A short while ago, the guys behind YouTube channel Hot Chocolate Party managed to summarize the perils of amiibo collecting in a funny rap video - and now they're back with a rather cutting appraisal of what it's like to own the Wii U this Christmas.
While we're keen to defend Nintendo's honour as much as possible, some of the points raised in the video are pretty amusing - a third version of Twilight Princess to look forward to next year, anyone? It also highlights just how grim the Wii U release schedule this this festive season, with Star Fox Zero delayed and Animal Crossing amiibo: Festival not being, you know, a proper Animal Crossing game. That leaves us with the perfectly serviceable (no pun intended) Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash - which the guys behind this video don't seem too pumped about. No mention of Xenoblade Chronicles X is made, so we can only assume they don't care for that, either.
Have a watch and let us know if you chuckled or if it made hot, angry steam shoot out of your ears.
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So, once again, we're going to ignore the fact that Xenoblade X exists?
Some Nintendo site this is...
Sums up Nintendo pretty well at the moment, apart from no mention of Xenoblade Chronicles X.
Edit: Actually, yeah, just noticed they did mention Xenoblade Chronicles X.
@TheHumbleFellow We didn't make the video...
It made me laugh anyway haha
This article sums up what it must be like working for NL at times like these. 'Find literally anything someone's uploaded related to Nintendo and wack it on the site'
Hard times!
Who wanted a new version of TP? I did! Looking forward to that one for real. And amiibo Festival is actually good IMO. People say Nintendo's Christmas lineup sucks this year, but it's still way more interesting to me than the other guys' overall.
I honestly regret buying the Wii U... And that's coming from someone who has only ever owned Nintendo systems.
Haha, thanks for the laugh guys. The sad part is that I relate to most things in that video.
I'm happy for those who are getting what they want though.
@linforcer Traitor...
Never regretted buying the wiiu. I've really enjoyed my experience with it although I've had frustrations finding shops with a decent selection of games but I've really made most of the eShop. Probably my second favourite console after the Dreamcast. I really hope whatever the NX ends up being, I hope it is fully backward compatible with wiiu for those people who didn't play it this generation.
I have actually been thinking I want a HD remake of Twilight Princess for a long time. Ever since I saw that amazing demo with Link and Armoghoma.
But otherwise I mostly agree with this. I like how they point out that you can only play online one person at a time in Splatoon.
Nintendo needs to act.
Either make it possible to play offline multiplayer 2vs2 and/or 4vs4 or make it possible to play at least 2 people online at the time. Doesn't the Wii U support multiple GamePads? I would buy an additional GamePad if that meant I could play Splatoon online together with another person.
I actually realized that I don't really mind there not being a lot of new games for me for a while, as well I actually get to work on my backlog for a while . I think I will appreciate this little break for a while before Xenoblade Chronicles X comes out ^^.
(Next year though... my wallet is going to hurt).
@Kimite
Likewise; it's not actually the money side of things for me, it's finding the time to play what I already have, otherwise I would just forever be buying the stuff, playing it for x amount of time, and then stop when the next game I want comes out, which goes on to leave loads of games sitting there unopened and unplayed (e.g Super Mario Maker has been sitting there shrinkwrapped since I got it on launch day). I was actually secretly pleased when they delayed Zelda and Starfox TBH, as it gives me a chance to play through other stuff over Christmas like Halo 5, Mario Tennis Ultra Smash, Super Mario Maker, Tearaway Unfolded, Black Ops 3 and WWE 2K16. I have been quite good the past 6 months or so though, in that I am going back to games to complete them before I start anything new, or buy anything else.
Quite apt. Though I don't know what people expect by wanting "new games"...
@Moon I think the same haha. There is really nothing to write about and the site must keep on updating to have the traffic and stay high on Google search. Still enjoy some articles and news here. A little trivia a day makes the day better.
On the topic: that's a nice video. I expected something more... goofy.
@GammaNoises exectly that...new games
@Moon Not even close. I actually think this is a really well-made video, and we've covered their stuff in the past.
Pain ? What pain ? Our "Fallout 4" is comming out December 2.
Whats so painfull about that ?
I don't regret buying a Wii U at all, and I think the console had amazing potential, but Nintendo did drop the ball this generation...
@GuruOfGreatness Nice ^^. I hope you take advantage of this little break and get to play a lot of games you own and maybe finish some :~). I not sure if I am exactly pleased with the fact that Zelda U got delayed, but I do want Zelda U to be the best game it can be so I don't mind waiting that much .
Personally I am a (J)RPG-er and have a lot of games that is over 20-40 hours if not 60 and above ;^^. I am going to play Xenoblade Chronicles on my Wii U, Dragon Quest games, Triforce Heroes, Legend of Kay, the Kingdom Hearts remixes, Tales of Xillia 2 and probably many more games here and there :~).
(Potentially Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks if I buy them over the eShop as I already own them technically).
I wish you luck on your backlog and I hope you are able to clear a few games during this little new game drought ^^.
I liked it. Well as much as I can like 2 guys in matching lounge pants singing, but it's really a comedy sketch, not a song, and it works as that.
And they probably didn't mention XCX b/c most people forget XCX except the people who are waiting for it.
And Nintendo did bring the frustration on themselves by having Miyamoto and Anouma on the awards show in Dec 2014 prom isng both Starfox and Zelda U would be out in 2015, but neither 1 is. So yes there are games, but not the big 2 games Nintendo SAID there would be.
And nobody wanted AF, that is just a bust. Like Nintendo Land at launch al, over again. Sure some people like those games, but they aren't the blockbusters that excite people like a Super Mario Galaxy 3 or Metro I'd Prime would be.
@TheHumbleFellow
So, once again, are people going to ignore the fact that Xenoblade X is a very niche title?
@rjejr
Yeah, that whole bit about them at the rewards is interesting, I remember saying ho both titles were going to be delayed, and not small delays either and look what happened. Nintendo did it usual thing again so yeah, frustration is justified, especially considering how Nintendo's time management is horrible to be promising so many things on a date only to delay like 90% of them.
Pretty much some up my Christmas Day. Hopefully I get some good 3ds games...😁
I thought it was hilarious and accurate. Come on guys, let's not react with "xenoblade X" the fact is, the other two systems are getting way more top tier entertainment than Wii U and you have to laugh, it's all we have!
@Phle thats not so much an issue of the game but the hardware. You may not realize it, but i'm pretty sure all whats going on is taxing on the hardware. Keep in mind the cpu has to keep track of where you shot and each bullet shot has to have a calculated angle and velocity. Theres 8 entities doing that. Don't forget it also has to calculate how the ink spreads on the ground per shot. Then the GPU has to render all of that in real time with its own calculations which it has to send to the cpu, which is more processing for the cpu to do.
