impossible. The Wii U supported IW 5.0 and a custom version of that engine to make the Wii U version of Ghosts, so two iterations on, the same could happen on the Switch, which is both more versatile (architecture and tool set/engine support-wise) and more powerful than the Wii U.

Same goes for Ubisoft's Snowdrop engine: I include this because of the so-called issues with Steep. But from what I've read on how the engine is supposed to operate and what it aims to do, the Switch should do just fine, so I fully believe that the biggest issue there is the always online part, NOT the game itself.

And also important to take note of the fact that the Mario+Rabbids game also uses Snowdrop, so that is solid proof that the engine itself runs perfectly fine on the Switch, and then some...

Some source info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IW_engine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowdrop_(game_engine)

I've read more, but these compile all the important/relevant info quite nicely.

Well one less game to buy. They can stick it!

@Moms-Meowth funny how this paperweight has kept me entertained for 4 months straight. Rediculous comments are rediculous.

Just wait for Geforce Now support for Switch, you can play any PC games.

@Dakt Sorry, but I don't agree. They modified 5 for the Wii U, to do that version of Ghosts (which really wasn't that much inferior to the other versions), so they could modify 6 for the Switch and still get most of the game running.

And Nintendo are masters of compression, they could add their own expertise to the mix, and otherwise, a 64GB cartridge will certainly not be impossible. Most future games will easily go over their current 32GB limit anyways, and even though their compression expertise comes in handy, it does of course has its limits.

Personally, I think the main culprit here is time to market and dev kit distribution. A game made with Unreal Engine 4 should by all reports be able to be ported over in several months, but a game made with a custom engine will take longer.

And besides that, the Switch has only been out there for three months, maybe the big developers knew about it little over a year ago, when Nintendo talked to third parties at E3 2016 behind closed doors, so how soon after that dev kits were realized, nobody knows so far, other than the parties directly involved.

In general, dev kits haven't been out there with a hell of a whole lot of companies, and even those that have them might not have had them for much longer than a year so far, and I suspect Activision to have either just one (for the Skylanders game), or none, let alone their subsidiaries, such as Sledgehammer.

There's still a lot of unknowns out there, and it's simply too early in the life of the Switch to tell which way the axe is going to fall.

Good discussion though, but I'm going to have to gracefully bow out for now, since it's 4am over here, so well past my curfew...

Funny how trends have a way of returning after a while. It used to be that WW2 FPS titles were standard issue and became overused, even by the time the first Call of Duty appeared. (Which was yet another WW2 based shooter.) Lo and behold, the series returns to it's roots, and it somehow would max out the specs of consoles. Kind of like that 1000-yard stare of the hardened soldier... Seen it all before.

You know what? I can respect that. Thanks for just saying no. Much better than the developers of the Wii U era always saying "well, it's definitely something we'll look at!" and never following through.

@ThanosReXXX You won't read this until tomorrow, but in any case... Having lived through seeing all those WW2 based shooters in the 5th and 6th console generations, it's somehow nostalgic to see (yet ANOTHER) WW2 shooter being made, though I question if it would be any more poignant than past ones. Funny how we all accepted each system having their limitations on each disc based port back then (carts were usually no go), but now companies like Activision and Sledgehammer can't be bothered if it doesn't fit into their relatively recent x86 comfort zone. Porting games has always been difficult, but I guess after the 7th generation, a lot of companies became complacent...

They should be making an entirely new game for NS. I don't think anyone is going to be impressed by a portable WW2 shooter... How about a more controversial title in the vein of a near future Red Alert/ Red Faction? They don't have to always portray the USA as the good guys all the time, either. They could try another perspective, do something interesting, get people talking when they bring it around. I don't think that the CoD franchise ever had the respect for what happened during WW2 as the original Medal of Honor series had, anyways...

In any case, Nintendo needs to do some yeoman's work and convince more people to embrace middleware like UE4 that can readily port and scale to NS. Then there would be less people saying "it can't be done." Well of course not, if the engine isn't scalable... I have a feeling it will take another year for Vulkan to be more widely adopted and used. Probably won't happen until after mainstream AMD Vega GFX cards are released.

@Yosher Rainway

@Priceless_Spork I used to accept the "USA is the hero" narrative until I read from stuff like Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee and Barefoot Gen. Also anything by Chris Hedges, Howard Zinn (since we're on the topic of WW2, especially Zinn), etc... WW2 games usually depict the part where we fought tooth and nail against the most backwardly brainwashed (or cornered) soldiers, and one dimensional tyrants. They tend to leave out the parts where we firebombed (and later cluster bombed) entirely civilian populations for absolutely no reason other than to produce suffering, death, and carnage to destroy morale, even after the war had effectively been won. There are always more than two sides of war. Only the brainwashed or uninformed think it's just two.

So yeah, I have a hard time taking these war games at face value. I don't think it would go over well if this CoD WW2 revisit had a mission where you played as a bomber pilot who had to clear a mission by killing a city full of civilians (German or no) who have no means of fighting back. My grandfather was a flight engineer and bomber pilot in WW2 in the Pacific Ocean field, so it's a subject I would prefer to tread lightly on, but I'm not afraid to be self critical either.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE this game was never going to happen on Switch, there are some that hang waaay out there as even being possible to port, and this was one of those titles. So I don't think MASSIVE BLOW because it would have been more surprising if it was being ported.

Got to remember this game started development 3 years ago and the switch just came out this year, so i think we could next years COD.

@Mainsaile I hate the use of statistics like "console ownership is down in the NA market" because they tend to provide a snapshot of atypical numbers without respect to their origin and try to apply them as a baseline. It's the same flaw that manifests in the trading sphere, with endless amounts of market analysis based on that flaw and leads to market boom-bust cycles constantly.

In the case of NA consoles. Numbers are down. From what, the Atari/NES era? From the SNES/Sega Genesis era? No. Numbers are substantially higher than those eras. Yet those eras were a success. Numbers are down from the Wii/DS era, which was an atypical, short-lived success which the industry seems to attempt to use as a baseline forever.

Numbers may or may not be down from the PS2 era, however there's another perspective: Attach rates are up! Meaning less people that don't buy a lot of games are buying consoles, Considering, particularly non-Nintendo hardware with the exception of WiiU and early 3DS, hardware is actually subsidezed by the manufactuer, lower numbers of hardware sales with a greater attach rate resulting from decreased hardware sales to non-repeat customers is actually a net gains INCREASE.

Statistics don't always show the whole story. Much as people bash the PS4 on Nintendo sites, we owe the PS4 much for revitalizing interest in consoles, of which sales WERE flagging late in the PS3 life cycle.

