Third-party support has been one of Nintendo's biggest issues since the launch of the Wii U. The console has struggled to attract external developers and publishers in the same way that Sony and Microsoft's systems have, and there are many games which could have made their way to Nintendo's platform but haven't — lack of commercial viability presumably being the main reason.
Nintendo is keenly aware of the situation. Speaking to re/code, Nintendo of America President Reggie Fils-Aime feels that his company is making good progress on turning the Wii U into a much more viable vehicle for third-parties:
In the end, what third-party companies want is a large install base to sell their games into [and] a wide demographic footprint that they can target their games to. They also want a robust connected environment so that they themselves can explore downloadable content or digital sales. [For] the Wii U business, year-to-date versus last year, our install base is almost doubled. We’re building that footprint for developers, with a range of games from Bayonetta 2 to Mario Kart. In the North American territory, just about every Wii U is connected to the Internet.
However, when it was pointed out that Nintendo systems are missing out on Call of Duty for the first time in years, Files-Aime took a more defiant tone and even had a little dig at the tiresome resolution and frame rate war which seems to preoccupy the lives of many PS4 and Xbox One owners:
I would love to have Call of Duty on our platform. I would love to have any of the big blockbuster, multi-platform titles. But I have to say, more specifically, I want games that provide a differentiated consumer experience. If you look at the other two competitive platforms, fundamentally, what’s the difference? ...when you look at either one, either by themselves doesn’t have a lot of exclusive content. They have a lot of shared content. Look at it from the standpoint of, what don’t they have? They don’t have our games. They don’t have Mario and Zelda. I’d much rather be where Nintendo is, with a differentiated platform, differentiated set-up experiences that we can provide uniquely to the consumer. Let those other guys battle it out over, you know, which visual representation of Call of Duty is most compelling. I like our chances of having a differentiated console and a differentiated series of experiences.
What do you think about Reggie's comments? Would you trade Nintendo's exclusive games for more third party support, or is Nintendo of America's President bang on the money — the Wii U is unique while Sony and Microsoft's systems are merely sharing the same experiences alongside arguably weaker first-party content? Let us know with a comment.
Thanks to Ryan Millar for the tip.
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Would anyone trade Mario 3D World for a call of duty game?
Edit: of course some would, tastes vary after all, but I think the vast majority of people I would call 'gamers' would not.
@luke88
@TOMBOY25 my thoughts exactly
What a load of BS.
Your nonexistent third party support or being "different" is not better than the other two consoles. It never will be, that's why Wii U is pinned as "supplementary console", you can't own it without owning another platform unless you're not a fan of variety.
I agree. I don't think anyone would deny having CoD on Wii U, but the exclusive games and console specific features is what basically makes a platform. That's why both Sony and Microsoft have been trying hard to get more exclusives out there as soon as they can.
The exclusive content also gives a better picture for who is buying whichever console, and Nintendo has built up the install base almost entirely off of that. I would say 3rd parties are being spoiled by Nintendo building up the install base without much, if any of their help.
Pretty mich agree with Reggies comments to be honest. Nintendo announcements excite me way more than Sony or Microsoft's.
He's not saying he wouldn't have COD at all.
I would much prefer it if the Wii U had the large install base (which is growing) and we had the options of big 3rd party releases as well as the Nintendo games, over the current situation. I have put plenty of time into 3D world and Mario Kart, and a similar amount of time into Black Ops 2.
Granted the situation as it is now is not terrible, but I do feel that a second console is necessary and I wish it were not.
cough cough yeah right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sounds like u bitter as we are
Hmm, I would buy the new CoD for WiiU in a heartbeat, if, it was €20. The single campaign looks really good!
I would still pay between €40 and €60 for any Mario game, so, that says a lot I think.
I dont mind playing some hype franchise games but i don't want to pay full price for them though.
I also think that Reggie is spot on.
When the dust settles Nintendo will be the last one standing!
@Punished_Boss_84 @conman2012
Exactly right. I was one of those idiots that fell for Nintendo's proclamation of strong third party support for the Wii U ahead of its launch. The first games I bought were Darksiders 2 and Ninja Gaiden 3. I think it was actually over a year of owning it before I bought a first party game.
I eventually saw the error of my ways though and when it came to replace my laptop earlier this year I went the extra mile with a custom-build and now plug that into the TV via HDMI for all of those 3rd party releases I want. Not ideal but it gets the job done.
You can pretty much get almost all of the major 3rd party titles that PS4 and Xbone on PC, usually Steam.
The Wii U is really the only console that you'll need this generation, PC swiftly beats the others in their graphics/power battle.
Also, isn't CoD losing sales with each game. Ever since Black Ops I heard.
@Punished_Boss_84 "that's why Wii U is pinned as "supplementary console", you can't own it without owning another platform unless you're not a fan of variety."
This is spot on. +1
I would definitely prefer to play Mario or Zelda instead of COD. However, I think Nintendo needs to get better at encouraging the blockbuster third party games to come to their consoles.
At the End of the day if third party developers put the effort that Nintendo put into the games they make I would buy more of them but they don't we get gimped ports of old games and missing features of newer games. Nintendo will always be my favourite game developer for the effort they put in. Third parties are lazy and only out to make a quick buck.
@Punished_Boss_84 "not a fan of variety."