I feel like in that video, they're only aiming at the things they themselves hate and ignore all the good the system has. Everytime I take my Wii U somewhere its the exact opposite to that "friends reaction". They drop everything and play the Wii U.
They speak the truth.
Man Zelda U can't get here fast enough - it feels like the only thing keeping the Wii U from totally capsizing at this point......
This year has had some awesome games, but the total still sits at about 3. It has to be one of the slowest years any Nintendo system has ever had while still current. That said, Xenoblade still looks awesome, and I'm looking forward to the games coming to the Wii U and 3DS next year (plus the real NX announcement).
@TheHumbleFellow That's one game...
They should have made the Wii U $199 a year ago, with an optional GamePad for all I care, so people would be impulse buying like crazy. The Wii U simply isn't a "main console" for most gamers over 12, but once you own it you'll probably play it more than your PS4 or One.
Usually I'm not a fan of remasters, but when the NX drops I hope the just remaster all these wonderful Wii U titles we've been getting, because it's such a shame that so little gamers have experienced games like Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101, SM3DW, Pikmin 3, Splatoon and the best Mario Kart and SSB ever made (arguably ).
That said, I still don't understand that Nintendo is so unsuccessful with the games they've been putting out. Especially for people who have a job and families, who probably grew up on Nintendo, the Wii U is just perfect to get your game on: no complicated control schemes of the need to play 4 hours to actually accomplish something, you just pick it up and play.
Lol, well, they're not wrong.
Nintendo drought. My only speculation is that Nintendo is putting all of their AAA dev teams to work on games for the NX. These JV team games are lack luster.
I've switched back over to exclusively playing Steam games.
People who claim to be Nintendo fans are so god damn weird sometimes.
They ignore the fact that there are so many quality, unique titles offered by the system and are always quick to cry about something being "the final nail in the Wii U's coffin!" and whine about how there are "no good games coming out".
Meanwhile, I've exclusively been playing great games on my Wii U while my PS4 has sit unplayed, collecting dust since I finished Arkham Knight in August.
Absolutely amazing video. Sums up the current Nintendo pretty well, though they're still missing some points.
Also, Xenoblade X is cool and all, but it's not a major game for most people. The majority of people who excited for it are Nintendo fans starved of JRPGs and in need of something to play and transforming mech lovers. For everyone else, various MMORPGs and modern JRPGs on every other system can easily fill the void and do some things better (like battle system for example).
@OneBagTravel
Careful with speculation. The Wii had an even worse drought near the end. You'd think they were hard at work doing Wii U stuff for launch, but look at how that went. Even if they are working on NX stuff, don't expect any of those games to come out until to NX's 2nd or 3rd year.
Haha funny video and (mostly) very true!
At 0:52 seconds in, you hear them say "Xenoblade to Splatoon".
Reference found. Have a good day.
They ain't wrong. With that said, there are so many good Wii U games that it I have absolutely no regrets with it. I probably own double the amount of games for Wii U than I would for PS4 and Xbox One combined. Next year's Xbox One lineup, on the other hand... Sony's another story altogether. The PS4 is unbelievably underwhelming right now. My roommate will only get it when Persona 5 comes out and he's always been a big fan of Sony-exclusive RPGs, but he doesn't even have anything he wants before or after. I'll play Shenmue 3 on it, of course, but that's about it.
That was a fun song, even funnier considering the fact they forgot Xenoblade Chronicles X. Heck even I forgot that before I saw the comments, and I preordered the Collector's Edition. My favourite moment in the video: you can go online in Splatoon with your friend in the same room, such a shame.
@Vandy
"They ignore the fact that there are so many quality, unique titles offered by the system and are always quick to cry about something being "the final nail in the Wii U's coffin!" and whine about how there are 'no good games coming out'."
You're kinda sounding like a Nintendo Rep. here. They are mostly poking fun at the fact that Nintendo's Holiday lineup is a Tennis game, an Animal Crossing spin-off that no one wanted; while rightfully poking fun at Zelda U's current situation.
I wouldn't read into it any more than that.
@MoonKnight7 Read my post again.
I'm not talking about the video, I'm talking about people who claim to be Nintendo fans and then go on to complain about how the "games are bad", "no big hitters", "bad graphics", "no good games coming out" " this (insert random stupid news snippet) is the final nail in the Wii U's coffin!"
I own every major console on the market. I spend the majority of my time on the Wii U. To be quite honest, I have no interest in the holiday lineups of Xbone and PS4. I have no interest in the newest FPS clone, newest racing game clone, etc. It's really no better than Wii U's. I made the mistake of purchasing Fallout 4 already.
@Vandy
Please excuse the fact that your opening line was...
"People who claim to be Nintendo fans are so god damn weird sometimes."
... placed in an article about 2 Nintendo fans rapping about Nintendo's horrible Holiday release schedule. I don't know how I could have misunderstood. Excuse me then.
@MoonKnight7 I'm not sure how you could have misunderstood either, I felt I was very clear in addressing a larger group of people in general given the context of my entire post.
You're excused, we all make mistakes.
It neither made me laugh nor did it make me angry. I just disagree with the video, I personally don't see a lack of content right now. I still got tons of games on Wii U that need to be finished (but I'm playing Splatoon all the time and a bit of Mario Maker) and Typoman and XCX will just add to those.
And I don't get why everyone is so obsessed with the so-called "holiday season". It's just a month like every other month, people.
And I also still disagree with everyone claiming the NX will come out 2016. It was definitely planned for 2017. Nintendo only mentioned it during the DENA press conference to ensure people that they won't abandon home consoles.
The only possibility that the NX comes out 2016 is that people online will talk so much bullshit ("NX comes 2016, Wii U is dead") that Nintendo will be forced to give in, change it plans and release the NX too early. This way we would get an unfinished console which won't unlock it's true potential (whatever that is). Do you people really want that?
@WaveGhoul Aww that sucks. Hope you get better soon.
@shani because they're hoping someone will pop a shiny, new game under the tree.
@Tempestryke Yeah and they probably believe Santa Clause exists. That's just ridiculous. Christmas is only there to boost retail sales, so it's essentially meaningless.
I don't get what the release date of a game has to do with Christmas. It's not like the game code says "Oh, it's Christmas, then I'm officially finished now!". Delays in software development are business as usual and you shouldn't rush the development if you don't want to get a crappy game/piece of software. So for christ's sake, let the developers do their job and just wait until it's finished. It's really not that hard.
