While flashcards ran rampant in the DS era, the 3DS generation has been protected far more vigorously by Nintendo through firmware updates. There have been numerous exploits and hacks, but users of them have often been driven offline by system updates, reducing their practicality for all but the most committed.
The New Nintendo 3DS has been largely clear so far, with a recent browser exploit - which allowed Game Boy Color ROMS to be loaded and made Pokémon Shuffle free, among other things - only working on original 3DS models prior to Nintendo blocking it off. A homebrew exploit did successfully work on the New 3DS, but was promptly shut-out in another update.
The latest move in this area is that one of the two primary 3DS flashcard providers has released an update that supports the New systems - this flashcard is primarily used, naturally, for loading and accessing ROMS. The beta release has such limitations, however, that it seems Nintendo's efforts at system security have successfully minimised what flashcard companies can offer.
The exploit is limited to firmware version 9.2, while the current iteration on our systems is actually beyond 9.5. In addition another requirement is a physical retail copy of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D, yet a number of forum users are reporting problems using legitimate copies; others are highlighting how expensive this title now is in terms of physical copies.
While it's a flashcard breakthrough on the New 3DS that Nintendo will undoubtedly monitor, the restrictions and problems users are facing show that security updates have worked so far.
As per our policy we've refrained from linking or naming forums or the relevant flashcard brand. Discussion on the topic is welcome, though please observe the our Community Rules when doing so.
Thanks to RupeeClock for the heads up.
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I hope Nintendo stops this.
@Nintendo_Ninja Agreed.
If it's one thing I know it's that anything we know on the web about flashcards, hacks and exploits, Nintendo knows. Knowledge for even the people you're trying to cheat.
Not sure how ifeel about NL reporting on it, this isn't an interesting browser exploit. These cards are dedicated pirating equipment. Admittedly they did omit the brand and forums which makes me feel better about it
I hope Nintendo stops stopping this. Waste of resources to go after people these people. They could always just, you know, sell the ROMs themselves on the eShop for $0.99 each or something.
Yeah, let's sell new games for $1 each. I'm sure that will go well
It's Easy - Support Nintendo- not Pirates
Aww, and I legitimately want to get my hands on OOT3D. I hope the game doesn't go crazy rare now.
To be fair, From what I read, it only is allowing V1.0 retail releases. Any new retail releases won't be affected.
It's surprising how this emerged, it feels like a retread of the Twilight Princess exploit on the Wii.
Unlike the Cubic Ninja exploit for the time being this seems to be a straight up piracy solution, but it's also possible that this exploit will be reverse engineered to enable homebrew loading like Cubic Ninja.
Am I the only one who thinks this...
Buy the current system, buy the games that you want until the company stop supporting it then hack the crap outta it a year or so after the next system is out. Rinse and repeat.
I did that with with wii, I bought the WiiU and games on release. When Nintendo stop support for WiiU and 3ds I will do the same thing. But I'm still buying new games and systems on release.
Working on an original xbox at the moment, is fun and learning a lot. But I'm not going to do anything to a 360 till it can be hacked with no problems and Microsoft stop support for it in a couple years.
I don't see a problem when the only people making money is places like cex and gamestop and not the devs for very old games.
Am I the only one on here who thinks like this?
Support current gen, hack old unsupported gens.
I'm not a fan of piracy, but when they find a way to load Homebrew on a 9.5 3DS (my old 3DS), please tell me.
@CaviarMeths If Nintendo don't put a stop to this, then it's going to affect 3DS game sales. Which in turn, will end up lossing Nintendo more money than if they tried to put a stop to this...
@Takerkaneanite6 People aren't going to start stealing things just because they can. They haven't for the last few thousand years and they're not going to start now. People are generally pretty good at following the rules of society.
Piracy and theft is a relatively small market, and yes, it's bad. There are better ways to deal with it though. Updating firmware is fine and a good way to curb it. Competing with it works too, just ask Netflix and Steam. Sending a team of lawyers armed with cease and desist letters though is just wasteful, and that seems to be Nintendo's MO.