You do realise you are talking about Nintendo right? What do the other consoles offer? Fps, fps, fps, fps, driving, driving, driving, driving, fighting. Nintendo may reuse their franchises again and again but at least the games can't be mistaken for each other. Put up a random image from any CoD game and people will be hard pushed to identify which one it came from. I have over 40 games on my Wii U and there isn't much feeling of repetition between the games.
amen! ☺
@PinkSpider Well said!
@Gen @Trikeboy agreed
People don't care if the games are on other platforms. People are picking up PS4s and Xbones to play Destiny, FIFA, Call of Duty, Assassins Creed, Far Cry, Dragon Age, Shadow of Mordor etc. I never get the argument that a console just needs to be judged on is exclusives. Xbox 360 barely had any exclusives in the last few years, but in reality people don't judge just the exclusives, and look at all the great games like Arkham City, Portal 2, Skyrim, Dark Souls, Bioshock Infinite and GTA V. It didn't lessen the 360 owners enjoyment that all those games are also on PS3.
Nintendo make great games, but they're just one company. The other consoles have many, many different developers that are making great games too.
This way of thinking is just borderline moronic, you shouldn't have to choose between either just getting exclusives or 3rd party support PS3 showed this last gen. Anyone that actually believes this nonsense spilling out of Reggie's mouth has really been brainwashed and I'm being completely serious.
Nice try Reggie. The best is to have 1st and 3rd party support., not one or the other.
If everyone was a multi-platform gamer then he'd be 100% right. If you own any one of PS4, XBOne or PC then there's little reason to own any of the others. However you'll still be missing out on Nintendo's IP, whatever you own Nintendo's platform will have something you don't have. Which like it or not is an advantage for a platform. The problem is that some people are single platform gamers. If they're going to pick one they won't pick the one that has none of the games everyone is hyped about.
Ideally they'd have both. Ideally they'd be the platform with the games you don't see anywhere else AND the games everyone else has. But if you were picking one? It's better to have games people want that aren't found anywhere else. You can always win back the multiplatform games, you can't easily create popular franchises.
@Peach64 ill take Mario Kart 8, Pikmin 3, Super Mario 3D World, Bayonetta 2, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, Wonderful 101, Legend of Zelda Wind Waker HD and Super Smash Bros U over all those games
@luke88
I would trade Sonic Boom U.
While I definitely agree personally, I also don't see why you can't have both. Why can't you have Nintendo's difference and 3rd-part games like Call of Duty? Even if Reggie actually agrees, thats some pretty obvious PR.
The big question is even if they did have that 3rd-party support, would people care after becoming so accustomed to Playstation and Xbox being the go-to for those games?
@skywake Exact same could be said if you don't own a Sony, Microsoft or PC, I still don't get this fanboy logic like that and it clearly isn't helping to move consoles in reality.
@JusticeColde Good luck playing Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Silent Hill, Metal Gear Solid and more jap games, especially jrpg games if you are only a PC or Steam user. That's the basic reason why a lot of people prefer consoles.
As for Reggie what he says doesn't make sense. I don't know about XBox1 but PS4 has some interesting exclusive games like the Lost of Us, Drive Club, Killzone, Knack, PT and more psn titles. Also we have plenty Mario and Zelda. Seems like annual releases like other major games (cod etc).
As for the Wii U it is a cool system but when I only buy VC games on it something clearly is wrong.
Knack lol!!.. Oh you were serious
And since when were Nintendos main franchises ever released yearly?
This is what I've been telling from the very beginning......unless you have something that differentiates the other, you really aren't getting much out of it.
The Wii U is the ONLY way to play Mario and Zelda. Look at Valkaria Chronicles......was a PS3 exclusive......until it showed up on Steam. But for Nintendo, it will remain as an exclusive for good!
@Trikeboy
Yes I am talking about the almighty God Nintendo.
"What do the other consoles offer? Fps, fps, fps, fps, driving, driving, driving, driving, fighting." A lot more than Wii U and a lot more genres than that. Where are stealth action adventures games? The fighting games? The driving games? The open world games? The horror games? Again, it's a problem and it's obvious. Cherry pick all you want, the genres aren't present on Wii U whereas on the other consoles that's already been fulfilled within less than a year.
"but at least the games can't be mistaken for each other."
New Super Mario Bros. If you're going to cherry pick examples to support your (wrong) point, I'll do the same.
Poor Reggie.... I like the guy, but I do not agree with him on this. I love Mario and Zelda and the majority of Nintendo exclusives, but that is first party. You have to have third party support. Almost every game on my wishlist other than LittleBigPlanet 3, Uncharted 4, The Order 1886 and majority of the rest of Sony's exclusives are third party titles. Like 80% of my wishlist is from third party. Batman: Arkham Knight, Assassin's Creed Unity & Rogue, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain, Dragon Age Inquisition, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, Far Cry 4, Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor, Final Fantasy Type-0 HD, Final Fantasy XV, Kingdom Hearts 3...etc. I don't really like Call of Duty or Destiny myself, but to not have those games on your system is a problem, don't act like it's not. I mean it's easy to brag about being (the overused word) "unique" when your uniqueness is all you have going for you. Not trying to bash Nintendo or Reggie, because I love Nintendo and personally like the Regginator, but I don't agree with this. I'm just now starting to look forward to having the Wii U for what it is, but it's easy to remember it for what it isn't, we don't need to be reminded about it. I absolutely can't wait for Zelda Wii U and Xenoblade Chronicles X but I am not playing the Wii U at all right now sadly and really having a blast playing the PS4 and still so the PS3 and stoked for LittleBigPlanet 3 in less than two weeks. Then the big pipeline of games incoming, it's exciting to think about. I wish I was feeling that way about the Wii U at the moment, but 2015 does have some games that are exciting for me to look at my Wii U and smile, which hasn't been the case much at all.