@Vandy
Lol, hilarious. Your context was addressed in the video. I'm not sure you watched it:
"No good games coming out." Addressed by the video of Nintendo's tragic Holiday releases schedule. It's at 1:01 in the video.
"The final nail in the Wii U's coffin!" Addressed by the video with the mention of Zelda U going to NX, while also mentioning that it is probably coming in 2016. First mentioned at 2:05 in the video.
Don't forget your opening line too, like I mentioned before. Opening lines are important as they dictate where the rest of your thoughts are going. No where did you say that you were addressing everyone in the comments section, while further not noticing that the people who made this video could be called "fans," as evidenced by their pajama pants.
Thanks for accepting my apology. You're quite the gentlemen (or gentlewoman? Your profile doesn't say). Again, I'm so sorry for misunderstanding that everything you said was mentioned in the video.
@MoonKnight7 No need to apologize again! I've already accepted your apology.
@shani Whoa! I'm not complaining about the delays, its my belief that the game will come out when it comes out. The only reason I can understand being truly irritated is if the game was scheduled to come out for Christmas and you were gonna get it for someone and it got pushed back a couple months.
(Still getting Christmas presents in April is pretty cool impo but that's just me)
I totally agree with @Vandy that many Nintendo fans 'ignore the fact that there are so many quality, unique titles offered by the system and are always quick to cry about something being "the final nail in the Wii U's coffin!" and whine about how there are "no good games coming out".'
And upon reading his first post, it weas clear to me that he was referring to all the Nintendo fans (including those two in the video, but also everyone else).
@MoonKnight7: "while rightfully poking fun at Zelda U's current situation."
This is what I'll probably never understand. What on earth is rightful about it? Do the fans own and develop the game? No. I don't get why many fans feel so entitled. They're not involved in development, they don't even know the current status quo. It's not their game, so they don't have a say at all. I really love the Internet but this one of the things that it made worse.
@Tempestryke Lol, sorry (I don't mean to be rude), but anyone who plans to make a not yet finished piece of software a christmas gift (especially if it doesn't have a day-specific release date yet) has only to blame himself. You can't just assume that it will be released on time, especially if no precise release date was given.
But yeah, getting a christmas present in April is still awesome.
And I hope my previous post didn't come off as a christmas-diss. That's a completely different topic that doesn't belong here anyway. I just wanted to point out that game fans shouldn't have special release expectations regarding christmas. Sure, a game developer will maybe make a bit more money when it's released in the "holiday season", but I doubt it really makes a big difference. A good game will always sell (reasonably) well. And a good developer will always put the quality of the game over getting it ready for christmas. So in that perspective, Nintendo just prooved that quality is more important for them than improved sales on christmas.
@shani Thank you for being the voice of reason!
I'd like to echo your point about Zelda U as well.
Why are we "rightfully poking fun at Zelda U's current situation"?
They let us know FAR IN ADVANCE that they would not be able to make their targeted release date. This happens everywhere, all the time. It's not just Nintendo. Heck, it's not just the video game industry! Movies are delayed all the time, for example. Authors push back release dates on their books because they simply underestimated the amount of time it would take to complete it. Or they ran into unexpected factors they couldn't control. That's reality, that's life. It's so ridiculous to hold a bitter attitude towards things like that and screaming "BUT YOU PROMISED!" like a child.
@Vandy Exactly! It's just human to underestimate the amount work that needs to be done (or to find additional cool features that you want to implement) and to delay a project in the process. There's nothing wrong with that if you ask me.
It would've been worse if Aonuma had promised us that Zelda U will be released on December 18th, 2015 and then would've postponed it just one or two weeks before the planned release. If that happened, I would actually be a bit disappointed. But even then I'd still say: Let the artist do his work and deliver us a great product eventually.
@shani You got it.
In fact, when Zelda U was first announced, I pre-ordered it immediately. When I found out it was delayed, I said "aw, bummer. oh well" and am now patiently awaiting the release date. I have no idea why it is such a big deal to everyone else. If someone has a gun to your head and is demanding that you complete the story mode of Zelda U by February 20th, 2016, I could see you being a little annoyed. But otherwise, grow up.
@shani
You know you still put out cookies for Santa. j/k
True. They believe in the quality of their product, though they're certainly not perfect and can't catch everything all the timeand I don't get Gamer Entitlement attitudes either.
@Vandy So very true!
Xenoblade IS mentioned in the song. They even put the lyrics up on the YouTube page: "So many games to play from Xenoblade to Splatoon". Journalism involves investigation, never forget .
@Vandy
probably 'cause the "many quality, unique titles" on the wiiU aren't titles that they're interested, that and all the gloom and doom in the news.
But you know... the WiiU doesn't offer many unique titles at all really. I mean, aside from splatoon and treasure tracker, what does the WiiU offer that wasn't offered on the Wii? Mario Kart is on the Wii, not too different either. Bayonetta 2 isn't unique because 1 was already on other consoles, and it isn't drastically different. Hyrule Warriors is another skinned dynasty warriors, which many exist. tropical freeze isn't too different from it's predecessor, nor from the original donkey kong country games. Rainbow curse, canvas curse, wooly world and yoshi story or epic yarn. 3D world and 3D land, etc.
WiiU is fun and all, but what really makes it stand out from the Wii? nintendoLand?
@khaosklub
I don't think your argument was very well thought-out.
What makes PS4 stand out from PS3? Or PS2?
What makes XBoxOne stand out from XBox360? Or Xbox?
What makes Call of Duty 19 different from Call of Duty 17?
What makes Forza Motorsports 6 different from Forza Motorsports 5?
What makes NHL16 different from NHL12?
What makes Fallout 4 different from Fallout 3?
What makes Halo 6 different from Halo 4?
Why are the PS4 and XboxOne holiday lineups better than Wii U's?
What makes PS4 any different from XboxOne for that matter?
@Vandy
well, for one, I never claimed that other consoles have quality or unique titles. you claimed the WiiU had many quality and unique titles, while I only count splatoon, and maaaybe mario maker.
heck, I see no reason to get either PS4 nor Xbone, I'm fine with my WiiU and PS3, though I might pick up a steam machine if I ever figure out where they are and when they'll exist.
The point of my arguement really, what makes the WiiU's holiday lineup better than picking up a Wii and buying a bunch of cheap games? sure, the WiiU playes wii games and has Wii mode... but for those with Wii's, why upgrade? offscreen play? isn't that what the 3DS is for?
@khaosklub Ok, fine, if you want to play it that way, take out the word "unique" that you are so strangely fixated on from my original post and then everything I have said is valid and trumps your points. In fact, you helped me out by listing several of the quality titles that the Wii U has that every Wii U owner should try.
