Super Mario Galaxy is regarded by some - including this writer - as not just one of the best Mario games, but one of the greatest video games period. Following the rapid arrival of sequel Super Mario Galaxy 2 in 2010, however, all has been silent on a third entry, with only fake box-arts and primitive fan trailers for Super Mario Galaxy 3 gracing the web.
The Wii U has brought us a 3D Mario game, and a rather brilliant one, in the form of Super Mario 3D World. That is what can be described as more of a hybrid, however, combining some 2D-style mechanics and greater accessibility to achieve some notable sales success for the struggling system. As good as the Galaxy games are, they struggle to achieve the same commercial success (on an attach-rate basis, at least) as 2D entries or the hybrid 'Mario 3D' titles on 3DS and Wii U.
That's clearly been part of the reasoning for the absence of Super Mario Galaxy 3 on Wii U. Speaking to Eurogamer, Shigeru Miyamoto has explained that the decision was taken to avoid more complex, free-roaming 3D Mario experiences in favour of more commercially successful approaches. As a result of that, and of prioritising resources, the Galaxy series is on the developer's wishlist for future hardware.
[A new Mario Galaxy] is always in discussion. But even with Mario 64 there was a lot of feedback about motion sickness with the 3D or maybe us making it too difficult.
Going back to our roots and making New Super Mario Bros., anyone can play that. So that's why we went back.
We're always thinking, is there a middle ground where people who do enjoy the 3D worlds of Galaxy and those who enjoy New Super Mario Bros. can both enjoy it? We're always looking at those opportunities.
...On the other hand, me and [Yoshiaki] Koizumi-san, director of Galaxy, are always looking to challenge Galaxy and do another 3D action title. However we can't make so many games at once in parallel.
But as the hardware technology gets better and advances, I think there will be a lot of opportunity for both options.
Miyamoto-san was also asked about fan surprise at various spin-offs revealed this year, with notable examples being Metroid Prime: Federation Force, Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer and Animal Crossing: amiibo Festival. The game designer - currently also sharing the leadership of Nintendo on an interim basis - spoke about the need to surprise players utilising the hardware on offer.
In terms of Metroid, yes, it wasn't exactly what fans expected. With Animal Crossing [Happy Home Designer] we have a new type of gameplay but it is still the same franchise - perhaps not along the traditional line of what you expect but what we always try to do is work with the hardware we have.
If you look across the line-up of what we have for this year we're using the amiibo cards, amiibo, the [Mario Maker] editing tool, two screens. Both the new Metroid and Zelda: Triforce Hero titles are new in terms of their gameplay.
Even moving on to the year after, we're always thinking of ways to surprise the audience.
It's positive to hear that the Super Mario Galaxy franchise is still on Miyamoto-san's mind, and clearly the company isn't dissuaded from exploring new ideas for its franchises. Let us know what you think of Miyamoto-san's comments.
[source eurogamer.net]
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Wish he would want to make a new "F-Zero"... but I'm ok planet hoping once more for "Super Mario Galaxy 3" too.
Fun as it is, SM3DW falls well short of either Galaxy game. I would love a new one, though I think I might prefer a sequel to Sunshine, actually.
Woe be to my wallet, if Nintendo EAD Tokyo Division 2 manages to craft another galactic masterpiece of other*world*ly proposals. Such a game would land me to where the sun shines, as I joint my brothers on a super adventure with Mario.
I'm fine with 3D Wolrd. It's a nice, comfy game for when you relax.
But, I recently started to listen to the Galaxy and Galaxy 2 OSTs (thanks to Iwata Asks), and I was blown away by how fantastic they were.
No doubt about it, I better pick up both Galaxy games!
I would be up for Mario Galaxy 3. The first two are still some of the best, most imaginative (and fun) games I've played. My girlfriend would flip over a third one too...I got her playing the first one, and when the second one came out we were both super excited.
Two Galaxy's are enough. Super Mario 64 2 would be better. Or a Lego City type open world for a Mario Sunshine revisited.
@TheWPCTraveler Tokyo EAD 1 is the guys behind the Zelda remakes' leadership, those 3DS "Photos With..." apps and the Louvre Guide.
You're thinking of Tokyo EAD 2/3 (3 started Captain Toad)
@astrogamer What are you talking about? :^)
Super Mario Galaxy 3 has to be one of my most wanted games, the first two were so amazing.
3D World was pretty fun multiplayer but as a single player experience was kinda boring.