"Low onboard power and a high price point is generally a poor proposition unless the gimmick is great and that's in a robust market. "

Apple's laughing that one all the way to the bank....which they also bought... In an era where the #1 gaming platform is mobile devices, as radical as it seems, Switch is likely the safe pick. If most of the public plays games on smart devices, one would think it's a lot easier to lure them to a DIFFERENT mobile device that's WAY more powerful and has a superior user experience and can run (wheter Activision is party to it or not) "traditional" games, than it is to lure them to a 1980's VCR box in front of their TV. Whether it works or not (so far its working), I don't think anyone in any industry would say that's not a very smart bet.

Switch's gimmick is two fold. It's the portability, and it's the Nintendo games. The Nintendo games gimmick is tried and true. There's only one way to get Nintendo games. Nintendo hardware. I know someone will snarkily point out the GCN and WiiU didn't work out, but look at all the legendary games on 3DS and GBA in those time periods? The trouble was there were TWO ways to get Nintendo games, and the portable way turned out to be WAY more popular in both cases, so that's the one that sold. Switch unifies them so there's truly one way to get Nintendo games (end of queue for 3DS notwithstanding.) At present we're in an era where mobile devices are the #1 platform, most games are played portably (despite what home console enthusiasts want to believe), and Nintendo games have a great history of being preferred on a mobile platform when a home alternative exists. On top of it all it can be docked to BE a home console to satisfy anyone. So then we get back to the niche...profitable, but niche, group that sits around comparing it to a PS4, which it's somewhat like and somewhat inferior to when trying to behave the same way, instead of comparing it to the far more popular mobile platforms to which it's vastly superior hardware, and in most cases, less money. ($99/free with contract deals, not withstanding.)

I just get amazed at the internet thinking this is still the 16-bit wars and it's about who "wins", meanwhile Nintendo seems to have no interest in competing against Sony and Microsoft in a direct winner take all fashion, and instead are gunning for an entirely different market that happens to overlap Sony/Microsoft in a big way. It's not surprising the internet thinks so inwardly, of course....but it remains amazing

I'd rather play Splatoon.

@NinChocolate I agree, Nintendo is not making a great effort to get 3rd party content on the Switch to expand the library so it appeals to a larger audience. Great points.

Too bad... For them. I'd consider buying it if there were good reviews on the Nintendo Switch.

@Nintendoh It's too hard to tell right now for sure. When Nintendo starts making more than 100 every month to sell to the public, we aren't going to know how popular the system is.

But this "we can't get the parts to make them" BS excuse isn't cutting it. They just don't want their product collecting dust on shelves.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE I still think u shouldn't be in this page. You are asking Nintendo something they will never do. U just don't buy Nintendo products expecting great third parties, u buy Nintendo products for Nintendo stuff. This is how things have been since Game Cube days and how things will be on and on and on. You either accept that fact or complain in every single article about no third party support.

This is why I game in two consoles, Playstation and Nintendo. Is it sad? Yes. Is it lazy? Yes as well. But it ain't changing with Switch.

@JaxonH I have a gaming PC, thank goodness, but no PS4 or Xboner, with no plans to get either because the great big games (outside of FF XV) are on PC now. But right now the Switch has 0 exclusives on it to make me want to own it. And that's sad given its been on the market for 4 months. It looks like Odyessey will be the first, but beyond that, not a lot coming that is like, "you must own a system for this!" I have Splatoon 1, the sequel is adding stuff but will not feel as revolutionally as the first. Otherwise, as others have pointed out, Switch is port city so far.

@Aaron09 It looks like they were. I still can't believe ppl expect third parties on Switch, specially triple A stuff.

@XCWarrior it would just be interesting to know their feelings on how conflicted a part of their fan base eternally is on the topic. You know, aside from the usual "well if we always did what the fans wanted the company would be in ashes" type of line. But I do sympathize with both sides, and for Nintendo's side what little we are privy to via PR

@NEStalgia Exactly! I don't get the point of Sligeach to complain in every possible article other than trolling at this point. Just by reading all the stuff he post, is clear he isn't satisfy with Nintendo "efforts" in the gaming arena. So why even bother being a fan of the company. Just admit that your tastes have change and move on to something more of your liking. Why keep torturing yourself with a console or company that you just think does virtually everything wrong. And above all, why keep everybody on this page at the edge with such posting. I truly believe he just wants to trigger people here on and on and on.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE "Massive blow". To what? Is the PS4's lack of portability a massive blow to its chances of success? Is the lack of Breath of the Wild, Splatoon 2, Mario Odyssey etc al a massive blow to the PC gaming community? No. Because different systems provide different experiences with success.

No one expected WWII to come to Switch. The system is not selling out everywhere because everyone's waiting to have COD LAN parties later in the year. It's not built for Switch, everyone knows it; and they'll either play it on another system, or play Mario Odyssey instead.

@Jessica286 It's because he and I remember when Nintendo was doing a lot more things right than wrong.

I'm still enjoying the heck out of my 3DS right now. Glad it has games coming out for it for another year at least.

But for right now the Switch's success appears to be smoke and mirrors. They need to find a way to make more to see if it is actually popular.

If they actually made the same number of Switches and SNES Minis this holiday, I wouldn't be shocked if its SNES Mini that sells more.

@electrolite77 Exactly my point. Complaining non-stop won't change anything. If he wants those third parties then buy the console that gets those third parties. Sorry to break people bubbles but Switch will not get most of third party offerings.

@Ralizah Switch isn't getting 95% of the big Western AAA games that release. And, really, it doesn't need them to be successful: what it does need is robust first-party and Japanese third party support, like the 3DS enjoyed.

AGREEE!!!!! You are on point. Also, Nintendo has abandon the hardcore market a long time ago.

@Priceless_Spork the Russians would disagree with that they certainly came out ahead after WWII.

Oh no! The Switch isn't getting a port of a boring brown/grey army man game starring a floating gun. How will I survive.

@bolt05 Lets be honest here. This section is this long cause some ppl mark this as the Switch doom beginning and got ppl trigger.

@XCWarrior It's because he and I remember when Nintendo was doing a lot more things right than wrong.

Yes but that was in the SNES era, the SNES ERA!! Nintendo has said repeatedly that they abandon the power race and quite frankly with the Switch it seems they have also abandon the home console market and is more focus on portable gaming. Can I blame them after the Wii U being a massive flop and 3DS still selling? No. They will go where the market takes them. They as a company just don't see a point in competing against Sony and Microsoft and try to gain back the hardcore gamers which at this point are mostly PS fanboys to the bone. They see a blue ocean with the portable gaming and they went for it. So again, you can complain non-stop here and keep doing practically every NLife user life miserable by reading your stuff or you can do yourself a favor and others as well and move on to a gaming platform that actually caters to your gaming tastes. I used to complain non-stop to Nintendo, know what? I got tired of it and decided to buy a Playstation 2. After that has been Playstation and Nintendo and I have never look back.