Reggie...
Your machine has lower specs, completely different architecture, and a userbase that is generally unreceptive to 3rd party content. It doesn't really matter how big the userbase is. You're still not going to get those AAA multiplats.
The second part is just nonsense. It's not a "this or that" situation. The PS3 had an extensive library of both exclusives and multiplats.
On a personal note, the biggest shame of the Wii U for me is that of that extensive PS3 library, almost all of my favorite games on it were 3rd party exclusives from Japanese studios like NIS, Atlus, and Bamco. In other words, the type of games that could easily be on the Wii U, but aren't. I can live without the AAA multiplats and both Sony and Microsoft's 1st party IP. Them not being on Wii U is no big loss to me. The bigger loss is not having games like Disgaea 5 and Guilty Gear Xrd.
@PinkSpider Pokemon and Mario games, so yes Nintendo is as guilty in annualisation than Activision (even more so actually).
Yes I would rather have the M's and Z's, that is why I bought the console. I still want to be able to pick up third party games. He comes close to sounding smug but I think it's probably more exasperation from being unable to answer this question in a more positive way.
For shooters, it's either mouse+keyboard or wiimote+nunchuk for me so I'm not really much interested on the other consoles exclusives as I can get other 3rd-party games on Steam.
Reggie is right though - I would rather have what we got
SPLATOON!
"I’d much rather be where Nintendo is, with a differentiated platform, differentiated set-up experiences that we can provide uniquely to the consumer"
Not sure on the market how well and far such logic will work, but personally I'll keep be a super happy costumer as long as the big names at Nintendo will speak like this
Wish people would sometimes just remember, appreciate and accept what the Wii U does have, and does do, as opposed to the things it doesn't.
I completely agree with this. Mario, Zelda, Yoshi, Pokémon and many other established Nintendo series are a big reason why they're still the number 1 gaming company for me and why I -always- choose their systems over the competition, no matter the low amount of third party support they may get. Because fun as 3rd party games may be, they're mostly extras for me; I'll purchase them anyway if they strike my fancy (and hit a Nintendo platform of course)!
@Punished_Boss_84
+1 on comment #4
Nintendo will forever be known as that "supplementary Console" outside of Ninty fanboys!
Right now, a lot of people will take Majora's Mask 3D over Call Of Duty...
...myself included
People (especially Nintendo fans) might not know that Sony actually has more exclusive franchises than Nintendo and Microsoft combined. Granted not more iconic franchises but more nevertheless.
If I had to choose I would choose Sony and Nintendo any day because they deliver the most quality, exclusive content. And this is also why I bought a PS4 and a Wii U for this generation.
I can guarantee that in a couple of years, PS4 and Wii U will be the consoles with the best games on them, just like PS3 and Wii were last generation.
Reggie is pretty much saying "Go Suck It!" to the third parties who are not making games for Nintendo anymore. good for him.
I love Nintendo BUT I beg to differ on his statement. SONY has a lot of exclusives, specially RPG games, and not to mention their own IPs. Though a few of SONY's exclusives deliver as good as Nintendo's, the point is they do have exclusives and I am looking forward to The Order 1886 and Gravity Rush 2 from SONY.
They will not top Zelda and Star Fox U but they'll be fun.
Nintendo + PC and you get everything. Well, almost. I'll cave in and get a PS4 eventually for some of the exclusives.
Nintendo needs to realise that they need some third party AAA titles to flesh out the WII U library more. I would say missing this year's installment of FIFA 15 is a massive blow as that game is constantly at the top of the charts.
I get the idea of the gamepad and needing to be different from PS4 & Xbox 1, but at the same time it's looking like that the WII U specs needed to be closer to the competion, this might have made development costs a lot cheaper for developers.
At this point in time I would argue that the Wii U has the better game library than my PS4 but I think once third party devopment kicks in and Sony's own studios start turning out games and don't think this will be the case.
@Trikeboy "You do realise you are talking about Nintendo right? What do the other consoles offer? Fps, fps, fps, fps, driving, driving, driving, driving, fighting. Nintendo may reuse their franchises again and again but at least the games can't be mistaken for each other."....
Ahem.... on my Ps4 I have sport games, fps, stealth games, fighters, driving games, open world games, rpgs, MMOs.... exactly all the kind of titles I can't get on WiiU.... and regard games can't mistaken for each other on Nintendo... ahem... we got in one year 4 platform from N (SM3DW, SMBWiiU, SLBWiiU, DKTF), pikmin 3, MK8 (thank god at least for these last 2) and...what else?
@shinokami damn right.... I would add BloodBorne.... which looks just fantastic and hard as hell....
@Punished_Boss_84 kudos to your posts.... PS4+WiiU is THE WAY (at least mine)
@Punished_Boss_84 Do they release 2D Mario games one after the other or is their E3 show packed full of the same looking games? Lets take a look at GTA V. It is now coming to PC, Xbone and PS4. What is the selling point they have been ramming down people's throats? It is yet another fps. Destiny, CoD Ghosts, CoD Advanced Warfare, Titanfall, Evolve, 1886. Then, more 3rd person games. Last of Us, Uncharted, Bloodborne, Assassins Creed. They all play the same. I'm not saying they are bad games, in fact some are fantastic games but where is the variety? There isn't any. Sony and Microsoft have found a nice safe spot and have set up shop. They both try something new now and then but then fall back on the safe titles (ones that they can slap a new date on and people lap up) that look and play exactly the same as before. Again, some of these are amazing games. I'm currently playing Alien Isolation on my PS4 and that is awesome.