I have just got my hands on a New 3DS (at last) and I have not owned a 3DS for a few years. My issue is that if I want to play older 3DS games they are very hard to come across. Nintendo players do not trade their games in as much as other consoles - oh well, back to Monster Hunt for now
@TingLz I don't think he meant full retail 3ds games like Codename Steam or MH3/4 or MM or even the made for 3ds eshop games. ROM's more like nes, snes, tgx, smd, saturn, n64, gb/c/a, ds/i etc.
€1 each on the 3ds or WiiU, I'd buy them, prob all of them, that's how you fight piracy today. Not charging people €4/5 for a 20/30 year old game no matter how good it is. Thats the sh!ty money grabbing side of Nintendo, aka the 80s and 90s Nintendo.
They would make more money from the VC this way as less people will bite the bullet at a higher price and so they release less VC games. Cheaper VC price, overall more sales in the long run.
@readyletsgo
I would never drop $30 on VC games in one sitting at their current pricing, but would gladly shell out $40-50 at once if that got me 30-40 NES and SNES games
Nintendolife seems to love bringing us up to date with the latest developments in flashcard land.
@MasterBlaster exactly, and I'm sure a lot of people with 3ds or WiiU who don't post online like ourselves would do the same too. Easy money
@readyletsgo
Don't be stupid. If the games were released at £1 or $1 the value of the ip would diminish (as self evident by your expectation). We are paying £5-10 for a game that used to cost £20-30 plus and you some how think you are getting ripped off. These games are still miles better than mobile games and in most cases better than the indies games that imitating them, but yet because you think the game is old, it should some how be worth less. Most mobile phone games prices range from 69p to $1.99 which equates to a cheap can drink or a box of cornflakes and yet people still jail break there phones to download pirate versions of the games. So your argument on value is still invalid.
@megamanlink blah blah blah, Nintendo and yourself could learn a lot from selling 30 year old games to people who have no interest until they are cheap.
Listen, I totally get what you're saying, but these games just do not sell like they used too. Sure all the marios would be 2 or 3 quid, but, balloon fight etc should be a euro now a days. Time to move with the times as we all pay 50 for our retail games still.
So sick of this argument. Just except that Nintendo are doing the vc wrong, and for a long time now.
I still love Ninty and always will give them my money, but there is a line...
@The_Dude_Abides
Really gotta disagree there. Nintendo charges no more than anyone else in the console industry. $40/60 for handheld/console is standard across the board. And at least Nintendo scales their prices for smaller releases, heck even full releases sometimes (Capt Toad, Rainbow Curse, DKC Tropical Freeze).
3DS is certainly not only Nintendo titles, not by a longshot. The Wii U is for the most part, but that's irrelevant. The hardware costs what it costs. The number of games on the system doesn't matter. Even so, Nintendo releases an INCREDIBLE number of games each year, so much so they basically keep a full library just in and of themselves. They're like their own little mini industry.
If you don't think their games or hardware are worth buying I'd recommend not buying them. But the value is based on cost of manufacturing and investment. And $200 is standard across the board for handhelds, and Wii U is barely more expensive than 10 year old systems.
Hardly what I would consider ludicrous
EDIT: Love the username though. All dude ever wanted was his rug back.
@readyletsgo
Look! I can see why you've come to your conclusion (especially as example games like Balloon fight didn't age well), but whether you think a game is good or not, does not justify a lower pricing. What it does justify is choice, in relation to whether you want to pay it or not. In no way can you call it expensive because in reality it isn't. But at least if you don't think its worth it, then you don't have to purchase it. On the task of current pricing vs your idea of pricing, even if Nintendo sells one copy of balloon fight (at current E-shop pricing), that would be the equivalent of 3 to 5 copies of your pricing sold (depending on which currency is in use). Add to the fact that games like balloon fight would never sell that many units anyway as its target audience is those that seek nostalgia or recommendations for classic gaming. At this time, I don't think any VC game has done half a million units and that includes the popular ones, but some have made more money than a million dollars (which is better financially than if you sold a million units for $1 each).
The reality is, the audience for VC games is not even a million of the users base. The same was evident on the Wii and that system sold to a 100 million users.