I ask you again, what makes PS4 and XboxOne's holiday lineups beter than Wii U?
Between PS4 and Xbox One, we have the following types of games:
Tomb Raider sequel, Destiny sequel, Halo sequel, Forza sequel, sports game sequels, Metal Gear sequel, Fallout sequel, Fable sequel, Battlefront sequel... etc.
So many unique titles!!!
Why upgrade from PS3 or Xbox360?
@Vandy @shani
"Rightfully" meaning that Nintendo was the one who put out a demo video claiming that Star Fox and Zelda U were still on track for Holiday 2015, only to completely reverse that decision in a span of 3 months. So much so, that Zelda fell off the face of the planet for nearly a year. Ironically, that decision was made after Nintendo's announcement with DeNA, and the very first mention of NX.
It's not really being winy, it's more of calling out Nintendo's crap. Rude, that one of you called it "child"like. Rude, that the other agreed. What happened to Star Fox fits your category of, "it's just a delay, so just deal with it, cause the game will be better." Something more drastic is going on with Zelda U. You're both right, Nintendo doesn't owe us squat, that's why Zelda U pulling a duel release is within the realm of possibility. I think that's crappy thing to do to Wii U owners, if a better version is made for the NX, but I can understand why Nintendo would do it. Childlike? No. Bull*hit from previous mentions? Yes.
So, in the meantime, yes, they "rightfully" deserve to be poked fun at for their delay.
@MoonKnight7 Blizzard put out a demo video claiming they were "still on track" for a summer 2015 release of StarCraft 2: Legacy of the Void" and reversed that decision within the span of 2 months, citing "balance issues". Why isn't anyone complaining about that?
You're really revealing yourself to be incredibly self-entitled.
Nice rap, and unfortunately all too fitting. Such a disappointing year outside of Xenoblade...
@MoonKnight7 First of all, I really don't want to start a flaming discussion here, because I don't think the delay of a game is worth it and I also don't think that we're that far away from each other. Just to be clear.
Correct me if I'm wrong, you're basically saying Nintendo should've released an unfinished Legend of Zelda U in 2015? Then what would've happened? Fans would've gone "rioting", the press would react with devastating articles that Nintendo doesn't release polished quality titles anymore etc.
Besides, you can't really compare those two games. From (the little) what we know, Legend of Zelda U will be a huge and groundbraking title. Starfox Zero isn't a small title either, but it's definitely not as huge and groundbraking as the new Zelda title. So it's absolutely understandable that they found more great ideas to fill the huge open world of Zelda U and that they faced big, unanticipated problems during the creation of this huge world.
Zelda U is definitely a case of "it's just a delay, so just deal with it, cause the game will be better."
And I think you're also wrong about the claim "Zelda U [was] still on track for Holiday 2015, only to completely reverse that decision in a span of 3 months." Was it? How do you know it was still on track, unless you're part of the developing team? Just because they haven't stated it publicly yet, doesn't mean it's automatically on track.
Besides, before the delay, Zelda U only had a loose release date: 2015. You honestly didn't take that for granted, did you? When someone tells you "the hoverboard will be released in year x", don't you think they made it vague on purpose because they can't yet say whether it will be finished by then?
If a game developer says "it will be released at sometime in the year 2015", you have to take it with a pinch of salt. Because it's totally normal in software development and the previous experience with the release dates of games from Nintendo as well as from other companies has taught us exactly that.
So when Nintendo said it would be released in 2015, everyone (including news sites like NL) assumed it could be at the end of the year, but not earlier. Because there already was so little time between the first announcement and the inital release (2015), it would've been a really close race to finish such an ambitioned game till the end of the year. Back then some people already questioned whether it would even be finished in 2015.
So the assumed (fictional) inital release would've been December 2015. But Nintendo already announced the delay on March 27th, 2015. They informed you about the delay nine months before the fictional release.
Just to mention a famous example, which I highly anticipated back then:
GTA V for PC was initally to release alongside PS4 and XB1 on November 18th 2014. In September, Rockstar Games delayed the PC version until January 27th. Then in January, just before the game was supposed to be released, they delayed it to March 24th. Then, in February 2014, they delayed it until April 14th. That's three delays!
You know what? I was a bit angry back then, not because of the delay, but because the others systems (including Xbox360 and PS3) were privileged (I even had bought a used Xbox360 to play GTA V and then sold it again after I had finished the main story).
But it all turned out for the best. GTA V on PC outperformes the other platforms by a long shot, so the delay of six months (or if you start counting from the first release on Xbox360 and PS3, 18 months) was absolutely worth the wait.
@Vandy
"You're really revealing yourself to be incredibly self-entitled."
Haha, once again, rude.
At least Blizzard cited a technical issue. As you said, these things happen. All Aonuma said was:
"to make it the ultimate and most complete Zelda game." That's about as helpful as broken-down car. Hasn't that always been the case with major installments? Or any game, really?
What argument are you trying to make? It's out within the year at least. Zelda U has only officially now just revealed that the game is coming in 2016. This isn't as simple as a delay, that's all I'm saying. Zelda U was MIA for way, way too long.
Listen, I could care less when it comes out, so this "entitled" bit you're running on is irrelevant to me; but sure, keep saying it if it makes you feel better. I'll play it in my own time, I've got too much of a backlog to get to it right away. For others, though, they've been waiting very patiently, with Nintendo remaining tight-lipped for unknown reasons. They deserve all the rumors that run around, if they're not going to do anything to disprove them.
@MoonKnight7 Go read shani's post. I can't do any better than that one, it's spot on.
@Rintarou_Okabe literally the first person to notice. Rintarou-kun, arigatoooooooooooooo gozansu!
Fortunately, i have a 3DS .
@shani
"First of all, I really don't want to start a flaming discussion here, because I don't think the delay of a game is worth it and I also don't think that we're that far away from each other. Just to be clear."
I agree. I appreciate the open dialogue, now. Saying things like "child" and "entitled" do not help the discussions along, but in fact, close them off. Yes, I agree that you and I are not far away from each other from the base of the argument. It's really specifics and observations now.
"Correct me if I'm wrong, you're basically saying Nintendo should've released an unfinished Legend of Zelda U in 2015?"
Not at all. If Zelda needed more time, then they should by all means do it. However...
"And I think you're also wrong about the claim "Zelda U [was] still on track for Holiday 2015, only to completely reverse that decision in a span of 3 months." Was it? How do you know it was still on track, unless you're part of the developing team? Just because they haven't stated it publicly yet, doesn't mean it's automatically on track."