The whole f'n problem here, Reggie, is that it shouldn't be about missing out on one game to have access to another. On the Wii U we really should have been playing both! Nintendo [you] failed big time in not securing all these hugely important third party games on its platform and that's all there is to it. That's one of thee core reasons why the Wii U is flopping so hard at this point in time.
Note: Having read his full comment I have to say that Nintendo Life's article heading is slightly misleading and isn't quite what he said (My point still stands though). He wasn't on about it being a choice between having Nintendo's games or third party games, like it's either one or the other but not both, but about having a differentiated console experience which in an ideal world would still have all those third party games too. He's really just saying that at least the Wii U does something different but there's no real suggestion in his words that the lack of third party support isn't a major loss or that it's basically about having one or the other, which is kinda what your title implies he's said.
"I’d much rather be where Nintendo is, with a differentiated platform, differentiated set-up experiences that we can provide uniquely to the consumer."
There's still plenty of room for all those third party games alongside Nintendo's own first party titles in that assertion and he's not actually debating that at all or suggesting the only way you could have a differentiated experience is somehow without all those third parties. He'd be a raging moron to do so.
@LDXD Oh I'm sorry, I forgot for one moment that I was on a Nintendo site.
Instead of you questioning me, why don't you look up the answer?
This is a list of Sony owned game franchises: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment#Owned_franchises_and_properties
Sony has 266 owned franchises.
Nintendo: http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/Nintendo_franchises
Nintendo has 144 owned franchises.
Microsoft: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Studios#Owned_franchises_and_properties
Microsoft has 130 owned franchises.
144 + 130 = 274
So yeah, both you and I were wrong. Microsoft and Nintendo combined have 8 more owned franchises than Sony. :=)
I sometimes wish the Wii U had better third-party support so it would sell better, but that has nothing to do with me. I wouldn't be buying those games. Nintendo releases enough of their own games for me to make a sizable Wii U collection out of first-party games alone, and they're miles beyond Call of Duty and the other soulless assembly-line products that sell the other consoles.
I will still gladly purchase and play a QUALITY third-party title on the Wii U, though, especially if it's an exlcusive. ZombiU!
Commercially I think some are missing the point of the Wii u, it's different, to just port a game onto the Wii u would just be lazy as there is another screen to consider, games can be boring trust me I can play on many consoles and put the pad down because I just feel(and it don't matter how good the graphics are)that there is no interaction between me and the game...just pressing buttons really but with nintendo you generally get this and if you don't your trading in, simple as that really.
@Trikeboy I am sorry, but calling GTAV yet another fps, or saying last of us play the same as Bloodborne or uncharted shows me you clearly never touch any of those game....
What about SMBWii and SMBWiiU.... do they play different? cmon...
And speaking of playing safe.... Xbox and Ps both have new franchises, or at least come out with something new (the more recent: SUnset Overdrive)... what about N? we got super mario 3680, SSB 4, Pikmin 3, DK 5, Zelda 1000.... when was the last franchise done by Nintendo? they are great games, of course.... but hey, at least finally they will release Splatoon....
@Trikeboy "Last of Us, Uncharted, Bloodborne, Assassins Creed. They all play the same."
Ding ding ding fanboy found.
@luke88 You couldn't pay me to play Call of Duty
@Kirk exactly, they lure us with the story of "WiiU will be a perfect multiplatform console" ah-ham.... then we all know what happened....
Not everyone just feel gamingly satisfied playing tons of mario & co platforms.... I want variety, I want driving games, football games, stealth action, open worlds.... none of them are in the console titles list.... that's why I bought a ps4.... and I am perfectly happy with this duo, but yeah, definitely WiiU is my secondary console now....
@Jazzer94 LOL
(facepalming)
Yeah, I'd definitely rather play Mario and Zelda than Call of Duty, though I will admit there are certain games I wish didn't skip the system.
@arnoldlayne83 @Jazzer94 Ding ding ding, I have Last of Us on my PS4, Uncharted on my PS Vita, Assassins Creed 1-3 on Steam and Assassins Creed 4 on my Wii U. Am I a fanboy? Nope, I'm an experienced gamer. I don't make generalized comments. I shouldn't have put in Bloodborne since it isn't out yet but it looks the same, just like how 1886 looks just like any other fps but at least they are trying something a little different than just shooting at marines.
Also, I have also logged plenty of hours into GTA V on PS3. I'm not calling the new versions of GTA V an fps, just that is what they are heavily marketing for the game. "Look, you can now play it in first person" GTA V, now with new hat.
Reggie makes a good point here, After all you don't see Xbox One owners say "i'll buy a PS4 as a secondry console" and you don't see PS4 owners say "i'll buy an Xbox One as a secondry console", but you do see both PS4 and Xbox One owners say "i'll buy a WiiU as a secondry console" because it's different to the console they currently own.
As for 3rd party, I still say most of them hold a grudge from the early days when Nintendo were strict (ie: no blood in Mortal Kombat) or a recently developed grudge (ie: EA Origin fiasco). This is becoming more obvious with excuses like "adult games don't sell on Wiiu" getting proven wrong by Bayonetta 2's success and with the install base rising, it'll be interesting to see if they do release AAA games or make another excuse up?