3D Land is a poor compromise between the 2D and 3D gameplay because it throws out everything that makes the 3D games appealing: the open level design, the freedom to progress through the game the way you want, and the unique themes and gameplay elements. Besides being in 3D, the only thing they carried over really was star collecting and they did it wrong, adding a star collection requirement to 3D World is utterly pointless because you still have to reach the goal to get to the next level anyway. Ultimately, 3D Land and 3D World aren't the happy balance between the two styles Miyamoto wants it to be, it's basically NSMB in 3D.
The lineup in general is having the same problem, they keep wanting to "surprise the player" but they seem to have forgotten what it is about their IPs the fans find appealing. It should be no surprise that the fans aren't happy with what they've been doing. Or more likely "surprising the player" is a PR excuse to hide the real reason why they don't want to make the game the fans want.
I don't know if I would like another Galaxy games, because we already had 2 of them and, as Mario Kart 8 showed us, there are many aspects of the Mario universe that can be explored aside from the galaxy themes.
Surely, the scope of the game shouldn't be less than that of Galaxy even if the game is on firm ground. Super Mario 3D World had a smaller scope and was focused with a more linear design and more abstract environments. This is perfectly fine, but of course it also means that it cannot replace a gameplay like that of Super Mario 64 nor it can be an experience so fascinating like that of Super Mario Galaxy, which is probably why we are still talking about another Super Mario Galaxy or whatsoever.
Fast news day, eh
What bothers me about his comments are actually what isn't considered: the strength of core gamers who love the challenge. If you make a fun, deep 3D Mario platformer, it will stick around for ages, and those dedicated gamers repay you in the long run. Keep making these shallow, quick-shot selling platformers and you'll have no longevity, man.
3D world was a fun diversion, but while playing it I always felt like I was waiting for something else.
I would be up for a third game, but I rather have something new with the same non-linear formula that the series share Mario 64 and Sunshine.
Remember when Galaxy was announced and everyone was excited because it was new and different? I want a Mario game announced with the same impact.
Put Cat Mario in space.
BAM, watch the money roll in...
I know everyone else loves Mario Galaxy, but I fit into Miyamoto's assessment of suffering from motion sickness from it. I love the idea of a big 3d Mario game, but it needs to be a game I can actually play.
While I always want a new 3D Mario game, I'd much rather see something other than a new Galaxy game. Two of them were enough, let's get something entirely new or something more like 64 or Sunshine.
3D Land and 3D World were developed to be more accessible to the majority of consumers who play the 2D games over the 3D games.
AND I HATE IT.
Man, quit reminding us of that horrid disappointment of a Wii U Animal Crossing game!
Please make it the Wii U's swansong... We still don't haven't had a fully 3D Mario game yet. And the Wii had TWO!
so if we've got Pikmin 4, bump the new Zelda from Wii U to NX (or make it cross gen), and give us either Galaxy 3 or Sunshine 2.... sounds like a hell of a launch for NX right there.
No thanks.
Sometimes gamers don't want to be surprised. Happy Home Designer was enough of a surprise, but for a Wii U title, it would've been better to give players what they want over what Nintendo thinks they want and not know that they want it. Pikmin 4 is a good surprise, but at the same time nobody would expect a main entry in the series so soon after Pikmin 3, and a spin-off would've been completely acceptable.
Metroid Prime: Federation Force is a bad surprise because the series hadn't seen a good game in a good while, and for the new game to be a spin-off with an emphasis on multiplayer just left long-time fans confused and angry, and introducing it as a sci-fi sports title during NWC 2015 didn't help any. (For the record, I'm still looking forward to Federation Force, but I also acknowledge that it was a huge mistake on Nintendo's part.)
@Bolt_Strike "The freedom to progress through the game the way you want"
Galaxy 2 threw that out first to a certain extent. You had some freedom, but for all intents and purposes, it did throw it out.
As great as Galaxy 1 and 2 were, I really want them to make something different. I'd be more okay with a Sunshine sequel but I much rather have a 3D Mario game doing its own thing.
So this means one likely isn't in development at the moment. This means that the 3D Mario that brings in the NX is another iteration in the 3D Land/3D World series.
While I trust Miyamoto-dono implicitly I like the fact that normally 3d marios are one and done...I've had my fill of galaxy...please make something different.
That being said...I'd still buy galaxy 3. It would look NUTS in HD.
Oh yeah! Why not?
@IceClimbers Which is why Galaxy 1 is far better than Galaxy 2 IMO. Galaxy 2 had too many galaxies and you would never really fully explore any of them as you would in SMG1, Dusty Dune from SMG1 had 7 stars in it, sure there was green stars, but they weren't generally that hard to find and they didn't feel anywhere near as satisfying as going through several new planets.
How can SM64 cause motion sickness? Also how is that game hard?
