It's no exaggeration to claim that the Switch is Nintendo's most important console release so far. After the commercial disaster that was the Wii U and the decision to reshuffle internal teams to remove the schism between handheld and home development, the Switch represents a one-shot strategy for the Kyoto giant; while the fortunes of its home systems have ebbed and flowed over the past two decades, Nintendo's handhelds have always become the market leaders of their respective eras, and now the company is possibly sacrificing that advantage in a bold move which – for some commentators – feels like a final desperate throw of the dice. Add to this Nintendo's burgeoning interest in the smartphone arena – where it has seen impressive returns on relatively low-cost ventures – and the arrival of Switch becomes even more significant. The company is clearly more than capable of becoming a very successful third-party publisher, but if Switch fails, where does that leave Nintendo as far as the hardware sector is concerned?
Switch is, in many ways, a concept which feels happy to borrow existing ideas rather than create its own. The notion of a tablet-like device which plays games isn't especially new – there have been countless Android-based offerings over the past few years, some of which even share the same controller concept – and the motion-sensing Joy-Con feel like a direct evolution of the Wii Remote, the wand-like input device which played such a significant role in shifting over 100 million Wii consoles. Even the concept of plugging the system into a TV isn't exactly new – Sega's Nomad pulled the same trick back in the '90s and some versions of the Sony PSP could do the same. What is unique about the Switch is the way in which Nintendo has taken all of these ideas and bonded them in a cohesive manner, creating a console which convincingly straddles the line between the portable and domestic markets.
Nintendo Switch Review: The Hardware
Comparisons with tablet devices have perhaps harmed preconceptions of the Switch; while it's definitely a "tablet" it's a lot smaller than your average Android or Apple slate, so you can put to rest any fears of it being an oversized burden in your backpack. The 6.2-inch screen has a 720p resolution which, for a display of this size, is perfectly adequate. In the smartphone arena many handset makers seem hell-bent on cramming as many pixels into their panels as possible with no truly discernible benefit to the end user; beyond 1080p on a 5 or 6-inch screen, the additional pixels offer no real benefit – unless you happen to use your device with a magnifying glass. Granted, it is possible to pick out individual pixels on the Switch's screen, but the trade-off is an acceptable one – a 1080p display would have put more load on the console's internal tech, compromising performance and battery life. 720p might not sound all that impressive in this day and age, but ignore the willy-waving antics which typify mobile tech these days – in real world usage, it's fine.
It also helps that the Switch's LCD panel is bright and punchy, with good colour replication, striking contrast and solid viewing angles. There's an auto-brightness option which adjusts the level depending on your environment, and this generally works pretty well. You have the option to disable this if you so wish and boost the brightness to maximum, but this naturally has a detrimental effect on battery life.
At 28.4mm, the Switch is quite a thick customer when compared to your typical Android or Apple tablet, and is constructed almost entirely from plastic. The front is dominated by the aforementioned 6.2-inch capacitive touchscreen, a quantum leap ahead of the resistive displays used by Nintendo in the DS, 3DS and Wii U. Capacitive screens don't rely on pressure for input so it's easier to use your fingers; the screen is incredibly responsive and typing is a real joy. There will no doubt be those who lament the passing of the stylus on Nintendo hardware – something that has been commonplace since the DS launched in 2004 – but this is a step forward. Besides, if you're really missing the feel of prodding a stick at the screen, you can always purchase a third-party capacitive stylus. One thing which is worth noting is that the panel itself is plastic rather than super-tough glass like you'd find on an iPhone or iPad. As such, it's very easy to scratch – our review unit picked up a mark within 24 hours despite being handled with utmost care – so you'll almost certainly want to purchase some kind of carry case if you're looking to take it out of the house, and perhaps even a screen protector.
At the bottom of the screen you'll find the ambient light sensor for the automatic brightness feature and two small slots which allow the stereo speakers to pipe through; the console supplies a surprisingly impressive aural experience, especially for a device of this size. On the back you'll find the kickstand – which pops off when force is applied, rather than snapping entirely – and underneath that the Micro SD card slot. Sticking with the kickstand for a second, it's fairly sturdy but not totally reliable – we experienced a couple of "collapses" during the review period – and after a week of use we're sorry to report that it's already failing to clip back in place securely, and now sometimes pops open when we're playing in portable mode.
The top edge of the system features the game card slot, power / volume buttons and 3.5mm headphone jack (take that, Apple) while the bottom edge has the USB Type C connector for charging (USB power banks are supported, thankfully) – this is also the link between the Switch and its dock. The vent on the top edge of the device allows the internal fan to cool the console, and under heavy load this can become quite noisy. However, it clearly works effectively – we never experienced the system becoming uncomfortably hot during use. The sides of the Switch – or "rails" as Nintendo prefers to call them – are where you slide in those lovely Joy-Con controllers. There's a set of pins on the controller which link with the main unit, providing a non-wireless connection and charging for the Joy-Con's internal battery.
The dock itself feels like a lump of empty plastic when you first remove it from the box, yet it's one of the one important elements of this package. When docked, the Switch benefits from a power boost (well, it pushes its components harder) and can output a 1080p signal to your HDTV. The process of docking and removing the system may seem like a marketing gimmick at this stage but it sure does feel nice; the "switch" between portable and home console mode is practically instantaneous, with gameplay picking up exactly where you left off. It should also be noted that boot time is also astonishingly fast, and when placed in sleep mode – which you really should do, given how meager the battery consumption is – it's possible to jump right back into your game instantly. For a console which is being sold on its ability to game on the go as well as at home, this is a boon – and it puts to rest the rather unpleasant memories of the Wii U's lengthy boot times and the terrible sleep mode stamina of the 3DS.
Nintendo Switch Review: Joy-Con
While it's doubtful that any controller can have the same seismic impact as the Wii Remote did back in 2006, the Joy-Con may come close. The Switch's ability to toggle between home and portable modes is its unique hook, but the Joy-Con come a close second. They come in pairs – left and right – with the physical controls being mirrored on both so that they can operate as self-contained controllers. Each has an analogue stick and four face buttons, while on the top edge there are two shoulder buttons. The left-hand Joy-Con has a screenshot button, while the right-hand one has a Home button as well as a Kinect-like IR sensor which can detect objects such as your hand and (in the case of 1-2-Switch) your mouth. The NFC touchpoint – used for amiibo – is also located on the right-hand Joy-Con.
The Joy-Con are seriously small, yet they never feel too diminutive. When the bundled wrist strap attachment is in place the pads become even more comfortable; the plastic which slides onto the top of the Joy-Con makes it easier to grip and also makes the L and R buttons easier to press. The only annoyance here is that the wrist strap is a little awkward to fit and remove, and if you're taking the machine out of the house they're easy to leave behind. When fixed to the console itself, there's a tiny bit of play on each Joy-Con, but nothing to be overly concerned about – they certainly don't feel like they're about to snap off at any point.
The Joy-Con charge when attached to the Switch console itself via the aforementioned physical connector, which means you'll most likely be topping them up on a daily basis. In terms of stamina we've yet to encounter any drained batteries, but if you're using the Joy-Cons with the bundled grip and you mainly play on the TV, you might want to think about investing in the fancy Charging Grip, which tops them up when connected to the dock or a USB power outlet; the bundled grip lacks this functionality.
Much has been made of reported issues relating to the stability of the connection between the left-hand Joy-Con and the console itself. There is certainly mounting evidence that the left controller randomly loses connection, and anecdotal reports indicate this could be something to do with distance from the main console. A disconnect happened to us once during the review period, shortly after the Joy-Con was detached from the console's rail; instead of briefly disconnecting and then reconnecting as normal, it remained unpaired from the system until manually re-paired. We imagine this is a software issue and will be remedied by an early update, never to be spoken of again. All in all, the Joy-Con work wonderfully and toggling between them is hassle-free – the console always defaults to "active" Joy-Cons, so if you happen to have two pairs and one set is connected to the system, it will automatically reconnect to the "loose" pair without any need to dig into the settings.
Nintendo Switch Review: The UI
Those of you who have fired up your Wii recently may well shudder at the kind of user experience Nintendo was serving up not so long ago; even the 3DS and Wii U leave a lot to be desired in this regard, with the latter suffering from lengthy load times before Nintendo issued a series of very welcome software updates. The good news with Switch is that Nintendo has delivered a solid UI experience from day one, creating an excellent foundation on which we hope it will build more features and functionality.
The Switch UI is everything it needs to be right now; clean, slick and easy to navigate. Rather than bombard users with a myriad of options in the way Microsoft did with the Xbox One, Nintendo has streamlined things to make booting the system and firing up your game an almost effortless affair. The main menu appears within seconds of turning on the console – it's even quicker when you're waking it from sleep mode – and presents with you with a series of tiles which denote your game library. Games downloaded to the console appear here, as do games you've loaded from a game card; attempting to boot one of these titles will result in a message asking you to insert the relevant card should it not already be present. Also, if you have multiple users setup on the system each will have their own save data in games, and when you select a title you then quickly pick which user is playing, too.
Arrayed beneath these tiles is a series of icons which relate to different features and options. "News" is where you'll find updates relating to special offers as well as handy guides on how to use the console. "eShop" is self-explanatory, while "Album" is where you can browse all of the screenshots you've captured before adding amusing text and posting them to your social media accounts. "Controllers" also needs little explanation; from here, you can see which Joy-Con are paired with your console as well as check on their respective battery levels, change the player order and pair new input devices. "System Settings" is where things get more complicated, as this menu is home to a wide range of different options, including screen brightness, parental lock, data management, Mii creation, theme selection (only white and black are available at present) and much more besides. The final option is "Sleep Mode", which can also be activated by pressing the physical power button. It's worth noting that you can navigate your way around the console's UI using nothing but touch, if you so wish.
In typical Nintendo fashion there are loads of neat little extras to be found in the UI; tapping your finger on the screen gives a slightly different noise every time, while touching the battery icon reveals a percentage reading for more accuracy. When the console is asleep you have to press the same button three times to fully wake it (when in handheld mode), and depending on which button you press you get a different series of sounds. In short, the UI is exactly what we want from a Nintendo console - playful yet simple. There's plenty of room for expansion here and we don't doubt for a second that more icons will be added to that bottom rail as the years roll by (Netflix please, Nintendo), but for now, it's hard to think of a better start in pure user experience terms.
Nintendo Switch Review: Conclusion
Every Nintendo console is important in some way; the NES established the company as a major player in the domestic hardware arena, while the N64 introduced analogue control to mainstream players. The Nintendo DS gave an entire generation of players touch input, and the Wii will go down in history as the console which kick-started the motion-control craze. Despite all of these past successes, it's no exaggeration to claim that the Switch is Nintendo's most important hardware release, ever.
The reason is twofold; this is a console which unifies the company's previously separate portable and domestic hardware interests, a significant change for a firm which for so long as utterly dominated the handheld market – a market which is arguably shrinking due to the popularity of smartphones and tablets. Secondly, the Switch comes at a time when Nintendo is more marginalised in the industry than ever before; Sony and Microsoft now preside over the "core" gamer market, with Nintendo almost alone in choosing to cater for younger players, families, and those seeking a different gaming life from that given in the multi-platform 'Triple-A' market. With that in mind, the Switch is a very sensible call; it has been built from the ground-up with local, social play in mind and should hopefully build upon what the Wii achieved in this area.
While it sounds like a cheap parlour trick, the Switch's ability to effortlessly transition from home console to portable is a revelation; to be able to play a AAA adventure like The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild on the big screen and continue that quest on public transport without any loss of scale or immersion is a truly remarkable selling point, and one which Nintendo is wisely pushing in all of its marketing efforts. However, that's not the only trick this console has up its sleeve; those delightful Joy-Con are perfect for impromptu local multiplayer sessions, with Super Bomberman R already proving the surprising potential of this particular arrangement. With titles like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and FIFA 18 on the way, this hardware configuration could prove to be as appealing to the mainstream public as the Wii's waggle was back in 2006; it's basically like having a portable TV set with you at all times, offering scope for multiplayer fun no matter where you happen to be. Couple this with the unique feature set of the Joy-Con controllers – HD Rumble is something we can see Nintendo's rivals copying in the near future – and you've got a wide selection of elements for developers to leverage over the next few years.
Nintendo and its third-party partners stumbled with the Wii U and failed to present a convincing case for second-screen gaming; we'd be surprised if the Switch suffered a similar fate, but nothing in the world of gaming is certain. While the intrinsic charm of its hardware is already blindingly obvious and the USP of the system – play anytime, anywhere, with anyone – is easy to communicate, it remains to be seen if Nintendo's most important hardware release yet will resonate with consumers; what we've seen so far, however, certainly fills us with confidence.
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Out of 10? I'd probably give it a 6 or 7. Some things can improve over time.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE They don't do out-of-10 ratings for hardware reviews.
Although im yet to touch the switch id guess at a 7 out of 10 hardware wise.
But then again im never sold on hardware at all, (unless im dealing with my pc)
Its the games that i need
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Way too harsh without having the thing in your hands.
Oh... go on then, I'll get one.
From the moment I got my first portable, I've wanted a hybrid, and here it is at last. Thanks for listening, Nintendo, we're gonna do just fine...
Here's to the next 4 years of gaming and beyond.Bring it on!
I like the Switch hardware, just don't like the prices!
The hype is going to kill me. Sadly I will never be able to play the Switch that I have already paid for in full. 12:01 am Friday can not get here soon enough.
Oh, and I hate you Australia. You get the Switch a full 16 hours before me.
Good console with a promising future.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I think you're rating the system a little too soon.
For heaven's sake, the thing comes out on Friday and I still don't know for certain if I can set it up to access the UK eshop if I bought the console in a different region. All the signs are positive, am terribly excited but, still, this seems like madness.
Nintendo UK told me to 'ask again on launch day' 😅
Thank you for going into so much detail, Nintendolife, especially regarding the pins and connectors. I feel even more pleased I'm getting one now.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE IGN will give the Switch and BotW both 7.9's.
Let's all read that again shall we?
One disconnection by the left joy-con in the whole review period.