@Trikeboy still I wonder how an experience gamer can say that Last of Us plays sthe same as Assassin creed or Uncharted..... It's like if I say that MK8 plays the same as GT6....
Concerning GTAV, if you have ever played it, you can't say it's another fps, and as you know it I guess millions of people know it too.... As far as you can read on the previews, seems that the new first person perspective radically change the feeling and the experience in game.... so, yes, is a major innovation in a brand like GTA, and something I always wanted to try since the franchise went in to 3D.... I love fp camera, cos I realise it help me a lot getting in to the character (in many many games)....
I agree nintendo shouldn't want the same games as PS4 and Xbox1 since it wouldn't sell anyway.
There are alot of huge franchises in anime and cartoons that might be a good basis for video games. Nintendo should keep an eye out and support development of such games on WiiU.
@Trikeboy
Bloodborn looks the same as what exactly? The Last of Us and Assassin's Creed? Or do you mean the Souls series? What your saying doesn't make sense. They don't look the same just because they're all in the same perspective, by that logic, NSMB, DCK, and Kirby all look the same as well.
As for GTA V, what, are they supposed to NOT advertise whats new about these releases? Thats what people will be asking, whats new. GTA V is no more an FPS than The Elder Scrolls or Fallout are.
@Trikeboy
You sound like a first grade fanboy to me, what games you own doesn't really matter seeing as how you bash everything but the company that you love. Get a life dude, video games are meant to be fun and not to be taken seriously.
@Zombie_Barioth "Then, more 3rd person games. Last of Us, Uncharted, Bloodborne, Assassins Creed. They all play the same."
Play the same.... even worse
Ooohhh, a bunch of people in the comments section can't read a few simple quotes. He does say "I would love to have Call of Duty on our platform" so the pitchforks can be cooled off and put back into the haystacks folks.
My main console so far is the WiiU. The exclusives have been awesome, the indie games are fun, and the VC grows a bit month after month (still playing through Circle of the Moon).
I do own a PS4 too, it doesnt get as much playtime since the overall game library is lacking for me just a bit. It isnt for lack of variety, PS4 has a lot going for it, but the actual content has just been mediocre-to-forgettable. Of all the PS4 releases, the standout games have been Shadow of Mordor, MetroRedux, GroundZeroes, and Lords of the Fallen. A lot of the other games I picked up just didnt hold my interest and returned them quickly.
"I didn't get invited to the party of the year, but that is fine. I didn't want to go anyway." - Reggie
@MIkeLove XD The argument is valid and what he says has a certain truth to it.
Here is the question that I believe MIcrosoft and Sony should have to answer. "Why do I need to buy your console when 90% of what you offer is playable by my three year old PC I already own, and can run at almost identical graphics settings (or better)?" Add to it that in most cases it is better because of an active mod community.
"I'd rather Mario sell 2.5 million copies than 10+million like COD" - Reggie
@Darknyht I try to answer: Because in 3 more years your computer will be crap, while my ps4 will still be able to run all the newest releases... and no:
1) I don't have so much cash to buy a new computer every 3 years
2) I don't mind to run a 4k graphics on my 15" laptop screen
PS: Good luck running GTAV or Lords of the fallen on your 3 years computer now....
@MikeLove LOL
@Sadodi @Zombie_Barioth @arnoldlayne83
Has the ability to read bean lost? I Have stated I'm not calling them bad games, some of them are fantastic. GTA V, I've said twice that they are heavily marketing the first person aspect. I'm not calling it a first person game. I'm currently playing and loving Alien Isolation. It's great on Wii U, oh wait, it isn't on it.
@datamonkey that is not spot on. Wii U is the only console I need. my PC does everything better then the little PC wannabe's can do
arnoldlayne83 you could have bought a pre made PC for that money. why buy a ps4 when you can get a superior PC
@arnoldlayne83
I forgot about that, yea, thats....something else. If they do, then whats that say about Nintendo's own games? Yep, I just opened pandora's box with that statement, but its true. You can't apply that kind of logic without it applying to both sides.
@Punished_Boss_84 I am a fan of variety, that's why I did NOT choose psONE.
I have other consoles and games a plenty, but I get the most enjoyment and varied content that I personally like on my Nintendo systems mostly.
'Realistic' or online shooters rarely interest me (only Rainbow Six, mostly... Siege looks great), and racing or sport sims that take themselves too serious are not my favourites either. For local 2d fighting games, I have plenty of retro options. I get consoles for over the top action games, SURVIVAL horror, Zelda (yep, huuuuge fan), and fun ptatformers/adventures/local multiplayer/...
Nintendo may be 'for kids' by popular opinion, but I'm glad I'm a grown-up that sees gaming as a fun time-waster and nice collection hobby then, not a wannabe-grown-up kid scolding others, their respective mothers, and questioning their sexual orientation over the internet because they outsmarted me in-game.
And I know Reggie probably curses the fact they miss out on so many modern popular third party franchises, but I honestly get my Nintendo's first for the reason he claims to support: a differentiated platform with my favourite franchises that rarely disappoint, and just enough games to get the good ones and play them.
At a later point I might get a secondary system, once I've seen which one gets the better games in my opinion, but so far it's neither.
@Zombie_Barioth Yep...and honestly sometimes sound more true on the Ninty side.... especially considering that half of its releases (present and future) on this console are platfomers....