But either way, I'm looking forward to Galaxy 3!
@Frank90 Galaxy 2 is much harder then it should be and considering I'm something like 5 worlds into the second game, the difficulty is like that of the trial galaxies of the first game and makes the game very hard for me.
I would love to see a new Mario Galaxy game!
I can understand why Mario Galaxy felt too complex for large parts of the crowd.
They did do a lot to faltten out the perspective and limit the immediate playfields though. And maybe they could do an even better jobs in a new one.
They're certainly great games for people who're really good at video games, but when Galaxy sells les than a third of New Super Mario Bros. Wii, I understand why they can't only go that direction.
Still, Mario Galaxy kept them firmly on the map, and relevant to all of gaming in 2008, winning GOTY ahead of Red Dead Redemption with many publications, so they can't afford to NOT push the envelope in some respects.
I normally wouldn't want them to make another Mario Galaxy since it's unique hook is, well, not very unique anymore. Considering Super Mario 3D World is not nearly as good as the Galaxy games, though (though not nearly as bad as some people say is) , maybe a return isn't such a bad idea.
YEAH! That's great news! Exactly what I wanted to hear. I was always hoping for another Mario Galaxy game, now at least I know that series isn't dead.
I would buy it instantly. The galaxy games are the best of mario ever.
Screw motion sickness and the incapable. Bring the galaxy on.
I've yet to finish Galaxy 2. But still, great news. The Galaxy games are some of the most perfect spectacles of gameplay design the industry has ever seen.
Please, not another Galaxy. Those games are overrated and I would prefer if they didn't rehash it.
I would like either Sunshine 2 or a new idea like this:
Super Mario Universe, it could be open world and you could travel between dimensions/worlds and perhaps travel through time. They could make a massive scale game like that.
C'mon, think up new ideas. That's why I respected Nintendo so much in the past.
Same ole, same ole like everyone else these days.
Please, no more New Super Mario titles. They cheaply made and bland. No one needs that. 3D World is perfectly suitable for any range of gamers, make more titles like that.
I keep getting hope for something like Super Mario Sunshine, and if we aren't going to get that I'd rather have a brand-new Super Mario game than a third Galaxy.
@Peace-Boy But... There already was a time travelling Mario game
@whodatninja That was an RPG and a spin off. It would be different for a 3D platformer.
I guess I'm a freak because I loved Galaxy and 3D World.
Honestly I felt 3D world had some more challenging levels then the Galaxy games. Not that either series was as hard as the nes games.
3D World was awesome, and since me and the hubby often play games together, it was even better! Galaxy is an awesome single player game, and I look forward to the possibility of a sequel, until then tho, I'd like Nintendo to pull a Wind waker and release an HD version of Super Mario Sunshine.
Eh... Another great click-bait article. Miyamoto said he wanted to produce another 3D game in the vein of 64/Galaxy, not necessarily Galaxy 3.
Time for an open world 3d mario game. GTA Mario style.
I really would love to see a new Mario 64 game. That game is so great, feels so free and is a real challenge in some levels. There is no "hand holding" when failing a level 10 times in a row. But that is what video games are about!
I hate to disagree with Miyamoto but just because some people think a game is too hard, it doesn't mean that the game is not for everyone. I had a lot of friends in the 90s which weren't good in Mario 64 but loved to explore the levels, swimming and so on. They weren't able to beat the penguin but they don't need that to enjoy the game. They were getting better at the game just by exploring and enjoying the 3D world.
Even after 19 years, Mario 64 is still the best 3D Mario for me. In Mario 64 you could collect the stars in your own order and sometimes stumble on one of them.
The freedom of Mario 64 is what I really miss in Mario games these days. No time limit, no playing order, no level order, almost no obligatory levels and many ways to get the star.
Sunshine and Galaxy were fine since they were fresh and new. But now it is the time for the real Mario 128, i.e. moving platforms, slides, wall jumps and so on.
As much as I want to respect this man's direction, I feel that the Super Mario Galaxy series is better off with two titles, and I liked those two titles (especially the second). Making a third one would just be milking it, in my opinion.
I'm still holding out for a 3D Mario game, where Mario regains his fighter-style Melee Attacks from 64.
If Super Mario Galaxy 3 does happen...
groans
there goes my wallet.
@StephenYap3 I really miss the punches and kicks from Mario 64. They felt great in combination with the jumping.
@Peace-Boy I would buy two copies of that game that utilized that idea, especially for the time-travelling part, which I would assume would be better utilized than what Mario's Time Machine and Partners in Time (grrrr!!) did.