@XCWarrior "Nintendo is not making a great effort to get 3rd party content on the Switch to expand the library so it appeals to a larger audience. Great points."

Yeah, thats why the Switch hasn't been selling well...oh wait...

And as far as your "wider audience" comment, you got it backwards, bro, way backwards.

@Jessica286 "It's because he and I remember when Nintendo was doing a lot more things right than wrong."

You mean like the way the company is marketing the Switch? BOOM! CW scores 1, Jessica scores 0.

Come on, you had it comin'.

Call of Duty has become the video game equivalent of the Simpsons in my life. It was part of my childhood but I have since stopped caring to the point I occasionally forget that they are still making more.

Why would anyone want this on the Switch? The game has been developed to target XO/PS4 performance targets, and to run at 60fps. To get it running on what is, let's face it, vastly less powerful hardware, huge compromises would have to be made.

It would be a completely pointless exercise.

I played CoD once... that's enough for anyone.

Seriously ultra realism in graphics isn't the end-game anymore. It's nice for sure, it's a great bone to be thrown that's about it.

People are demonstrating with their wallet that they want good games.

The Wii U was an "ok" console with a terrible OS and archaic Network and Storage hardware and infrastructure.

The Switch however, has much promise. That's all that can be said at this point, no one really knows more than that.

Storage hardware is no longer an issue and graphics support is much easier to port and develop for with Nvidia behind the plastic. We'll just have to wait and see where it goes from here.

@XCWarrior
The "we can't get the parts to make them" excuse isn't an excuse; it's reality.

Several analysts, including the WSJ and the Financial Times, have indicated that key Switch components (LCD displays, NAND flash memory, and HD Rumble motors) are in short supply due to extremely high demand from various tech companies, including Apple in particular.

The "Nintendo is limiting their stock to artificially drive demand" is and always has been a stupid conspiracy theory, with little basis in reality or economic theory.

Why should they bother? Hardcore Nintendo fans don't buy third party games.

Really couldn't care less. I have no desire to play CoD nor do my kids.

Even if an awesome definitive version was released on Switch it wouldn't sell. The Nintendo base and those wanting CoD, Battlefield and GTA do not significantly overlap.

Similarly, I don't believe Breath of the Wild would have sold significantly more had it been on the PS4.

@Mainsaile
I don't disagree. I really don't. But games that are popular due to online MP requiring twitch reflexes... aren't going to do well on Switch. The better games are the single player ones or local MP ones that work with the portability. We've seen over and over that, despite the vocal minority in the fanbase, it's never worked trying to sell a unique system with the same games that power PS4/X1. It didn't work for Wii (look at 3rd party game sales, they're nothing for a 100m install base), it didn't work for Vita, it didn't work for Wii U, and it won't work for Switch. It can certainly help, for some systems more than others, and I certainly welcome as many games as possible...

But that's up to third parties. Nintendo seems to be reaching out for games that make sense (Skyrim is a good choice because it will appeal to the Zelda fans, and Rocket League will have local MP and would work fine with phone hotspot), and I hope they continue to do so. Obviously the more games that come the better. But unlike other consoles, Nintendo holds the fate of Switch in their own hands. Only thing I can think of that would be a huge blow is if Nintendo slowed the rate they are pumping out these quality games.

Aaaaaand this hurts no one but the saltiest of people. I've never bought Call of Duty or Battlefield. I have a PS3 & PS4 and still have never had an urge to even try those games. They're just so stale. Now Splatoon 2? Yes. That's the kind of shooter I want on my precious Switch and its my most anticipated title for this year, I believe. Outside of maybe a Dragon Quest X surprise... This bit of news means nothing to me and I implore anyone who is upset by this to take a deep breath and be patient. We'll get something eventually. It just probably won't be this year or next year. But something will come if the Switch sells well and people really want it.

But no, I still don't give a flying f***.

That's fine with me, no one should expect the heavier games to have a direct NS port, especially from Activision. Maybe some sort of spin-off or as someone mentioned up top, a release of the Modern Warfare remaster would be nice.

And no, this doesnt mean that NS gamers are clamoring for weaker 3rd party support. We want games, but expecting a game that was announced at the end of April to all of a sudden have NS support is completely unreasonable.

I'm sure they're looking to stay away for now. Skylanders Imaginators on NS likely sold like crap (and for good reason, it sucks). Honestly, if their idea of support are shoddy ports of their toys-to-life games....good riddance. Give us Crash Bandicoot, then I'll care about Activision.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE A blow? I don't think so.
I think you are in a minority of people in here who are even remotely interested in CoD. Let's face it, they are shallow, over budgeted, formulaic and void of imagination. But then again, somebody keeps purchasing tickets for those Transformers films...

CoD kind of sucks man. But I do want some original mature titles on Switch, to carve out it's own unique identity with regards to those genres. More exclusive reasons to buy a Switch generally.

It's fine, it's nice to have a clear answer from the devs.

It also allows me as a consumer to make a decision to buy Activision products from second hand. Not that they have any games that interest me recently, but still.

@InternetBowser I used to play a lot of first person shooters. The gameplay was normally alright, but what got me into Halo, CoD, Battleftont, FEAR, Fallout3, and Left4Dead were the unique stories and gameplay elements. Nowadays, most FPS games either have no single player or tack on the least fun and unoriginal story that you can play through in 5 hours and never feel the urge to revisit. Also, couch co-op made most of those games for me, which is something most modern shooters refuse to add because then the game wouldn't look graphically perfect. Fun was always more important than graphics. I have no idea why so many gaming companies have become obsessed with them. Nintendo games still look beautiful without ultra-real mocap characters played by hollywood actors. Loving the Switch, don't think I'll ever be purchasing a Sony or Microsoft system again at this rate. Happy gaming!

Even though I own a PS4 if I wanted them...I hate the Call Of Duty games to begin with...however, it is one license that would help sell the Switch further down the years. The Switch may be selling now, but how well if the stock issue was met? Once again, it's looking like the Wii or the Wii U years. Hopefully it doesn't turn into the Wii U with the 3rd part offerings, but if it stays as the Wii's days, it still has plenty of support. They could stay make the COD games, just different ones, but it's showing that most of the AAA games from other studios, won't be heading towards the system, but different versions of it. Kind of makes you wonder how Elder's Scrolls will truly look on the Switch.

@sp_initiate-001 Except that 1 important factor isn't relevant. Doesn't matter if a system is 5 months or 5 years old, install base is install base, companies are going to make games where they think they can sell the most.

