Nintendo Isn't Talking About NX Because It Doesn't Want Rivals To Steal Its Ideas

Sounds like they don't have a clue what they're doing.

Nintendo have become too indecisive and penny pinching when it comes to hardware.

@liveswired You worked that out from knowing nothing about the NX and from a statement made to shareholders? Impressive.

Of course they're right. They're the innovators in this industry and they've been getting copied for decades: D-pad, rumble controllers, motion controls and even the 2nd screen (SmartGlass anyone?) all started with Nintendo and have all found their way to other consoles. The only thing I wish they'd copy from their competitors is their hardware specs and architecture. Not because I care about those things but because I'm tired of hearing about it on every message board. Bring the power and architecture and hopefully the 3rd parties will return and any innovation past that is just icing on the cake.

if its anything like the wii u, then i dont see competiters haveing any interest in stealing ideas.(not saying the U is bad, i just dont see sony/micro interested)

All good and all he can say. I like the comment about starting from 0, actually. Not sure why.

Splatoon is like crack cocaine to my 10-year-old daughter so they are doing something right with their Wii U games.

@LordofMentos Except they did exactly that as fast as possible with second screen implementations in games being showcased using existing tablets and consoles. Even when the Wii U was not selling that great.

@MortyKoopa
Yeah, the talk about continued support of the Wii U during the new console launch makes me agree with you. We have to account for loss in translation but it sure feels like release in 2016 by its gist.

can't lie, that I'm dying to know where they're going with this system, e3 2016 hype already!

Still want games for my wii u and want to take the most of it, but at this point, I'm already thinking what their "cooking up" software wise for the release of the NX or whatever it will end up being named

@liveswired Not sure if trolling, but I think the opposite is on display from this comment in every way. If they were penny-pinching without regard to their user base for instance, they'd just stop making Wii U games entirely.

Not saying they aren't penny pinching in general because they are to the detriment of consumers and their own business lately, IMO. Evidenced by Amiibo shortages, no price drop on Wii U yet. But this statement suggests nothing you're proposing. :/

I only say that because the Wii U gamepad is a great idea poorly executed.

No analogue triggers and a resistive touch screen hit it hard. Throw in the short battery life and while the 480p screen is reasonably sharp and pretty decent it could've done with a brighter 720p capacitive display.

Instead of going with a silly silly, hard to use exotic custom design based on budget and low power components they should've went straight to off the shelf components for reduced cost and easy porting.

Hopefully Nintendo will stick to some common standard with NX. It should allow for low cost with current gen beating power by the time it launches...

Whilst I suspect we will hear a lot about NX next year I'd be surprised if it's released then. I'm going for March, 2017.

@liveswired How did you get that from the statements provided?

I think Nintendo will reveal the NX before E3. They'll want to save the big event for Zelda which will be otherwise overshadowed and upset people that it isn't coming to the NX. Though they will also no doubt announce NX launch titles.

I also agree that it'll be a 2016 holiday release and they'll need a good launch lineup this time around. Can't make that mistake again.

Also folks there is plenty of history to back up what I say - I like Nintendo but one cannot deny they always cut corners at the detriment of their fanbase.

@liveswired
I think there is poor execution in the GamePad, but you are supporting a more expensive (by 2X at least) design with a shorter battery life ... or much heavier.

My problem has always been that closer to release they should have redesigned it a bit further from the tablet that can be used vertically and laid flat and just went much more ergonomic on the handles on the side.

As for standard off-the-shelf components I think I see what you're getting at, but it's more important that the architecture is easy to port to than actually using stuff that already exists. They tried to bring the cost of that GamePad hard with the small battery, for instance. I don't think there was that much custom in it except for the radio video transmission stuff which was far from standardized back then (and even now the market is dicey).

I'm happy that they are making more games for the 3DS and Wii U even after releasing the NX.

Nintendo would be risking its committed base the way Sega did if it starts pushing the NX too soon.

Who the hell wants to steal your ideas Nintendo? Jesus

I hope that they continue to provide some sort of backwards compatibility like Gamecube > Wii and Wii > Wii U. At least for the digital games, if nothing else. Thinking about all of the money invested, it'd be a lot easier to ditch the console than to ditch the console and the games when the new system launches.

@TwilightAngel Well...

Hybrid console confirmed.

I hope Nintendo is stealing a few ideas from their competition on the NX. I really like the smoothness of the account and save game system on my ps4, and I hope a stronger online presence is planned.

What I don't want to see is options being forced into games to where they become gimmicks. motion control, multiplayer, and the game pad can have their place in a game, but it shouldnt be crammed in for no reason.

Don't blame them for being quiet, Samsung has built a business on copying Apple.

So NX will start at 0?

Gamecube VC confirmed!

@rjejr
Well, the NX is hardware not just a platform or specification.
Still, no word on whether this replaces 3DS, Wii U or both. Cleverly worded, Iwata.
With all the talk of integrating the hardware teams, I think we are going to get TWO new hardware platforms that are very, very complimentary. I still don't think "fusion" is viable as ONE device, but:

The console could be bog-standard in MANY ways and compatible with the GamePad because it could still have local radio transmissions that are faster than Wifi and don't rely on it. Why? Because it could be tailored to work in tandem with the new portable side of NX. The 3DS replacement could be architecture and API compatible with the console NX AND be able to communicate with it through that local wireless so that it takes the graphics brunt of processing while playing local multiplayer.

So, you get a great new portable platform (no more 3D, of course) that works as a controller for the new console with a screen that is interactive with very little performance issues when you have multiple screens going on and a console at the center.

That's my prediction/hope. It's almost fusion. It could launch with the entire Wii U library and utilize second (third, fourth, fifth) screen gaming without all of the inherent problems the Wii U has had. Because there would be little crazy hardware to support in the console or the handheld, ports could potentially be handled much more easily (though keeping compatibility with Wii U and/or 3DS could make that difficult) and performance could be on par with the other guys at a decent price.

Problems:
Does this constitute a big secret of NX to hide? Maybe. Super complementary portable dedicated portables and consoles really don't exist yet, but Vita/Ps does a pretty good job.
Architecture choice is key and making it easy to port third party games from other platforms is also key. Making that jive with backwards compatibility is a tough.

@Damo agreed. I'd prefer it to hit in 2017 but just look at the Wii U, between its first E3 reveal and its re-reveal the following year MS made smart glass and Sony started touting Vita/Ps3 remote-play and gamepad like functionality. Admittedly one never really worked like the gamepad (VIta) and the other tried but didn't work well (smartglass) and hell every ubisoft game since had its own second screen app (though that seems to be ending now).

@ekreig All-new hardware could actually mean much more compatible and easy to port to than previous Nintendo hardware. That would be half the battle.

Fortunately, either way Nintendo has been making these partnerships and ramping up for bigger productions for awhile now. It's just going to barely register on the Wii U, but maybe we'll see it some to fruition on the next platforms.

But EA...

@Chaoz Sony? The company that has a console selling millions and millions of units? That Sony?

@SavoirFaire
This is coming, thankfully. DeNA partnership is half about this.

I think Nintendo a dammed if they do or dammed if they don't.

If the NX is a new console then it'll need to be at least as powerful as the PS4/Xbox 1 just to try and get the third party devs back on side.

If they are going full mobile then will it be a gaming tablet?, again it will have to be at least as powerful as the latest Apple / Android devices.

But whatever it's form it will have to have the games (exclusives and third party) and they will have to try and be relevant. Both of my boys have a 2DS with Pokemon etc. There are also two cheap Android tablets in the house with Minecraft on them. The Androids get all the action.

At this moment in time It does not look like I will be upgrading from the Wii U or 2DS / 3DS'S.

I'm worried that he places so much emphasis on surprising everyone and keeping that "surprise" from being copied, since that implies that 1) the system is build around another "feature" or gimmick, that can still surprise people and 2) that it's indeed just a gimmick, since if weren't, it seems unlikely the competition could just simply copy it with a adding a small piece of hardware or software, as was the case with motion gaming or 2nd-screen gaming.
I don't want to read too much into it, but this seems to indicate that they are indeed chasing the "Wii" moment.

Only translation that matters -

"We have a NEW GIMMICK that we don't want anybody else to copy. We are not going to make our system like PS4 or X1 so do not expect any 3rd party games on NX."

OK, maybe that's less tranlsation, more reading between the lines. But for anybody looking for a PS4/X1 type machine that's a death sentence.

@aaronsullivan My guess is their "new gimmick" is HDMI out on a portable. They keep calling NX a platform, and new, and starting from zero. "The NX is new hardware". Has anybody at Nitneod ever said "HOME" console? No, they've called it everything but the standard terminology for a home console. That is NOT a translation thing.

@Damo
Seems very likely to be fair.

"We will continue making 3DS and Wii software while preparing for the NX. We are prioritizing satisfying customers who purchased the Wii U."

Hahaha, sure. If NX is the next big console, there won't be new Wii U games coming from Nintendo. It's like with all the previous consoles. I'm OK with that if NX has a good launch and you don't have to wait over 6 months for the next game.

I think it was a mistake to even mention the NX in the first place.

@rjejr

Yes, Reggie all but confirmed it.

"We’ve also said publicly that we are already hard at work on our next home console and that’s another element we’ll be talking about much later.

Remember: Metroid Prime series producer Kensuke Tanabe, speaking with Eurogamer this week, also referred to NX as a console." - My Nintendo News

People can continue to say that means nothing, but you're just over-analyzing it at this point. The big reveal is the NX, they said they're working on their next home console, the Metroid Prime producer said the next proper game would likely be on the NX. It's time to put two and two together at this point, guys.

@rjejr I just made basically the same point about the "gimmick" issue, therefore /agreed.

But yeah, they made strong indications in regards to the NX being a "home console", but well it does not mean it's not going to be "different". Mabye it will be a new home console plus a new 3DS, as both platforms are obviously winding down right now. Mabye it will indeed be the long rumored "fusion" device ... who knows. I doubt it will be less powerful than the WiiU though If we assume that, and we assume it'S supposed to run for longer sessions than a Gamepad with the original battery, it's probably not just ah .... console/handheld deluxe Nintendo gaming-"tablet".
Frankly, I think it will be like the WiiU, just that the handheld will be integrated much deeper and basiaclly work as the gamepad ... it will be optional though, as to drive down cost, but it would make sense. It would mean easy backwards compability and they could still service the handheld market that has been doing so well form them despite some obvious downturn. But yeah, it's just speculation, although not an unreaosnable one I think ^^

Honestly, I really hope that the NX will have much, much better hardware specs that would rival those of the next generation of consoles. It's not that I care about those AT ALL, to me a game should from the gameplay and not the graphics, and a console should sell itself from the games and not how powerful it is (most gamers unfortunately think otherwise, however). But if you want to reel customers in from other consoles, you're going to need to create a more powerful console so that 3rd party companies will develop more games for it, and as such more customers will come in. Any innovative ideas will have to be an added bonus. I personally think innovation should come first and specs/better graphics should be an added bonus, but unfortunately most gamers don't see it that way.