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this video was pretty damn public and straight from the horse's mouth. You can choose to watch it, at the end, or read Mr. Whitehead's article.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/12/nintendo_reveals_new_wii_u_footage_and_details_for_the_legend_of_zelda_still_set_for_2015
Then this, a little more than 3.5 months later:
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/03/the_legend_of_zelda_for_wii_u_no_longer_set_for_2015_release
Now here's the interesting part:
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/03/nintendo_working_on_new_dedicated_game_platform_codenamed_nx
Notice the date? Maybe it's just a coincidence, but maybe it isn't. Remember when Nintendo repeatedly beat us over the head saying, "no" to smartphone games? They changed their mind pretty quick, and what happened? The stockholders meeting was right around the corner. It is within the realm of possibility that investors are pulling the strings here to give the NX a fighting chance by having Zelda as a duel release. Who can blame them? It could all be working parts to prop up the NX.
Wind Waker HD's main purpose for existing was to be the appetizer before the "main course," and now Twilight Princess joins the ranks in the form of an apology. Nintendo's "2016" is their way of saying Holiday, so you're right about that. It makes me a little nervous cause I know there isn't a lot of time left for the Wii U. I'm honestly surprised they couldn't get TP out in time for Xmas. They sure as hell need as much help as they can get.
In regards to your GTA reference. You kind of inadvertently sunk your own point, if two versions exist. By your own logic, you said the PC version was the best, and I don't doubt that. However, it's not a reasonable comparison to Zelda U, other than the delay. If the NX does have a hand in the delay, the Wii U version suffers for it. Quite the opposite, from GTA. They at least released 2 versions of it before the PC release. That sucks for people like yourself who were waiting for it, but at least many people had access to it prior to the "best version." For Zelda, if it's strictly cause they needed to fix some (apparently a lot) of things, well then, sure, just a delay then. As you can see in my links though, Nintendo does not instill confidence that Zelda U is strictly for Wii U. What I hope is that Nintendo at least has the decency to tell us what's going on soon.
That's always been a huge problem for them. They're always so damn secretive about everything. Even their first smart phone game (hardly a game) was a secret. It didn't have to be, and their shares wouldn't have taken a nosedive if they just let the cat out of the bag.
My point to my ramble is that that would be a sucky thing to do to people who bought a Wii U to play Zelda. 3 of my friends bought the system to play it, and now it seems possible that their purchase was (somewhat) wasted. Meaning, the NX version will get better X, Y and Z. Yes, there's still great things to play on Wii U, no one argues that, but they would have waited for NX if they had known a superior Zelda was coming.
Sure, everything is a wait and see, and arguably it's their fault for buying it without the game physically existing, but Nintendo was so confident. Really confident. Then it disappeared with literally no explanation, and remaining MIA until the latest Direct. Interestingly missing E3 cause Nintendo suddenly wanted to focus on just "upcoming games." Funny how they suddenly think that with NX right around the corner.
Sure Nintendo can do whatever they want, it's their business, but it's borderline bad business if it turns out to be true.
@Vandy
I'm honestly a little disappointed with your response. You simply bailed out of the conversation.
No, I didn't simply bail. Why would I parrot the exact same points that someone else has said better than I would have? Most would consider that a respectful and mature thing to do.
Honestly, though, with Splatoon and Mario Maker, Nintendo has released games that have and will continue to entertain their respective audiences for some time to come (especially, should Nintendo ever release Mario Maker DLC Packs). This summer, I have basically ignored a lot of games, both from Nintendo and other companies (even though I preordered and bought them) because I was so emersed into Splatoon. Yes, this may have died down now with Mario Maker taking its place (and hopefully Xeno X this december) but my point is - I don't need more games, especially from Nintendo. I mean, every morning I tell myself "This afternoon, you are going to play TriForce Heroes because it's a great game and you haven't played it like past World 1" and I always revert back to Mario Maker. I have tons of games, may it be on WiiU, 3DS, PS4, Steam that I could be playing. I am most certainly not complaining about the lack of games.
And honestly, while Amiibo Festival and Ultra Smash don't look like great games, there still are TriForce Heroes, the upcoming Xenoblade X and Mario & Luigi Paper Jam (well, in every part of the world but North America but hey, you guys got Yokai Watch so I consider this a fair trade) as well as the ever popular Mario Maker and Splatoon that parents could be buying for christmas. And Amiibos. Oh so many Amiibos ....
@MoonKnight7:
Ok, so youre saying the Investors intervened and are the cause for the postponing of Zelda U? I gotta admit, from the "evidence" presented, it's definitely a possiblity (one out of a few, I think). As you're rightfully saying yourself, it could be a coincidence or maybe not.
Regarding the changed stance on smartphone games, yes I also wondered if that decision was investor-driven, although I always had the impression that Nintendo is a company that runs pretty much indepent from their investors. But then again, this is only an outside impression, I can't tell how it looks from the inside. Although that deicison regarding smartphone games didn't come as surprising to me, I think mainly because I hadn't heard a lot about Nintendo's saying no to it before. Were they actually that strongly against smartphone games or did they just make some vague statements that you could also read differently? After all, Nintendo does this a lot and yes, they're secretive (they're also not the only ones), and although that might be outdated, I somehow like that about them. I like to try to solve their riddles. It gives everything a layer of mystery and while I'm usually an advocat of transparency, I think more transparency would actually take something away from Nintendo being a bit special. If we'd know more or everything before, there would be less ways to surprise us, which Aonuma clearly is aiming for. That's actually what I always liked about Nintendo, they usually manage to surprise you even if you think you know everything about their games.
Ok, this was a bit off-topic, so back to the links you posted and the timeline of events you're suggesting. For the sake of the argument, I'll use the publishing dates of the NL articles.
December 6th 2014: Zelda is set for 2015.
Although there's an important detail: Aonuma doesn't really give a straight answer in that video, he just says "Yes, all the staff members are working together and doing their best". So in a way, although his answer starts with "yes", he also dodges the question. Q´What he said sounds more like an answer to this question: "Are the staff members giving everything to ensure a 2015 release?"
March 17th 2015: Nintendo is cooperating with DeNA to develop smartphone games. On a sidenote, Iwata also states "As proof that Nintendo maintains strong enthusiasm for the dedicated game system business, let me confirm that Nintendo is currently developing a dedicated game platform with a brand-new concept under the development codename "NX." It is too early to elaborate on the details of this project, but we hope to share more information with you next year."
March 27th 2015: Legend of Zelda U is delayed into 2016.