No third party support is bad for Switch. You know it event if you do not play COD. Many people do.

@ThanosReXXX "So, the Switch wouldn't have to have next gen PC games down-ported to it, only mid-range games."

But aren't you the one (could be someone else) who is always saying games are made in higher res and then downscaled to the hardware they are on? So CoD is made for the master PC race but then downscaled to the SP4 and X1. So therefore even though PS4 and X1 can run it, they are still running a new PC game that's been downsized, so the Switch would require even slightly more downsizing to run what is in essence a new PC game. And my understanding is Switch is more different from PS4 and X1 then those 2 are from each other, so harder to port.

If we already agreed on everything else and we're arguing for no reason, my apologies.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Yes, this is going to injure Nintendo because this hasn't been the fastest selling console of the generation (only slowed down by supply chain) with lines still forming in Japan to purchase the limited quantity.

Here is the thing with third parties. If there are enough systems sold, they will be come scratching for a piece of the pie. Sledgehammer the developer might not want to make one, but if Activision, their publisher, says they want Call of Duty on the system it will happen. Either Sledgehammer or another developer will make it eventually, the system is becoming too big to ignore.

@Dakt True, IW7 is of course a much newer engine, and has added features tailored to the current platforms specifically, but what I'm trying to say is that, in the same vein as they did with 5, they can add all of the features from 7 that WILL work on the Switch, to version 6, which will do just fine on the Switch seeing as the Wii U could comfortably handle 5, and make yet another custom version, just like they did on the Wii U, and just like other parties, such as EA, are doing.

So, I don't think I'm forgetting anything at all. All I'm trying to do is to think in solutions instead of in problems. I am speculating on what could be possible, and you keep putting up hurdles to show why something is not possible, which serves little to no purpose.

And all those man hours, bug testing, trial and error, play testing, etc. were also done on the Wii U, so saying that this wouldn't be possible for the Switch, a more powerful system with a much more lenient architecture in comparison to the Wii U, is highly presumptuous.

The Switch simply is NOT lacking in CPU and GPU because it's not a 1 to 1 comparison: as far as mobile/smart SoC's are concerned, the Tegra is pretty much top of the line, certainly in its price bracket.

RAM is also not an issue: twice as much as on the Wii U, and faster RAM too. The hardware and the simple fact that it loads from cartridge mean that it will operate in a different way, so that too is not directly comparable. We can't just say "well, the other systems have 8GB of RAM, so the Switch only has 50% of that capacity in comparison". 4GB in this type of device is actually pretty good, and all the processes inside the hardware are handled differently compared to the other systems, so AGAIN, no direct comparison possible. That's WAY too black and white...

Assets only need to be downscaled, and heavier effects, such as HDR, removed, much like scaling in Unreal Engine 4. I'm pretty sure that it will be more complicated/difficult/time consuming in custom engines not directly supported by the Switch, but to say that it is (as good as) impossible, is WAY too soon to tell, at least for now...

I'm pretty confident that other factors weigh in a lot more, such as the ones I already mentioned in earlier comments: dev kit availability & distribution and the already way too far along development cycles of current AAA titles, meaning that the Switch is just too young for them.

And although we will definitely not see all of them on the Switch, I'm fully expecting to see rising numbers of bigger titles on the Switch next year, or with titles following the ones that are out now.

And this will DEFINITELY happen, if Nintendo can keep the successful run, that the Switch is now having, going. Publishers go where the money is, so if the Switch becomes this HUGE success like the Wii, then titles like COD will come, regardless of the weaker hardware.

@Priceless_Spork That's a good question. I did and this article from 2012 about the Russian gaming scene. I wonder if anything has changed since then, as it seems piracy was the name of the game then as new games were expensive there.

http://kotaku.com/5955739/welcome-to-russia-where-most-of-your-friends-are-video-game-pirates

@Jessica286 "Nintendo abandoned the hardcore market a long time ago."

I'll have to disagree with you on that one. It is true that, during the Wii era, Nintendo increased their focus on casual gamers, but that was only in the hopes of converting them into avid gamers. Evidence of such truth resulted in the fact that there were more than a handful of "core" titles coming from the house of N within the likes of Skyward Sword, Metroid Prime and Mario galaxy for Wii owners to enjoy.

The truth, simply put, is that Nintendo has never and likely never will abandon the company's core audience.

Why? Mainly because many of the company's most lucrative franchises are core titles. Think about it.

@PlywoodStick I wouldn't call UE4 middleware...

Agreed on the work that Nintendo has to do, but I already mentioned that in a previous comment, or maybe in another thread.

Anyway, personally, I much prefer first person shooters with a realistic setting. I don't play them all too often in the first place, and these real stories of men that actually lived and events that actually happened, pull me in much more than any flying, exo-suit wearing, lasergun shooting futuristic hero can do.

Those scenarios should be reserved for the Halo's, Destiny's, Overwatches and Gears of Wars of this world. These can also be fun at times, but the sentiment is different, and you know what you're getting into. Call of Duty, like it's now withered away opponent Medal of Honor, was always about real wars and real battles, not about some crazy space age theme.

But I can understand your personal sentiments towards glorifying what should not be glorified in the first place. And besides all the civilians, most soldiers were also victims. They had to do what they were told. During WW1, people were even executed for refusing to fight, even on "our" side.

But still, I don't agree with people that say that the great wars have been done to death and that this is why we should have to look forward to make belief stuff only. There are so many, MANY stories never told before, you can even see that in new documentaries that are produced almost every year.

My grandfather from the Dutch side of our family was captured by the Germans and forced to work in a bicycle repair factory, and although that is not a combat story, it only goes to show that each of us might have a relative in the family with his or her own story concerning the war.

As for Vulkan, the concept sounds great, and it almost seems tailor-made for devices like the Switch, but to be honest, I haven't seen a hell of a whole lot of result from it, as of yet. But I'm pretty sure that it is a piece of middleware that is going to become more mainstream in the near future.

@rjejr No need to apologize, my grey-locked friend...
If I wouldn't be able to stomach a bit of discussion or disagreement, then I'd better reserve my spot in the Golden Acres retirement home a couple of years sooner than planned...

And we actually do agree, I just misunderstood you there. Yes, in the sense that ALL games are first developed on PC workstations and then down-ported to X1/PS4, these games are originally "next gen" games, but I actually believe that when development starts, they already work inside a frame of the platform it's supposed to be on, so that not too much down-scaling needs to be done, a rough cut if you will, that will only need minor tweaking once its assets are moved to a console development kit.