No matter what Nintendo says, or don't say, is wrong..

In this instance they don't say much, so it must mean they don't know what they're doing, right? Now what if they DID tell us what the NX is, specs and so on? Then it would probably be; "omg, now there's no surprise, omg, they're giving away ideas" and so on...

Lets say the NX is 15x more powerful than the ps4, AND costs 99dollars, AND gets ALL big 3rd party games... I wouldn't be surprised if that was wrong too. . .

Prioritising making WiiU owners happy? That already makes me a little happier

Seriously 3DS went from nothing on the horizon to all the things coming soon! Only thing I could ask of that machine is to give Code Name S.T.E.A.M another shot with a sequel.

The WiiU actually does have a decent amount coming out but somehow it all feels lacking. I think a lot of it just isn't for me, which is unusual as I'm usually all over everything Nintendo puts out. I'm glad to see them doing those games for those who are hyped about them though and will gladly take the chance to clear out some of my backlog. I'm just wanting something other than Zelda to get hyped for in 2016.

It doesn't matter how much other consoles sell, they still 'steal' Nintendo's ideas. I don't really believe that they are stealing, though. If you release a product to the world anyone can take from it what they want in their own design. Nintendo made the d-pad, brought good analog control to consoles, rumble, 4 controllers to a system, touch screen gaming, wireless controllers, camera control on the controller, and countless other hardware/software features. Yeah they have all been 'stolen' but it really has made the gaming world better. Sony uses almost all of those design aspects in their hardware and people like Sony, so thank you Nintendo. Sony had the right to modify their design as they saw fit. What Nintendo wants is just to have that edge on a new design as long as possible so that they can drive sales, so that all makes sense.

@TwilightAngel When was I implying Sony doesn't sell millions upon millions of units? All I'm saying is Sony copyed one of Nintendo ideas because they was making a profit off of it even though they already had a good amount of money and probably will do it again if the NX is successful because of it's controller.

@Damo It'd be smarter to reveal NX before E3 in my opinion. Reveal it in mid to late May to get the hardware and firmware talk out of the way along with a game or two, then end with a "stay tuned for E3 2016" for games, and have E3 be just about that - the games.

@rjejr
Actually I find they have very carefully avoiding saying what the NX replaces. They mention it in tandem with the future of Wii U all the time and the producer of Metroid Prime when talking about a console version said it would have to wait for NX at this point. Nothing confirming its a console and in fact, a portable that works as a console also could be all the Nintendo hardware we ever get. I'm thinking we are getting a replacement to both and consumer ignorance about it is best as far as confidence in getting something out of the current hardware goes.

If they came out and said Wii U is the last console or we are replacing 3DS next year. That would be a death sentence. If you have fans arguing about what it is going to replace or even some talking about a 3rd tier it's a much better place for them to be in.

You've gotten so cynical lately! Are you okay? Usually there is some jovial spin on your frustrations. :/

Also I think your second point argues with your first a bit.

Have to post this as it's going to get buried but I just want to type a few more paragraphs...

Makes sense but at least say it's your "next generation console" and get 3rd parties on board so it wouldn't end up selling like the Wii U

@Chaoz You are right in this. And that damages Nintendo, which is why Nintendo doesn't want it to happen. If you think Sony gets successful by ignoring its competitors I don't know what to tell you. Sony's success is just an indicator that it should continue to try and suppress competition by copying if needed. Not being down on Sony here, either, just defending Nintendo's position on this. You didn't see Sony revealing it's controller ideas a couple years out from he release of PS4, right? It was carefully timed to be around the same time Microsoft showed its cards.

How to make a conventional Nintendo console that people will buy:

-Make a refined pro controller packaged along possible your innovative one
-Have specs that are superior than PS4 and Xbone (this will be technically a 9th-gen console)
-Market the heck outta it so you can win some consumers back and appeal to everyone (kids, teens, adults of casual, nostalgia, and hardcore)
-Bring back franchises people love (get your ass in gear and invest with some new studios and/or second party)
-Slowly get that third party support back so developers and publishers can trust you again
-Stop using a proprietary disc and use freaking Blu-Ray
-Create some sort of connectivity/backwards compatibility so 3DS and Wii U can have some sort of second life (hopefully DeNA come out with something fantastic)

And there's plenty others but I just want the non-arrogant Nintendo back who saved the Western gaming market in the 80's, so trust me blow us out the water Nintendo and you will have my/our money on Day 1!!!!

I think Nintendo is right to keep a tight lip over the NX. Speculation from gaming sites like this and such is great but as soon as rivals know solid details, then they can work towards making something similar or something the polar opposite which will hurt sales. I think, or mabey it's wishful thinking, when they mentioned the transition from wiiu and the 3DS that this is a system that is both a home console and a handheld. If they can allow backward compatibility of both systems then they wouldn't be wasting any current assets and will start with a decent back catalogue. But yeah, speculation fine, concrete details this early is not fine.

I really hope the NX isn't going to be the Wii 3, low end hardware with some gimmick.

I don't mind a gimmick, as long as it's an option, and Nintendo doesn't under power the system on purpose to sell it for a larger profit margin. If it does it'll be the Wii U all over again.

And even if it's a 3DS replacement, the 3DS was under powered at release as well, and its hardware is REALLY old now. We are talking about a time where smartphones with a higher resolution than 1080p are practically the standard at this point.

And don't give me that crap that graphics don't make a game good, graphics by themselves may not make a game, but if they didn't matter we might as well be still playing on the NES and Game Boy.

Just keep the Wii U and 3DS going for many years. It can still be hugely successful like Splatoon, or amiibo, or JAPAN, prove. NX is not needed, wonder why they even mentioned that.

@Chaoz "probably will do it again if the NX is successful because of it's controller." The NX being successful (that'll be the day)for it's controller that's going to be gimmicky BS? Heh and Sony maybe will steal the idea? That's funny. Why? Because why would anyone steal from Nintendo?The company that had many problems before?(still has some now) And yeah i don't expect the NX being successful. It's going to be like the Wiiu a failure.

@aaronsullivan - You've gotten so cynical lately! Are you okay? Usually there is some jovial spin on your frustrations. :/

Yes, E3 was that bad. It's been a long sleepless humid 1st week of summer. I'll bouce back, I always do. Though I'll be depressed all next month b/c of my birthday, that's a yearly thing.

This is pretty much normal business to me. Never let your competitor know the cards you have. Duh. E3 2016 will be here soon enough; Which is interesting, because if they're going to divulge details of it then, and the Wii U is for sure going to live through 2016, does that mean the NX releases fall 2017? Or is E3 2016 too soon to tell the world "anything"? Questions, questions. I'm just going to be patient and continue getting the most out of my Wii U (and 3DS) while they lasts.

I got this odd idea the other day. What if this NX is going to look similar to a severely upgraded NES system. Instead of cartridges, disks, they have the Internet capabilities that were once planned for the NES, Then the controller would be new with mabey a throwback towards the NES by using the same color schemes? Just an idea.

@liveswired
"Always cut corners to the detriment of their fanbase"

Um, I would say Nintendo are the ones cutting corners the LEAST. I've certainly experienced no detriment, and I'm part of the Fanbase. Nintendo takes their time to release quality games that work from day one without buggy glitches. That's like the opposite of cutting corners to the detriment of their fan base. You're describing sounds like a lot of third-party developers but not Nintendo.

There's a lot of things you can say about them but cutting corners is not typically one of them.

@TheDosEquis
Agreeing with the gist with some of your suggestions:

• With the controller, I hope whatever feature there is integrates easily with traditional controls so it won't have to need two. GamePad was close on this, but they tried to hard to make it a tablet, too.
• Advertising has been a problem and the initial marketing for Wii U suggested hubris, IMO. Thankfully, Nintendo is in a much more humble place now, and I think the marketing has taken a serious upswing just recently. Not sure if a fluke and more needs to be done to avoid the backlash of missteps like that digital event at E3.
• This one is tough. Mario is what people love. If you mean target the niche franchises that some core gamers love, I'd still like to see that, too. Actually, original IP with the new blood at Nintendo is super encouraging regarding Splatoon. Also, they are working harder than ever with specialized partners and I expect that to continue as they've been having about 75% success there.
• Third-party is a complicated and difficult problem that Nintendo needs to address full-force, agreed. It starts with a platform that matches expectations or is super-easy to port to. Publishers saying, "Sure, why not?" is a good start.
• On proprietary disc... I'd rather them drop disc format altogether and go big on drive storage, but I don't think people are ready for that yet. I really don't know how much that hurt them this generation, but it's a good point. Am I pathetic that I really like the rounded edges of the discs though?
• So right on this, but I'm wondering if this is in conflict with making it an easy third-party platform. DeNA and the new system is coming at a time where it could help with the account transition at least. We'll see, but going from hardware based with multiple accounts to account based sounds real messy to me!

@JaxonH @liveswired
Well, @liveswired has a point if you consider Amiibo and hardware sales (New 3DS in America anyone?) for instance. The problem is that the worst of these grievances are a result of Nintendo bleeding money, IMO. It brought out the most frugal in the company which is very frugal to begin with and really, really likes massive profits.

I agree with you about games, though. They were one of the last to rely on patches and even now their initial releases are very solid. Even their online releases have gone without the usual couple days of complete disaster that other games go through. They have a single hardware platform and smaller community to help with that, though.

@GamePerson19 Certainly jives with "going back to 0" doesn't it?
Maybe it will be called the Nintendo System.

@rjejr Sorry, man. That sucks. Don't let the milestone get to you.

Forget E3, you've got awesome games right now. Just stretch out that Xenoblades game a bit longer. Try a different weapon than usual in Splatoon. Spend a day and fix that autocorrect to recognize Splatoon and some others, but please don't stop misspelling Nintendo.

@TheDosEquis
Btw, welcome to the comments at Nintendo Life. I'm pretty impressed that you went and edited your post so fast. Looking forward to hearing more from you.