So, judging from this, one could definitely pose the theory that there was some change in the decision-making. What I wonder about and don't really understand though is this:
Why should Zelda U be stretched out to become a NX title, "to give the NX a fighting chance", as you put it? I mean, every Nintendo home console so far had it's own original Zelda title (or sometimes even two). This means that the NX will get it's own Zelda title anyway. The Wii U on the other hand didn't have his yet.
This doesn't mean a dual release isn't feasible, but I think this scenario is more likely:
What I'm saying this: I highly doubt a dual release. This happened only once with Twilight Princess and the thing is: The Gamecube already had its own exclusive Zelda game: Wind Waker. And the Wii got its own Zelda game in Skyward Sword. Twilight Princess was between the two.
And if I'm getting you right, your argument hinges on a 2016 release of the NX. Since new information about the NX is scheduled to be unveiled in 2016 (as Iwata had originally stated, so that timeline is intact), I can't imagine how it's supposed to be released in the same year. I still think 2017 would be more plausible.
But then again, if the investors should really have that much power and are also influenced by the many people online stating that it will be released 2016 (without any proof so far), it's not totally impossible that they do release it in 2016. But I will doubt it until Nintendo says otherwise. ^^
I don't know when your three friends bought the Wii U but when I bought it in 2014, Zelda U wasn't announced yet. What I don't get: Why did they buy the Wii U now when they were only buying it for Zelda U? Why not wait until the release and then buy the console at a cheaper price? The only reason that comes to mind is: There were actually other games on Wii U that they also wanted to play right now (and there are a lot of great games). If that's true, then Zelda wasn't the sole purpose of the console. And buying a console just for one game is somewhat odd anyway. I mean, I did exactly that with the Xbox 360 and GTA V, although I also bought and played through Red Dead Redemption, since it was never released on PC. But I only paid 50€ for the used Xbox360 and sold it immediately after finishing those two games as I had planned from the beginning. So I had the console for maybe two months tops.
What I surely wouldn't have done was buying a Xbox360 one or two years before the release of GTA V, because that makes absolutely no sense.
'Wind Waker HD's main purpose for existing was to be the appetizer before the "main course,"'
And that's just totally wrong. When Wind Waker HD was released, Zelda U wasn't even announced yet. It was just an HD remake, like many people had requested it before (not specific to WW, just in general). If anything, it was meant as a quick-to-develop launch title, but surely not as an appetizer for something that would be released 3 years later. I mean, you don't go to a restaurant and eat a soup, only to wait 3 hours for the main course. You eat the soup and then eat the main course shortly after that. That's what an appetizer is for. If you would have to wait 3 hours for the main course, you would already be way to hungry and go some place else to grab a sandwich or something.
@shani
"Ok, so youre saying the Investors intervened and are the cause for the postponing of Zelda U? I gotta admit, from the "evidence" presented, it's definitely a possiblity (one out of a few, I think). As you're rightfully saying yourself, it could be a coincidence or maybe not."
Yes, that's correct. I am merely stating it as a possibility. Obviously it is impossible to really know what was said at that time, but it is within the realm of possibility that that's what happened.
"Regarding the changed stance on smartphone games, yes I also wondered if that decision was investor-driven, although I always had the impression that Nintendo is a company that runs pretty much indepent from their investors."
Yes and no. Nintendo largely does what they want, but they are incredibly large, they are not bullet proof to bad times, nor are they bullet-proof in having to listen to "influential people" when the times get rough.
"Although that deicison regarding smartphone games didn't come as surprising to me, I think mainly because I hadn't heard a lot about Nintendo's saying no to it before. Were they actually that strongly against smartphone games or did they just make some vague statements that you could also read differently?"
Yes. Nintendo repeatedly said on numerous occasions that they were not going to be involved with smart phone games. Even Reggie said, "At Nintendo we prefer to have games with buttons." If I recall, this was said at E3 2014, but I honestly cannot find a source for you, and I'm going off my memory. It's difficult to find Nintendo's past references about this, especially since the internet is flooding with DeNA news and whatnot; however, right after DeNA's announcement, Iwata came under fire and I think this article states the 180 perfectly:
http://wiiudaily.com/2015/03/iwata-stance-on-smartphone-gaming/
This line in particular: "While that statement didn’t come from Iwata itself, his statement at the latest investor Q&A session does mention that he’s been opposed to creating smartphone games in the past. In fact, Iwata has seemed reluctant right up until this announcement of the partnership, so it could be that he was overruled by Nintendo’s board of directors and is trying to save face."
Iwata talked about making apps, but not games. Even though he denied it at the last investor meeting, he took a pretty hard stance against it a year prior, and well after. He was resilient right up to the end, so I think that paragraph states what happened perfectly.
"After all, Nintendo does this a lot and yes, they're secretive (they're also not the only ones), and although that might be outdated, I somehow like that about them. I like to try to solve their riddles."
Haha, I love riddles too, that's why I come here, so we can figure them out together. However, as much as I love surprises, I think Nintendo could use some more transparency on some things. Not everything, but some. For instance, Game Informer gets complaints all the time from their readers that they don't cover enough Nintendo news. Their representative is constantly saying that Nintendo does not share much with them, so they can't report on it. Would it kill them to throw them a bone? Even if it essentially says nothing, the sort of "free advertising" could only benefit, I think. The smart phone app was an example of Nintendo not realizing that some things don't need to be wrapped with a ribbon and a bow. Sometimes, the announcement is more practical as Miitomo was, and that isn't something that deserves a "huge announcement." Hopefully they learned that lesson when their company lost 4 billion in shares.
In regards to the first link I sent you (in the prior post), Miyamoto says, "You're sure this is a Wii (oddly forgot the U) release next year?" Aonuma says, "Yes, (pause) all the staff members are working together and doing their best". If Nintendo wanted to dodge the question, they wouldn't have asked it. Don't forget this video was produced by Nintendo. You can interpret it the way you did, but I think about where we were at the time when it was made. Knowing what you know now, yeah, you can interpret it that way, but that was a pretty concrete answer. He did in fact say, "yes..."
What I am trying to say, and I don't think I was overly clear on this in the last post, is that something happened. Something pretty drastic in those 3 months or so. Nintendo's 2014 E3 presentation was an incredible success. They brought out Super Mario Maker, Splatoon, Code Name Steam, Zelda, even Star Fox got a nod. There was a sense of hope, despite their dismal sales for Wii U, that Nintendo was simply going to dig it's heels and just muscle through the hard times until it was time for new hardware. Then this video came out, solidifying that Star Fox and Zelda were well on their way, and soon.