So, if those games are developed in Unreal Engine 4, then that engine already has the necessary tool sets incorporated, to tailor/fine tune the game even more towards the platform that it is supposed to work on. And that can be done for the Switch too, so drop 1080p to 720p, remove HDR, advanced lighting and shadows, overly complex graphical effects, etc. etc. or whatever, and the game can and will run on Tegra X1 hardware.

And yes, it's different, but it's not THAT different (as in compared to the difference in architecture with the Wii U).

From all reports on the subject, it is said that down-porting from x86 environments to ARM based platforms is actually relatively easy, certainly in comparison with going from x86 to PowerPC architecture.

But forget about the hardware for a minute: the most important thing is engine compatibility, which the Switch has. The engine takes care of a lot of things, so as long as the game is tailored towards the engine, the work to scale it to fit to the more humble hardware can begin.

And contrary to popular belief, that's not an insurmountable hurdle at all, because that engine compatibility means that the product/game is already more than halfway there...

Well I think it's a shame, because I personally LOVE World War 1+2 settings so I was really looking forward to getting it on the Switch. Now I'll just wait until it comes down to £25 over Black Friday/Christmas and get it for my Xbox One. Even more of a shame as I was really hoping to try and finish my Xbox One back catalogue so I could sell it, now it looks like I'll have to keep it for games like this that interest me but skip the Switch.

Who cares about some crap that's STILL running on a modified Quake 3 engine from 1999? Idiots will buy anything.

@ThanosReXXX "so drop 1080p to 720p, remove HDR, advanced lighting and shadows, overly complex graphical effects, etc. etc."

Maybe Activison doesn't want to put out a version of CoD that looks that poor? It's hard to say that's a reason if evil EA is willing to put out a subpar version of FIFA 18, but I do think FIFA will sell a lot better on Switch than CoD will.

I mean, if Activision puts out a version on Switch does that then bring up the issue of PS3 and Xbox360 owners demanding their own version, with them saying "If Switch can run it, our console can run it." They just went thru that last year, dumping those 2 sysetms, so maybe this year they again wanted to focus on making the best graphics they could focusing on X1 and PS4 and not having to worry about a Switch version?

Like I said, I think next year, if Ntinedo can actually make enough Switch to make it a viable platform, Activision might reconsider, especially if it looks like Xbox1S and 1X aren't cutting it. PS4 Pro is only selling 20% of PS4, not sure how well X1X will do. Switch could become worth investing in a port to make a few more $.

@Dakt No, you completely misunderstand me, I'm not going for wishful thinking, I'm going for possibilities, solutions, like I already said before. You're obstructing yourself by not getting out of your closed-off box. No offense meant, and maybe I'm completely misreading you, but you seem hell-bent on forcing your opinion/idea on me, and can't seem to even come close to something that looks like middle ground.

I don't mind the discussion, and no one is in agreement with someone else all the time, but there are also extremes. I bring up more than enough valid points for anyone to at least partially agree, but you simply dispute them all, with basically no other info than the same info that you've already used before.

And in case if that is what you are trying/aiming to do: trying to "over-tech talk" a guy who's been in IT-related sales & marketing for over 20 years is never going to work...

And if you weren't, then my bad. Forget I said so.

The reason I brought up UE4 is for comparison. I know full well that one is a custom engine, and the other is not, and that one of the two is officially supported, but that was besides the point. Forget I mentioned it. Moving on...

It is an indisputable fact that you cannot do a 1 to 1 comparison of ARM and x86 hardware, so you can try that till the cows come home, but it is not going to fly, like EVER. The architecture is different, CPU threads, memory buses, access speeds and so on and so on.

You seem to keep doing that 1 to 1 comparison, and I'll just keep on telling you that it just doesn't work that way, because you can't compare different kinds of hardware like that. As in NEVER.

Oh, and that 6GB available is arguable: I have indeed read about that, but quite a few sites and reviews mention that the PS4 and/or the Xbox One only have either around 4.5GB - 5GB max available for games. From the total 8GB, a good 3 point something is occupied for purposes of the OS, services and other layers on both systems. On the Xbox One, around 1.5GB is reserved for each non-game related layer, so on that console as well around 5GB is available.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ps3-system-software-memory
http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/ps4-vs-xbox-720-which-is-better-1127315/2

An x86 based console having around 4.5 - 5GB available for games, is proportionate to an ARM based device having 3 - 3.5GB available for games, and as you will know, the Switch doesn't have to juggle as many balls as the other two, what with the lesser features and all, and the OS in itself is lighter as well.

Obviously, that doesn't mean that they're equal, not even in a relative way, but it does mean that more is possible.

As for what I proposed, that's no different than what they did on the Wii U: that was also taking content out of a more modern version of their engine and adding them to an older one. Whether or not the engine is re-purposed or rebuilt doesn't matter all that much in that regard. And it would be porting down one gen, not two, since I proposed they'd use v6, not v5. The Switch would surely be able to run a higher version of the engine than the Wii U, even if it's not the most recent one.

And I actually have both COD's on Wii U, and besides the odd and tiny hiccup here and there, the games run fine and I've finished both of them without ever noticing any major issues, so I would say that my earlier statement of IW5.0 running fine on Wii U largely stands.

@rjejr "Maybe Activison doesn't want to put out a version of CoD that looks that poor? "

Wonder what they did with those 5 COD titles on the Wii then. Those must have looked horrible to them, by comparison. Personally, I actually thoroughly enjoyed them, even though I already played them on the Xbox 360. Must have been that superior Wii remote control...

And the Switch is well above and beyond what the Xbox 360 can do, so the Switch potentially getting a COD game, should in no way be a valid reason or an incentive for the older consoles to get one as well. Porting to ARM is easier than porting to PowerPC, which is what both the Xbox 360 and PS3 are based upon.

Like with the Wii, when the market share is there, money can be made by all these big publishers, and they will at the very least give us a couple of their titles.

Mark my words. Numbers bring opportunities, brings target audience, brings profits. No self-respecting company is going to walk away from that, not in a million years...

@MsgBoardGamer The Wii actually got 5 COD games, with varying success, but they did get them. If the Switch can get close to Wii success, then it too will get these kinds of titles. Maybe not all of them, but definitely some...

I never understood y people come on these sites that are specific to certain things and just talk bad about it. If you dont like it or feel certain way against it y waste your time on something you dont support. TBH that why i dont really like coming on here anymore or ANY websites that are like this for that matter. @nintendolife i understand this is a community and everyone has there right to speak but trolls to me shouldnt be welcome to a site that people like to come and disgust something they enjoy.

@electrolite77 I was not calling the 3DS niche.