I'll just post this here too: My idea for what I think Nintendo's new console, the NX, could be: https://inceptionalnews.wordpress.com/2015/06/26/heres-the-gist-of-my-idea-for-nintendos-nx/

@aaronsullivan
If I'm right, then I will be equally excited and scared. Excited because I was right and I get to experience the NeXt big nintendo console and scared because the gimmick might be add on for the console (new ROB, New Zapper, etc...).

And... now I am scared for the NX...This is an incoming gimmick alert. At least I now know that I am safe from buying this console for at least a year.

I would love to see how they innovate, that being said I hope they also include what has come to be gaming at it's core. Their most successful generation is the one I never got into. Oh I enjoyed Mario galaxy, but I longed for normal controls. Gaming needs to be comfortable and having to wave my arms around was annoying. I really hope they deliver something that is new and fun, but also accessible to core gamers.

That doesn't sound right. They didn't try to copy Wii until three years after it came out. And no one is copying Wii u. This does make it sound more and more like the NX is coming next year.

@Chaoz
I wish there was a like button here on nintendolife. I like the hell out of this comment.

@TwilightAngel Do you not remember the Wii? It was selling faster than hotcakes because of it gimmicky controls. Seriously, even elders were buying it because of the Wii controller being revelationary. Nintendo was making an amazing profit off of the Wii mainly because of the Wii remote brought a lot of casual people attention. If Nintendo can somehow come up with a gimmick that can bring those people back the NX will probably be very successful. And where are you getting it will be a failure from? We barely know anything about it so there isn't anything pointing toward it being a failure at all. And again, Sony was making plenty of money last gen yet they still copyed the Wiimote, even when Nintendo had plenty of problems. When Sony saw Nintendo was making a good amount of money from motion controls, they decided to use their idea and slap it on their console. It doesn't matter if Nintendo had problems back then, because Nintendo was still making a huge profit off of the Wii and Sony decided to follow their lead and make their own gimmick simlar to that because the main thing they want is money.

@Chaoz
Not sure about the Wii analogy, though.

Those people that came to the Wii only had a short visit and only bought a couple games. The installed base was huge but the gamers who would buy more games had to get a 360 and/or a PS3. Doesn't mean it has to be that way again and there were many factors: Wii epitomized the casual/core-gamer split that moved over into the mobile gaming space and Facebook gaming.

It got a lot of spite from those gamers willing to buy lots of games. I think it did damage to the brand and many people failed to recognize it, Nintendo included, thinking the Wii name on Wii U would be a no-brainer. "Bring those people BACK". I don't know how many "came back" but if you look at the numbers, I'd gather it was the same people who bought a GameCube plus maybe a fraction of 1% of those "new gamers" that came to Wii also bought a Wii U. If Nintendo did expand the gamer market with casual gamers, they all went elsewhere (their pockets) and dropped Nintendo like a hot potato.

In other words, bring something new, Nintendo, but it better be something core gamers can appreciate or we are getting a repeat of the Wii U. So it seems, at least.

Also... it's still trying to push the Wii U so anyone on the fence about getting one (despite the great games on it) will be unlikely to get one if they know all the bells and whistle of the NX. Why buy a questionable current gen when you already know what's coming... keep it secret and keep the Wii U alive a little longer (just about).

@Damo Um, this may be a typo but "We will continue making 3DS and Wii software while preparing for the NX" doesn't make much sense; they stopped Wii a while ago. Perhaps Wii U?

Well, they did copy the Wii remote, but since the Wii, you guys have lost all credibility in the console market, so even if your ideas where good with the NX, people won't care cause you never deliver the games, and everyone will just wait for Sony or Microsoft to do it better anyways.

And when Iwata saids "steal our ideas" I immediately think "ohh great, another gimmicky console that will no doubt be under powered and have no third party backing it again" so honestly, I'll stick with Xbox and PlayStation for my consoles, thank you very much.

"We are prioritizing satisfying customers who purchased the Wii U", well, guess what, your doing a horrible job, I bought a Wii U and was absolutely tired of the poopitypoop thing in less then 8 months and went with your competition Try harder...maybe you should focus more on the games, and less on crap no one cares about? Powerful system with great first party games, and great third party support, seriously why can't Nintendo figure this out?!? Maybe you guys should go back to being a hanafuda playing card company?

@aaronsullivan yeah sorry about the language, but I'm just frustrated with dissing click bait videos and troll comments so I'm just putting some honesty out there. But yeah the gamepad was a good start but they need something a little more traditional. E3 wasn't bad IMO because we basically get presentations all year long. Do people not watch their Nintendo Directs. Plus it didn't help they had a separate presentation for Smash but I guess they needed some hype for the NWC I guess. Lastly, going digital/disc-less idk about it unless they implement a refund service like Steam. I can just hear the complaints now...

The statement that the NX will be new hardware starting from 0 says to me that:

The NX won't make use of anything relating to the Wii or wii U.
The NX is less likely to be backwards compatible with the Wii U
The NX will contain an x86 architecture as rumoured by what AMD said last year, being at least on par with PS4 and Xbox One.
Will have a gimmick that surprises everyone in a way that splits the gamers in two - those who like it and those who hate it. Much like the Wii and Wii U.

@Chaoz @Steel76
Here's some optimism regarding the "gimmick" that Nintendo is hiding so far.

About a year after Wii U launched Nintendo (Miyamoto I think) was throwing those casual gamers under the bus. They just aren't interested in making games for them because they just aren't that interested in games.

Good sign, no?

Also, Zelda open-world. Come on, right?

Getting cozy with other developers with very core gamer games also a good sign. Bayonetta 2, Hyrule Warriors, etc.

Nintendo finally found a way into competitive FPS gaming that fit and is right in the wave of co-op online gaming that is rising on PC and consoles. Also in the fray with competitive gaming which is also rising in the core markets. Even Super Mario Maker is getting eyes on it due to its super-hard crazy levels.

Yeah, I know, Animal Crossing Amiibo Festival. But that's not getting the serious push.

I'm convinced the next launch will be an appeal to core gamers, honestly. Whether it works or actually meets what they want I have no idea, but it helps when you consider it's next gimmick to put all these things in there with speculation.

NX is doomed

@FragRed
Well, I hope you are right about some of that.
But I don't think it is all necessary to back up the starting from 0 idea.
It may just mean the "Wii" branding is gone forever or the architecture change alone.
I admit I hold onto the hope of Wii U backwards compatibility because some of those games have strong support even from people who don't Wii Us. It would really help with the launch to say, "and you can play all those games you've heard people rave about."
It may be they have to give that up. Not sure which is better, though. I just want both.

@Captain_Gonru @Gamecubed If they hadn't mentioned NX when they announced the deal with DeNA, people would've been discussing right now whether Nintendo will become an mobile-only developer...

@TwilightAngel Why? Because it happened before a lot of times.
Who invented the D-Pad? Who invented the Analog Stick? Who Invented motion controllers? Nintendo.
Who copied those ideas? Sony and MS. I guess they never even paid Nintendo any money for that.

@siavm That's not 100% true, the use of the PS Vita as a second screen on PS4 copied the idea of the Wii U gamepad.

@aaronsullivan I think that's were you're mistaking. All those "casual" customers still play on their Wii (I know a few) and that's the reason there are still new games coming to the Wii.

I really like the Wii U, love the gamepad such an underscored console so so much potential and just getting wasted with that said it's gonna be a couple years before the NX is out and that's plenty of time for Wii U to have a few more AWESOME TITLES added to it's library- I don't think you can count Nintendo out they didn't come this far by accident I was upset like most with their E3 as well and mainly for two reasons NO METROID or I should say no real METROID TITLE , though I do think the 3DS FEDERATION title does look like it could be some good fun in all honesty but the MAIN reason I was upset the Xenoblade X RELEASE DATE for NA , DECEMBER 2015 I WAS LIKE WHAT ! why so far off ? back on topic though I think the NX has a real possibility to be AMAZING with current tech., I'm hoping they bridge the handheld / console gap and I believe they are with this next machine .

To anyone complaining NX will be "another gimmicky console" here is what I say.

Nintendo ALWAYS innovates with their hardware. It's what they do. It's what they've been doing for 30 years. If you think anything that's not VER BATIM what Sony and MS do is a gimmick, then why are you even a Nitendo fan in the first place? Cause that is one of their core beliefs and you can count on NX doing SOMETHING innovative.

If all you want is power so you can get 3rd party games, I have a solution and you don't have to wait til NX- buy a PS4 or Xbox One! See? Problem solved. If THATS what you want, we already have multiple consoles that do exactly that! So why beg and complain for Nintendo to clone them?

And for the record, "gimmick" is pre ordering a game and getting a costume DLC. That's a gimmick. Shoulder buttons, analog joysticks, motion-enhanced controllers, second screen gameplay... These are SUBSTANTIAL, LEGITIMATE innovations. Not "gimmicks". If you can't see that then you may as well pack up your Nintendo games and list them on eBay now, cause that is the very breath and soul of what they do. And NX will be no different.

If you want "power, 3rd party, basic controller, etc" fret not- there are multiple consoles available right now that fit the bill of what you're looking for. Just please stop pushing for Nintendo to stop innovating, mocking their creative ways to play by slapping the "gimmick" label on it. Maybe new ways to play isn't your style. That's fine, but don't ruin it for the rest of us who actually do appreciate new ways of playing.

@DarkKirby The PS4 and XB1 are low-end hardware themselves. The PS5 and XB4 likely won't be much better in order to be affordable for the mass market and not be a massive money sink like the 360 and PS3 were. So yes, the NX will be underpowered. There is no such thing as a console that isn't underpowered anymore.

Why are people saying that NX will launch in 2016? Do you guys even know how Nintendo releases consoles? Let's take a look at the past consoles.

Gamecube:
Announced as "Dolphin" in 1999
Revealed in 2000
Released in 2001

Wii:
Announced as "Revolution" in 2004
Revealed in 2005
Released in 2006

Wii U:
Announced as "Project Cafe" in 2010
Revealed in 2011 (Mostly the gamepad which was bad marketing and made people think it's an add-on for the Wii)
Released in 2012

Now let's look at NX so far:
Announced this year
Going to be revealed next year
Then it will release in late 2017 or even in early 2018 which I've seen some people saying.

So please, do you research people. Don't pay attention to rumours or things like that, just wait till 2016 for NX to be revealed, I don't know why people have to find info about something new just to spoil it and ruin it for everyone else like the Roy and Ryu Smash Bros leaks.