Panic over?
Can I join in this game? I'm going to rate the PS5 an 8 out of 10.
@JHDK IGN will give Zelda a 10.
The Telegraph gave it 4/5. Price and lack of pack in title let it down. Both of these things don't bother me so I'm proper excited.
@JHDK happy to confirm i'll be getting my switch in 22.5 hours 😜 Doubt I would survive waiting much longer, my productivity has already been thrown out the door this week.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE
"IGN will give Zelda a 10."
Optimism? What did you do with the real SLIGEACH_EIRE?
IGN gave it a 6.7/10. I'm not really surprised. They had to give it a score, and many of its most important features aren't live yet. Couple in the desync issue with the JoyCon (which has to be taken into account) and you get a less-than-perfect impression. That said, neither the desync issue nor the battery will affect me in the least, so I'm still every bit as hyped. Roll on Friday!
@SLIGEACH_EIRE It was a joke. I hope you're right though. IGN and NL are my 2 most trusted sources for Nintendo reviews.
the hardware looks great, but in the end it all comes down to the games. so far the lineup for 2017 looks good. not great but certainly not bad either.
no doubt this will be way more succesfull than the WiiU.
@Coderie Haha, enjoy the extra few hours. I will be watching Blunty's Switch live stream tomorrow morning at 6 am my time.
@6ch6ris6 I think it looks pretty great myself. Can't think of a single other system that had more than 7 full retail releases I felt I absolutely had to have in the first 12 months
@3MonthBeef You cracked me up LOL..."Do you sleep?" Great one
"our review unit picked up a mark within 24 hours despite being handled with utmost care – so you'll almost certainly want to purchase some kind of carry case if you're looking to take it out of the house, and perhaps even a screen protector."
Ugh. Is the dock scratching it? I was worried about this. Scratchgate 2.0.
@gcunit No. Not everyone seemed to be affected by the issue, and some had a harder time with it than others. Nevertheless, software issues are par for the course with modern consoles, and as long as Nintendo can push through a quick, elegant solution to the problem, it'll be a non-issue.
Doesn't sound great about the kickstand, as that's one of the system's major selling points according to all their marketing.
The plastic screen sounds horrendous too. Plastic?!! Maybe that sounds worse than it actually is, I'm not sure what to think. Can't recall ever having a capacitive touchscreen device with a plastic screen. One thing that seems certain, there will be a lot of second hand Switches for sale in the future with badly scratched screens.
I don't get how they can be charging a premium price with issues like this. Isn't sounding very premium. I suppose it's these Joy Cons ramping up the input costs with their HD rumble and rock, paper, scissors cameras. I hope it's worth it.
@Ralizah Yeah, scratching the screen while docking was a major concern of mine as well. For sure, screen protector will be going on my switch ASAP.
"The Switch has all the makings of something truly great. Now Nintendo just needs to support it" - theverge.com
SOO EXCITEEEEEEEEE!!!
Looks like I'll be investing in a screen protector if it scratches that easily. I've heard that they sort of change/dilute the color, though. Anyone know if that's true?
@KirbyTheVampire Depends on what type of screen protector you get.
A shame to hear about the weak kickstand. I'm sure some stronger third party alternatives might show up eventually though. Ninty made a good decision by leaving a fragile hunk of plastic detachable.
@3MonthBeef I often wonder the same thing. haha
@KirbyTheVampire It's nigh on baloney. Once you've got a protector on and played with it for 2 minutes you'll forget it's there.
@gcunit Oh okay, thanks. Is there some specific kind of screen protector needed to reduce the effect as much as possible though?
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Definitely a 7, we need a Corbie reference around here.
@KirbyTheVampire I hated using those cheap plastic screen protectors (the type you get in a pack of 10 for a couple of pounds) on my phone but when I invested in a good quality protector (I use a tempered glass Orzly one) I never ever noticed it was there. I think Orzly are selling a Switch one on Amazon, so I will probably go for that.
@BionicDodo Oh okay, sweet. Thanks man.
@KirbyTheVampire Depends how much you buy into screen protector marketing. I bought a cheap set of protectors for my 3DS screens and have never regretted it. You can get the thicker type that supposedly provide some protection from cracks, but I've never tried those. I just use the thin films - on my 3DS,on my £250 phone, and on my Wii U gamepad.
After a while a few bubbles might appear around the edges (not that I've got any on my Wii U protector yet, but I have on my phone - though that goes everywhere in my pocket and gets handled a lot more so I guess that explains that), but bubbles are only really apparent when the screen is off. Modern screens are so vibrant when projecting an image that I don't notice the protector.
The whole thing hangs on this stupid voice chat app and phone mechanic, for me!
@Damo Will you guys be doing reviews of different accessories, like the different cases?
@gcunit Alright, cool. I won't worry about the quality too much, then.
@KirbyTheVampire @3MonthBeef watch what you say to him you'll end up getting reprimanded.
I don't see the instant multiplayer taking off like Nintendo wants it to, but it would be cool to walk into the break room and see people playing games on one. I know I want it because my 3ds goes with me everywhere I go, and I have wanted to be able to hook it to my tv for years when I'm home. Now I can, but with a first class Zelda game as well, I don't think I've been so excited for anything video game related. I can't wait to see a couple years from now and the awesome games it will have. I look at my failed Wii U library, and even the few 3rd party AAA games like batonetta, dues ex, cod, batman, assasins, darksiders, (I could keep going) along with great indie and first party games really make it a great console. Switch has the potential to be better. Yea, and backwards compatibility for my wii and vc make my wii/u library total over 300 games.
@GravyThief Plastic screens can be good. For example, my Kyocera DuraForce phone has a pretty good one, with an iLLumiShield screen protector applied. I was on a trip in the Appalachian Mountains a couple years ago, and I accidentally dropped it while trying to take a picture. Fell directly onto an outcropping of rock on the ground, at the same elevation as my feet. Picked it up, fearing the worst... Nothing, no damage to the screen. Only the screen protector film I had applied was scratched. (Of course, this particular model has a fairly durable build overall, with much more shock absorption than the relatively fragile newer Apple and Samsung phones have.)
The real question is... Once a screen protector film is applied to the NS, who's going to volunteer their NS as the unwilling sacrifice to test the true mettle of it's stability? We won't have the 3DS' legendary stability this time around!
@KirbyTheVampire If you get crappy ones, they might not work well. The good ones come in two-packs for around $7-10. iLLumiShield is one good brand, although it may take a while for them to have an NS variety. (Not a problem for me, since I'm waiting for a year.)
Edit: they have some available for order now!
The problem with a lot of cheaper screen protector films is that they have no anti-glare coating or blue light filter. (For your eye health, it's worth reading up about blue light with any computer screen.) Whereas the better ones like the aforementioned iLLumiShield offer regular films with anti-glare coating and scratch resistance, and slightly more expensive (maybe $2-3 more) films with an additional blue light filter. The filter slightly changes how the light a screen generates reaches your eyes, but it doesn't change how colors appear.
@3MonthBeef I think every fanblog has folks like that with a black belt in F5-fu.
@3MonthBeef if we see a new article pop up we should drop this in the comment section asap...
IGN is giving it a 6.7 in an early review. It's a portable system that you don't really want to take anywhere due to it's size and poor battery.
@datamonkey cheapskate
@GravyThief Given how many times I had to send my 3DS back for screen replacements, I wouldn't step anywhere near a switch until it has been tested by the mass public.
@MetalKingShield
I agree! One of my dogs has seizures, and the vets recommended low to no wireless activity, so it's great to know I can use the Switch in handheld mode with no worries.
Thank you for including that detail Mr. McFerran!
Midnight launch NYC here I come!
Quit harshing my buzz man. I'm still stoked for it.
I don't like how easily scratched the screen is. That hurts the portability factor even more, and the battery factor was already a problem.
Since you all have a review unit in your hands, may I ask if the SD card slot has one or two rows of pins inside? This would determine if it has UHS-I or UHS-II support. I suspect the latter, due to comments about (eventually) supporting 2TB SD cards, but that isn't realistic unless UHS-II support is there. UHS-I would be far too slow for such a large amount of data to load... It would only be useful for 256 GB or less, if there's only one row of pins.
@PlywoodStick
IllumiShield already confirmed screen protectors, and tempered glass protectors for the Switch. They're shipping at the end of March, though.
@WOLF1313 sadly I have to agree with this
I want the Switch, but with the plastic screen and the loose kick stand issues, I think I'm going to wait until the Switch XL comes out.
I'll just buy Zelda BOTW on the Wii U.
I fear the Switch may struggle after month one to sell units outside Japan, the hardware reviews are not looking great and I see the majority of the software getting okay reviews unfortunately. Still super excited though.
1. Both portable and console.
2. Unique design looking.
3. More first party, 3rd party, etc.
1.The price....!!!
2. Lack of web browsers.
3. Looks like more digital download games rather than physical release...
Overall : 8 from 10
@Luna_110 Awesome! Now that I know about it, I'll link it for others, as well. (They've worked well for my phone and New 3DS, so I figure a link is fair. )
With Blue Light filter (available to order now):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01MY9QXHR/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1488383171&sr=8-5&pi=SL75_QL70&keywords=iLLumiShield+Nintendo+switch
Regular clear film (also available now):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01MR7N9JD/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488383171&sr=8-1&pi=SL75_QL70&keywords=iLLumiShield+Nintendo+switch
Tempered ballistic glass screen protector (that one is not available until March 25):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01N81DCSJ/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1488383171&sr=8-4&pi=SL75_QL70&keywords=iLLumiShield+Nintendo+switch
@Lord
I've accepted that I buy Nintendo systems for the few Nintendo exclusives...and even then I'm going to be selective. They are OK with games that are 7s. Games like Star Fox, Mario Party etc don't compete with top tier games.
Thank you for not leaving a numbered score. Hardware should never have a number to it, just an experience. IGN are morons so far I found Digital Foundry has the best review though.
This system is a farce. Underpowered for a home console and short on power/portability for a handheld. Coupled with the cheap screen, other dubious design choices and poor game line up I am unsure about ponying up Day 1. I'm only negative as I'm upset. Ridiculous that a company can "let me down", but there we go. I can't justify the price for a Zelda machine until the Wii U port of MK8 arrives....
Scratching the screen easily is a little alarming, but nothing a screen protector won't fix, let's hope. I baby my toys anyway, so I'm not that worried. No way I'd bring it anywhere without a case just like my 3DS, tablet, etc.
https://www.cnet.com/products/nintendo-switch/review/
"The bottom line: The Nintendo Switch is a solid piece of hardware that delivers an impressive gameplay experience in a small chassis. But a shallow roster of launch games beyond Zelda and a dearth of other features leaves the Switch feeling more like a blank slate of unfulfilled potential on day one."
Sounds pretty accurate. CNET doesn't give out high scores easily, so even though there's no review score yet, the review reads like a 6/10 or 7/10 from their standards. Device is nice, but the experience just isn't all there yet. Or at least, not outside Japan. In Japan, price for the console is lower, and the launch lineup is more filled out and robust. They clearly got the best deal, while gaijins the world over got the short end of the stick.
Also worth noting:
"Left Joy-Con desync: There's definitely something going on with the left Joy-Con. While I've only had it desync once, it's acted up half a dozen times, whether it be erratic behavior or a dropout. Hopefully, this is something that can be patched."
@gcunit Nope, left JoyCon dropout is still a problem until it's patched. It's not just desynchronization that's a problem, there's also various erratic behaviors and dropouts that have been encountered. (I notice the NL review makes no mention of these other known issues related to the left JoyCon, only mentioning the more publicized desynchronization issue...)
Nintendo Switch Review In Progress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BMPpDZu7dk
Great minds think alike.
@JHDK USGamer is also a good source for Nintendo reviews
Looks like I will be waiting for the revision.... Kickstand not working properly after a week? Plastic screen? Not cool...
Love it otherwise. Just a few bad choices.
I expect that the dock contains circuitry with some kind of protection, which is how it's able to command such a high price. I also expect that before too long, some third party will clone it and sell their own docks for less than half the price.
"Time to make the Switch?"
Definatly not at this price currently. 330 plus 70 for the pro controller and 65 for Zelda... right.
Weird strategy, will be interesting to see the sales numbers soon considering the combined price of the above reflects a Playstation 4 PRO with controller and game of your choice.
The mobility feature is also more a gimmick ...2 hours with Zelda and time to recharge, really good..... More like a mobility-teaser than actual feature if you dont have a car battery as keychain along.
Its a fun gagdet (would sell well for 199 including a game), but if you demand that kind of prices you will be rated for what you offer and thats poor compared to the competition. Anyway, soon we will know.
@Alexprime Reviews are important in forming a rounded opinion. That's how people make informed decisions. The bit people sometimes don't do is to take multiple reviews into account. By the way, calling people immature kids just worked against you. A lot of the people on here are probably older than you, including myself. If you are buying the Switch, all the power to you. Will look forward to your take on the system.
@WiltonRoots Lol. I remember catching him/her putting a placeholder comment in a thread, just so he/she could be first.
I should've screen-grabbed it.
@Alexprime On the contrary, it is an act of maturity to take professional reviews into consideration, so that customers can make informed decisions about their purchases. This is especially true if one is not made of money, as you seem to imply you are. Good for you, not everyone is so lucky.
Wow!!! IGN skewers the switch! That is terrible to hear that the new Switch cannot even run the new Zelda game at a steady 30 frames per second sounds very very underpowered. Boo!
@Iggy-Koopa Who cares? I've entered a placeholder on new threads too, just to try it...
@AlternateButtons It's almost like everything in life has positives and negatives, and people are likely to express their opinion on both...
IGN have given it 6.7 out of 10
"As a handheld, the Switch is a powerful piece of hardware with a gorgeous screen, but it's too large and power hungry to feel like you can really take it anywhere. As a console, it’s underpowered, unreliable, and lacking basic features and conveniences that all of its competitors offer. It’s nicely built and cleverly designed to be used in a variety of ways, but the bottom line is that the Switch doesn’t do any one of the many things it can do without some sort of significant compromise. Our testing will continue for the next few days as we try out the online features and other functions enabled by the day-one patch, but if I had to score it now I’d give it a 6.7."