Stop asking... Nintendo has always had a different userbase to the other consoles, so it obviously won't sell as well, causing a backlash with the developers which will put them off developing for the Switch in the future.
The fact that they're not shows that they're thinking about it properly now (not just jumping in head-first as they've done in the past) and are putting their priorities in the right places, which is better for everyone.

No means NO MONEY for you then.

At least they're more honest than the No Man's Sky crew. Still, a real shame. Portable fun is a major plus for any game in my book.

@Dakt My main goal is not common ground, in general it is to have a meaningful discussion, especially if large amounts of text are exchanged, otherwise it would just feel like an exercise in futility to me.

Good to see you can take some criticism, so compliments for that, and it was not an ad hominem attack. The reason I mentioned it, is because I used to sell graphical workstations and CAD systems, so I know more than enough of the innards of those systems and what they can and cannot do. That professional knowledge is also what got me more interested in the same stuff were it concerns consoles, so I'm simply applying what I know and have learned to that.

How I interpreted your comments, was that they were getting a bit more technical as we went along, and I just wanted to clarify that I know hardware, so you weren't about to sway me with tech talk. But not in an offensive way, otherwise I wouldn't have put in all those disclaimers like "no offense" and all that.

Also, a small correction: I wasn't talking about getting IW7.0 to work on the Switch, but IW6.0 with any possible assets from 7.0 that might work on the Switch. I don't know if that's really feasible, but I won't rule it out until someone that ACTUALLY knows (which is neither of us) tells me differently.

The reason I speculated on this is, as I said before, they did this with v5, which was not really a full blown version 5, but a modded version with some assets of 5, so probably it was essentially IW4.0 Deluxe, so to speak.

I never expected the complete version of IW7.0 to work on the Switch: that would be ludicrous. But that goes for nearly every other engine in full capacity as well. Unreal Engine 4 will sure as hell also not be maxed out on the Switch.

But all of that doesn't exclude that simplified versions of these engines can't run on it. Remove all the fancy stuff like HDR and disable/lessen every other part of said engine that is too taxing for the hardware, and you would still be able to get a more or less similar version of a game on your platform.

The Wii got them, so why not the Switch? And yes, this is a much newer engine, but I'm absolutely sure that if the Switch gains momentum and the market share becomes interesting enough for those third parties, that some of these titles will definitely come to the Switch, because it will then be a simple case of additional profits to be made, but the balance between time/effort/investments vs profits must first tip over in favor of the latter for third parties to become interested.

Until then, we'll only see minor efforts, or indeed custom efforts like Fifa and/or Mario+Rabbids.

And of course the Switch can't do exactly the same as the other two can do, but that was already obvious, since the others are actual home consoles, and the Switch is a hybrid handheld/mini console based on ARM tech.

But that is why I also said "proportionately". An ant is not more powerful than a man, but proportionately, it can lift more weight than a man.

That's not entirely applicable, but I hope you get the point anyways, since it ties into the "not being able to do a 1 to 1 comparison" thing. It's apples and oranges. ARM device vs x86 device. Never was it going to have the same specs or the same capabilities as those other two, but that STILL doesn't exclude the Switch being a capable device for what it is, and that there certainly are possibilities to bring ANY engine to it in some shape or form, whether or not that's in a considerably simpler form.

I also don't think that there's a considerably larger gap to take into account. The Switch is more powerful than the Wii U, and contrary to the Wii U, less GPU focused, so if anything, the gap is smaller. Not by much, but smaller nonetheless.

And here's a relevant NLife article on that RAM and on how you cannot compare that correctly to the others:
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/10/nintendo_switch_to_reportedly_include_4gb_of_ram

As for that available RAM on the PS4, I'm actually genuinely surprised by that, since in my search for information yesterday, those links I provided were the most prominent ones that came up.

According to what I've read, those other numbers primarily apply to the PS4 Pro, and that would make sense too, but as we all know, the standard PS4 will remain the primary platform to work on, since all games must work with all versions of the PS4, much like how it will go with the Xbox One: base models are leading in development, so the lower numbers stand.

https://www.polygon.com/2016/10/21/13358416/ps4-pro-extra-ram-memory
The standard PS4 seems to have some trick up its sleeve memory-wise, but it isn't as clear cut as you might think it is:
https://www.geek.com/games/ps4-gives-5-5gb-of-ram-to-games-out-of-8gb-1563583/
https://www.vg247.com/2013/07/26/ps4-has-up-to-5-5gb-of-ram-for-developers-4-5gb-guaranteed-1gb-of-flexible-memory/
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8522

But enough tech talk. In the end, only time will tell what will happen, so as for big third party titles support on the Switch: I guess we'll find out, if ever the Switch reaches the numbers to make it sufficiently interesting for third party publishers to jump in with more of their titles.

And sure, the effort will probably still be considerable, but the rewards will then be relative to or better than what they have to put in, effort-wise making it more than interesting enough to release their games on it anyway, as has happened so many times before, and as will keep happening, because all companies like to make money...

@MsgBoardGamer Ah okay, fair enough. Consider my earlier comment as largely missing the point, then...

@MsgBoardGamer I am curious though: what exactly do you mean by "generational shift in HD/high-resolution game development"? More advanced HD? Seeing as all of these titles were on Xbox 360/PS3 there wasn't really that much of a generational/paradigm shift possible, so that's why I'm asking.

I'm probably completely misunderstanding what you're trying to say, but as far as I know, only COD 3 was also previously released on non-HD consoles, but other than that, all COD console titles have been HD games. Except for the Wii versions, obviously.

@SLIGEACH_EIRE Massive blow? Hardly, Call of Duty games are best played on PC, playing them on consoles is always a heavily compromised experience with sub-par input.

Comparisons to the Wii U are kind of pointless considering the Switch is outselling the Wii U by such a huge margin: the install base will be there, and third party games come as a result. As for compromised controls, in what manner? Holding the joycons separately is far more comfortable to me than any other console controller.

@Guspaz The Switch isn't outselling the Wii U by a huge margin. The Switch is selling best in Japan, it passed the 1 million mark last week, putting it ahead of the Wii U by <150,000 for the same sale period.

@ThanosReXXX "No self-respecting company"

So no EA games then?

@CircuitWrangler3 When they refuse to use industry standard or up-to-date hardware then yes they have abandon the hardcore crow and have do so since the N64 days. In fact if you think about it, Nintendo has never mean power. Sega hardware was always better but they didn't succeed, Sony had the luck of succeeding ending Nintendo's reign.

@electrolite77 damn right!! quotingception!!! LOL

@CircuitWrangler3 do you know I was quoting someone else do you?

Boom me 100, you 0.

@rjejr Ah, you got me there... Good one.

What people are asking about this game for the Switch? Who actually cares about COD games anymore?