In that 3 month span of time, I think it's pretty evident that Nintendo simply had to bend to the wishes of investors and board members. It was obvious to them that Nintendo needed to ditch the plans and start over. It's debatable as to if that's right or wrong, but I honestly cannot blame them for weighing in heavily. That's why Nintendo's last E3 was basically a disaster, simply focusing on "upcoming games," adding fuel to the flames that the Wii U was basically dead. There was no further vision like the last E3, which is why that was such a success.
Now that timeline you've listed is of course possible. I think you've got a good grasp as to how things could play out, and could very possibly turn out that way. My only issue with that timeline is that the NX releasing in 2017 further hinders it's chances at being a success. Nintendo needs to release it as soon as possible, otherwise no one will care as they will have already bought an Xbox or PS4.
I'm not saying your timeline couldn't happen, but the NX becomes a riskier move with each passing day. Holiday 2016 would be better with the hopes of trying to get a few of those Xbox and PS4 sales, before people switch over entirely and not care what Nintendo does. Particularly, I'm talking about family audiences, ones who haven't switched over from last generation due to strapped incomes.
What I do believe, and your timeline agrees, is that Zelda U will be seen on both consoles, at some point, be it immediately or soon after. Nintendo needs to get the dedicated fans over to NX too, what better way than with an updated Zelda?
You're right about TP being the only time a duel release happened. If I may though, look how similar the GameCube and Wii U are. Nintendo said that if they ever had a console with sales like the GameCube, that console would be a failure. The Wii U has under half the sales of the GameCube, so I find it very possible for history to repeat itself. I honestly don't think the one Zelda per console is a relevant rule here. The GameCube had Wind Waker 1.5 - 2 years into it's lifespan. The game was already well under way even before the GameCube released. Now look at the Wii U game, it wasn't started until Skyward Sword wrapped at the very end of the Wii's life. It's not an apples to apples comparison. If Nintendo would have been able to start production sooner, then I don't think we'd be having this conversation. A Zelda would have already been out for Wii U. The difference is, the Wii U wasn't blessed with having the Zelda team start sooner.
In regards to my friends, yes they played other games in the meantime, but their reasoning was because Zelda was coming and games like MK8 were out already. So yes, there's things to play, but it was cause Zelda was on the way, and they were going to have fun in the meantime. It's not outlandish, I don't think. That's why I said "(somewhat) wasted."
Haha, you are wise to not believe the internet, sure, Nintendo is the ones holding the keys. I've thought about my opinion very carefully to come to this conclusion, but yes, I could end up being totally wrong. These are all based on observations. However, I do think I'm right in at least a few aspects.
@shani
Whoops sorry, forgot to reply to this:
'Wind Waker HD's main purpose for existing was to be the appetizer before the "main course,"'
And that's just totally wrong. When Wind Waker HD was released, Zelda U wasn't even announced yet..."
Sorry, I'm the bearer of bad news again, but that's actually true.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/01/23/zelda-wind-waker-getting-wii-u-remake
@MoonKnight7: Wow, I didn't know that Iwata statement regarding Wind Waker HD. Then I admit, you were right, and I think it wasn't smart of them to say that at that point.
Yeah, in the end we all can only guess and try to solve riddles (until we know for sure), but what I like is that you actually back up your assumptions and argument with reason and caution instead of just rambling about something without thinking about it thoroughly (like many people do).
It's somewhat funny that eventually Nintendo's first mobile announcement turned out to be an app and not a game, but the other mobile released will probably be games I guess.
"It's difficult to find Nintendo's past references about this, especially since the internet is flooding with DeNA news and whatnot" Totally, I tried to google it before my last post and only found articles about the cooperation. That's why I hoped you would know it off your memory.
And I agree on a bit more transparency. Like in the case of Game Informer. Unless there wasn't some incidence which led Nintendo to act like that, I would say it's not beneficial for them.
And yeah, the fact that Nintendo had Miyamoto ask Aonuma that question in the video and that Aonuma does somehow say yes, without giving a 100% straight answer (otherwise he could've replied with something like "yes, the game will be finished in 2015 for sure") does surprise me a bit. It doesn't feel like they (Miyamoto and Aonuma) didn't want to ask that question in the video. This would actually support your theory.
And it's also a bit odd that they changed their stance on mobile games in such a short amount of time. When the DeNA partnership was announced, my initial thoughts were also that something internally had changed. Though I imagined it more like the financial director pressurizing the leading figures to make smartphone games. But it could've been some investors as well. In that regard, the apoointment of Tatsumi Kimishima as new president could've also come from the shareholders.
Thinking of the halfhearted way the company is approaching smartphones, it would even make more sense that the shareholders pressured them into going mobile and Nintendo said "Well, ok... here you go, Miitomo". Actually, this makes me fear that Nintendo could one day be purely dominated by shareholder interests (like any company on the stock market) and lose its "soul". Or in other words, I hope Nintendo doesn't go the way of Konami and ends up like Sega.
I hear you regarding the 2017 release, depending on other developments in the market, maybe it could be even wiser to release in 2016, I don't know. But I always wondered if this releasing of the next-gen console before the competitors (like Sega did with the Dreamcast and Nintendo with the Wii) is any good at all. I mean, sure, it releases earlier and therefore has a head start of one year regarding garnering customers, but it also gets old one year earlier than the competition. Besides, the NX would still also have to compete with PS4 and XB1.
Your point about the Zelda release history makes somewhat sense, but wasn't it the same situation with TP and SS? TP was released at the end of the Gamecube's lifespan and SS came at the end of the Wii's lifespan. So if we ignore the Zelda-per-console-rule, it would be fitting if Zelda U also came out at the end of the Wii U's lifespan.
To sum everything up: Your posts actually convinced me a bit that something has happened that changed the decision-making, with the investors or internally, but in the light of your argumentation, external influence from investors actually seems more probable.
I think my projection could be what Nintendo had planned originally and now all of it could change. And if it's true, I don't really know if I like it at all. Sure, I want Nintendo to be successful and I think they "deserve" (from what they have to offer generally and how they try to be unique) more than the underpart the Wii U has played, but at the same time I fear they could be influenced and bend over backwards until they're not recognizable as Nintendo anymore.
But apart from all that, I would be happy to play The Legend of Zelda U sooner than later (as long as the game is polished).
@ikki5 Since when are epic AAA JRPGs niche? Nobody ever says that about the latest Final Fantasy game.
Technically, Xenoblade did get a mention in the rap, just not in connection with the Christmas lineup part. My bigger concern is how they're claiming the NX is coming out next year. There is absolutely no evidence of that, and considering we were only given an early reveal of the codename with absolutely no other info to date, I still think a 2017 release is much more likely with the first real details given at E3 2016.