@Danrenfroe2016 Various performance issues are what happens when you port a game that was not originally meant to be ported right away. I don't think Nintendo quite has a handle yet on using newer technologies, once they take off the rendering filters like artificial fogging and far draw distance blurring, which were meant to reduce load. (Comparing views from vistas in BotW between both versions is a perfect example of this.) As for me, I'll buy the Wii U version and run it in Cemu...
@Shellcore Power is a non-factor unless you're a PC master race guy who needs 4K maxed out graphics with over 60 FPS in order to enjoy games. All that matters is that there are games on the system that you enjoy. Yeah, there are hardware concerns like the plastic screen, but just buy a screen protector and take care of your Switch and you should be fine.
The battery life honestly doesn't sound that bad. 2 and a half hours with everything maxed out on Zelda is pretty good, everything considered, and the battery lasts much longer on less intensive games. Just bring a charger around with you. You can also get a car charger if you're interested in that.
@KirbyTheVampire When it can't run a Wii U port on screen at more than 30 fps then it does become an issue. I'm sorry, it just does.
@brutalpanda I tried listening/watching one of their recent Switch podcasts and it seemed like they didn't know or care about very basic functionality of the system that is common knowledge to anyone on a video game message board.
But thanks for the suggestion. I'm always looking for new, quality sources for Nintendo news.
@JHDK You get the Switch much cheaper than the Australians do so quit your complaining.
@the8thark I'll try to survive those extra 16 hours. Not sure if I can make it.
@Shellcore That's cool. We all have our tastes. I also would enjoy 60 FPS on Zelda. Just keep in mind that this is a handheld we're talking about here. A handheld running the most ambitious Zelda game and overall the biggest game Nintendo has ever made. I would hardly call that underpowered. That's cutting edge.
In any case, I don't really know what more you could even want. It's the next and most powerful Nintendo system yet that is a handheld and console in one package. That sounds like a good deal to me.
@Jaded_Drybones What do you DO to your 3DSs? I've had 8 3DS's in my home over the years, some sold, some I still have....I've never once seen a single screen problem on any model. One XL suffered some battery issues that the battery contacts weren't making contact right (that one was a lemon, the speaker also rattled during certain frequencies...bought it from a flipper.)
@Donutman I can't see the instant multiplayer taking off in the West too well beyond specific places like schools/universities, parties, etc. But in Japan it will spread like wildfire...it's just how they do things there, particularly young people, where it's not uncommon to see people walking around with full size headphones on "because" which you'd virtually never see in the West.
@Exy It's my hope that Nintendo or a third-party make a powered-up version of one.
The screen scratching sounds pretty awful. I don't use screen protectors on devices. Never have. It's never caused problems. I do, of course, use cases when transporting anything but gorilla glass that goes in the pocket.
On the other hand the Vita is also plastic, and mine does not have a scratch of any kind. This is a Vita that has twice been knocked off a table while in its charging cradle ($19.99 accessory, thanks Sony!) due to the poor balance of said charging cradle. On one drop it slammed against a TV stand behind the table. It picked up a "chip" on the top of the screen (around the border, not the viewing surface), and the screen is otherwise perfect. It's a very good, very dense plastic (and gorilla glass would have shattered with that hit.)
So did NL do something odd to this switch that caused a visible scratch so soon, or did Nintendo use COMPLETELY inappropriate density plastic for the screen cover (which I find hard to believe from the hardware team Iwata told to make a 3DS survive a drop from a bicycle? )
@ironside1911 Keep in mind how old the PS4 is, how new the Switch is, and how expensive PS4 controllers were at launch.
@Alexprime No profanity, thanks.
A decent bit of kit, sadly I won't be buying one. Well, at least until it has a good library. Bought the Wii U early doors and Nintendo has to win me back this time around because of the software shortage on the Wii U.
@NEStalgia The New 3DS screen cover is also pretty weak, I inexplicably got a little scratch on it (which is very noticeable with the 3D on) within a couple of weeks carrying it around normally. Nothing a replacement cover and hair dryer (yes, a hair dryer) can't fix, but I learned my lesson to wait for a film screen protector before even opening any new devices. The screen covers Nintendo is using now cost about $4-5 on eBay, so they probably cost pennies to manufacture. Very cheap and crappy, needs protection in my experience.
@Iggy-Koopa Seen it many times. I'll probably get reported now.
@KirbyTheVampire I agree for a handheld, it is good. Not for a console though. It should really be doing 60 fps.
Still not had a dispatch email from Nintendo UK I hope it arrives on friday!!!
I honestly can't wait to get my hands on my Switch! I have already pre-paid for it at my local GAME the other day, and will pick it up at the midnight launch event tomorrow - along with Zelda, of course. So hyped!
"Nintendo Switch: Nintendo's most important console yet" well du'h, it's the latest, and is releasing Friday lmao! It's the most important...until the next one of course
@PlywoodStick Huh, interesting, I'm actually less worried now. I've never got a scratch on my N3DSXL, which I assume isn't using better materials than N3DS. And my N3DS has been my most used console since it came out. I clean the screen FAIRLY regularly with a nice microfiber towel.
Granted the clamshell kept that safe, but still, I've never had any worry of scratching it. It's closed when not played, this will be in a case when not played (or the dock obviously.) My experience with screen protectors over the years is I end up with a lousy looking screen, and end up scratching the protector that gets too stuck on to remove. Granted most things are Gorilla these days and don't need it. But Vita and the upper 3DS screens are my existing demos of plastic. Vita's a better example since the profile is Switch-like.
Still worried by this news (24 hours!?) but you've put it into perspective a little
This review has dampened my excitement for Friday somewhat.
@KirbyTheVampire Well, I was talking about the PS4 PRO Version, which has been released some months ago. Thats the weird thing - the PS4 alone (as old as it may be) beats the Switch in every hardware department and functionality. The PRO itself is just a different dimension compared to the Switch and yep - pricewise, dont know how Nintendo will market that.
Put a Switch up at Toys R US for 330 plus 70 controller and 65 zelda - running at unstable 30fps at 900p.. against a PS4 PRO running whatever you want. I have a hard time believing people are convinced of the switch when comparing the prices.
I would go as far as claiming the PS4 PRO would be able to "emulate" the whole switch ... but thats just me.
Anyway, when it hits 199 euro and they have released the v3 or whatever remodeled slim bla version with improved battery life, improved pad connectivity, basic build in features such as browser and apps...then it will be interesting.
@Shellcore fair point, I mean the PS4 and Xbox are literally bursting at the seams with 60fps titles.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I give to your comment a 0 out of 10
@KirbyTheVampire You know, I'd like to discuss that with you for a moment. What do people buy a Xbox One/PS4 for? Graphics yes, but if you put those to the side? I can see their point if they say to be sure to have the latest third-party line-up, and the first-party they offer (how much first-party do MS/Sony even have?). But if Nintendo can secure the same with the Switch, then what do they have over them? What do people truly buy game systems for? And isn't it ironic how the 3DS is the one who by far outsold the Vita, which is significantly stronger in specs?
Meanwhile in Finland: not preordered, on friday going to Gigantti Jyväskylä at 10am when it opens. Elämme jännittäviä aikoja.
@ironside1911 The PS4 and the Pro are pretty comparable IMO. The Pro is really just a PS4 with a barely noticeable performance boost, better resolution, and more memory. It's not really a generational leap or anything. They both play the same games, and offer basically the same experience. Besides, Zelda is just one game, the biggest Nintendo game ever at that, and the average consumer cares more about the kind of games that are on it than the technical specs. The PS4 has been out for years anyway, and probably will only last until 2019. Most people who want a PS4 probably already own it.
I don't doubt that the PS4 and Xbone will cut into Nintendo's profits to a degree, but I still think there's a market for the Switch, especially among handheld gamers. After all, in terms of the games and the overall experience, the Switch is a big step up from the 3DS, aside from the battery life. Let's be honest here, though. BotW is the biggest Nintendo game ever, and the battery last for 2 and a half hours with everything maxed in portable mode. It's safe to say smaller titles will last much longer.
Definitely a plastic screen? Because other websites I've seen, including USGamer, suggest it's glass
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/nintendo-switch-preview-a-visual-walkthrough-of-nintendos-newest-console
(read the comments from the reviewer)
and
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/nintendo-switch-review
" It's constructed of glass and metal, setting it apart from the mostly plastic housings of those previous Nintendo handhelds:
@KirbyTheVampire Its a weird way to put it when saying its a "barely" noticeable performance boost. You should keep in mind that most games previously released on the PS4 are not optimized for the PRO and the PRO itself is capable of doing much better than regular PS4 games. I assume a quick look on the technical specs will also show you that its a big boost instead of a "barely" noticable improvement.
E.g. PS4 - 1.6GHz AMD Jaguar / PS4 Pro 2.1 GHz AMD Jaguar
GPU (the very important part) PS4 1.84 TFLOP Radeon, PS4 Pro 4.2 TFLOP Radeon
and yes, on top 4K resolution (the switch at home doesnt even manage full HD)
I do believe, as you say, that there is a market for the switch but my point is just what Im getting for the money and I just dont believe Nintendo is doing themselves a favor here,.
Theres simply not enough right now (imo) to convince people to buy it.. as you indicate yourself, not even many games to chose from at start. In that scenario I would lower the price as much as possible and disguintish myself from competition...
I get it that its Nintendos last chance and I want to see them continue in the console business... but Im not alone with doubts when looking all over the (major) review sites.
Excellent review, thanks. No piece of hardware is perfect at launch, and I expect issues like the left Joy Con to be fixed quickly.
On my gamepad, I found that I didn't often want to play off tv because the screen waa too small and the colour was not vibrant enough. How do you think I would feel playing the switch?
@UmniKnight I don't really think the Switch will have super strong AAA third party support, but as long as it sells, it'll have good third party support. It'll just be different than the kind of support the PS4 gets. At the end of the day, it all comes down to how well the system sells, and what people think of the hardware. If it sells well, gets the third parties on board, and if Nintendo provides strong first party support, I think the Switch can find it's own place in the gaming market. Like I said earlier, the PS4 has been out for a long time. Many people already own it. Not everyone cares about playing GTA or Call of Duty anyway. It's still the next Nintendo system, and a portable at that, and those always sell very well. Besides, Breath of the Wild, Arms, Mario Kart, Splatoon, and the first not completely linear 3D Mario since Sunshine, all in the first year sounds like a good lineup to me, and even more so for portable gamers.
Time will ultimately tell, but I don't think that just because it provides a different experience than the PS4 means that no one will care about it, especially if they drop support for the 3DS in a year or so and focus all their developers on making Switch games.
Two days left. I can't wait
You could say they put all their eggs in one basket.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE I don't know that they will give it a 10, it will likely lose some due to not being 1080p. Not much, but a perfect score is not likely to happen.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE do you have one to review?
@yomanation Based on what information did you come to that conclusion? It honestly makes no sense, modern game development has nothing to do with the number of systems you have.
As for being a wise decision, that remains to be seen. They have hedged all their bets now. With the Wii U, the company still had the 3DS to fall back on, but the 3DS is aging now. Even keeping the 3DS alive will not help them if the Switch fails. If it does, it could damage the company significantly especially after the beating they took on the Wii U. Like I said, all their eggs in one basket.
Essentially what they have done is pull out of the console market entirely. The switch will not appeal to people just wanting a console. It's too expensive and too underpowered for that. It's a mobile, but they are marketing it as a console, which is similar to the mis-marketing mistakes they made with the Wii U.
No gorilla glass! Damn forgot about that. Gonna order screen protector.
Also does the switch support Bluetooth headphones? It's pretty bad of it doesn't. Another Nintendo console not supporting Bluetooth headphones isn't really acceptable
@Alshain01 Yeah, I was thinking maybe they should have made some sacrifices on the console part of Switch to make it more portable. Many here say power doesn't matter to them.
Battery life of 2.5 hrs makes me not want to bother carrying it on a flight. I'll use half of that waiting to board....then it dies mid flight. Like has been said....they are trying to do both worlds and both suffer. My Switch will be at home 99% of the time....so I'm just buying a new WiiU Pro that plays new exclusives.
@ironside1911 I know the specs are there, but the actual difference between the regular PS4 and the Pro is pretty negligible. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's only a difference of like 10 frames in a lot of cases. Does that and a boost in resolution mean people will suddenly line up to buy the Pro in droves? Not really. Most people don't care how good a game looks or how much power is in a system if they don't care about the games in the first place. The average gamer cares more about what he's playing than the specs. I think the scenario you mentioned where people look at both and chose the PS4 based on the price will happen for sure, but the difference in price really isn't different enough to sway people either way if they already have a bias toward one of the systems and it's games.
I agree, though. I don't think there's enough at launch to warrant a purchase, at least for me. That's not really a big deal though, cause the hardcore Nintendo fans will all be buying at launch and sell a few million units right out of the gate. Then Splatoon 2 and Mario Kart will start to pick things up, and the release Mario Odyssey will really blow the Switch up, in a good way. That's what I'm hoping for, anyway. Fingers crossed.
@kobashi100 Nope! It doesn't support Wireless headphones.
I am more worried about the connection issues with the left joy-con.
If Nintendo doesn't fix this with the day 1 update, they going to be in a lot of trouble. Ain't going to be pretty, as this is a rather fundamental issue that prevents enjoyable on TV gaming, unless you have ordered the pro controller alongside it.
@kobashi100 As usual, they keep the tradition going by ignoring standards, so no, there is NO support for any Bluetooth audio.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2017/02/nintendo-switch-no-bluetooth-headset/
So, did I read this right and the reviewer is saying the Switch has a plastic touch screen? Um, I feel like that is a HUGE fail on Nintendo's part. Let me preface this with I still think the system looks amazing and those Joy-Con look like a really cool controller method. But come on. You're billing this thing as a home console that also can be taken on the go. A plastic touch screen? I mean, I could dust the screen off with one of the microfiber cloths I use to clean my glasses and they'll scratch the screen because it's plastic. How is that a good design choice in this day and age? I'm not as surprised that the kickstand fails over continued use, in the marketing it looks flimsy. But that plastic touchscreen......it gives me worries. Nintendo Switch is being sold at a premium price, but it seems the "premium" nature of that price is not reflected in the console's build-materials (outside of the Joy-Cons I mean).