@shani
But my point was they didn't buy a Wii U or more new games. A new console, even if casual focused isn't interesting to them. Even if it has the same name as the Wii but everything is better, aren't buying in. Dead market. Well, maybe they will buy Wii U once it hits $99? You can't expect Nintendo to consider them very much with the NX.

@DoctorWily I agree that Nintendo is the innovator of the bunch but I don't think hardware specs parity is going to bring back third parties. (Personally, I think we'd see more third party support if third parties hadn't botched their initial push for the Wii U.) As it is now, big AAA publishers are going to be seeking out the most technologically advanced platforms and (it grieves me to say this as a console gamer) that might not be any console for very long (meaning, I suspect, that Sony and Microsoft are probably barking up the wrong tree). Meanwhile, development costs to bring a game to those advanced platforms are making it incredibly difficult to do so. Meanwhile, Nintendo's innovation and lower specs are more than adequate for indie developers and Nintendo's Nindie approach is perhaps the best inroad for third party support that we've seen. I think it's possible to eventually see a Nintendo platform be at the peak of technical innovation but it would be in a way we have not seen by either Sega, Sony or Microsoft. It would be in a way that is uniquely Nintendo and due to the unique climate in gaming at that time (much the way the Super Nintendo was the superior tech of the 16-bit generation).

I am finding some of the comments here quite incredible. Its like the mid 90s Sega era all over again. The goodwill in this house is long gone

@Fandufox I'm not sure precedence is the only factor here. Nintendo could always have an Ace up its sleeve and want to do something surprising. Still, I understand what you're saying and think we shouldn't be getting our hopes up.

@Fandufox
Here's a few reasons are more bullish on 2016 this time.
Nintendo never dipped so far into bleeding money as they did a year ago post-NES have they? Nintendo has never sold so few consoles in a generation, period. (Few remembered consoles have sold so slowly ever). The Wii took a dive so hard and so fast and was stale for over a year, unlike previous generations. Each of those launches introduced a console generation smaller than the last with the notable exception of Wii, of course. Nintendo keeps bringing it up.

I just bought a Wii U yesterday. Good to see there's going to be more support for at least a year or so.

@chiefeagle02 There's lots of good stuff to chew on even if there aren't a ton of new games coming. My advice is to embrace Nintendo Land, too, if you have a few people to play with. Many dismiss it early, but It gets better if you give it a chance. I've had Wii U since launch day and haven't caught up on my backlog.

@aaronsullivan Ah now I get what you're getting at! Yes, a big chunk of the Wii users (my guess is: Mostly those who never had a Nintendo console before the Wii) didn't feel the need to buy a new console.

I think at this point we can't measure how many of those 'casual' users could be interested in the NX, because we don't know the NX's key features yet. I'm expecting something great from Nintendo, something that could(!) even become a mainstream success again. But I don't expect Nintendo to have such a great success, because it doesn't matter to me. I just want them to continue pushing new ideas into the market and develop suitable games for it.

@Captain_Gonru I'm not sure the NX is even a real name, to me it still sounds like a codename. ^^ But you're right, giving something a name (even if it's only provisional) gives people they ability do discuss it further.
You say you wouldn't be surprised? I'm 100% sure the NX won't come out before 2017. Because Nintendo realistically can't officially announce and present it before 2016. And then it should at least take a year until the final release.
I'd say that's completely realistic and also would give the Wii U a decent lifespan of five years plus.

So this is confirmation that the NX won't be 8 Gamecubes ducktaped together?

@fandufox
It was slight harsh in calling out people for not doing research, but it's okay! Please disagree. How boring would it be if we all just said "yep" to the first post.

I'm pretty hopeful for Nintendo but I'm like that. It's a tumultuous time, though, for sure.

@aaronsullivan
I see, I'm just going to wait till 2016 for the NX to be revealed, I'm looking forward to see what the system will have to offer.

@aaronsullivan nah, I love the rounded edges too. And to add on, bluray is owned by Sony, nintendo can't use it.

This sounds like they're preparing a new gimmick. Sometimes gimmicks can be a great thing which becomes a standard among all consoles. But gimmicks can also be something that ends up being unpopular and despised. Of course, there's no way for any of us yet how good the NX will be.

My biggest hope for the NX is that they give it suitable architecture and power at least as good as the Xbox One and PS4 in order to attract 3rd parties. I love playing Nintendo games, but I also love playing other games.

Yes, I'm sure Xbox and Playstation brands really give a rip about Nintendo's "ideas." Well maybe, if they wanted to sell less consoles they might care.

Even if the "NX" is the most powerful console in the world 3rd Parties are not coming back. You see for 3rd Parties to come back to NIntendo consoles, Nintendo consumers actually need to buy the games.

@link3710: Sony doesn't "own" Blu-ray. Xbox one plays Blu-rays.

i believe them. I do expect to be surprised at e3

@TwilightAngel You just got shown a clear example of Sony ripping off Nintendo, so there's no reason why it wouldn't happen yet another time. There's no telling what Nintendo is going to do and labeling it an inevitable - as in not just 'likely' - failure from the get-go is the mark of an ignorant.

They've had huge successes not that far in the past and it can always happen again. Hell, 3DS is a success. Development secrecy is a good idea - better safe than sorry.

They're going to steal them eventually, Nintendo. lol

@kingofthesofa: Yes, I am aware of the Blu-ray Disc Association. Maybe I should have added the word exclusively to my previous reply.

Nintendo is stealing Microsoft and Sony's idea to make a more powerful console. Well, maybe...

Is it even news that a high profile business in an extremely competitive market is withholding information regarding their future plans in order to maintain competitive advantage? Don't read too much into use of the word "stealing" here - in this context it is very likely used in a colloquial manner.

Here's looking at you Sony.

@FLUX_CAPACITOR We bought our Wii U used on Craigslist, so we got a few games with it (Mario Kart 8, New Super Mario Bros Wii U + Super Luigi Bros, Mario Party 10). I also have the game codes from the Humble Nindie Bundle, so I've got a little backlog going already. I'd like to get Smash Bros next and my girlfriend wants Captain Toad, but I think we will play through what we have first before investing in more games.

"We are prioritizing satisfying customers who purchased the Wii U."
I don't believe you.

So I deleted my apology comment, silly me, so I'll say it again.

Sorry for my comment I made about console releases, I made it cause I getting a bit annoyed that people are saying that NX will release in 2016, but I take back everything I said and deleted my responce comment to @aaronsullivan. It was rude of me for calling out people not doing their research as aaronsullivan said to me.

I though I made a duplicate comment but I deleted my apology comment to him and to you guys. So yeah, I'm sorry everyone. I'm just going to wait until 2016 for NX to revealed and not going to comment anymore on this website.

@jkirchgessner07 the only way that the NX will be backwards compatible is if Nintendo stick with the technological dead-end which is the PowerPC processor family. I'd rather they dropped BC next time round, if only because it would enable a switch to future-proof (and developer friendly) x86 or ARM architecture.

Until E3 I was expecting something like 2017/2018 launch, but after E3, I'm more confident on 2016/2017

All these so-called "innovations" have one thing in common where Nintendo is concerned.

Invest heavily in the gimmick and keep the hardware specs of the main console very basic to cut cost spent on the gimmick.

I really don't see Sony or MS "stealing" that idea.

The Wii remote, the Wii U Gamepad, the NX ???? All gimmicks with hardware significantly weaker than the competition. Yeah, I have called it on the NX.

Developing new "innovations" and adding good powerful processors and graphics will be far too expensive. Expect the usual gimmick and slightly better hardware than the Wii U.

I have started a book, how much and what type of RAM will the NX have on the main console? - Yes, let's stop the silly debate about it being only a handheld, that's now beyond stupid.

@liveswired this clearly states they have something huge in the pipeline that is a potential market changer and a genuine risk.

He states it it a model "0", this would lead me to believe that it's not a successor to either 3DS or Wii U.

Further to this he alludes that the NX would ultimately supercede both formats.

The NX is more than likely a home console format with equal or greater power than PS4 and has full mobile gaming integrated; a home console/mobile gaming hybrid.

This has been rumoured and suspected by many, including myself, for some time. To be honest, this is exactly what the markwt needs. And it will be HUGE if they follow through with it. Wii U was a prototype of that idea, PS4 with Vita tried to copy it INSTANTLY, NX has the opportunity to take that idea and knock it out of the park, should Nintendo listen, learn and act on their mistakes with Wii U. Shigeru Miyamoto sounded like this was exactly where hos head was in a recent interview.

I am very excited for E3 2016 and I guarantee NX will be a 2016 holiday release.

@liveswired
AGAIN and AGAIN

Nintendo is in their own world, so I doubt microsoft or sony would steal any ideas nintendo puts into their new console, but it could be software just as much as hardware, so who knows. I think Nintendo should hold off on an NX news if they care to sell any more Wii U's, I love my Wii U and hope many more people play the great games it has to offer, as well I hope many more great games come out for it, so take your time Nintendo, the NX can wait.

I'll judge it when I see it, but thing is the PS4 is already pretty much what I'd want from console, I'm just waiting for more games that interest me to convince me to buy one.
By the time this probably releases those other consoles will have large and cheap game libraries, just like PS3 and 360 did when Wii U launched.
Nintendo will need to start building its platform from zero, while other consoles with perhaps similar specs will be well established.
If there is a gimmick, they will be really hoping it catches on like the Wii mote.
I find it unlikey looking at the current situation, that whatever the new console is, it will be very forward looking.
They still dont even have proper user accounts for digital purchases, allowing account access on multiple devices, and any platform needs third party games to enrich its library.

Sure, cause that's what competitors wann ado right now...steal Nintendo's ideas. >_>

Also: To me this is basically the confirmation that it will be a hybrid console, which is not good...

@RoomB31 Nintendo is holding off on NX news - they have given us practically nothing. It is the media that is focusing on NX because they are aware of how ravenous people are for even a shred of information because it will drive people to visit whichever site it appears on. Consequently, if we want to hear less about the NX then we should stop clicking on articles speculating as to what it may or may not turn out to be. If we show we don't care about NX right now the media will surely focus on other things instead.

Yesssssssss I'm so excited for what the NX will be now! Take that all you no good downers who are saying the Wii U is dead! Also it's great hearing it's starting from 0 which means possibly stronger hardware, emulation, and many other possibilities! Countdown to next E3 in 3..2..1...

It's funny being old. Sitting back watching people skeptical that anyone would copy Nintendo. The company that recreated the home console business in the West and created so much foundation all consoles use now. some of the immediately aped innovations are listed by other incredulous commenters above but I won't list them.