On a financial side of things (even though these games no longer carry (little to) any development cost), these games get taxed as pure profit and also carry transaction charges (yes, banking is not free when you are a business and the charges for transaction is at times ridiculous). Add to the fact that retail takes a cut out of E-Shop cards that they sell as do Visa/master card for card transactions.
@Nintendo_Ninja Yep, me too. I used to have a DS flashcard. I was still in high school and was completely ignorant in the matters. I realized how piracy can kill a platform when I saw the fall of the Psp. I wish Nintendo could do something to stop these opportunists. If you can't afford to buy a game, well, sorry, it does not give you right to steal it. And for those who say they use flashcards to run homebrew or their own roms, let's be realistic, who really does that?
My computer and phone plays more VC games than any Nintendo console.
They need to do something.
Thankfully, OOT3D is out of print
@JaxonH Yo, you took the bait.... it's pretty obvious this that dude was trolling. 20 for a game and 99 for a console? Haha man that's gold. Thank god he's not running a company.
@Hy8ogen
Haha you're probably right. Or maybe Dude really is abiding. Took one look at the price tag and said "This will not stand man... This aggression will not stand!"
Death to the pirates! One whip of Shatea's hair, or Nintendo's fat boot, is all it takes to stop them!
Why does this site constantly report on hacking/warez/roms related stuff? People who are interested in this sort of stuff have their own dedicated sites for this. All that those reports do is to potentially convert legit users to pirates. It's like Nintendo helping users to identify piracy devices via its AP page.
Guys I repeat. Don't fall for obvious bait.
@The_Dude_Abides I see what you did there, Mr. Joined 1 Day Ago...
The only games I would pirate are games that Nintendo has abandoned, that aren't available, or games I already own (some times in multiple forms) in favor of playing them on a more convenient device (like my phone. It makes no sense to put GBA games on a Wii U, they're handheld and should be on a handheld device).
I wouldn't pirate a current gen game. Plus, frankly, pricing aside, emulators tend to be higher quality than Nintendo's VC service. Nintendo loves giving the bare minimum. GB VC games have no multiplayer, they only just introduced save states (but they're limited to one). Games with added features when played on an Advance, like the Zelda oracle games, have those features blocked out. Nintendo 64 games on the Wii, despite the rumble compatibility of the GC controller, have that feature stripped from their games. Its like Nintendo doesn't care about the quality of the games, they just want to make money off of every use of the software.
Once again, I'm not supporting piracy, but if Nintendo wants to combat it, their service should beat the competition, or at the bare minimum, match it except obviously in cost.
Cool, it's TwilightHack 2.0! Not interested in unofficial cards, though. I'll be waiting for software mods.
Nintendo could learn a thing or two about selling retro games from GOG.com... (Geez, I sound like I'm advertising that site at this point...)
@nostalgianinja
Roughly 60+ dollars on eBay now. They apparently stopped manufacturing the physical version. I was fortunate to have bought the physical version when it came out back in 2011.
@Hy8ogen
Is your profile pic of Zoro from One Piece? I see green hair, and an intense expression....
@Hy8ogen
Is your profile pic of Zoro from One Piece? I see green hair, and an intense expression....
KARL3DS and OSKA are sure benefiting from how Gateway rushed this out. They didn't even try to encrypt the code they used, it was free for anyone to see and reverse engineer.
@mjc0961 Why are you nitpicking about Sony and the Vita on a Nintendo website?
There are poor people in certain countries where 1 game can cost an entire weeks wage, not to mention 3ds isn't available in certain countries. Pirating is perfectly fine in certain situations.
I dabble with flash carts to dump all my retail carts on one so I don't have to bring them around, as I don't support digital games if there is a physical copy being sold, I like to be able to sell my games vs digital nope...
Using flash carts for the using your own rom dumps/homebrew or your retail physical copies is fine in my books also if 3ds/games aren't sold in your region.
@Isaggi I do n00b, and many others that don't support digital releases if there is a physical copy.... Plain and simple, how bout you be realistic.
So I need OoT3D to use a flash cart that at this moment I 'kinda' want for aforementioned game because I can't find it...
Legit... Actually what I want it for is the fan translation for DQVII but it would be nice to also have a few of the unobtainable 3DS carts I been pining after.
Christ man if you can afford a system buy the games cheapskates >.>
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