@KirbyTheVampire Its not about what is now, I was indicating it by saying the PS4 PRO power is noticable when the games are optimized for it but largely they are not. They will be in the future Im sure. The automatic "improves" like framerates or 4K is just part of the stronger hardware, but they are not optimized.. its more like a PC where the hardware detects something where it can run the game at different settings.
I guess our main point to disagree is simply the price. I hold the opinion that people do care about how they invest money (as shown by Nintendo offering 2DS, or trimmed down versions, e.g. why even offer different storage options?). People care about money, same way they decide to either get e.g a 500gb version of the PS4 or a 1TB one...theres a reason both are out.
But yep, as mentioned and I guess most agree, it would be a shame to fail for Nintendo and I want them to continue, but I continue to have a feeling this will only pick off when the price drops and they dont interfere with Sony/Microsofts pricesegments.
Plastic screen,
Connection issues,
No browser,
2 hrs battery life,
Can't use Bluetooth headsets,
No Netflix, Amazon, or you tube,
Faulty kick stand,
Only 1 game worth buying at launch,
...............
Why are we buying this?
@Lord
1: Get a screen protector and carrying case, look after your Switch, and you should be fine.
2: Those are probably software issues and will likely be fixed soon, maybe even on day 1.
3: We don't know if a browser is coming, but either way it doesn't really matter. Use your phone or computer if you want to use the internet.
4: That one is a bummer, true.
5: Basically the same answer as number 3.
6: A lot of people seem to think it does the job well enough. Either way, I'm pretty sure there's a 3rd party stand you can buy for like 15-20 dollars if it turns out the stand is unusable. The stand also lets you charge it in tabletop mode, which is a plus.
7: That's just a matter of opinion. Just wait a few months if you don't want only 1 game.
Sounds like a console with great potential buy with a lackluster Day One launch lineup and features. I'll be waiting until 2nd half of the year/holidays (or sooner if there is a price cut).
The hardware is good I must say. The price on the other hand, well it's a minor inconvenience.
Would be funny to see Microsoft & Sony soon releasing a "PS-TAB" and "X-TAB", virtually just a Tablet connected to your console and network and it lets you stream all your games at home, connect your controllers etc... and if they want to charge more than 79 for it, they could include some nice hardware and get games running at e.g. lower resolution/less effects but still on the go.
Not sure why I think that, but considering how quickly they jumped on the Wii controller functions, both are technically capable to have one ready within 3 months.. provided the switch proves itself popular.
Overall, this reads like a system I'll be getting; the positives seem to outweigh the negatives in my eyes. It will still be some time before I pick up a Switch, but this seems to reinforce that future purchasing decision.
Perhaps my biggest concern (which isn't that big, tbh) is how easily the screen can be scratched. I try to treat my touch screens with the utmost care and have never had need for a screen protector; it looks like that may be changing.
The price doesn't bother me as I feel that it's within a reasonable range, though like many I feel that 1-2 Switch would have been a great pack-in title.
Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc. games will be made for Sony and Microsoft systems in the next 10 years. This system just can't compete with the other consoles. The battery life is a huge issue as well. I have also been reading that there are huge frame rate drops.
I will still end up getting it, but now it will be a lot later than I originally planned.
I still would have rather had them just make a console like the GameCube. I have a 3ds for portable gaming. I just want a straight forward home console. No gimmicks. Just good old, sit on the couch with a regular controller and a console that doesn't have to sit in a dock.
Let's just hope this sells well, if not this will more than likely be the last home console from Nintendo.
@ironside1911 Oh okay, I gotcha. I guess we'll have to wait and see how the games run when they start being optimized. Point still stands, though. I think people care more about the games than the FPS and a slight price difference. 30 FPS is good enough for slower paced games anyway, and the people who have been playing Zelda for the past week don't seem to have much issue with the framerate. I doubt most Switch games will come very close to being as intensive as Zelda, anyway.
People do care about money, but gaming consoles aren't really a "buy on a whim" thing. People usually take a look at the games and decide based on what games they want to play. Gaming systems are a 6-ish year investment, after all, and the price really isn't that different. For example, here in Canada, a PS4 Pro with 1 controller and no included game costs 500 dollars, so if I bought a game with it, the total cost would be 580 dollars. A Switch with the included two JoyCon and one JoyCon grip costs 400 dollars, so if I bought the system, a game, and a Pro controller, the total cost would be 570 dollars. Extra accessories would bring the cost up a little more, but that's still a perfectly functional Switch with a game and 2 controllers, 3 if you turn the JoyCon sideways, not to mention the fact that it functions as a handheld and a console. I could see someone buying the Pro if they like both systems pretty much equally, though.
The Switch is just a device for the Hardcore Nintendo Fanboy.
It will not come close to Wii or 3DS sales.
The Switch is the Nintendo device that finally cured me of my Nintendo Fanboyism.
The Switch's battery life is only 2.5 hours when settings are maxed out, with WiFi turned on, and a massive open world game like Zelda is running. Turning settings down to medium, with WiFi turned off (since Zelda is a single player game), and a game that isn't as ambitious as Zelda should make the battery life much longer.
@AlternateButtons "Well it's great to see the usual negative commenters are having an active day.
In a time we should be celebrating, all we seem to do is hone in on the negatives."
It's the vocal minority. They make up about 5% of the visitors but produce about 95% of the misery....oops sorry I meant opinions .
"It's no exaggeration to claim that the Switch is Nintendo's most important console release so far. After the commercial disaster that was the Wii U and the decision to reshuffle internal teams to remove the schism between handheld and home development, the Switch represents a one-shot strategy for the Kyoto giant"
Yet when I say this exact same stuff in the comments, you guys call me a troll lol
@Flashman 6.7 out of 10 Too much IGN
Absolutely sold. Nothing I've heard from today's review cause me any alarm.
Seem to be a lot of negatives regarding the Switch hardware from all the reputable review sites. The plastic screen has me a little concerned. The device is bought and paid for but I am not as enthusiastic as I once was about it. I still may cancel.
@freaksloan Funnily enough, it reawakened the Nintendo fanboy in me, lol.
@gatorboi352 It's not you saying the probability that it's Nintendo's last shot that people disagree with, it's the unrelenting negativity, lol. There are some things to be concerned about, but how they're handling the Switch is a far cry from how they handled the Wii U. All it really needs is to sell the same as or better than the Gamecube, and that sounds more than achievable.
@HawkeyeWii Huge framerate drops? Hardly. There's a Gamexplain video where they say that when playing BoTW, there are infrequent framerate drops, but nothing major enough to ruin the experience. Keep in mind that this is the largest game Nintendo has ever made. Chances are that the vast majority of other games will not have this issue.
@Manjushri Most stores have cut-to-fit screen protectors.
@KirbyTheVampire Is it really that different from how they handled the Wii U? Small number of launch games, bad marketing, underpowered, doesn't compete with tablets and phones, doesn't compete with other dedicated gaming devices, small amount of internal storage, too expensive.
Call me crazy, but it sounds just like the Wii U.
@yomanation I think you are confused. They have not ended the 3DS and have been vehemently claiming the opposite. They still have two platforms. Discontinuing consoles, maintaining two competing handhelds, and then claiming they haven't isn't going to have a higher quality or quantity game. Your arguments make no sense. It's a bad move.
@3MonthBeef Hahaha I have been asking myself that as well. Thing is the guy always comments bad stuff, quite a negative dude.
@yomanation Lol, I'm not the one with Nintendo fanboy blinders on here. And you call me narrow sighted. Sorry but if you are going to result to insults, and bad insults at that, I'm not going to discuss this any further. I prefer intelligent discussions.
@yomanation One small problem, that is not literally or figuratively my argument at all. My argument is the opposite of yours. They did not need to consolidate because doing so will NEVER produce a good product, Switch or otherwise. It's a jack of all trades and a master of none. If they want to shut down 1/2 of their product lines, that's different. Focus entirely on mobile or entirely on console, don't try to do both and especially not both at the same time. This attempts to please both markets and will result in pleasing neither.
@Shellcore short on power for a portable. WTF dude! This is a beast as a handheld. Not sure how anyone can say it lacks power as a handheld.
I do agree that Nintendo are very cheeky going with a plastic screen. Even the most budget smartphones have some form of gorilla glass. Nintendo should be called out for that.
@NEStalgia Yeah, the review NS here probably just randomly got some kind of inexplicable scratch in the same way- who knows how- and it will be fine. The screen cover will probably eventually be able to be easily replaced if it really bothers one, but it won't be a "big deal" like it is with a 3DS top screen. I still recommend a screen protector film or glass cover more than before, though, since there's no clamshell this time around!
@Damo:
"The left-hand Joy-Con has a screenshot button, while the right-hand one has a Home button as well as a Kinect-like IR sensor"
Wait, what? The left-hand Joy-Con doesn't have an IR sensor? Then how are multiplayer games like those in 1-2 Switch supposed to work?
Also, does the Switch have an option to rotate the screen?
This was actually something I always missed on my Wii U. With that feature I could're easily read tons of comics in the web browser.
Assuming the browser will come to the Switch eventually, this would be a really important feature for me. Because right now, I've only got my smartphone and PC for that. The Smartphone's 5,4" screen is a little bit too small, while reading on the PC's monitor is feasable, but not quite comfortable for long reading sessions.
I had a tablet once but reading comics was its sole purpose, so I sold it eventually.
If the Switch would double as a home console and a comic reading device, it might actually be worth the 329€ for me...
Love that people are attempting to put their own score on hardware they haven't even touched yet. It's like me saying Breath of the Wild is definitely a 10/10 game even though I haven't so much as sliced a blade of grass in the new game.
@Baker1000
To be fair i did state that i havent even held the switch. my score was based on what i know about the system but like i said hardware doesnt really sell a console for me its the games.
@PlywoodStick I swore off non-glass protectors years ago (Never, EVER managed to use one without bubbles or dust getting under it...though the latter probably applies to glass too.) Though I wonder how the glass ones affect docking?
I'll still have to leave it to consideration....it's not surprising it's not Gorilla, but I did expect at least Vita like quality plastic.
@yomanation Oh yes it does matter. If they market it to the home console users then those that prefer mobile will tune it out right away. Those that prefer home consoles will dismiss it as under powered and expensive.
Marketing is very important, never ever think that it isn't. There are entire professions that revolve around identifying and properly targeting marketing demographics. Nintendo just doesn't seem to employ any of them.
It seems the Joy-Con issue has been misunderstood here. Like I said, I haven't even touched the console but it's my understanding it's not JUST the left controller but both. The left is more noticeable because it affects the analogue stick, which you won't use much on the right controller. It's a Bluetooth signal strength issue, not a case of being unpaired or de-synced. The signal just doesn't travel through objects, which is a big worry if that includes hands and fingers.
I can't say how well it will sell I can say I definitely like it alot it is hands down my favorite console design Nintendo has ever released and it does seem like there is alot of interest in it which is hopefully a good thing and there seems to be a ton of games on the horizon.
Looking forwards to getting one towards the end of the year when Odyssey is out, at the moment there are to many excellent games out & coming out. Just this month alone i've got Horizon, Nier Automata, Mass Effect & Kingdom Hearts 1.5-2.5 Remix. So by the end of the year hopefully it'll also come with a game, and i'll have a lot more money to spend.
@BiasedSonyFan The Wii U has been touted as an example of bad marketing.
I gotta laugh when I read all these this is Nintendo's last chance come on people really this is not their last chance by no means they could just throw out a new handheld with that famous clam shell design buy a little time release another home console and be fine I dont believe for one second this is there last chance they could even throw out a Super NES mini with enhanced features and it would sell .
Really surprised and disappointed this doesn't have gorilla glass on it. Even the $50 Amazon Kindle comes with it.
@Alshain01 "Is it really that different from how they handled the Wii U? [....]bad marketing."
What kind of examples that the Switch has gotten bad marketing?
Plastic screen that scratches easily? Kickstand that won't stay closed. Average specs. No AAA games yet.
Yeah, I'll be holding off until the inevitable New Switch XL Pro.
@flapjackashley2 this!
Also, go check out reviews for Switch outside of this site. They aren't pretty. This stuff matters and sets a narrative.
Perception is reality, folks.
Here is a good aggregate as to how other sites who have a Switch are reviewing it:
http://www.metacritic.com/feature/nintendo-switch-console-hardware-review
Bottom line: Awesome tablet. Watch the kickstand. Keep left joycon kinda close to the tablet. Still needs Netflix and Youtube. Buy the thing so Nintendo doesn't pull out of the hardware business.
@westman98 mostly positive, with those being around 8/10 mostly. A few mixed. No negatives. Pretty good where I'm sitting!
@Alshain01
When has Nintendo directly marketed the Switch as a home console??
Nintendo's Switch ads, particularly the Superbowl one, show off the Switch's range of capabilities, not just the "home console" aspect of it. Consumers who will buy/not buy a Switch are going to look at what it can do as a whole, not just what it can do in its single TV Mode.
@Baker1000
The general consensus, as I have stated before, seems to be that the Switch is a good but flawed system with a lot of potential that currently isn't present at launch.
That was an excellent review! The New York Times mentioned in their review that there was some glare on the screen in handheld mode, and I didn't notice any mention in the review. If NBA 2K18 arrives in the fall functioning well, I may purchase earlier than expected.
@gatorboi352 And by "other reviews" you mean other sites like IGN and Gamespot? to follow up the "They aren't pretty." subline? And by "This stuff matters and sets a narrative." You mean without giving yourself your own personal feelings about the system and blindly follow the popular sites like IGN and Gamespot because their info is "always right because they're popular", especially that the system hasn't gotten the day 1 patch and is isn't out? And if by "Perception is reality" you mean to "put on your I hate everything" blinders in the hopes to see the Switch crash and burn to the ground which so far in your history have a perception that only favors you? Ok big and scary goomba man I should believe you!