This is how tech is though and should be. I'm not saying Nintendo made all the gaming innovations or even the most or best — subjective anyway. I'm just saying that all the gaming console makers are desperate to keep a lead in the rapidly changing markets with fickle consumers.

Whatever the result was, Nintendo Wii scared Microsoft and Sony quite a bit and no one is predicting things that well. Sony is winning with conservative advances in all but RAM, pretty much, and that was the winning card. Microsoft tried to push things forward the most and the core gamer ripped into them almost as much as they did against the Wii and mobile gaming.

To think these companies are so secure that they don't have R&D copying almost every new tech the other guys are trying and especially Nintendo after the surprise insanity around the Wii is really missing key material for their pet theories.

If the NX idea is great or not it will lose its attraction if Sony and Microsoft add it quickly or before it launches. Of course they are keeping it secret.

@IceClimbers

Console is always under powered compared to PC, but the Wii U is very under powered compared to its competition of other consoles, which was the problem. The PS4 is the current console leader because they were the only company that decided to appeal to hardcore gamers by simply making powerful hardware and selling it at a good price for that hardware. You can't possibly think the Wii U's low end hardware had nothing to do with it's failure in attracting 3rd party support. But this is nothing new for Nintendo, it's typical of the company to released hardware as low end as they think they can possibly get away with so they can make more money off of each console, rather than mostly rely on software sales to make their money, and it's worked in the past, but the market has changed, and it isn't working now. Microsoft had made the same mistake of designing the Xbox One to appeal to mainly casuals (trying to pick up on the Wii's success even though the Wii was already failing at the time) and despite the lower end hardware than the PS4 decided to originally sell their system at $100 more than the PS4.

NX will start from 0? F-Zero as launch title confirmed.

I heard some crazy rumours this week but one did stick in my mind. There was a flight apparently to Japan on which some very top brass Apple employees where going to Nintendo💰. this could well be for mobile games of cause, but what a partnership that would be 👌

Ah, so is the NX ready? I mean, this makes it seem like the ONLY reason they're not showing it is because they don't want others to steal their ideas.

@DarkKirby Except Sony didn't release powerful hardware. At all. They fooled people into believing they did. The reason the PS4 took off is people fell for Sony's smokes and mirrors - all they did was say "that thing that Microsoft is doing that you don't like, yeah we're not doing that" and people went head over heels for the system. They had the media and hype on their side. They nailed their marketing. That's all they did.

Sony sold 22 million PS4s off of smokes and mirrors. Sony realized that the smokes and mirrors of "not doing what Microsoft is doing" had finally run its course, and so they pulled out the smokes and mirrors that they did at E3 this year with games that aren't coming out for some time.

Sony has not delivered on their promises. Still waiting for greatness Sony.

As for Microsoft, the XB1 struggled at first due to the PR disaster that Don Mattrick caused with the XB1's reveal and all the DRM stuff - stuff that Sony was going to pull as well, but chose not to when they saw the reaction to Microsoft.

@liveswired I'm sorry but I disagree, the gamepad display looks great already, just as good if not better than my tv display. And I would really hate to draw on a resistive screen, I love art academy so the stylus and captive screen are perfect for me, drawing on a resistive screen is just bad. Not to mention the cost.

@Ryno you obviously havent played a game using a dpad, analogue stick, rumble pack, touch screen, motion controls....... Or played games like PlayStation all stars battle royale, lbp kart racer.... Your right no company in their right mind would use any of that.

@gamermole You have them backwards. The GamePad uses a resistive screen, not a capacitive screen.

@gamermole: And you obviously have never played a game that was read from optical media. Do you really want to play this game?

@Damo Then that means there desperate to break from wiiu. Historically, they reveal the year before the holiday season it's released. (15-17 months). I think (hope) they will stay traditional and release fall 2017. They're solid financially and are exploring other avenues (ammibo, mobile,). Why pull a Sega if it won't be necessary and cast consumer doubt about the longevity of their projects. However, we aren't even sure what the NX is replacing...wiiu? or 3DS? Or you might...

Wii U is dead, clearly. The new Legend of Zelda game will probably be a launch title of their next console, hence the various delays. Nintendo tried to innovate with the Wii U controller - it just made the console more expensive, and people just thought it was an add-on for the Wii. They need to drop the 'Wii' branding, and innovate with software. Who knows what ideas they have for the next console (Nintendo probably don't either), but so long as the games have enough support from other publishers, and are of a very high quality, then I think they could do well. Basically, Nintendo need to be seen as the software and hardware-maker to beat.

@aaronsullivan
lol about the crack cocaine...

@Monsti It's funny cause Sony tried to use the Vita + PS4 to emulate the Wii U.

@Mickredvers I don't see the benefit from teaming with apple. A more beneficial partnership would be something like Disney.

Nintendo's got this.

@aaronsullivan

on your backwards compatability maybe it will work if it's only digital.... those that have physical copies can get downloads codes maybe.... dunno...

@arrmixer Yeah, and I don't usually like making drug jokes, but I was honestly a bit concerned as my daughter has really been getting into it like no other game before.

I mean she'll spend hours on Minecraft because she's creative and crafts, but the competition and growth and intensity of Splatoon. Something clicked. I mean she likes sports, and gets pretty intense in Basketball, but the never-ending quick rounds of play and the combination of gear looking kind of hip and interesting to a tween and even the weirdly satisfying pop-grunge-rock soundtrack. My six-year-old who freaks out at real competition where he could lose has thrown that aside.

They can't get enough.

Just an aside to show how different things are from a kid Nintendo fan's point of few. My son, super-satisfied with Splatoon, spontaneously belted out "Nintendo makes SO MANY games!".

@arrmixer
Well, even if it's just digital it has to run on the hardware and software platform. If they go x86 that could be dicey to say the least and yet, I really think it's time to get in the same space as the other guys. Mostly for third party consideration. It can be sorted in many ways nowadays but it's not a simple endeavor yet.

I am glad NX is "starting from 0." Both the DS and Wii brands are aging, and the Wii brand especially has a negative casual-gamer oriented stigma to it.

As for the competitors "stealing Nintendo's ideas", I don't know what to say. If these new ideas are gimmicky controller interfaces, then NX will repeat most of the Wii U's struggles. If these new ideas are more meaningful to the users' experiences, then I am all for them.

@Damo Lol, it's not gonna release the same year they announce it. 2017 December earliest.

@aaronsullivan
Oh I see does the chipset's architect determines whether the Wii u games are playable?

@arrmixer
Without backflips, yes.

Summarising Iwatasan.

Primary directive - satisfy shareholders.
Token footnote - satisfy Wii U gamers.

So much hate for something we know nothing about and just to troll some sony fanboys... At least Nintendo didn't bring out the Vita! Talk about failure...makes the WiiU look good that thing

Can't wait for those freemium Metroid Prime farm sims.

@MortyKoopa I think it'll be 2017 maybe, but you might be right!

@Tender_Cutlet this feels sadly true

It's so weird people saying they shouldn't have said anything. That to me sounds like impatient fanboys being children. Of course they had to announce it, their market share was declining and their fan base were disappearing. Announcing this was the best thing they could ever do. It's what they announce, that is going to determine the future for the NX. Bring on 2016!

If Iwata is mentioning being worried about alienating the existing Wii U and 3DS install bases for NX... It will likely not be backwards compatible. (As mentioned by other posts, PowerPC must leave to progress.) As an example, one of the reasons the PS2 was so wildly successful can be attributed to backwards compatibility. Sony didn't need to worry about alienating the install base of PS1 owners.

Starting from zero... Meaning start over... Meaning only a home (hybrid?) console and no dedicated portable console (which will be handled by mobile platforms, since they have many games akin to the Game and Watch games).

"Don't want ideas to be stolen" = new controller type, instead of improving previous controller concepts (Nintendo was not wary with showing off the Ultra64 prototype and Dolphin protype, nor their respective finished products)

Prioritizing Wii U customers, because 3DS will have no direct successor (mobile with DeNA), though Wii U will have one. This leaves Nintendo with a conundrum, since portable consoles have always been their bread and butter. Therefore, the home console must have some portable aspect to it. (Mobile hardware and software are powerful enough these days to support that.).

However, for non-mobile customers to be included, and for stockholders to be appeased, Nintendo must pack in some mobile-esque device to use with the console... The NX controller.

@ZenTurtle you're exactly right. I think the next Nintendo console will explode because the general public will think it's the next system after the wii, and if they release the new zelda and a new mario on the nx as launch titles , Nintendo will be able to sit back and watch the money come in. They need to do this right and if they don't they will just continue trying every 3-4 years until they do lol

Yeah.... I'm getting more convinced now that the NX is the rumored fusion console. There'd be no reason to talk about the 3DS at all here if it were only replacing the Wii U (and vice versa). Neither system's upcoming line up instill confidence that it's going to "survive" past 2017 (granted 3DS games don't take long to make).

They better have some cooler tricks than Mario Party: Animal Crossing to pull over the next year and plenty of them because that's the only way they're going to satisfy Wii U owners.

@Megumi Eventually is still better than right after it releases. The reason the Wii was so successful is because it launched so quickly after the touch generations DS Software like Nintendogs that their competition didn't have time to copy the ideas and try to take the new audience Nintendo had built.

The thing with mega corporations like Sony and MS is that they can afford to spare no expense copying ideas in order to nullify the competitions marketing points even if it's producing a worse rushed version just to make their competition do worse. The Sixaxis PS3 controller and games like Lair only existed to try and dampen the appeal of the Wii motion control.

@Plywood Stick

It won't be a Hybrid, battery life is already an issue with the 3DS. They'd have a tough time creating a console that's more powerful than the WiiU, portable and have a decent battery life unless they're willing to take steep losses on every console sold(which Nintendo would never do) or have a very high price tag for a console that isn't powerful.

@LoveSugoi they won't ever turn their back on mario , zelda etc but if they add exciting new things like splatoon they will be ok

@ThunderRazor Four controllers was actually introduced on the Atari 2600 system...just didn't get as much attention as it was two controllers that plugged into one port...buying two of these gave you four. Full 360 control support was kind-of introduced on the Genesis with the Turbo Touch Controller, which was also not that popular, but made it easy for some games. Nintendo was the first to introduce the rumble feature and I think they were the first for analog. Nintendo's grand feet was getting the world hyped for video games again, after the Atari almost destroyed it. Now, don't get me wrong, I love nintendo and everything they do, I was just stating some things to look at.