@LDXD (love your avatar... ) I guess the difference is that Nintendo develop mainly in-house, while Sony (don't know Microsoft so I won't say anything) is more prone to 2nd parties.... And they also go and get exclusives from 3rd parties (see for example the incoming BloodBorne). In the last 2 years, you can also see they are nursing indie studios and supporting them developing exclusives for the console (No Man's Sky as example). So, IMHO, if Sony loose its 3rd parties,it still has enough 2nd studios and networks towards indies to keep providing a line-up... of course not qualitatively as high as Nintendo.
PS: Yesterday I finished Lords of The Fallen...... loved it till the end
@Peach64 wasn't the Xbox Cheaper?
Thing is, people buy Nintendo consoles for the first-party titles. Unfortunately, Nintendo consoles miss out on some pretty stellar games like Skyrim, Metro, Tomb Raider, Red Dead, Alien Isolation, Grand Theft Auto, Titanfall and the list goes on.
You buy an Xbox, PS3 or build a gaming PC for the third-party titles and the few exclusives, or a lot of exclusives on PC that the Wii U may never get.
That's the problem with Nintendo consoles, lack of third-party means lack of diversity. But if you want more diversity, you need another machine.
@LDXD Dear god man, can't you read? I wrote in my comment at least three times the word "owned". LOL "are we actually talking about owned?" haha, get out fanboy
@arnoldlayne83 I will always need to buy a new computer regardless every 4-5 years. I need it for things an Xbox One or PS4 cannot do. But I am fairly confident in my high-end desktop PC's ability to play the games you mentioned since the Xbox One and PS4 both use essentially an 8 core Laptop processor (raw power sacrificed for power efficiency and low heat) and a graphics card nearly identical to a Radeon HD 7700 or 7800 series. At most, I may need to purchase a new graphics card.
@argol228 cos then for the next 6-8 years of personal lifespan of my ps4 I don't have to bother anymore about "requirements", and get a laptop I need for work and nothing more. Plus, Ps4 exclusives are rarely on pc, while all the major pc games (excluding rts) normally comes to consoles....
Seems like a lot of commenters here have misread Reggie's statement. So let me quote: "I would love to have Call of Duty on our platform. I would love to have any of the big blockbuster, multi-platform titles."
That being said, I sold my 360 to buy a WiiU because I'd rather play nintendogames without playing Ubisoft/EA/Activiion etc games then the other way around. So I agree with his vision on Nintendo: I would be very happy if i could play, say, Skyrim on my WiiU, but I bought the console because of it's first party releases
He shouldn't say that. Having Nintendo exclusives AND great AAA 3rd parties aren't mutually exclusive.
That's a false dichotomy Regggie. I really wanted to play COD on WiiU, specially cause I love motion controls in FPSs, and I'm considering spending the money I usually would happily spend on Nintendo, on buying a XboxOne or a brand new Desktop.
The ps4 and xb1 in my eyes are simply trying too hard to be too real, lara croft and falling down pits shooting bears in the face and getting your karma later was all fun until it began to look and sound real, it was just a bit of fun at first to play with your imagination because it still felt like a video game rather than a movie but now games are turning into movies and take away the need to use your imagination which is why games like tomb raider and cod etc will never be as good as older games and ps and xbox should stop trying to reinvent the wheel and come up with new ideas rather than gimmicky content such as a dog or real looking hair. Luckily I think nintendo understand this and are the only brand still able to create entirely fantasy worlds and characters without resorting to using real life / history / war / crime for cheap ideas. I must admit though as an older gamer i've been more impressed by the eshop than the physical releases so far, I like mario,sonic etc but there comes a time when you can only play so much mario and sonic before it gets old,especially if you have been playing since the snes days, it would be nice to see other characters get more attention , also I'm not a fan of atlus /enix games and zelda and pokemon again kind of been there done that so I think nintendo need to bring other characters in to attract older gamers besides the older gamers are the ones spending the money , kids will only stiuck to what they know aka pokemon etc.
@Punished_Boss_84 Which translates into: pick one of the clone consoles, Sony or Xbox- the one that has the one OR two exclusives that you like better than the one OR two exclusives that the other has, then buy a Wii U to supplement it, problem solved! XD
"I'd rather produce an art house film that gets praised by critics than release Avengers 2" - Reggie
@Reusinck I totally agree
@Reusinck
Then comes the "but". Its just a nice, optimistic way of putting a positive spin on the fact that they don't have those games. You could easily rephrase it as "we don't have most of the big blockbuster games, but we do have Mario and Zelda and differentiated experiences".
@PAppleyard Especially when by this time next year, CODAW will be deemed worthless anyway, and we all know why
@LDXD a proper Videocard cost almost as the entire console.... if you don't mind be updated with the last graphic (as me), but you wanna keep gaming for long, look at xbox360 and ps3, you can still play recent games after 8 years.... and in this 8 years you didn't spend anything in hardware more than the consolev itself.... now, which gaming pc you pay 350 - 400 $ can stand for 8 years untouched? And I also wouldn't forget the massive second-hand market on console games, plus the possibility of renting games....
I don't wanna say now console > pc, I just see both have pro and cons, and I personally find having a console more "easy" and long term than keeping my pc updated for games...
I don't think I would trade Nintendo games for Call of Duty, but, as a consumer, I would love to have Call of Duty games on my console. If I were a system manufacturer I would definitely want Call of Duty on my console. Have you seen the sales for those games?