@StephenYap3 What's wrong with Partners in Time? It may be my least favourite in the M&L series but it was still pretty good. The time travel could have been less restricted though, I hope they return to that in a future game after Paper Jam Bros.
HOLY KOOPA KING, I WANT SUPER MARIO GALAXY 3 <3
@Peace-Boy I'm sorry, but I was mainly refering to the time-travelling part. As you said, it was restricted, but I expected a lot more out of it. I mean, what if I wanted to explore other areas in the present, as well as change some parts in the present in the past (mainly for the sake of...maybe, puzzle-solving)? That would've made it a lot more sense for the game to have a time-travelling mechanic.
@StephenYap3 Yeah, I know what you mean. When I said restricted, I meant the fact that Peach's Castle acts as a hub where you just go into the past in each different area. It would have been better if you could explore the present time for those areas and also if the areas weren't restricted, as in if all those areas were connected through actual paths.
There's also the fact that it didn't really make much sense since the present wasn't altered at all when the past was affected a lot.
The game also feels quite short compared to the other games after replaying it several times, fixing the restriction problems would have made it longer.
I'd love a Mario Galaxy 3 but a 3D game in the STYLE of it would be better. I think it's best 3D World be the last of its kind.
Eh, whatever. I guess the idea for another Mario Sunshine got shot down again. I mean Galaxy 1&2 were great especially the music, but I hope they at least make the story intro for 3 different because 2 kinda felt the same as the first in my opinion. I also hope they make the final boss a worthy one because the final boss for Mario Galaxy 2 was just way too easy and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who agrees with that.
Gosh, I really hope we get another Super Mario Galaxy entry! I've gotta say, this is a great news day, between this and the confirmation of Pikmin 4.
I'd totally be up for a Galaxy 3, but no more after that. I'd want an actual Galaxy successor afterwards.
@Peace-Boy Agreed! I really don't want another Galaxy game, either. A sequel to Sunshine would be amazing, and that idea for a game you came up with sounds great!
I would also prefer a sequel to 64 than Galaxy. I think two Galaxies is enough.
Maybe the next game could be Super Mario Universe with stuff from and inspired by 64, Sunshine, Galaxy and it's own stuff as well.
Yeah, that's the ticket.
Good things often come in threes, like the Original super Mario Brothers. Please, Please, PLEASE make us a Super Mario Galaxy 3, for Wii-U or NX...
I won't be buying a 3rd Mario Galaxy. Move on to something new.
Mario 64? Too difficult? Really?
Really enjoyed 3d world but I would have enjoyed galaxy 3 more no doubt
Who the F*** said Mario 64 was too difficult???
@IxnayontheCK the people who didn't buy it I guess.
I don't understand why miyamoto feels he has to choose between 2d and 3d mario games...they are totally different franchises with different teams working on them. So what the 2D games sell better but the 3D ones sell great as well, and really improve nintendo's reputation as a innovative company. They find resource to make pikmin bloody 4 but not the game everyone wants....so incredibly frustrating!!!!!!!!
no! forget mario galaxy 3 where is mario sunshine2 dammit!!
or a whole new 3d mario to begin with >.>
It seems to be more and more excuses of why they don't want to really listen to their fans anymore. They have the demand for the title, as well as they had the demand for Animal crossing on Wii U, but they just ignored, and I guess I don't really get it except for the fact that the fanbase is not high for the Wii U, so they may not make enough money on the titles to keep a strong profit, but still.
I could see Super Mario Galaxy 3 or a 3D mario adventure come to their next platform, but if the NX proves to be a flop like the Wii U is, then it may not. CAPTION...I know Wii U is not a complete flop, but it's not nintendo's highest selling system...and yes, I own one, before people start to troll me on this).
Anyways, hopefully the NX will be a powerful machine that will be very hyped and sell as much as the Wii did...then we'd start to see some really good games. Even if they have this 3D mario adventure, Pikmin 4 and some other goodies as their launch titles, they'd have a powerful system to come back into grace with, and that's what nintendo needs...you look at advertisements as the next gen consoles, and you only see XONE and PS4...Wii U is barely even mentioned anymore.
After people think that Sonic Generations 2 might be coming next year, now here will come Super Mario Galaxy 3 in the future. Nintendo needs to make Super Mario 3D Land 2 & Super Mario 3D World 2 first.
Another Galaxy? Just make something more like 64 or Sunhsine.
From the sounds of it, we won't see a new Galaxy (or a new free-roaming 3D Mario for that matter) soon because Nintendo thinks its to difficult for us. So we might get a Mario 3D world again. Ah well, Mario 3D world was fun and had tons of cool stuff. If they can pull that of again (with lots of surprises) I am in!
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