If the NX is released with a Mario Adventure, Zelda game (even if it is the Wii U version) and a few other nice surprises, as well as some really good third-party games, they could have a great system. They also need to learn from their mistakes...like when the 3DS came out and the store was not put on it for several months, or the lack of the launch titles for 3DS and having to wait almost a year for the games to come...or the terrible launch titles for Wii U (especially since Pikmin 3 was shown as a launch game and came very late). If they have some good games, and have Smash and Mario Kart really close to releasing within a year (not more than that), then they could have a strong selling system...but, with the XONE being $350 and PS4 probably getting ready to lower their prices, nintendo's going to need to release their console a little cheaper to keep up, have their store ready with some great games that are not on the other systems, have the virtual console library ready and...the most important...advertise the heck out of it.

@Paulyvara

Oh definitely. I was just saying they need to have more exciting stuff than the Animal Crossing amiibo game and Mario spinoffs on the horizon to please Wii U owners. It's too late to start any big 3 year projects but some small to medium sized games are more reasonable to see over the next year.

@aaronsullivan
Oh well... I'll keep my Wii u just in case.

Thanks for the response brother 😊.

@Dr_Lugae Battery tech has improved substantially since 2012. More powerful batteries are much more affordable now- a 3rd party battery that lasts over 24 hours and costs about $25 is available for the original 3DS, which Nintendo could have come close to matching with the New 3DS XL, but chose not to for cost-cutting and profit. Nintendo also greedily cheaped out on their retail Gamepad batteries- the ones Nintendo sells in their own online store for $40 last much longer than the retail default batteries.

I have no doubt Nintendo can order and utilize batteries which would support a hybrid console with more power than the Wii U specs, while keeping customer costs similar to the Wii U.

@LoveSugoi definitely agree and it's always an exciting time for Nintendo fans lol

It's called patents.

There have been alot of leaks from inside Nintendo lately. And Sony and Microsoft are both guilty of stealing Nintendo's ideas in the past. I see no benefit to telling us details on NX this early, especially because it takes the voice away from the Wii U, and gives Sony and Microsoft a heads start at creating competing technology. They are doing the right thing. My hope is that they are actually taking a chance at R&D and making an expensive but formidable compeitor to the PS4 and Xbox1.

@BlackSpy Not for Wii U titles (unless they figure out how to get a proper emulator running), but look on the bright side! All of the emulators on mobile will probably eventually be usable on NX!

But I thought Nintendo weren't in competition with the others blah blah blah.....

This worries me! I just want them to make a powerful console and leave silly gimmicks as an option not forced like the Wii was. Motion control was a flash in the pan and became annoying pretty quickly outside of Wii Sports.

They need to focus on hardware power! The stronger the hardware, the more room you have to be innovative with the software!

@DarthKlarc The PS4 and XB1 are weak hardware. They can easily release a system that's more powerful - one that's capable of playing today's AAA titles at a consistent native 1080p 60fps locked at the very least (if not 1440p), which the PS4 and XB1 struggle to do.

@Ichiban I think Nintendo just doesn't want those two to copy their gimmicks. Come on we know there's gonna be gimmicks for the NX. Otherwise what's there to hide?

@IceClimbers I feel both the PS4 and Xbox One were built with the expectations that this generation would be a short lived one compared to the last, with a view of the next starting 2020 at the latest, or neither Sony or Microsoft thought they would do as well as they are, so cut the budgets of R&D resulting in underpowered machines.

@Hy8ogen To be fair apart from the gimmicks, if Nintendo does decide to go with a N64 idea and just beat the competitors with real powerful hardware, then Nintendo would perhaps want to catch them off guard with the reveal and release. Reveal it too soon and you give time for your competition to advance R&D and get something out the door much quicker.

Just a thought.

Oh boy 5 people replied to me well here we go.
@Jetset Lost faith in Nintendo? Heh you got that right i have no faith in this new console or in Nintendo.
@LinkSword Yes i know but that was the Wii. The console that was a success no a huge success. If the NX isn't a success (which i think it won't) you won't see Sony pull this stunt again. And even if the console was a success why would they copy it? There system is already selling like crazy.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR Quorthon? You must be really hate him if you compare him to me. And why would you tell someone to buy a system that's going to be killed? And the successor is coming sooner than you think?
@shani Then Nintendo should copy them on how to make a good system and make it a success. That would be nice This is long have to save Chaoz for a new post

@Hy8ogen ugh I really hope not.

@Chaoz "If Nintendo can somehow come up with a gimmick that can bring those people back the NX will probably be very successful." Then the console will be for casuals that's filled with shovelware and BS. And sprinkled with some good games and hidden games no one knows about. Do you really want that? Don't you want Nintendo to cater to everyone? Like Sony did? They showed everyone that there system is for everyone cause they have the games to back up the claim. And i will agree with Sony was being greedy when they saw the Wii being a success. But i ask why would they do that again? Ugh Edit jesus i wrote alot today i guess i am the new Quorthon

I find alot of this talk extreme. I think the big n is going in the right direction. Look how much people have to say about this new thing they have'nt even shown yet. Quite impressed really.

Reggie at Press Conference:

"Introducing the Wii U&I - because you always need someone else to complete you. Here at Nintendo, we're all about helping our consumers complete each other."

@YoshiTails Sound legit.

Anyway, hearing they have unique stealable ideas makes me less skeptical about this thing. I've been hoping they won't listen fans/analysts/haters/almost everyone and just do what they do.

You know, maybe Nintendo should go back to the square one for a generation. Something that third party developers can understand. Something that sells because it has great games, and not because of a unique controller or whatever... then, with the basics mastered, they can move on to their next gimmick and we'll have the best of both worlds.

I really hope it isn't some stupid mobile tv console thing. Nintendo has kinda been turning me down recently with certain choices.... I really hope NX isn't some stupid gimmicky thing.

@IceClimbers

Where are you even getting your "facts" that the PS4 is weak compared to the competition. Are you implying that the Wii U's failure had nothing to do with trying to appeal to a casual market that doesn't care that much about powerful hardware, but simply didn't care about consoles anymore?

http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_vs._Wii_U_Comparison_Chart

The Wii U is significantly inferior hardware wise compared to both the PS4 and Xbox One.

I am a PC gamer, and compared to PC, all consoles are inferior hardware wise, and they likely always will be because of their need to stay affordable (relatively) and inability to upgrade, but the PS4 is NOT inferior to the competition of other consoles, and the Wii U IS.

@aaronsullivan - " Just stretch out that Xenoblades game a bit longer. "

Have no choice now. I'm up to a boss before the final boss and I can't beat it, going to take a few more nights of grinding and fetch quests just to move forward. 106 hours and counting.

@DarkKirby Totally missed the boat there. He's comparing the PS4 AND the XBOne to PCs, not the Wii U or each other.
As a 'superior' PC gamer, I expect a better reading proficiency, but that is beside the point.
On topic, the Wii U wasn't hurt by a resistive, 480p screened Gamepad. Look at people's reaction to the Gamepad and read the Internet boards. It's the SIZE that hurt it's chances. Very similar to the Vita's open faced design, expensive memory cards and general lack of 3rd party games (Japanese support is there, but not much else).
The NX, in my humble opinion, needs to perfect the Wii's still lacking motion controls, retain some element of the Wii U's touch input, launch with everything from Day 1 (no Day 312 patches for TVii, no waiting for media apps, and definitely no holding out on digital media), fix the accounts system, support existing architecture, push sales with unique and exciting games, be open and user friendly, open up Miiverse (which was a cool idea, it just hasn't done anything) and, last but certainly not least, come packed with a more committed, more willing, more aggressive 3rd party plan of attack.
EA, more than anyone, dammed the Wii U, with it's sudden and rather dramatic withdrawal. Yes, Nintendo hasn't helped themselves much, but EA was there, in 2011, on stage, flying the Wii U's colors proudly. And then, in a measure of pride, pulled a complete 180, going so far as employees slandering the unit on social media.
I personally think, if Nintendo really wants the hardcore crowds back, they should get 2K to make their 2K sports series system exclusive, to get some other 3rd party exclusives and to push back against the grain, giving both something different and something powerful. And that starts where all the best things come from: collaborations.
I'm calling it now: teaser images at this year's TGS, controller reveal at E3 next year, Xmas release next year. And while they're at it, launch enhanced versions of XBCX and Zelda U with the system and remake Metroid Prime Trilogy in HD, as a single adventure, with BOTH standard and motion control options.

I knew it! They're going to implant microchips in our brains for gaming. It's the next logical step, amirite?

@Fee Thats what they have been doing the last two generations. I'm sure Nintendo's mentality won't be changing because of the Wii U's lack of success. On to the next gimmick!

@TwilightAngel Now, or over a dozen times in the past (analog control stick, shoulder buttons, motion controls, copyright protection, D-pad (which few have managed to get right to this day), second screen gaming, dual screen gaming, touchpad controller input, VR, the ABXY button tree and force feedback, not to mention creating the action RPG genre, refining and perfecting the platformer genre and giving companies like Squaresoft, Enix, Konami, Capcom and others exclusive venues to create and re-envision their works for a home audience, before companies began to buy other companies' allegiances).
The fact of the matter is this: Sony is an entertainment company. They've sold their PS systems for over a decade as a set-top box for the rest of us (aka, Joe Blow and family, who don't have 3k sitting around, waiting to be thrown away on what is still an underutilized system). Microsoft is a PC company. Since the beginning, they've advertised the XB as a living room PC for the rest of us (Joe Blow and family, who don't have the 2k initiation fee and the 2k upgrade fee, and thereby don't get caught up in an industry racked with piracy. Piracy which has driven the cost of PC games in general to near dirt status, numbers clearly represented in the cost of Steam titles, GOG and mobile gaming's subsequent rise to prominence. Quality is tanking and quantity is skyrocketing, but that's another issue altogether).
There is no pure gaming experience out there, so perhaps a return to form is necessary, say the advent of 3D console gaming, when games like Tomb Raider and Ocarina of Time were revolutionary pieces of software that existed regardless of whatever hardware supported them.
Whatever negative, slanderous, pessimistic thing one can possibly say about Nintendo, I can't imagine either of the other two bringing about that (incredibly necessary) change any better of more capably.
What has Sony done worth copying?
What has Microsoft done worth copying?
Legitimate question, I genuinely want to know.

You know... I think I can guess what NX's secret tech is. Think about it. Nintendo is going mobile. There are rumors the have worked with android and apple. The thing is rumored to be a hybrid portable device. Years ago they praised the iOS infrastructure.