I have to say though that Nintendo is doing a very good job of selling other consoles. They are pretty much saying, "If you want to buy Nintendo games, buy a Wii U, and if you want any other games, go for any other console."
To be fair, even if they had Call of Duty, it wouldn't change anything... I will take those Nintendo games as well
@LDXD I think that is a bit optimistic. When they are running at 720p/30fps it is going to need a fair bit of power to run properly. (Especially deliberately unoptimized stuff). Mine was upgraded in 2012 but even though it should be fine. (2 7950 + Crossfire). In reality I am not sure it will be.
@LDXD Hah, sounds like you did the owning! But take it easy these angry little savages, they only hate because could only buy one system with their lunch money. And why are they on a Nintendo blog anyway? Certainly not because they have so much to play and so little time to do it, lol
@LDXD And not accepting something even though they're facts just for the sake of not losing the argument is not childish? You're pathetic. I've shown you three links with proof that Sony basically has the combined owned franchises of both Microsoft and Nintendo. By the way, I'm talking about owned franchises, even though I didn't phrase that well I'm saying it now, which means that Sony takes the cake on that one.
Every time a fanboy doesn't accept something I really don't care what I do or don't call him. Stop being a fanboy and I'll stop calling you one.
@LDXD @unrandomsam
Here is an average pc specs from 2006... let's say (even if not true) it cost as a ps3 (or xbox) at the time:
1gb RAM DDR400
CPU 2.8GHz
socket 775 800FSB mobo
128mb DDRII 450mhz Grfx Card @ 75hz 1024x786, AGP BUS
120gb Ultra-ATA HD
Now, would you say this pc, in 2014, will be able to run (anyhow) the most recent ps3/xbox360 releases?
In all fairness, I picked up a lot of the third party games on the wiiu during the early days when you did have your AAA third party games... and ive always been a multiplatform owner since the death of Dreamcast. But a lot of AAA franchises tend to spawn similar but obviously more improved versions of their previous games ane very little fresh meat. Im not saying Nintendo doesnt milk their IP's but each game seems good on its own basis. I can enjoy Mario Kart on the wiiU, but I can equally go back and have a blast with Double Dash on the Gamecube. There is a timelessness that comes with first party Nintendo games that I just dont get on other consoles. Its just my oppinion but I agree with him. That the Nintendo exclusives do outway third party rehashes over time... with the exception of Red Dead Redemption and Phantasy Star Online. lol
@Xamorus Wanna see my PS4, PS3, Vita, 360, Wii U, Wii and 3DS? I'm on this blog because I play Nintendo but I also play other consoles.
@MikeLove and I'd rather have my company as a whole be afloat with mediocre sales than be like Sony or Microsoft, who are so far in the hole that not even a billion sold units can dig them out, lol
@LDXD "the thing with consoles it's just hassle free hook it up buy the game and you don't have to worry about jack"
Exactly, you got my point perfectly....
Keep going on Lords, still more as to come.... and be prepared to die countless of time from now on...
@Xamorus PS4 has sold 13.5 millions while Wii U has sold 7 millions and Wii U has been out 2 years while PS4 has been out 1 year. Yup, pretty mediocre sales if you ask me.
You must love the song "Fanboy fanboy, you can call me fanboy Wohoho". I hear that most people on this comment section listens to it. :=)
@Xamorus Sony is there not because of the gaming.... the game division is keeping other ones alive....
This is why he is the president of NOA he speaks the truth great job Reggie!
There are far more games I'm interested in than are o the X1 or PS4. X1 has nothing but Sunset Overdrive (which looks awful) and the PS4 has Infamous: Second Son.
The only things out right now which would interest me are FIFA and The Evil Within. The only upcoming game not bound for Wii U which I'd love is Persona 5. Conversely, I bet others wish they'd be getting SMTxFE and Xenoblade.
I only have Hyrule Warriors, Wind Waker, Nintendo Land and MK8 and that's more than enough for me atm. It's difficult to find time to play them all! There's at least ten games on top of that I'd love to have too.
@Xamorus Microsoft is doing just fine. Surface is profitable now. Sorting out the parts of Nokia they bought obviously was going to cost. Even wasting loads of money (Skype / Minecraft / Nokia) makes no difference in the long term.
I think it would be better if he wasn't downing the X1 and PS4. Mutual respect is better.
@BertoFlyingFox
I guess most read the headline and then comment instantly.
The thing about third parties is, though, that this gen seems to pretty much be about overhyped and underdelivered. It's odd if a title actually delivers, though that should be the norm.
@LDXD You replied to me. I really don't care what you're talking about because you started this discussion by replying to what I said. Why should I care what you are talking about when I'm the one who had the first saying? Do you even understand how discussions work? You just don't enter a discussion that was about X and change it to instead be about Y. I've also explained to you what I meant with my first comment and yet, you think this is all about you. Haha you couldn't be any more confused right now dude. lulz
nintendolife really needs to change the title of this article since he didn't say it. The entire interview is really interesting.
Me too, but;
You could arrange at least ONE FPS for the system.
The diversity on the Wii U is just breath taking, but lack of FPS makes it look emptier than it is. On the other hand, the other systems are filled with FPSs, but I wouldn't touch them without Wiimote(or at least gyro aiming).