The reviews do set the narrative, But ultimately, it's up to you to make the decision whether you wanna by the Switch!
But if you guys wanna see some other reviews, I recommend to see the Tech Heads at Digital Foundry who being their usual DF selves gives an intensive look at the system and how it stacks up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_OjR09FBUI ,
The countdown makers from Watch Mojo who gives off a short yet sweet review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igc6dBHLZQs ,
and the game sleuths Gamexplain who figured out the Desyncing joycon problem! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-Idv33HI2E
@Romeo-75 Let's just hope that the Snes Mini (If it ever comes to be) doesn't end up like a fiasco like it's predecessor in terms of availability.
People are giving scores out? I haven't used it but I give it 72,933/100,000
@westman98
Just been looking through some of them reviews. Pretty good overall. A few are saying 'wait a bit' but that's fair enough with a few things missing. Comfortably good enough reviews to not put people off anyway.
@flapjackashley2 yeah it's shoddy from Nintendo to go with a plastic screen. Glass screens are not expensive
At least some outlets like NintendoLife don't bother giving scores to a console who's review could be completely out of date after just one patch. I like the fairness of the review though to the point that it's not obvious optimism or pessimism.
@yomanation @gatorboi352 @Captain_Toad @DarthFoxMcCloud
Ars Technica:
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/03/nintendo-switch-review/3/
The Good:
Extremely thin portable form factor makes the system quite easy to pick up and play.
6.2-inch, 720p screen is easily the most beautiful display ever on a portable game console.
Breath of the Wild is a potential system seller, even if it's available on another system.
Holding two Joy-Cons completely separately in two hands is a revelation.
HD rumble haptics are a cute party trick.
The Bad:
Three-ish hours of portable battery life on high-end games could have you hunting for outlets.
As a TV-based console, the system is underpowered compared to similarly priced competition.
Extremely tiny shoulder buttons get in their own way.
Holding the Joy-Con horizontally is an invite to hand cramp city.
The left Joy-Con frequently disconnects when playing on a docked console.
Initial software support is neither deep nor broad, and the future is uncertain.
The incredibly flimsy kickstand can snap off quite easily.
Verdict: Definitely don't buy it as your first and only console. As a second console, consider holding off until the end of the year unless you simply can't live without a fully portable Zelda right this very moment.
Wired:
https://www.wired.com/2017/03/review-nintendo-switch/
Good: Gaming anywhere you want. Joy-Cons are marvelous, versatile controllers. Amazing graphic quality from a relatively small tablet; Not as powerful as a PS4, but Nintendo got out of that game a decade ago. Sleek UI.
Bad: Left Joy-Con doesn't work when I play on the TV, making TV play impossible. Can't charge controllers while playing on TV. Can't charge the tablet in kickstand mode. Review unit has no online functionality at all yet.
Verdict: 5/10 (Basically regards it as nothing more than a Zelda machine for now)
Engadget:
https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/01/nintendo-switch-review/
Conclusion: It does so much right, and yet it's not a slam dunk. My big takeaway from the Switch: Nintendo has figured out how to innovate once again. It's clearly different from other consoles, and it does plenty of new things that gamers might appreciate. But the system's battery life, outdoor screen performance and unknown networking capabilities have me worried. Nintendo has wowed us again, but it still has a long way to go to prove that the Switch isn't another Wii U.
Or the CNET review I linked earlier. Basically, once you start going onto tech sites, not just gaming sites, one starts to see very mixed reviews. They want to like it, but in practice, there are several problems that cannot be ignored, with a common conclusion that it's basically just a Zelda machine right now. Also, Wired in particular was having several issues with the left JoyCons.
I agree with one of the above comments about lack of marketing, I've yet to see a commercial for the switch on tv. The super bowl ad was a one shot kinda deal, sorta like the biggest promo campaign for the vita was at Taco Bell shortly after launch but after that silence.
Hardware-wise, what is the NES? ????
WHO CARES. lol
30 games that are 10/10 and the hardware doesn't matter. NES Mini sells like hot-cakes.
Switch - I don't care about portabililty, dockability, or anything else. Show me the games! I love Wii U because DKC:TF, Luigi U, Mario Maker. I want Switch to do better than that.
@Romeo-75 Keep on laughing when you think Nintendo can survive by releasing retro consoles.. lol..sure they can, they will just have to lay off 80% of their staff and start producing games for other consoles.
Its not like because people buy their keychains, they can just "produce some" whenever they have a bad period. The core business is a proper console on which they sell their games ... bad consoles sales = bad games sales = game over ... even when they release the SNES, Gamecube, N64 mini versions at once.. thats a whole different financial league. How much you think they made with the NES mini?
Someone explain to me how Nintendo is seen as the "kid brand", when they only have EFIGS localization in Europe, and many games on PlayStation has Norwegian and other small languages.
@FionnTheBrave - Yes, it's one of those things I am suspicious of, for several reasons. I do dabble when I have to, but prefer not to. Animals have probably got better instincts than us about this sort of thing.
I'll be honest: It's the first Nintendo console I've seriously thought about buying in a long time, despite a bunch of niggles I have with it, and that says a huge amount. I'm still not getting one, mainly because it's just far too expensive right now, especially when you factor in the extra cost of getting a game and whatever else, but I'm sooo tempted. And Zelda is a huge part of that too, so it's obviously done its job rather well.
@PlywoodStick
Well, they're not wrong. There are some issues to iron out, most notably the left Joycon (if that gets fixed in a day one update that's going to eliminate alot of complaints day one). Other stuff like the kickstand being flimsy though... not really a big deal. Or not charging in table top mode (has to have port on bottom for docked play- just the cost of being hybrid).
The "not a lot of games" issue will naturally sort itself out as time goes on. As with any new console, give it a year and it'll be a different story (at least there's Zelda though, more than most consoles can boast at launch, even if it is on Wii U).
So ya, there's a few kinks, and they should bring these issues up so that Nintendo sees the flaws and can address them in a future revision update (or just a software update or slight redesign in batches going forward).
It's basically an excellent idea and an excellent system, but they need to get the joycon thing sorted and a year for some good games to build up. But the core of what's there is spot on. And personally that list of indie games combined with Nintendo's own first party games coming this year... that alone is going to give me plenty of stuff to play (games on this system count as like two games by getting one on console and handheld... well, maybe more like 1 and a half). But I've pretty much got to the point I stopped playing my Xbox One and Vita. Even now with just the games Switch has coming, combined with PS4 will be enough to keep me entertained all year. 3DS I'll play Fire Emblem but, aside from that it's pretty much Switch only for handheld here on out... for me anyways
Willy-waving antics!
@Captain_Toad Outside of the super bowl ad, I've not seen any at all.
@JaxonH Yeah, the reviews at this point are all just first impressions. Western perceptions aside, I would say to really watch Japan over the next few days. The NS is most likely going to cause some tectonic shifts over there, which may resonate here as well. Looking at their superior launch lineup, their cheaper price point than anywhere else in the world, their particular type of gaming culture... NS is basically a perfect storm for them. Every problem is going to be solved over there first. The pretty much guaranteed boom over there will set demand soaring, potentially driving NS into a near monopoly in Japan. And the effects will echo for some time.
That's what I think will happen, anyways. There's no way I would want to miss out on that. I'm just going to wait until the shockwaves reach us before jumping in, myself.
The price, especially once you factor in the necessary game and whatever else, plus the uncertainty about or plain lack of certain services and features, as well as the almost non-existent AAA third party support, are major issues that need to be addressed satisfactorily at some point for this to be a truly satisfying console, at least as far as I'm concerned—as well as probably a couple of other things I'm forgetting (battery life for one)—but there's still something genuinely compelling about the system to me. I would honestly love to be there at launch playing Breath of the Wild on the Switch—not that I could ever really spend so much cash on the system, and doubly so when I'm still not 100% certain of its future in so many ways (I mean, what the hell is up with the [total lack of] Virtual Console anyway?).
@BinaryFragger Yeah, pretty consistent verdicts from non-Nintendo fan sources. It's pretty much just a Zelda machine at this point for most Westerners, which Jared did also concur would make the machine worth it for some. Somehow, I get the feeling holiday sales of BotW will knock out launch sales...
@olrodlegacy What did you expect from the guy an 8 or 9, he's hated this thing since day one.
@gcunit Same! The Switch is like a dream console to me. Now all it needs is a steady line-up of great first party games. Specifically Animal Crossing.
way to go nintendo. I bet it was worth saving those 13 cents to go from a glass screen to plastic. ::rolleyes.
At the end of the video you should have laid back and started playing the Nintendo Switch like you were in bed.
Even though I'm not planning on purchasing the Switch until some time in 2018, I don't think nintendo has to worry about it being a failure or not selling well. The preorders are sold out, some of the games are even sold out as preorders, and hype throughout the internet is growing more and more since the reveal. The only thing that is wrong, is not making enough for the launch (2 mill could have been more after the demand was shown)...but to the last statement, nintendo has done this sort of thing in the past (Wii remotes being scarce, the Wii itself never being on store shelves for over a year...Gamecube being shorted on memory cards...etc)...but, to be fair for nintendo, why make a bunch of consoles to sit around if it happens to become another Wii U disaster. Other than that, it may not be as powerful as the competition, but it's a handheld, so it doesn't need to be...the hardware is not something that I look at, it's the games that I look at, and as long as Mario, Mario Kart, Mario Party (one like the older titles), Mario Golf, Kirby, Star Fox, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Battalion Wars and maybe some other surprises, comes out, it's a well worth system for me...especially if a new Super Monkey Ball comes onto it!!!
@impurekind
I don't think VC is anything out of the ordinary. Neither Wii U nor 3DS had VC day one. Didn't mean it wasn't coming, just meant it would come a few months later. And we know it's coming because of the fact they say the online service includes a pick of VC game each month (with added online). So we know for a fact it's coming, and it's gonna be here sometime before the year is over.
So... ya. Idk. Doesnt seem anything out of the ordinary to me. Launch the console. Few months later launch the VC service. Reggie also made comments saying they had "more info to come about VC and past purchases" which again confirms VC is coming and infers there will again be some type of discount incentive for those whose NNID are linked to their Nintendo Accounts (only way they can know you purchased certain VC games).
But ya, what I'm saying is total lack of VC at launch isn't really out of the ordinary. Total lack all generation, period, would be... but we know it's coming so that won't be the case.
Why don't everyone quit whinnying until after the DAY 1 UPDATE lol
@Alshain01 nailed it.
@Slim1999 it's what all that is coming in the day one update which is the problem.
Expensive for what's on offer.
Cheaply made.
Outdated.
Poor game selection.
Poor battery life.
Terrible storage.
Visually unattractive.
If this does better than Wii U, I'd almost be shocked.
It'll be sad for gamers who waited 4 years for capable hardware, only to unwrap this dud.
Thanks Nintendo, but I've had a more powerful, transportable gaming laptop for 6 years that still destroys this Fisher Price for adults mockery.
@gatorboi352 #181 What are you talking about? As per @westman98's link to the Metacritic aggregate, there is one "extremely positive" review, 33 "positive" reviews (including NL's), and 9 "mixed" reviews. No "negative" reviews. I'd say that paints a pretty clear picture. Or, as you would have it, is setting a pretty clear narrative.
Oh here we go of course Nintendo Life has to write in their article 20 times how dire of a situation Nintendo is in and how this is their last chance at hardware. Give me a break. Nintendo will never give up hardware. Ever. It's like you Brits need to have Mario on your PS4 so you'll feel better about yourselves. Repeat these words: Not gonna happen.
Anyways this is the most hyped I've been for a Nintendo console since the 64 and I'll bet money that the Switch will come close to matching Wii U's lifetime sales in the first year. Nintendo may have got their lightening in a bottle again.
All I'm saying is Nintendo needs to stop acting like waiting for old games is a reason to buy this. This is one Zelda I can pass on without hesitation, and Zelda seems to be the only real game releasing before fall. Why FIFA was even mentioned is just empty pandering from a British website that pretends anything glittering and from EA is golden. You'll see the 2015 physics engine and downscaled graphics and online and remember 'Right! This is Nintendo! How was I excited for this?'
@capitalism I don't think they were saying this was Nintendo's last chance, merely that it's a huge gamble and they are betting quite a lot by marrying their always successful portable division with their often rocky console division.
That it is Nintendo's most important hardware release really made me laugh, though. Surely the NES/Famicom was a BIT more important in the overall scheme of things? Seeing as without it Nintendo might still be trying to be a taxi company or something?
@NEStalgia I Just carried my 3DS everywhere. Nintendo recognized the problem, and replaced my screen for free 7 times... each time renewing my warranty. The 3DS plastic screens were a real issue for anyone actually traveling with them. Thankfully, Nintendo owned up and fixed them for free. ... still, without anyone testing the switch screen, I don't want to mess with it. it took Nintendo a year before they admitted the 3DS screens were defective.
@NEStalgia don't get me wrong my 3DS was damn near indestructible but the plastic screen scratched, a Nintendo had to replace it many times. But the system itself was very sturdy.
O.O dat all blue switch doe, hnnnngh so nice
@luke88 Nintendo already said you can have 8 accounts, all with different regions accessing their own region's e-shop.
I dont think Nintendo is even close to throwing desperation dice. So dramatic....... They have been making tons of money off 3ds alone. They made tons of money off DS alone. Heck they even did well with the Wii. With the Wii they marketed a gimick and stole the show for a while. The Switch is going back to basics with an additional add on for portable gaming and its going to be huge. Im interested in the portable gaming and these new controllers they are bringing with it. I think its going to be a huge success. If they can bring the games to Switch. I just hope they dont settle for 3rd place with the console like they did with Wii-U. If they can run this Switch show like they did the 3DS show they are going to do very well. Its about bringing the games. I love the early advertising and targetting the older players who grew up Nintendo this time around. Its a smart move. But will they bring the Software to satisfy those older gamers. I think they will. One thing about the older gamers they love those old Nintendo IP's. At the same time they will need to ramp up some more Mature material to satisfy those 30, 40 and 50Somethings they are trying to get to buy the system. Im not a fan of Call of Duty but maybe its time to focus on such titles for those players. Im hoping for a floodgate of RPG's like they brought with 3DS. I found out today i wont be getting my Switch until around next wednesday because I did free shipping at Gamestop but im ok with that. Just bring me some good RPG's and zelda will be a nice game until the others hit the system.