It's going to be a system that works with your cellphone to cut costs out. Think like a controller where you slip your phone into a slot and load an app that turns the system on. A dedicated app that connects to the system. Pop your iPhone into the controller and load the NX app and voice control could work. A connected Nintendo App Store could make it where you download games at work and come home to play them. Voice control on your phone means you could just say "play Zelda" and it loads the game on the console. And free apps that work with the games double as street pass like games on the go. Zelda mobile game that you play at work can also net you goodies or rupees or something for when you get home. A fully mobile system that could be as powerful as a PS4 or Xbone without the added cost of those cool features since you already have a really advanced piece of tech in your smartphone.

That's what NX is.

@SahashraLA

I am not claiming elitism, simply that I know what the difference is in hardware from console to PC, but consoles will never match PCs (unless the Steam Machine actually sells which I don't think it will), but that doesn't mean it's pointless to compare or compete with hardware because of that, that's an incredibly silly thing to claim. It is often the PC gamers that have to live with the limitations of the consoles, because games are more often than not designed for consoles and ported to PC, and if the port was done well, it will allow the PC version to jack up the settings.

I didn't claim the Wii U was "hurt" by the Gamepad, I claimed it was hurt by being severely under powered compared to its competition of other consoles and being designed mainly to appeal to casuals and retake the casual market they lost on the Wii because all the casuals had moved on to smartphone games. And they didn't come back for the Wii U, most people could have told you that would happen. They aren't coming back, the casual market doesn't care about consoles anymore, they haven't for a very long time. I said earlier, the gimmick is fine, as long as it's optional, and the base hardware is good (comparatively to the competition).

Speaking of how making your gimmick not optional is a bad idea, the Xbox One and Kinect. We all know how that turned out. There is that very famous Xbox One gif I want to post here but it has strong language in it and I'm not sure the nintendolife mods are okay with that.

@liveswired Resistive touch screen is totally the right way to go ! DS wouldn't work accurately with a ovine touch screen ... It needs a stylus ..... And not like the rubbish Samsung Note pens either...

lol, I can't wait to see what this brilliant idea is. Because they really are the king of innovation. For example, their 'Management by Head-In-The-Sand' approach is making waves far beyond the consumer electronics market.

Nintendo really is RIM/Blackberry.

Keep it secret to the last minute,so no one can copy it,then by the time the others see how good and successful the NX is,then they will try and imitate and copy it.

@Ralek85
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Like I said before: hybrid, launching next year with Zelda U port and the next big Mario game.

@DarkKirby Kinect was just a money grab opportunity to entice Wii owners though. If the Wii was instead a traditional upgrade like all the Nintendo consoles before it, I really doubt Kinect and PS Move would've existed.

@DoctorWily No, that's not 'copying' its called a market and nobody should be able to own a control stick or a d-pad, its not good for the consumer. If Nintendo were the only hardware company we would all be playing on much more inferior hardware, probably still running gamecube graphics because apparently the only thing that pushes Nintendo's graphics capability is competition. Also, lets not forget how Nintendo didn't invent the touch screen or motion controls, yet nobody claims they copied people.

The fanboy's in this comment section need to realize that competition in a market is a good thing.

Let's be honest with ourselves, Nintendo is probably not smart or dumb enough to release this thing only a few months after formally revealing it. IF it gets released next year and has Wii U's Zelda at launch, it has a fighting chance at selling okay, but I doubt that will really be the case. For one, Wii U will actually have some momentum going by the time NX is released, something unheard of from Nintendo when they launch a new console. We might see it in 2017, possibly 2018 if they pull a Wii and show it at 3 E3s but leave out major details in the first and even second conferences.

Saturn had an analogue pad before the N64, Nintendo just made it a standard to the packaged controller. It also had analogue triggers. If we are taking inovators how about someone like the late Ralph Baer.
Also, the text says 'unofficial translation' and 'grain of salt', so I really want to see some details on the new system before I evaluate it!

i think it's for the best for the nintendo NX feature to be kept secret

I really hope that all my digital Wii U games will be transferrable to the NX!

@aaronsullivan I'd like that, I imagined myself being able to use the 3DS/gamepad as controllers for the NX. I'm hoping the NX is just gonna be strong hardware, with a flexible architecture that can easily integrate anything from the outside, being 3DS's, Gamepads, Android emulation etc. This would also make it easier to port PC-architecture games to it, either normally or through emulation.

I will come back to this comment when the NX has shipped. It will suck, it won't be powerful and it won't have third party support.

NX will be hardly as good as the Xbox one, with a sub par 2012 Hardware specs, because the WiU came out in 2012 but had 2006 hardware.

Sure, they probably will come out with the games they SHOULD HAVE released on the WiiU, but after that first big year, it will die out one again, another failure. The ONLY way Nintendo to kill it, would be to release a super powerful console! Sure they would! NOT

Best thing they could do (if they don't make a powerful console) is to go third party, that way, we could just buy a PS4 or an Xbox One and just forget about it! But no Nintendo thinks we are all made of money, money they think they have.

_{Please, tone it down.-Morpheel}

@JaxonH Agree completely, I wouldn't be excited if I knew we were getting the same as all the rest, what's the point? It's like politics, one party loses and will immediately swallow the manifesto of the winning party, you end up not actually having any choice and just more of the same!

Lmao @ liveswired

@aaronsullivan - I've been misspelling Ntinedo so badly for so long when I saw it typed correctly in your post I thought that was wrong. Needs more Ts.

@NowhereMan11 - You lost me at "Reggie". The guy doesn't know the UP+B recovery move in SSB, I'm supposed to take his word on anything gaming related?

@LordofMentos yet Sony brought out a controller with a touch pad and MS brought out a second screen.

@DThrow_UAir Nintendo didn't make those thing hut put them in a gaming console first and everyone thought it was a great idea at the time, so much so that some copied it.
Sony were the first to bring disc media to a console and everyone copied that, I think MS were the first to bring hard drives to consoles (not counting PS2's horrible implementation).

Nintendo pls, stop the gimmicks and stop releasing underpowered consoles. Realize that the Wii days are over.

judging by the comments it seems people who are asking for the same power and specs as the other consoles are older mature gamers fed up of only seeing gradual improvements to the games and lack of big 3rd party releases, however, this doesnt mean the games which are available are not fun, if nintendo were to go in the same direction i think they would lose their originality , its all good impressing 3rd party devs but peeps who want shooters and sim drivers are always going to choose the other consoles so nintendo would just be playing a cat and mouse chase whilst losing the ground they have built up over the years. The wiiu has some amazing games i dont know why people are complaining , how much more do you want, i think nintendo seriously need to cut the price of the console though as its not within a friendly price range for people who are interested but not sure, peeps wont just blow £250 on anything these days unless its a guarantee it will be good value and last for a while. When the wiiu went on sale at £125 in the uk they were out of stock everywhere within a few days and this was for the 8gb model ,peeps are interested but wont pay through the roof.

@nashismo Let's see...joined 4 hours ago? Check! Only made one post? Check! Swearing in his post? Check! Anyways, we don't know if it'll be a failure, but we don't know if it'll be a success, either. We just have to wait and see what happens. HOPEFULLY they learned from their mistakes.

@Ristar42 Right, people build on each other's tech, but it was a bold move to not only include the analog stick on the main (crazy looking) controller of the N64 but base their entire approach to 3D gaming and golden goose franchise on using it. On top of this, Mario 64 pointed the way to using the analog stick to move in the direction it faces in relation to the camera rather than remote-control car style (like Resident Evil relied on for far too long) and implemented many other features in unison to create a foundation for third-person perspective action games from that point forward.

I'm neither saying Nintendo is the only one to do it, or that their accomplishments are meaningless. I do think they added more significantly to video gaming innovations than any other single company, but that's a matter of subjectivity in some areas and it's really shortsighted to either dismiss them or crown them as the only innovator, so I get the agitation. I do.

For instance, that picture of Sony copying Nintendo above. It paints a one-sided picture which is good for making a counter-point but is mostly for sensational drama. Sony is far from just a copy-cat company and have advanced gaming in significant ways. I actually thought Vita had more interesting tech than 3DS, for instance.

Anyways, I prefer Nintendo's brand of gaming but it does get tiresome to hear "only Nintendo" about things. Very dismissive of some great gaming out there. The thing now is that there are SO many games out there, that no one can play them all and it seems people are going to settle into niches not out of spite but just out of necessity.

@nashismo FYI, this is a family-friendly site.
I think there are many reasons to be optimistic, myself. Many of them outlined in these comments, but I can't blame you for seeing things the way you do. A little reactive and maybe too invested(?) but it has been a frustrating time for Nintendo fans and those who used to be. It's not like some here don't agree with you in general. Wii U has been great for me and mine, but a wider success would be better for the future for sure!

They don't want people to steal their ideas therefor they don't show them? It's Super Mario 128 all over again!

@JtotheY And yet, we both know it has to be focused on something marketable as well. I guess I just see a focal point where Nintendo could have a solidly performing machine at the center where most of the innovation and features come from software, like you are suggesting and a solid plan about integration with their portable platform in the extreme.

So, I'm thinking Mario Kart 9 is released for both and you can play with any combination of split screen and local NXMobiles maybe 8 players and the games are feature exact when you take it on the go. Of course it will scale up in visuals sharply with the console version, but the actual network code and interaction is identical. The console could even focus it's visuals on an overview with commentary going on like a TV show while everyone plays on their individual devices.

At the same time the NXMobile could receive video/audio streaming from the console for Single-player games and be the GamePad... or produce the visuals itself for some games if need be to let the console concentrate it's power on the main game.

It maintains the local couch gaming strength Nintendo has had for so long and brings console and mobile gaming together even with separate devices. The mobile device doesn't have to magically have all the power of a console and meet all the price/battery/screen needs of a portable.

Of course, this also means that the library would be bigger (maybe 1.5x bigger?) as most games would be on both systems. The single player games would be repurposed and focused on what works best for each platform.

To me, this is an innovation that would not be a gimmick and no one has really pulled it off yet to the degree I'm imagining it anyway.

As I've spoke about with @rjejr on PushSquare, I still think NX is going to be an OS. We'll see it on home consoles, handhelds, phones, tablets, whatever.

I'm intrigued as to what happens with it though. As anybody who is ever over on PushSquare (where I comment most) will know, after twenty-four years I've really fallen out of love with gaming. Whether that has anything to do with owning a PS3/Vita/4 over the last four years - bar six months with a Wii U and a year with a 3DS until a baby coming forced me to give them up and keep the Sony ones (toss of a coin) - I dunno. Gaming has become boring, dull, predictable and samey. Even Nintendo have been poor for me (the recent Smash was such a let down). Hopefully NX is the thing that reignites my love of gaming. It can't come soon enough.