@khaosklub "Mario Kart Wii" absolutely sucks in comparison to "Mario Kart 8," and the Wii U version of Smash Bros. is also a pretty big step forward for its franchise. "Super Mario 3D World" may not be unique in comparison to "3D Land," but that's a 3DS game, so it is pretty unique in comparison to any Wii Mario game. Then you've got "Yoshi's Woolly World," "The Wonderful 101," "Lego City: Undercover" (which is unque compared to previous Lego games), "Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker," and some e-shop games like "Child of Light" and "Freedom Planet." We've also got "Xenoblade Chronicles X" (a much expanded sequel) just around the corner with Zelda, Star Fox, and Pokken Tournament dropping early next year. If the Wii is your only console, then you can also throw in the two Bayonetta games as well as multi-platform releases with quality Wii U ports like "Injustice: Gods Among Us," "Assassin's Creed IV," "Tekken Tag Tournament 2," as well as e-shop games like "Ducktales: Remastered," "Shovel Knight," and "Guacamelee." There are still plenty of reasons to upgrade to a Wii U if you know where to look.
@BulbasaurusRex
But to the average uninformed consumer, the seem like exactly the same games, thus making it more confusing as to whether the wii u is different from the wii.
How does the wiiU distinguish itself from the wii? I mean, wiiu's version of games like smash and mario kart are better, but the wii's versions are by no means bad.
@shani
"Wow, I didn't know that Iwata statement regarding Wind Waker HD. Then I admit, you were right, and I think it wasn't smart of them to say that at that point."
Haha, let's go a little easy on Iwata here, I don't think anyone could have predicted what was going to happen; and to be fair, Nintendo even just recently said it's still coming to Wii U. It sounds like the promise will be fulfilled, even though it's late.
I guess the only string attached is your comment about TP and SS. Yes, TP was also at the end and beginning of the GameCube and Wii, respectively. However, the reason why I believe what I do is because the Wii U is only 3 years old, and it already has a shadow from the next console. The Wii was incredibly successful at launch, and by the time SS was ready, the Wii had almost 90 million consoles out there. The Wii U, has just over 10 million at the time of writing. That's why it makes sense to have Zelda U become a duel release like Twilight Princess, to not only get sales from the Wii U base (and fulfill their promise), but to set up the NX the best it can to be successful. I'm not saying that's what will happen, but history supports the theory. Maybe Zelda got delayed cause they simply needed more time, but maybe NX wheels are turning. It's hard to say.
I wouldn't worry about Nintendo losing it's "soul" anytime soon. I think it'll be there for a very long time. However, no one can deny that the Wii U was a pretty big whoops. It makes sense to rely on board members and investors in times of trouble. Yes, they're in it to make money, and I don't think all of them are necessarily "good people," looking out for us gamers, but they all want Nintendo to succeed. A lot of those people do have business experience, and I think Nintendo needs a little of that right now to get them out of trouble. That's why Kimishima's temporary appointment makes sense (though there's always the possibility that it could become permanent, it really depends on how well he does). I think Miyamoto and Takeda's new titles of Creative Fellow and Technology Fellow (such odd titles, lol) are supposed to make you and I feel better that Nintendo's soul remains intact.
NX is certainly an interesting development, quite frankly this hasn't happened before in Nintendo's history (a stop-gap console I mean), so I am cautiously optimistic that they can right the ship, and learn from the Wii U's mistakes. That said, it is an uphill battle coming out mid-gen, especially since the PS4 and Xbox seem to have very good footholds. Don't judge me, but I just got my wife a PS4 for Xmas. Shhh, don't tell! Haha.
The only fear I have is that if NX does release next year, that Nintendo won't have enough games ready for launch and it will be the same thing that immediately plagued the Wii U, eventually causing it's demise. What I'm hoping is that Nintendo comes back strong with next year's E3 with a lot of games for the NX, to make up for their lackluster one this year. That's why the third parties are so incredibly important going forward. It is incredibly frustrating when I hear from people (and I don't mean you, you seem to have good outlook on things) that Nintendo doesn't need third parties. They do. The Wii U is obvious proof that they need them. Even though they aren't always stellar games, Nintendo needs games like Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty to fill in the gaps from Nintendo's great games. The Wii U tried that initially but faltered due to a lot of other factors. The NX needs to be easily accessible for third parties to port the games over, and above all, people need to buy them. This won't be an easy fix, given that the Wii and Wii U were more difficult to develop for, and that a lot of the games third parties made, weren't bought by a lot of people, especially on Wii U. That's why we saw so many cases of games lacking certain features, as the game developers didn't want to waste the time on a market that won't buy their game. This is not an easy fix going forward, but Nintendo can start with a machine that makes things easier to port to.
I appreciate the feedback. You have good thoughts as well, and I appreciate the open dialogue. This was a good back and forth. Funny that this whole thing stemmed from a simple misunderstanding about two guys rapping, lol. We're all on the same team here, and want Nintendo to succeed. It will be interesting to see what happens going forward.
@khaosklub You could say the same thing about any video game sequel that always keeps the franchise name in the title. I'd imagine the average fans would recognize a sequel by a different number or subtitle as they would with any other video game or movie like "Halo 4" or "Star Wars: The Force Awakens."
I'd beg to differ in the case of "Mario Kart Wii." It's completely outshined by "Double Dash" or even "64" now that the online play is kaput.
@BulbasaurusRex
Nintendo games have typically been drastically different with new console generations.
Mario kart Wii has so many more options than N64. Haven't played double dash, but I think you were limited to karts.
But that aside, yes, franchises tend to be samey to be safe choices for fans. But there are more than just franchise sequels on most consoles. WiiU has splatoon... that's about it. Maybe art academy.
Wii introduced games like wii sports, deblob, no more heroes, wii fit, murumasa, etc. It had a broad library. WiiU has mostly wii's greatest hits redone, a bit better than psbore and xbummer with their ports of exactly the same games from the previous gen.
The console itself doesn't seem to do anything new either. Same controllers, same apps, just that it has a tablet attached, at least it so appears to the average consumer.
"Mario Kart Wii" does feature better graphics and more karts, characters (although with too many baby and dry characters), and tracks, as well as motion controls and bikes that aren't all that great of additions; but it also has an absolutely terrible Battle Mode, hardly any other local multiplayer options, overall worse track design, and the worst item balance in the entire series. Its one shining beacon was online play, but you can't do that anymore.
Perhaps, but sequels to established franchises are what generally appeal and sell most to the average fans. In any case, the Wii U does also feature "The Wonderful 101" and several other new IPs on the e-Shop.
I don't like rap, but they used Bomberman 64 music. That's something!
Correction: Its from Bomberman Hero.
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