@Nintendo if you need anyone to work in Las Vegas give me a call I would be happy to sell this system for you. Its a system any gamer should be proud to own and play
@SLIGEACH_EIRE Didn't realise you were lucky enough to get one early as well.
Is there some way to prevent the console from registering every game card inserted as a different shortcut? Does it works until the screen is flooded or does it limit itself? (I sincerely don't understand the usefulness of such an idea)
How is keeping a tiles based presentation synonymous of a smooth, easy to navigate interface? At least compared to a Wii or a 3DS who rely on that too (if it wasn't for the folders, I would dislike it on 3DS as much as on the Wii).
Waiting now a few weeks/months to learn how fast the screen rails wear down.
If the controllers charge up when plugged to the screen, how fast do they drain the battery?
Also, I forgot: does the console come with a charger (who's not the big plastic thing) ?
PS: to the ones who intend to play (or already do it) "big (action) games" in the public transport, is this really pleasant? (tried Majora's Mask/MH on the bus, couldn't do a right thing then became nauseous without 3D).
@Rei I believe the charge port is USB-C, which is pretty stark contrast to all the proprietary connectors used in the past.
USB-C is a relatively new standard finalized in 2014 and starting to appear on newer devices that is reversible (similar to the Apple lightning connector) but not directly backward compatible with previous USB variants (though you can buy adapters or dual type cables). The fact it is standard means you do not need a Nintendo charge adapter, any USB-C charge adapter will work. This also allows USB-C spare batteries to be plugged in.
Frankly, it's probably the best improvement the Switch has over previous handhelds.
@gatorboi352 I'd say overall the hardware reviews aren't too bad at all.From the 44 reviews on Metacritic, 1 is "Extremely positive", 34 are "positive" and 9 are "mixed/so so".
Considering it's launched with many features missing and the day one patch for online access not being available to reviewers,it's fared pretty well.Better than I expected actually.With more features to be added,the Joy-con issues hopefully being sorted and the library increasing steadily,the review score can only rise from here.
Alex: That lovely cat, is that yours?
IMO, the Switch is definitely an improvement over the Wii U. The only real concern I have is the third party support. Because the lack of power for it won't get certain developers. It will have to sell well to make up for that.
Overall im feeling the Switch but im NOT feeling £289 period for what it is its just overpriced same as the Wii U which was also overpriced TBF.
@kobashi100 Ha sorry, my bad. I meant battery power.
@WiltonRoots I'm referring to the Wii U Port of Zelda. If we take the PS4 port of The Last of Us which was released at the beginning of the consoles lifecycle, that managed 60 fps at 1080p in 2013! Zelda can't manage a stable 30 fps at 900p in 2017. That's where my concern is coming from.
@3MonthBeef "1. Boost the signal of the Joy Cons by releasing a firmware update that allows the Joy Cons to send more energy to the bluetooth radio. This would partially affect the Joy Con's battery life, but it would solve the issue in a simple manner.
Or...
2. Set up a return or exchange policy that will allow players to return their Joy Cons in exchange for new ones with a stronger Bluetooth signal. This would be very similar to the Wii Remote fiasco just over a decade ago."
So either lessen the portable value of all product in the wild by proxy, or spend a significant amount of resources to replace an already expensive cache of gadgets... Doesn't sound like a "non-issue" to me.
Also, it's not just desynchronizing, there are also reports of erratic behavior and dropouts, which that article does not discuss. Desynchronization is fairly rare, erratic behaviors and dropouts due to signal issues are more common. (As shown in the Wired review I linked, they encountered various left Joycon signal issues at least half a dozen times during the midst of their review process. Basically, tech sites that aren't paid to support one gaming company or another, and are acclimated to utilizing more strenuous testing procedures than gaming sites, are encountering and reporting these issues.)
In any case, this is definitely going to be a problem no matter what. You can't make the problem go away by covering your eyes and ears, then chanting that everything is okay. You have to decide on a selection of compromises.
How long is the cable on the AC charger?
Seeing as its apparently a pain to have to unplug the AC adapter from the dock each time you want to charge the switch on the go, and that it needs to be a decent "right" charger to play n charge as it draws a lot of power to actually play and charge....... So cable length could be an issue? Any decent 3rd party charges available with sufficient power etc as £25-£28 a pop for the Nintendo AC charger is pricey......
@Dysnomia yes I just recently found the same info on the forums 👍🏻 Thanks! Good times ahead
@ironside1911 Hang on, the PS4 PRO does NOT do NATIVE 4K, it has to be upscaled. The AMD architecture in the PRO, is still the 5 year old tech from the original PS4. How many ORIGINAL LAUNCH titles for the PS4 ran at native 1080p and at 60FPS? If you bother checking, there were none. As outlined by Nintendo and NVidia, the SWITCH IS 4k compatible. Also, it is using a hybrid of their World class GeForce GTX10 architecture. In such a small device, the SWITCH is packing a big punch. Oh yeah, I will give you 3 guesses as to who will be using the new HD RUMBLE system within a year? Microsoft and Sony, as they cannot come up with an innovative idea between them.
Well written!!!
I wish I was waiting for my Switch tomorrow but I can't justify the price of the games. Hopefully the pound gets it's value back and we have a more reasonably priced system.
@PlywoodStick It amuses me.
@Jezebel95 You preordered it the other day or just finalised your order? Sorry to tell you, but in the case of the former you might/probably won't be getting one at launch. I'd ask the store what wave you are on - wave 1 & 2 are ready at my store for launch day, but wave 3 is still to be determined. They can't and won't give me a straight answer at all - typically crappy service from GAME.
@akaDv8R Nice, but perhaps you might want to doublecheck with Nvidea and/or Nintendo on your research work.
4K support on the switch? While the marketing aspect of it is funny, where did they "outline" the 4K capabilities? (AS A POSSIBILITY - its not even INTEGRATED yet and there is NO confirmation it will be - yes, NO confirmation, look it up).
You think they wouldnt try any sort of 4K from the get-go instead of offering Zelda at 900p with partly choppy 30 fps?
The 4K idea is a gimmick ... while you are right, the games are upscaled to 4K in the Playstation but if you want to follow more of that logic, why not get the xBOX one S for even LESS and that allows u to even play UHD-Blurays ... either way you put it, the switch is an overpriced gagdet.... i liked the example someone wrote about an fisher price adult toy.
You might want to check this for your 4k research:
http://gizmodo.com/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-nintendo-switchs-garbag-1791339361
Its wishful thinking... its like someone bought a nice little Kia-Car, lots of extras, nice shinny color, usb on the radio, a cute little wheel ... and then next to a SUV at red lights you realize what u actually have.
There will be one more Switch in the wild. Sadly cancelled my preorder today. Will keep my ear to the ground to see what happens in the world on Nintendo. At this point in time, it's just not worth it in my opinion.
@westman98 it feels a bit like the 3DS launch in that respect. Didn't sell too great at launch, people were writing it off by autumn until that price drop and things improved once a few big games came out. The 3DS was a very different console to what it is now, with several features missing. The revised hardware with a sleeker design and added analogue nub was much needed too, though admittedly not many games have made significant use of that 2nd control stick. My prediction for Switch is, it won't sell crazy numbers to start with but once they add those missing features it'll be a great seller.
The Price for me kills it at least for now , The console alone is reasonable value but it's also in the same market region as high end tabs like the shield and more expensive than other home consoles available especially adding extras such as a high cap Sd card, a few new games and a pro controller.
I feel for a console aimed at accessibility Nintendo have made it a costly purchase for many people in a time of so many cheaper choices , even the wiiu is more attractive now with Zelda and cheaper games.
@JaxonH It being or not being out of the ordinary for a Nintendo console launch is not the problem I have. It simply not being there at launch is the problem I have—irrespective of the fact Nintendo has ****** this up now multiple times in the past too. That does not make it any better. In fact, it actually makes it even more frustrating and annoying that Nintendo STILL hasn't managed to figure this **** out. And that doesn't bode well for the quality of whatever Virtual Console we'll eventually get as far as I'm concerned. So, nope, I'm not letting Nintendo of the hook for this just because "It's like it's been for the last couple of generations" or whatever.
@impurekind
Hey, if you wanna nail em to the cross just because Virtual Console games aren't there day one, that's your prerogative. By all means do what you feel you must
The way I see it though, there's simply nothing to let them off the hook for. No rule states virtual console should or has to be there the very first day. It's not an industry standard or anything... it's not just normal for Nintendo to not have VC day one, it's normal for everyone. It's just retro games, they come when they come.
@Iggy-Koopa, I preordered it near launch, and just prepaid for it the other day - I had brought a bunch of games and my old phone to trade-in, and since I could put the credit towards the Switch, they let me pay the rest off on the spot (it only ended up being £40 in the end, which I'm really happy about). So I just have to pop in around midnight tonight, pick the bag up, and go.
@Jaded_Drybones Was that launch 3DS or N3DS?
I do remember there being complaints about the launch 3DS's. I still have my launch day Cosmo black without any scratches...never quite understood the issue, though I never tried to pocket it (or not for longer than it takes to tansport briefly), and usually had it in a soft-case....but said soft case has been crammed into tote bags waaay overpacked beyond what it was meant to be and carried around distances....done that with a launch day Cosmo, an XL Blue, and a N3DSXL Black....the only one with any kind of issue is the XL Blue where the ABXY buttons left an imprint in the upper screen, one could call it scratching, but it's not over the viewing surface just over the black border. And all of them have been subjected to "violent" (as in "oh no I'm late and am in the middle of a boss battle, gotta' go!") hinge closes, slapping the screen on the bottom. Never quite understood the screen issues.
Was yours pocketed and not in a case most of your travels? I could see the uneven pressure maybe causing different issues.
But at least that had a clamshell protecting it. I'm hoping the Switch screen is a little better. If it's as good as Vita it's fine....here's hoping.
Well I'm sold. You can easily access eshops from other regions. Thank you Nintendo, you can have direct access to my bank account now.
I love the concept of the Switch, but I am not sure if I will get one. My gaming backlog across 3DS, Vita, PSP, and Wii is massive. I could play games for 20 years with what I already have. However, if Nintendo ever issue a new Switch variant that has a clamshell design I would probably jump on that.
Such a thoughtful review, thanks @Damo and NL. So glad there's no silly "6.7/10, too much Joy Con" rating given to hardware that will certainly evolve over the next few years.
@SLIGEACH_EIRE - So you pre ordered, but you're not going to pick it up, but you somehow got an advanced system and attached a meaningless review score to it?
@Alshain01 but compared to the Wii u, it has MUCH better marketing, it's less expensive, at least it has one great game at launch (yes I know it's on the Wii u as well, but it's still likely the better version).it seems you're just over emphasizing the negatives.
@Jeremyjones12992 Sorry to interrupt but reading that "statement" reminds of communism propaganda... so, lets say for a moment, you and everyone else does not live in Nintendo world... i mean, you dont say prayers to mario and hug your plush yoshi before bedtime... ok - so - can you please actually point out what u mean by "MUCH" better marketing? like what? message in a bottle? You were in coma during the Wii U launch? But ok ok ok ... all great, lets say your lsd trip is reality ..so you are trying to say that "at least it has ONE great game at launch" ... what is this? The scientology switch? You think its "sane" to spend that money as an average videogaming fan? To play one freaking game when I can get the PS4 Pro for same price? (yea, i count the pro controller in switch price cause nobody serious will use that overpriced plastic joy cons for gaming... great for kids, yea)...
At times im not sure if "opinion" like yours is even real .. i think its paid chills .. else, in what kind of world are you living in? You rich? your parents are rich? you dont care about how much u spend on water cause u drink it?
Awful .. but another great post for the fake review collection on here
EDIT: keep on going and run Nintendo fully into oblivion... great job so far.. piss off everyone... when u get to parents, u hit the core
"Its a non-issue because there's such a practice behind it to not warrant great dismay and/or panic. "
Hope you dont erase your account and dissapear when first sales numbers are in (yes, as usual, first 2 weeks gonna be great, yes, im sure they will beat the PS Vita on the selling charts and NL will highlight it with big graphs pointing up)... then later, when the fanboys have no more money power and reality has to keep Nintendo alive... fantastic.
Anyway, if the fan opinion is like this and Nintendo follows it .. why not all together run Nintendo into the ground and tell everyone how great it is... once they buy this, experience it and look at their bill compared to their neighbors PS4 Pro/XBox 1 S ... thats it.. same it was with the Wii U .. why it should be different?
Ah right.. u got ONE roleplaying game a launch (oh sure, please spend another 50 euro on freaking BOMBERMAN .. i prefer the sega saturn version for free)... and you have 2.5 battery life on it.. and you have 900p .. ok, im convinced now
Same as everyone on here was claiming "oh no, the new 3ds is sooooo much nicer.. blabla".. great 200 straight into the garbagebin... thats Nintendo.
In 6 months, u have the "Switch Local" or whatever, once they realize that nobody cares about the fake mobility and it will be like a 2DS from 3DS without the fake mobility.. and why even not? like any of you would even use the joke battery ..and when u dont, why not use a proper console anyway.
This will end badly but anyway, considering the technology of Nintendo today, im sure they can release a Zelda BOTW 4K version on the PS4 and Xbox and doublecheck with their clients
@ironside1911 wow, you have a lot of time on your hands XD. COMMUNIST? Dead.
@Jeremyjones12992 hahah I sure do ... else would fall asleep at work .. anyway, that above was my after-work-drink-statement.. and i FULLY stand behind it.. on top, I could even go on, but I want to wait for the sales numbers and "average joe" reviews ...gonna be fun.