@NEStalgia

You do a nice job of articulating both the risk and the way it could...even may likely...pay off. I definitely skate along the spectrum...excited, cautiously optimistic, and skeptical at different times but I remain a fan.

Love,

The Internet.

@ThanosReXXX So what did the guy who still considers himself an American do in the Netherlands for 4th of July? We didn't' do anything except go out to eat and watch fireworks on TV. My whole family is as lazy as I am.

@rjejr Same here, nothing special. Treated myself to a nice, home made pasta Bolognese, and watched some TV, nothing special either, just regular, Dutch commercial TV. I may not be completely Dutch (although my ID card does say so), but I certainly AM completely Amsterdamned, so no American fireworks on TV for me...

They do have Fox, Spike and Comedy Channel over here, along with the obligatory National Geographic, Discovery and History Channel, and quite a few other international channels, so we're quite well off, where shows and series are concerned.

And of course the occasional download... Currently working my way through the first two seasons of Supergirl. Had to get used to her look a bit, because at first, I didn't see her as a good match, but she proved me wrong.

And I also had to get used to a big, muscular (and black) Jimmy Olsen, but other than that, I'm actually quite enjoying the series.

Also nice to see all the old stars from all those "other" Superman-related series make their guest appearances, much like they did with The Flash.

@rjejr As for celebrations: over here, we have May as the primary month of festivities, because of WW2. On the 4th of May, it is remembrance day, and on the 5th, we celebrate being liberated by the Americans. Was a bit weird for me at first, but nowadays, I'm completely integrated...

@ThanosReXXX So you celebrate rescuing yourself? Works for me.

We don't watch Supergirl unless it's a crossover episode. We've watched all of Flash and Arrow since day 1 - my wife is friends w/ 1 of the creators - first season of Legends but not the 2nd b/c the 1st was so bad and I've read the 2nd is worse. We're watching Marvel's Agents of Shield w/ my son - just started season 3 - and my wife and I are watching the Marvel shows on Netflix, finished season 1 of Daredevil and Jessica Jones. My family is all about the comics. My kids are even reading my 30 year old ones.

I'm kind of looking forward to finishing all of the old shows so I can get back to serious gaming, another 2 months or so I think.

@rjejr Rescuing myself? Doing that on a daily basis...
But all joking aside, I'm just going with the flow over here, since obviously, I wasn't born yet, so I wasn't in need of any war heroes...

And wait, what? You've just recently started watching Agents of Shield? So, binge watching, or did you just mean season 3?

Besides Agents, I've also watched the first season of Legion. What an utterly weird series that was, not at ALL what I expected it to be, compared to the comics. But hey, somehow I still managed to work my way through the entire season...

I've also seen all episodes of Arrow and The Flash, up til now, but I haven't started on Legends of Tomorrow yet. You can only watch so much after all. Still got a life to lead and a (small) business to run...

Now that I'm typing this, I'm also wondering what happened to Gotham over here. I know season 4 is up, but they have only broadcasted the first season over here. Probably not enough viewers, so I guess I'll have to download that as well...

Other series on my "to watch" list are Dare Devil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Jessica Jones and the aforementioned Legends of Tomorrow. And I'm going to watch all seasons. I don't give a crap about what critics write. Nine out of ten don't even understand the shows or the source material that they are based upon, so their opinion is worth less than nothing.

Besides Supergirl, which really is an entertaining show in its own right (so perhaps you should give that a fair try besides just watching the crossovers), I'm currently also watching Preacher, which is definitely not for the younger kids, but definitely a great "comics to real life show" conversion. Has quite a bit of gore in it, but it is all in a tongue in cheek kind of way, so far as I'm concerned, easily digestible in the context of the show.

I recently finished Outcast, another great show, also more adult-oriented, and also with quite a bit of gore, but no tongue in cheek there. All dark and gloomy, but what else could you expect from the creator of the Walking Dead?

Besides all that, I also watch The Blacklist and its spinoff Redemption, NCIS, Hawaii Five O (although now that the Asian actors have left, I'm kind of apprehensive towards the upcoming season), and there's a ton of other shows/series that I've watched which are now on a break or may not be coming back at all anymore, such as The Last Ship, Quantico, Colony and Minority Report.

Most of them are either suspense, comics-related or crime solving shows, so that's what interests me in general. And talent shows, and comedy, mostly standup, but also some series.

So, more than enough on my TV plate, and still more that I still want to watch, but eventually, I'll get there...

@ThanosReXXX We started watching Shield about a month ago just so we had something to do w/ our son, keeping it all in the family. My wife and I watched the first 4 eps when it originally aired but they were so bad we stopped. Almost all of season 2 was that bad but so far the first 4 eps of season 3 have been good. I'm a big Ghost Rider fan - 70's and 90's versions - so I'm looking forward to how that plays out.

Want to watch Preacher but I don't think it's on Netflix or Amazon yet, and I've stopped pirating stuff after too many warning emails from my internet provider. And I don't pay for stuff if I can help it. Well I pay for Amazon and Netflix, but i use them enough price is ok, I'm not paying $2-$3 per episode. And I just finished season 1 of Breaking Bad, first 5 eps were boring, 6 & 7 were good. I'll restart in the fall, it's not a summer show.

Never watched Gotham. Inhumans starts in the fall, Marvel AoS in the spring so I think we'll be caught up by then. FYI Defenders soon on Netflix - DD, JJ, Cage and Iron Fist. Only 8 eps August 18th, looking forward to that one. No way I'm caught up by then though, probably September for us. Oh well.

@rjejr If they keep releasing new series that are fun to watch, then neither of us is ever going to catch up, ever...

That skipping episodes/entire seasons is something that seems entirely not done to me: there's always stuff in later episodes of series referring to those earlier seasons and so on, and of course the occasional tie-in with either a movie or another series, so you're potentially missing out on quite a big chunk of the story line.

Unless you're one of those guys that simply Googles the story gaps and informs himself about the what's what in that way...

Never had any warning from my provider, though. Didn't know it was already that strict over in the US, or is it different per provider?

Either way, I'm like you in that respect: on my set top box, I've got quite a few channels such as Fox, with good shows in the standard and/or plus package, but HBO, Netflix and the like are all behind a paywall, and no way in hell am I going to pay a monthly fee on top of what I'm already paying just to be able to see a number of additional series, that I'd like to watch as well.

There's so much stuff on these pay per view channels that I don't find interesting at all, so I don't feel that it's justified that I would have to subscribe to them just for the couple of Marvel and DC series, and series like Game of Thrones, which I also watch, and forgot to mention earlier...

So, because of that, I do the occasional download. Not much, but somewhere around one or two seasons of a particular series every month, so I'm not exactly a massive offender in the first place.