@Ryno You said 'Yes, I'm sure Xbox and Playstation brands really give a rip about Nintendo's "ideas." Well maybe, if they wanted to sell less consoles they might care.' and then @gamermole gave you examples of both Sony and Microsoft repeatedly using Nintendo's "ideas". Do you say 'fair enough, I was wrong'? Of course not. People on the internet are never, ever wrong.

I don't care what they do with the NX as long as they don't kill off their attention towards the Wii U. I just got one recently and if they decide to favor NX out of nowhere when the Wii U has barely had enough time around I'm going to be extremely pissed.

Wii U is a good console, it just needs more games, why can't they hop to that and give us good content instead of such a barren library? A new console isn't going to magically fix these problems you know.

@rastamadeus I know what you mean. Fortunately I still love gaming, but having gotten married and moved away from all my family and friends, I don't enjoy it as much as I used to. I'm lucky that my wife will play some games with me. And hopefully one day I'll play with my kids.

Here's hoping that one day you'll enjoy gaming again.

@sWiTcHeRoO

I'm sorry, but a year from now there won't be any sexy new Wii U games. I'm a little annoyed as you are because I got my Wii U a year ago.

A new console that is on the same architecture as Micro and Sony will solve the third party situation giving us more and more awesome hyper real games to play. Arkham Knight Armored Edition, anyone? haha Nintendo will fix the situation, and If you can't afford a NX there's still plenty of gaming to do on your WiiU.

The reason why the WiiU game library is sparse is because Nintendo wanted third parties to fill that gap for them--that didn't happen and that is exactly why we're talking NX right now.

I want the NX to be on par with the PS4 in terms of processing and being able to port games easy. My fear is how they're going to pull off backwards compatibility, also as a digital gamer--how are they going to keep me as a customer and respect the content I purchased? Oh E3 a year from now, why do I have to wait? hahaha

I want forced "gimmicks" and don't buy a console that is stuck in last gen gameplay.

@iflywright as far as i'm concerned it cant be both ps4 level and backwards compatible. the change in architecture makes it very hard to play the old games. I would have to work like the X1 (an VC) where they have address each and every game individually.

Their language supports "going back to 0" which i think is what it needs. The Wii name (combined with third party delays, collapses and low marketing) damaged the Wii U immensely. IMO They need distance from that branding more than anything, It wont matter the specs, the gimmick or the games if its name alone aleuds to A)a causal device B)A sales blunder (10 million apparently in this case being a blunder)

@aaronsullivan I think Nintendo have far more nostalgia for their brand in the US, the NES is percieved to have 'saved video games' whereas in the UK that was not the reality. I grew up playing Atari, ZX Spectrum, C64, Amiga, Sega and Nintendo consoles. The 8-bit computers were big and led to many playground debates about the best platform.
As such, I dont care much about the platform, just games. I got a Wii for the VC, which was a great idea.
I remember code masters releasing a CD games pack for the Spectrum and that was in 1989!
Mario 64 did impress me at the time though, it was so well realised, you dont often see a game like that.

@aaronsullivan Exactly, I'm just hoping Nintendo sees it like that, and not like "well Microsoft already has Smartglass, so this would only be an extension of that, thus not being innovative enough".

Also loving your Mario Kart 9 ideas, it's like the ultimate version of what Nintendo wanted the Wii U to be, because now you can take your 'controller' anywhere and as you said use a huge amount of them for big local multiplayer games.

Also would like the idea that everything is optional. You could use your 3DS as a controller, or your Gamepad, or your phone, but you don't have to and can just use a Pro Controller or something. You would also be able to sync your Quality of Life-devices and data with it.

Everything gets completed with the new online system, where Nintendo Network ID's are used for everything, so you can redownload all the games you ever bought, are saving up for discounts, the more you buy the bigger the discounts, etc.

That would be a system worth buying for the long-term.

If we're talking stealing ideas let's not forget Sony's hasty inclusion of six-axis on the dualshock 3...

@MadAdam81 Sony didn't release the first disc based system, by a long shot! Also the PlayStation's genesis was an aborted collaboration with Nintendo for a SNES add on

@mjc0961 I don't even...

@Ristar42 Yeah, I played a lot of Atari, C64 even 128, and Amiga and had my Apple ][ for programming and Ultima. Maybe it was the timing but the action games paled in comparison to Nintendo games for me. Even with the PC gaming after IBM clones, I was struck how none of them could touch my Nintendo action games really. Of course computers had their strengths as well.

I even loved my Master System even though I can count the worthwhile games on one hand really.

I'm not trying to say things weren't different, they obviously were. Thing is US is a beeg market and like you say UK already doesn't care about Nintendo. I'm sad to say that it must be a little like how Microsoft views the Japan market just not as extreme.

@Royalblues The Kinect 2.0 can also be used to spy on your habits and activities (and was later proven to record more in depth data than Microsoft explicitly told their users it would), and your biometrics. This would have connected with Microsoft's involvement with PRISM, and selling personal information gathered about Kinect users to business clients. Helping people, potentially, but the losses in basic Constitutional rights are not worth whatever "help" the device would have lent; unless it were only used in hospitals (which is not the case).

@JtotheY
Woah. Mobile interactivity as well? Not sure about that. Such a different interface and seems to divide things up a bit more as far as controls go. But I get it, we're dreaming here.

Like you are suggesting, I was thinking the base console comes with a controller that has no screen. Basically a Pro controller with Gyro and maybe nfc reading. Normally I would say that would crush the idea of second-screen gaming, but I'm thinking that bringing a GamePad to it works, as does, of course, using the new NXMobile hardware, so there are some nice options that all perform the same basic functionality.

Sigh. Plausible as it is, the backwards compatibility thing keeps rearing its ugly head in my mind. I mean, "starting from 0" is very suggestive isn't it? I really think the Wii U library could help this launch as it is an attractive set of games with some decent buzz that many gamers know about but have never played or have only played at a friends house once.

I don't think I can take a year of NX talk and rumours before we get some concrete info!

@SahashraLA I just signed in to tell you. Your whole post is utter nonsense! Jesus here's a question for you. Why did you send me that? I really don't want to know.

Yes. PowerPC is dead and x86 is expensive and power consuming, so Nintendo will go with ARM. The competitors will laugh. I'm thinking Gamepad without a console wirelessly tethered to it. Backwards compatible with 2DS. Plug in an HDMI cable to play on the big screen. Nintendo's Dreamcast and swansong. But even as an underpowered tablet with [gasp] buttons, it will sport the funnest games. Then when they go third party, I become full time retrogamer...

I'm also thinking a holiday 2016 release. It's clear from the 'fundamental' decision to only show holiday '15 and early '16 current platform titles this year and these statements that they will want to get this thing out as early as financially viable.
I fear it's at a point where it's going to struggle already. It has to be desirable to consumers, it has to have third party support and it has to be affordable. After the Wii U and its short lifetime, some consumers will not be willing to repeat this process. I don't know how they're going to make it work. They've got to wipe the slate clean and obliterate all traces of the Wii brand. People need to be made aware from the word go that this is a new console.

@rastamadeus - What a drag it is getting old

I don't think NX is going to do anything for me. I was planning on getting a 3DS XL for my birthday in a few weeks but now I'm thinking a different route and going Lego Mindstorm EV3 (I'm guessing you know what that is after our respective Lego vacation discussions a couple of years back). Only thing holding me back is wrapping my brain around the price. Also looking into Raspberry Pi and Sphero. 3D printers are getting so cheap so fast I want to wait a year or two. You have any other suggestions?

@aaronsullivan They are still popular here, especially with maybe slightly younger people than I. Think they took off a bit more here with the SNES certainly, Street Fighter 2, Super Mario World F Zero, great library for that system. The Wii was the system eveyone bought, but interestingly I think for different reasons, many for its accessable or 'casual' games, me for the VC!
In the 8-bit days though we had lots of UK software houses making distinct games for C64, Spectrum, Amstrad CPC, and earlier than that even more varied formats, and we had the Acorn BBC Micro in schools. It was easier to convice parents to buy games on cassette for £1.99 from WH Smiths, than what seemed crazy expensive console games. I just dont think the Nintendo brand has that broad nostaliga in like the US, but Ive certainly played many great games on Nintendo systems.

The best ones are usually the ones apple pulls.

Rumour and nothing, but when revealed, as much as possible, available today.

I would love for the NX to work with my New 3DS somehow. But I would love even more to have a traditional home console with zero gimmicks or special selling points other than being easy to port to, lots of power, and Nintendo software.

"Nintendo Isn't Talking About NX Because It Doesn't Want Rivals To Steal Its Ideas"

Makes perfect sense, as long as it isn't a smartphone. But NX being a smartphone is highly possible!

@aaronsullivan That is true - but those kind of features would be major POS. The right hardware should help with making porting easier, the Wii U with its obtuse setup was a challenge most developers couldn't afford to risk.

The gamepad is excellent for two player - particularly having two separate screens is a major and understated feature I hope will return in NX.

@FragRed I wouldn't go that far, the PS4/X1 are anything but cutback - for price and efficiency both systems are very impressive delivering stunning graphics - look at the new Batman from Rocksteady...They are only around £300 and provide a list of integrated services wrapped up in slick design - something Nintendo needs to aim for.

Microsoft hedged their bets on TV integration and missed out on a better GPU, the PS4 is a sum of its parts.

@Senario

Agree to disagree on the gamecube controller; I understand the popularity, just not my thing. Hopefully, Nintendo will keep the Pro Controller as the go-to, considering it's modern and plays their retro games very well, and also because it would be a drag to ask us owners to buy yet another controller. Idk, hopefully all controllers will be applicable.

In terms of architecture, you and I both understand that in order for Nintendo to be in the home console business they have to have a system that can easily accommodate ports of third party blockbusters--the reason why we're talking NX in 2015.

But dude, really, the gamepad is brilliant. I understand if it's not the gamepad that some gamers wanted, but for the price of the system, the gamepad is more than a gimick. the Arkham games with it are fantastic and immersive, and being able to play console games off tv is super sexy. I really hope the NX will have a newer and improved gamepad, possibly one that downloads complete games to turn the gamepad into a fully mobile gaming device--how sweet would that be, right?

Have a good one, dude

Ah Nintendo, being EXTREMLY clever.