One hint: When 1-2-Switch scores 6 OUT OF 10 on "NINTENDO Life", its like a 2 out of 10 in reality... so lets see (and yes, Zelda is a great game, i like it too.. but why buy a console for it)
Just to be fair, because Nintendo Life seems to make reviews after 5 minutes of "testing" .. anyway for whoever cares:
The Switch outputs at a maximum of 1080p, with options for 720p and 480p in there too. However, even while docked to a TV, the UI still renders at 720p. When connected to a screen, all the graphics, text, and even the Mii Maker app upscale from 720p to whatever resolution you have set as your output. That's really quite a shame. For the sake of keeping things simple, Switch's front-end seems to keep the native 720p layout used in portable mode, all of which means a less clear image on 1080p or 4K sets. In fact, 4K users will go through two sets of resizing - an internal upscale to 1080p, then the display's bump to ultra HD.
Plug & Play 2017, Cheerio everyone
@Jeremyjones12992 I've seen no marketing, and it's the same price as the Wii U was at launch if you compare the fact that you have to buy a game to use it. The bigger Wii U + Nintendo Land was $349, The Switch + 1-2 Switch will cost... $349.
@3MonthBeef Well, I'll put it this way, then: It's not a non-issue to the people who are actually charged with fixing the problem. "But it's their job!" There's a fine line between a tough instance of problem solving and an unnecessary avalanche of burdens...
I have been underwhelmed by what the games look like on the big screen and the joy cons size is hopeless for at home gaming but overall I still love the system. It feels like a portable that can be plunged into the TV to me but that’s great as I will now get a lot more gaming time in hype was real.
@ironside1911 You got that right, regarding the 1, 2 Switch. Reading the review I was expecting a 4 and was really surprised to see they granted it a 6. But so did IGN, which have been too critical of Nintendo lately. But, for what I've read in both reviews a 4 or 5 seems fitting.
The Switch UI is bad. Terribly bad.
The theme you choose does not carry over to the eShop. I have dark mode on but that does not carry over to the eShop
No music in the eShop
The eShop is boring. It's not as info fulled and as fun as the WiiU eShop
The main UI screen is boring. No music, no folders to neatly organise games. Just one long list with so far 12 boxes there for games. Does it add more there once you get more than 12? Will folders e implimented one day for easier access to your games? Having to scroll through 30+ games every time would be so boring.
Where's the quick start menu?
The pathetic attempt at humour and layout of the information articles is terrible. It seems so childish, the opposite of what Nintendo is striving for with the Switch.
Overall, the WiiU UI is better than the Switch UI.
This is quite disappointing. I do think the hardware is top notch and I am a fan of it, but the Switch UI? That's terrible.
A little heads up for all interested, the "Day-One" update has been rolled out .. and guess what?
There is NO change or "improvement" to the disconnects (especially the left controller) and Nintendo has been contacted already by alot of review sites (e.g. eurogamer) for statement - but they stay silent.
You can also contact their customer support - but you wont receive any answer to it (if you actually did, please post it).
So - seems they are preparing some kind of announcement but considering the way they are acting, Im guessing they will have to offer some sort of exchange deal for everyone insisting on proper functionality as this wont go undetected in the world of journalism.
If it would be purely a software issue at this stage, it would have been fixed with that patch (or they are really that slow and bad to react.. which is kind of hard to believe in todays economy)
Anyway, meanwhile while waiting on Nintendo to actually deliver what people paid for, you can go through the wave of "celebration" after the first-day-patch:
http://kotaku.com/switch-owners-are-still-reporting-joy-con-connectivity-1792928040
Haha, shameless but hilarious promo using Zelda hype!
https://twitter.com/Dominos_UK?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
It's kind of amazing. Remember when WiiU came out, and it was the first console of the 8th Gen, and then PS4 and XBone were preparing to launch and the publishers kept talking about how they were going to ignore WiiU so they could focus on Next Gen gaming? (Despite all 3 being the same 8th gen?)
Do we all realize that Nintendo just launched the 9th Gen today, Sony and Microsoft are YEARS away from a 9th gen system (Pro & Scorpio aren't 9th gen, they're clock bumps on their same 8th gen platforms, running the same games, like N3DS, or so they say). And do we all realize nobody has said "next gen" yet?
First time poster, long time lurker
I am seriously torn. I am sat here, 6am on a Saturday morning in Austalia, deciding whether to head out and buy one when shops open at 9am.
I love Nintendo. I have tried Xbox and PlayStation, and while they have had a few games that have pulled me in (Arkham series, Mass Effect, Red Dead Redemption), I have very much remained a casual gamer due to a lack of interest in shooters and the like.
I got a NES in 1991 when I was 6 years old. Had the SNES too, and the N64. Missed out on the GameCube as I was out in the world on my own for the first time and disposable income did not exist. The Wii drew me back in at a time when I was looking at marriage, and was a console I played with my now wife and family.
The Wii U burned me. I adopted early. I waited for features such as the TV mode that never arrived. I grew frustrated at third party games being dropped. Grew more frustrated when I bout 3rd party games such as Arkham Origins and couldn't access their DLC. The first party games were good, but few and far between, and often didn't utilise the console's unique features. The Ui was slow and clunky. Downloading took forever. It just was a real disappointment.
So now I am torn. I want to jump in and trust the company that provided me with so much joy as a child and young adult. But the fear of being burned is still there.
Oh well...... Off to the shops I guess..........
@MrRJ That was a good post and essentially I believe it reflects what true Nintendo fans are...I got my Nintendo in the 80s.. i think 88 or something.
The N64 was probably the last true great console they did in regards to keeping up with gaming.. the rest of their experiments are fine and worked but never managed to keep the fans.. they "switch" (ho ho) easily when bored.. and thats the case since the gamecube.. the third party support is very important, and as much as people like zelda & mario, they wont spend so much money just to play this and not be able to play anything that the "major" competition worldwide is offering
On top, you add todays social behaviour, online, and interaction of it... and you cant help but feeling Nintendo is trying to do some sort of "Hardcore renegade program" resurrecting everyone who remembers nintendo... but it works only until u see the price and whats offered.. and u move on. Nintendo has become a joke.. this is called a "hybrid" console.. wow.. i can go "outside" and play.. only missing is EVERYTHING that people use and do today.. i have more features to "connect" and "interact" by playing SNAKE on some 10 year old smartphone. Thats the whole issue... doesnt matter how great their games are.. nobody will play them (today - majority) in some junkie way where u spend 12 hours straight with NO connection. U cant even put away ur smartphone when playing upon hearing a noise... this Nintendo is like ... they became retro, and retro is not "todays reality".. its a gimmick... it has been a very bad business move.. and i guess in 2 days (perhaps already tomorrow?) we see the first stats... they look "great"
@NEStalgia "Do we all realize that Nintendo just launched the 9th Gen today, Sony and Microsoft are YEARS away from a 9th gen system (Pro & Scorpio aren't 9th gen, they're clock bumps on their same 8th gen platforms, running the same games, like N3DS, or so they say). And do we all realize nobody has said "next gen" yet?"
Just to correct the mistake above, they did not release a 9th generation console...same reason why NO (major) media even speaks of a "generation leap" ... if you consider the scorpio and pro to be "upgrades" , then sorry, what is this nvidea processor compared to the Wii U? U actually understand the processing power? You have an overpowered tablet.. the Wii U, technically, will even beat the switch at this stage. Show me how you think this is supposed to be 9th generation? I might be wrong but when was FULL HD introduced? 10 years ago? Ah right, in Nintendo-Land, it was in 2020 cause not even the switch can do it with their launch game.
9th generation is funny.. i would say, they dont play in that league anymore.. they arrived somewhere close to the 8th..but not there yet
@ironside1911 I realize you're complaining for the sake of complaining but in the interest of anyone else reading this, I'll simply reply that what you're saying is nonsensical. Generations are a chronology, not a measure of performance. It would not matter if the Switch had all the power of an Atari 2600, it would still be the first 9th gen console.
The Scorpio is indeed an upgrade. It is the same platform which by requirement, must play the same games from the same discs as it's predecessor. It simply allows additional graphics performance, same as PS4 Pro. I kept it separate from PS4 Pro only because it's possible MS changes that policy and makes it an actual separate platform between now and reveal which would be a different product than the one we know of.
The rest of your post is merely random complaints about your dislike and perception of the compute power of a given console.
Wow, so much anger...
@the8thark
Just being simple and clean for Switch is really big deal. Some adult gamer may dislike with the "kiddie" looking UI or sounds effects from previous Nintendo machine. Now Switch UI more like ps4 in my opinion but still in Nintendo style. Maybe boring at first but actually great. We don't complain for Silent Apps Store theme but complain for Silent eshop ?
@NEStalgia I realize youre replying for the sake of just writing something but in the interest of anyone else reading this, why dont you also try to convince the rest of the world and edit the wikipedia entry where the switch is categorized as 8th generation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console
Ah right, the 9th is not even as a category mentioned, why not?
Speaking of the "most important console yet", if you thought the current issues are bad enough:
http://www.polygon.com/2017/3/3/14805574/nintendo-switch-hardware-issues-screen
Some were more lucky and received at least error-codes .. seems Nintendo is replacing these consoles. Will be interesting.
https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/social/questions/detail/qid/48739/kw/Error%20code.%202162-0002/comment/6373
@WiltonRoots Anger leads to hate.... Hat leads to suffering....
@Anti-Matter it had lost the Nintendo charm. Nintendo should be doing what it does next, not just blindly copying others without at least a little thought first.
This is the Nintendo eShop, not the PS online store here.
@MrRJ Life's too short, There's much worse things out there to get mad over... ah well we're getting in the way of these people, let's let them carry on.
Really excited! Merging their console and home development is going to yield a ton of fun for this system If they could have done OLED that would have been great but the cost factored in of course. I'm sad to see the 3d go it really adds a depth to the game world that is exciting to me. Maybe next console they can work it in again!
So after my first day with Zelda/switch, i charged it all night, took it off charger, did entire setup, played about an hour Zelda at home, toon it with me to play waiting to get kid gr school, 30 min or so, then another hour that evening on tv. Battery at 40%. That's a good 2.5 hours of use before plugging into dock. I'm ok with that. I kept on sleep mode in between. Console works amazing. Instantly back into game once you wake it. No issues using controllers in all 3 options during the day. Been playing Zelda on Wii U today with kids since switch is mine . Great game as well, we are further...
I am with gamespot on this, no idea why people rate consoles...For instance, the new PS4 pro I would rate a 5 I guess, why? Because that thing is huge and loud if you play high-end games, really loud, louder than Wii-U with CD playing high-end game, but other people would not care about this and rate it a 10, thus the reason it makes no sense to grade consoles. Games however is another story because if done wisely and logically, good non-bias scores are very important to know because it is the games that decide whether a console is bought, and not the console (unless we're dealing with fanboys).
BWAHAHAHAHA!! This is Nintendo's "Dreamcast". mwahahahhahaha!!!
"One thing which is worth noting is that the panel itself is plastic rather than super-tough glass like you'd find on an iPhone or iPad. As such, it's very easy to scratch"
What do you mean with panel?
LOTS of people having wifi issues with these. LOTS.
@SEGATA_DREAMCAST So this is going to be a legendary console that challenges what we expect out of consoles? Awesome!
@PlywoodStick Either that, or its gonna be like the wiiU is the saturn, and this is the dreamcast and then... well you know the rest.
@SEGATA_DREAMCAST I think the Saturn was better than the Wii U, although that's mostly factoring in the Japanese lineup... Saturn actually defeated the N64 in Japan, just Bernie Stolar and crew screwed them over.
But if the NS is like the Dreamcast, then Nintendo's next step of fate will be with... arcades and pachinko!? And the Nintendo equivalent of Sonic '06!?!? ...Could it be? Mario '26? No... NO... NO!!!!!!
@PlywoodStick Bahahahaha!!! XD. I actually havnt had the pleasure of fully experiencing the saturn yet, as i unintentionally destroyed mine while trying to install a region free chip D:
"Nintendo seal of quality" (Only on xbox)
Switch isn't ready for market. Nintendo should've held for Tegra X2. A proper partnership with NVIDIA would've made Switch the flagship for Tegra. Thus making Switch a must have product for PC gamers and Apple Fans. It would've sold like hotcakes.
Now we have unfinished system with all the annoying pitfalls of X1 wrapped up in typical Nintendo cutbacks and cut corners.
So I bit the bullet. Bought the Switch and Zelda. Only played for a few hours but a, impress so far. Smooth, clear fast interface that makes the Wii U pale in comparison. Love how easy it is to switch from to to on the go, and how easily the different controller configurations can be set up. Lucky that I have had no issues so far. Too early to rate but a far better first impression than the Wii U made on me.
@liveswired "all the annoying pitfalls of X1"
Such as? Could you elaborate on it a bit more please? I'm looking to get a Switch, but might be put off by these pitfalls. Thanks
@3MonthBeef I bet it's not easy to sleep under a bridge. Its not very comfortable.
@SEGATA_DREAMCAST
I'm sorry but I will not let Nintendo Switch become another Dreamcast. NO WAY !
I believe Nintendo Switch will be success.
It just SWITCHING from Dreamcast situation.
@liveswired
Why should X2 ?
X1 itself was pretty good.
I am NOT PC gamer so I don't really care the power. As long better than Wii U or almost near ps4, that's more than enough for me. Beside, i'm not looking for Super Duper Ultra OMG HD graphic ala FF XV. I prefer Cartoonish graphic in HD with fun gameplay rather than Realistic serious gameplay. Guess, not everyone interested with Realistic graphic.
@PlywoodStick
Don't worry. I believe Tatsumi Kimishima can handle this situation.
I believe he can make Switch become a great success.
Send your message to Nintendo from your pray and keep have faith with them. I believe it will be success as 3DS did.
Keep ignore all the negativity from other people.
I love the switch. My only complaint is the joy con had to be re-synced twice. Not sure if I'm pressing buttons on the joy con is causing the problem.