Other than that, there are multiple ways to not be prosecuted by your provider. First off, use a VPN or IP hider, and second, give this a try: http://mywatchseries.to

It's my go to free streaming service for nearly all series and movies, so maybe it'll be a good solution for you as well.

Thanks for reminding me of Inhumans, added it to the "to watch" list. But then again: if they're going to broadcast it over here as well, then I'll see the commercials well before they ever start the first season...

Oh, and Gotham is a great series. Well, at least, if you also like Batman. A lot of great references and origin stories of a whole lot of heroes and villains in there, and the entire series revolves around the exploits of a young commissioner Gordon, and they also did that quite convincingly, so I would certainly recommend it to anyone who is even remotely interested in the Batman mythos.

@rjejr And here you go:
http://mywatchseries.to/serie/preacher

@MsgBoardGamer Yeah, eventually I kind of figured that this is what you were talking about.

At first I thought you were talking about the difference between the earlier and the later versions of CoD on the HD platforms, and because I didn't really see that jump in graphics/aesthetics, having also played all these games on the Xbox 360, I didn't get that. Also in relation to the Wii, because I had the means to compare them on both platforms.

So, I thought: what is he on about? Both CoD 2 & 3 were reruns, because they were also on the original Xbox, so from those to CoD 4: Modern Warfare was not so much a jump in last gen graphics but more a natural evolution by means of it being the first title being developed on the hardware from the ground up.

And since then, much like any other game or series, games started to look better and better progressively, because of the developers getting to know the hardware, so slight improvements in AI and cosmetics were to be expected at some point.

So, as you can imagine, I kind of got lost in that train of thought...

But anyway, now that we've corrected that misunderstanding, we can move on...

Obviously, the Wii versions were low res, but other than that, the games were pretty much intact. And I still really enjoyed playing them, also because of the Wii remote's instant point and shoot function, which were superior to any joypad.

Funny thing is that the difference between CoD 3 & 4 was almost non-existent on the Wii, so the transition there (other than going from WW2 to modern warfare) was actually smoother...

Now, the gap in fidelity between the Switch and Xbox One/PS4 is much smaller than it was during the Wii era, so the gap in fidelity would naturally also be smaller.

The only issue would probably be the online/multiplayer experience, something that these games heavily rely on, so that part is understandable to some degree, because of the disparity in horsepower and online services.

@ThanosReXXX Thanks for the link, but I think I'm going to have to go w/ playing it safe on this one. Over the past 6 months I've been on the phone w/ my mom twice about PC infections. Once my dad even called the phone number, I still can't believe he did that.

https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/watch-series.com

I'm sure I'll get to see Preacher eventually, and when I have time. I rented Rogue One: A Star Wars story from Redbox a few weeks ago, on Netflix this month. Could have saved $2.

@ThanosReXXX Most of the shows we watch are "free-on-demand" w/ my $150 monthly cable bill, so not exactly free, but easy to watch on the box w/ 10 minutes less commercials. My sister lends me her HBO for GoT. Warning emails from cable providers have been going out for a few years now in the states.

https://torrentfreak.com/six-strikes-copyright-alert-warns-subscribers-for-dangerous-p2p-software-130617/

Not that it was doing any good.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/six-strikes-and-youre-not-even-close-to-out-internet-security-task-force-calls-for-end-of-copyright-alert-system-300082007.html

@rjejr Don't do too much thinking, you can trust me. I'm a VERY security-minded person, and probably the most alert one in my entire circle of friends and family, so if I suggest a site or a link to anyone, then you can bet that it is safe. Or as the Dutch would say it: "I would stick my hands in a fire for it", meaning that they're THAT sure that it is safe...

Funny that the link that you posted also says so, and not even somewhat safe, but well over 80% safe, which is a great score, so it makes me wonder why you posted it in the first place, although looking at some of the comments, makes it somewhat clear.

But who do you think you should take advice from? A site who's business it is to tell you which other site is safe, or some idiot that doesn't know how to navigate the web and stream video without doing something wrong which results in harm to his or her PC? (hint: it's the former)

And even then, these sites only measure certain parameters, which is more or less like doing a survey amongst a hundred people, and then saying that it counts for the global population. It's ballpark stuff that's not always representative of the actual goings on behind or on a site.

Never in my life have I used any of these kinds of security check sites. All you need to have is a good, sane head on your shoulders, which is able to combine analytical thought processes and logical conclusion making into an informed decision, but none of these commenters in that comments section seem to come anywhere near to being close to having an inkling of intellect.

I always ignore idiots like that, because that's just what they are: fools that make dumb mistakes because they messed up, NOT because the site is bad or dangerous. I truly despise these types of people, warning people off of sites or services that are perfectly safe.

These are the kinds of people who's dumb statements pose a risk to the average global IQ level, and should be avoided like the plague.

There are no viruses or malware attacks coming from watchseries, so these people are just full of crap, only the occasional (and completely harmless) pop up window, and guess what? I've got both Adblock Plus and uBlock Origin installed in my browser (something everyone should do by default anyway, so that would be obligatory step one in safer browsing), and that takes care of all that kind of stuff.

Only every now and then do I have to manually close a popup, but that's a small price to pay for the enormous catalog of movies and series that this site offers.

And another, more important thing: the link you posted is wrong, it is not watchseries.com, it is mywatchseries.to, so the site you tested, is probably a clone or whatever, but not the actual site that I use. And I've been using it for years, never had a single problem.

Here's the correct link to verify the site:
https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/mywatchseries.to

And please take note of the second half of the very sensible first comment that the smart guy made, and then compare it to the totally BS guy that made the second one. There is NEVER any credit card stuff involved, because the service is free, so he is literally talking out of his a*hole...

The best advice I can always give to anyone, is don't click on something without reading and understanding what it is that you're clicking on, and nothing can and will go wrong. It's factually impossible, so all this misery that has befallen these people is their own damn fault, and I laugh in their faces and at their stupidity.

/end rant

And yes, you guessed it: stuff like this can REALLY get under my skin. I just hate people that are running into oncoming traffic and then go blaming the traffic for the unavoidable accident...

@rjejr Tried out different sites on that security check baloney, and to great comical effect.

Apparently, eurogamer is less safe than watchseries.com...

https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/www.eurogamer.com

Which only goes to show how much stock you should actually put in stuff like that.

@ThanosReXXX Well of course Eurogamer isn't safe, bunch of communists.

Sorry, it's late and I'm gong to bed now, that's all I have for tonight.

I played call of duty on the xbox up to black ops 2. That's when I realised there was a lot of missions that seemed to be showing up from the past games but dressed up to look new. I don't want call of duty to darken my door step.