@Anti-Matter Almost near PS4? Perhaps to illustrate for people what they actually have:
Its perhaps half of the power of the PS4 (which is 199 euro now) and another dimension apart from the PS4 Pro.
Of course its about "optimizing" things, but thats why most third-party companies dont care, it takes way too much time to port an intensive game same way to the switch due to its specs as it was with the Wii U.
Anyway you put it, it makes Nintendos statement look funny claiming they couldnt include 1-2-switch in a bundle due to "price costs" ... based on the hardware compared to the 199 euro ps4, the switch should be 99 Euro.
@ironside1911 👍🏻
@Anti-Matter heh heh. Perhaps...perhaps. But remember, a big issue sega had was selling games. Nintendo seems to lack the support it once had.
Also interesting to note, the sega saturn aka wiiU didnt have a main sonic game, and the wiiU...well lets be honest here, it didnt have a mario game. I see a pattern
@SEGATA_DREAMCAST That sucks, sorry to hear about the unsuccessful mod... And yeah, that pattern between Saturn-Wii U stands out...
I recently gifted a Sega Saturn to a longtime friend of mine who grew up with one. (His cousin owned it, didn't take care of it or any of the games, they all got thrashed over time, even the good ones like Dragon Force and Guardian Heroes... ) Traded a bunch of other things (including Soul Blazer for SNES and Mario Party 1) for the console, 3D controller, and NIGHTS Into Dreams.
It's one of those things that in hindsight, I feel I should have done instead: Go with a Saturn over PS1... But I was too enthralled with Final Fantasy 7 and Tactics at the time. But at least that means a lot of things about the Saturn still feel new and unexplored to me, even for such an old system.
@SEGATA_DREAMCAST
That was SEGA fate, NOT Nintendo fate.
Nintendo Switch fate depend on how Tatsumi Kimishima handle the situation.
If you think Switch will be another Dreamcast, are you really happy to see Nintendo failed again ?
NO WAY !!
Nintendo Switch has its own fate.
Don't even think Switch will be another Dreamcast.
@ironside1911 NS is definitely more than half as powerful as PS4. AMD Shader Units and NVIDIA CUDA Cores (their version of Shader Units) are not directly comparable to each other. For example, some $400+ Pascal NVIDIA GPU's may have hundreds less physical CUDA Cores than a $250+ Polaris 10 AMD GPU has Shader Units, but in practice, the Pascal card is going to obliterate the Polaris 10 card. So yeah, for raw computational power, that chart isn't telling you that the NS is only half as powerful.
It's also worth noting that clock speed is not an indicator of raw processing power, rather, it's more of a multiplier. The AMD Jaguar was decent when it first came out, but it's very outdated by now. It may be octa-core, but the base Jaguar is clocked at around 1.6 GHz... an abysmal multiplier for any serious stationary modern gaming machine. The PS4Pro actually isn't much better, since it uses the same Jaguar APU as the PS4, just overclocking it to 2.1 GHz... Still disappointingly low.
Whereas on the other hand, the ARM Cortex A57 is a more modern mobile SoC, which doesn't have quite as much base power as the Jaguar, but makes up for it in versatility. It's even worse than the Jaguar for a stationary gaming machine, but then again, the NS is a portable gaming machine... So a direct comparison is very difficult to make. Certainly more difficult than that chart can indicate. What is certain, though, is that the NS blows the Vita out of the water.
I bet if the Tegra X1 Custom in the NS could be overclocked up to 1.6 GHz (or even 2.1 GHz, though that would be pushing it too hard undocked...), while working the internal fan harder, it's performance would be nearly equivalent to the PS4's. Unless the system gets modded and cracked apart, though, there's no way to know for sure...
@PlywoodStick Man that stinks. And yeah that's a good way to look at it; something new to explore still.
I unfortunately was still too young to make game console desisions myself back in the golden age. (had to rely on what my mom would allow us to have lol), and always had friends with consoles to try out.
For some reason the dreamcast sorta stood out to me as a kid as something interesting, (also was a bit traumatized by the evil semi truck on sonic adventure lol), and the genesis is one of the earliest consoles i ever played. One of these days i'll grab another saturn off eBay. At least now i have a shell that i retr0bright'ed that i can use on a cheaper less appealing console.
@Anti-Matter It would be awesome if nintendo pulls this off with the switch. But i've just been very disappointed with the games they have been releasing lately. I have high hopes for the new super mario game though. Looks very promising.
@PlywoodStick I wont go into every sentence of it because I believe there is a misunderstanding of processing power and I fully agree the specs are not comparable due to the nature of the consoles, but the point from the start was still the power of it and its still virtually half because all the "overlocked" stuff you mix up to be underpowered compared to "modern processors". I assume you know that this "X1" is also used for Nvidias Shield ANDROID console... thats a hint.
And if you want to continue technically, the X1 is based on the OLD Maxwell architecture, the Geforce 900 series... while if the switch would want to have any chance at all, they would have needed to integrate the real new one which is based on the Geforce 1000 series.
They also use slower ram ... there was an example on some zelda article to show how much power already the Switch needs to use to push Zelda from 720p to 900p and thus creating some choppy situations...you can use this as a benchmark for a crystal clear 60fps 1080p GTA5 on the ps4 ....and i agree they beat the Vita, they finally did, cause the Vita was released in 2011
So following that, their next console will touch the surface of the PS4.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nintendo-switch-spec-analysis
That could be interesting to you. I know the mention they Xbox in this comparison, but anyway, same league and thats what its said about nvidia x1:
"Nvidia's GPU technology is more power-efficient, but it stands to reason that a mobile device (which typically operate with a 5-10W power budget) won't be in the same league."
@SEGATA_DREAMCAST I knew the Dreamcast was bad@$$ when I first laid eyes on Soul Calibur on the 30-something inch CRT TV that one of my childhood friends' family had in their living room. Nintendo got me going with paying attention to specs, but I had never seen such a beautiful (yet deadly) and gorgeous showcase, while running at a solid 60 FPS.
That, combined with my likeness for the Chao Garden VMU minigame for Sonic Adventure, Power Stone 1/2 supplanting Smash Bros. in my eyes, Blue Stinger for all it's quirks (it was a pretty funny game for horror game fans at the time), Resident Evil: Code Veronica for further improving upon the series up to that point, and of course, Phantasy Star Online, for being my first exposure to an MMORPG, and Skies of Arcadia, which is a timeless classic (which now has a very nice rebalancing mod for the GCN version)...
Yep. The Dreamcast did everything right. Just poor leadership up until then screwed it over...
CONSOLE - Well it's lovely. Nice size and weight. Has a Premium feel to it that Nintendos products don't usually have. Screen is fantastic, crisp and colourful. Transfer in and out of the dock is quick and seamless (and scratch-free, for me at least).
The kickstand feels very flimsy and battery life will be a challenge but, well, this is one seriously powerful handheld.
CONTROLLERS - The Joycons are cute and the way they attach to, and detach from, the Switch itself is very satisfying. Playing it in handheld mode is v. Comfortable, had a few hours with no problems at all. The Pro Controller is very nice. Feels like an XB1 pad which is an excellent Controller.
The big surprise though is how well the Joycons work with the grip. If I hadn't got the Pro Controller cheap I don't think I'd be bothering. Wouldn't like to use the Joycons on their own for any long period of time though.
I haven't had the left Joy Con freeze on me despite it being a widely-known problem. However I had the right one completely freeze up, weirdly. Had to unplug it and re-sync.
UI - I quite like it. Simple, intuitive and importantly after the Wii U surprisingly quick. However this is where the lack of streaming apps stands out. Given the quality of the screen video would look good and the UI is currently pretty bare.
Couple of annoyances-I use a LAN Adaptor in the Dock and it would be nice if it could automatically switch between that and Wi-fi when in Portable mode. Data Management is lacking.
Overall I entirely understand why some reviewers said 'You have to use it to understand it'. Once you have one in your hands you really start to appreciate the standard of the product and the options it provides. Impressed so far. Hopefully Nintendo have a couple of big announcements imminent to fill out the software line-up for the rest of the year and kick-start momentum.
@ironside1911 The Maxwell line is comparable or better compared to the Jaguar's line, since they both have SoC's from around the same era. (Which even the PS4Pro is still stuck with, so that's the really outdated one, since it's a stationary console...) In particular, Jaguar is from the previous weird era where AMD was still dabbling mainly in crappy APU's. (You do know it's an APU and not a standalone CPU, right?)
AMD has now come to their senses and moved on to Ryzen, which completely blows away anything the current consoles will have, coupled with Ryzen's surprisingly low price bracket placements. Unfortunately, the XBScorpio won't use it, since it's also using an APU. It also seems like it will still be stuck with a later version of the disappointing Polaris line for GPU functionality, instead of the upcoming Vega line.
This kind of puts the PS4/Pro and Scorpio into a weird, somewhat meek power position, while the NS is a portable console and thus doesn't rely quite as much on needing raw power. (Though having at least enough doesn't hurt.)
The NS uses LPDDR4 RAM, which is about as modern as you can get right now for a mobile platform. Again, that's something which is not directly comparable to GDDR5, so even with a lower amount of RAM, that's another difficult comparison to make. The clock rates on RAM doesn't affect performance as much as the base type (e.g. GDDR5 > DDR3), so that's kind of a moot point.
Finally, it's worth noting that GTA5 was optimized for the consoles, especially the PS4. Whereas BotW was a sacrificial lamb, that since about last year, began to be ported nearing the end of the belabored Wii U project. The 1.1 patch solves some of the framerate problems on NS, though, and I suspect further patches will continue to remedy the sometimes spotty performance.
@PlywoodStick Cant argue with much in that, as it stands it just means its hard to compare both specs directly - but im always referring just to raw power and thats half to me by specs. Its similar to the logic of the desktop and mobile versions of graphiccards, its just not the same league.
Speaking of GTA5 optimized for PS4. You should check out the PS3 version of it I wonder if the switch would be able to do it.
Lastly, speaking of RAM, the samsung chips in the switch are exactly the same samsung is using for their galaxy mobile phones - which are optimized for mobile use and have again a lower power consumption.
@ironside1911 Yeah, despite everything I've said, I agree that the NS is clearly not a good performer as a stationary console. It's laughable that the over 10 year old PS3 is still somewhat relevant, since it's Cell CPU was actually more powerful than the Wii U's crappy IBM tri-core Broadway CPU. Thus, it's surprisingly comparable in compute performance to a modified version of a 2 year old SoC.
I do think it's worth noting that the NVIDIA Shield TV Tablet can run Witcher 3, so the NS can certainly handle titles of that caliber. A lot of third parties have become accustomed to mobile architecture, as well, so I suspect third parties will be much more likely to warm up to NS than the @$$backwards Wii U architecture.
@PlywoodStick I think Nintendo kind of wants to avoid any sort of direct competition with Sony/Microsoft in that regards because it will make them bleed money (they did try fighting but I didnt see that in recent years) - and I think people tend to compare it with PS4/Xbox because they expect to see similar games on their console (or same ones, especially popular sport titles) and Nintendo is doing nothing to "communicate" their console, especially because the price for the hardware is way too much. So in order to sell me overpriced hardware, they need to convince me with something - in a creative way - but already the UI is laughable because it should be the first "woooooah" effect when I see it for the first time knowing I just bought some overpriced gagdet. The creative way could have been supported with innovative apps making use of the console in more ways than just gaming (as people tend to turn their smartphones into everything)... the list is endless... and next thing you know, Nintendo Switch games will be compared to Android-Versions of AAA Titles but not the real ones themselves. After all, technology goes fast and competition has more air left to breath.
Still a long way for the next game to show off the systems capabilities...but yea, I hope it wont be like on the Wii U, waiting 6months periods for the next "Nintendo release" cause most third party companies are busy counting their money made on the PS4/Xbox.
@PlywoodStick The battery thing isn't an issue for me. For the most part, I'm using Switch as a home console with the ability to go portable when I want. And I've been playing BOTW in handheld mode a few times and I've been getting just slightly over 3hrs of playtime before getting a battery notification on my Switch. And honestly, that's about enough for me. Then I just put the controller back in the dock to charge up and go do something else for a little bit. That's all you really need. The system is rather perfect for those looking for THE Nintendo experience!
@NEStalgia I didn't abuse any of my 3, 3DS's, but I didn't baby-them either. It is a portable console.
I think the fact Nintendo paid to replace my screen over 6 times, extending my warranty for free each time is a solid admission of guilt.
My N3DS has not had the issue once. Just smudges, but those wipe off. It was only the original hardware, both regular and XL sizes.
@Jaded_Drybones Ahh originally I thought you'd said it was your N3DS with the issues.
For the original I do remember the hoopla about it, so I know it was a thing...and I know it's been speculated that that was behind part of the fallout between Nintendo and Amazon on hardware. Hadn't heard about it for the XLs....and I certainly never had any issues on mine except for the XL with the ABXY buttons rubbing an "impression" (can't call it a scratch, more like "polishing the top "surfaces" of the bezel around the screen with the Y button doing so slightly over the screen. I suppose it's encouraging they figured it out for the XL, maybe they use better plastics now. Or just put better bumpers on it.
@PlywoodStick #no clue. Nvidia Shield streams Witcher 3, it doesn't run it.
@liveswired "lol #noclue. Seriously Switch might be 1/5 at best of the PS4's power, no where near half chum. Tegra X1 is slightly more powerful than 360/PS3/Wii U territory."
Where'd your comment go?
Yes, if you go into specifics, the NVIDIA Shield Tablet plays higher end games through either Grid (broadband streaming) or GameStream (local streaming through a PC /w compatible NVIDIA GFX card processing the game). My point was that the NS can technically pull that off too, which would ironically result in similar or even improved (perceived) performance over the fairly anemic PS4 and XB1 versions of the game. (Being stuck with an HDD in 2017 is no fun.)
@PlywoodStick lol. Compressed feed games streaming is not a win.
@liveswired Not a win on paper, true. But who's going to know the difference?
@NEStalgia Well, it's all done with now. And it went away with the N3DS. I think it was the opening / closing. Whatever it was, the N3DS fixed it. (0.0)/
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