With the direction the games industry is going, I don't think having a third company go after the same piece of the pie with x86 architecture - and let's be clear that it's as much if not more to do with system architecture as any blithering about graphics - is helping anything. Nintendo's main competition is the thriving mobile gaming industry. Sony and Microsoft are trying to slug it out with the PC, and I don't see how there is room for Nintendo to fight that battle, too.
Sure, I want to play MK8 and a few other console games, but I'm on the go much more, and I'd rather have a richer-than-iOS experience there. I like Nintendo consoles - I do keep buying them, after all - but I also don't miss the games that aren't coming to the U. My time is limited and I'm happy with the choices I have. If there are enough people like me, they have a market (and could stand to step up their marketing). If not, then their consoles probably go the way of Sega in a generation or two.
@Xamorus
Yes Microsoft is so far in the hole they had a renvue of 23.20 billon and ended it with 89.2 billion in cash.
For me personally, i think the Wii U is Nintendo's greatest home console since the Snes. And considering i missed most of the Wii's best games, it's indispensable to me. I can't look at 'normal' controllers the same way now either, since using the Wii U pad constantly for 2yrs.
@Trikeboy
I would say there is plenty variety on the other systems. I have an Xbox one and my game libaray SL far is
Another World
Battlefield 4
Crimson Dragon
D4: Dark Dreams don't die
Destiny
FIFA 14
Guacameele
Halo Spartan Assault
Killer Instinct
Madden 25
Max and the cursed brotherhood
Power star Golf
Project Spark
Sixty Second shooter prime
Strider
Super time force
Tomb Raider
Warframe
Volgar the viking
Voice Commander
Zoo Tycoon
Sutley that must be a variety of different genres right.
Even with the Nintendo exclusives, I still prefer the range of games available on the PS3 at the moment, and I don't even play Call of Duty or GTA!
Alien Isolation is a good example, as its a game I recently enjoyed, again no Wii U version.
I think Nintendo need to strive to have both, the PS4 will have games like Bloodborne and then also multi-platform titles like the next Arkham game.
I don't know which is worse, the misuse of the quote to get clicks or tge number of posters replying to the headline without reading the whole thing to put it in context.
I would never take call of duty over just about any nintendo franchise if it's one or the other but it's always nice to have an option. But without Nintendo trying to increase their fanbase without first party and second party games those franchises will never come back or get on Wii U in the first place.
But then again that's why I don't have to get a PS4 yet as most of the best games are still coming out on PS3.
@JusticeColde This right here. PC + Wii U and you got all the spread you need.
@Punished_Boss_84 "Pokemon and Mario games, so yes Nintendo is as guilty in annualisation than Activision (even more so actually)."
Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about.
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I love most games. I prefer Nintendo games, as Zelda and Mario are the highest on my list, but I love Call of Duty and other competitive shooters. I'm as hardcore a gamer as they come and I just have a wide taste in games.
He does have a point here as BS as it may seem. Unless you absolutely cannot live withou Uncharted and Halo there is little reason to own both systems as they will pretty much have the exact same library. I think a lot of people are taking Reggie's statements about different experiences the wrong way. Looking at the twins the majority of games there are FPSs that are clearly based off COD. And he's right the framerate resolution pissing contest has gotten old
Well you may not Reggie, but we the Gamers do.
I agree with Reggie. Suck it.
@MikeLove Kind of beside the point, but I personally would rather make a critically loved movie than that may not make me rich than Avengers 2.
yah Reggie, because Halo, Uncharted, Little Big Planet, Sunset Overdrive, Killer Instinct, Bloodborne, Persona 5, Resogun, Project Sparks ect ect.. are all multiplatform titles, only Nintendo has exclusives......
@Sadodi Cool, looking forward to the next Sony All-Stars or whatever it was called, lol
@DJKeens
That used to be the case but its not so much anymore.... Sony has amazing first party output and lots of third party exclusives and Microsoft which was the weaker of the three exclusives wise seems to really have stepped up its game this generation.... There are legitimate reasons why people may want to own both a PS4 and an Xbone
@Punished_Boss_84 The same can be said about the other consoles, it depends on what experiences you value the most.
For me I prefer games made by Nintendo so the Wii U is my primary console.
Then I get other gaming experiences from my "supplementary console", in my case it is neither PS4 or XBONE, it is a PC
The investment of money I made for the PC is not only for gaming, I use my PC for everything else (internet, work, music/video, editing, movies, etc)
If i´m interested in a game and it is not coming to WIiU I get it for PC. I´m sure I wont miss that many games this generation. By the time Sony and Microsoft have enough exclusives to justify buying their consoles they will be cheap
@Dr_Corndog What you're describing is known as integrity, my friend. Don't feel bad if that mindset doesn't gel well with those caught up on numbers and specs over quality
While I agree to a point. Reggie has to understand that so many franchises have been mothballed that used to cover more ground for nintendo. Ok, I can't get EA Sports games? Where is punch out? where is 1080 and wave race and strikers? Why hasn't nintendo made a American Football sim? And they are going to have to make a first person shooter. That isn't Metroid. What happened to the conduit? pay for more of those.
I will say I've been pretty content with the WiiU pc combo (except the lack of ufc and nhl games). But Nintendo has to look for those people that may just want to own one system. Isn't that the approach they take with the 3ds? Basically don't buy vita because they "have no games"?
OMG what a stupid comment. Like the lack of Call of Duty actually means it's a differing experience in a positive light.
You can still be differing have major third party games on your system! I hope he doesn't expect us adults to just eat his words like mindless sheep.
@Varoennauraa
'Breath taking' diversity on the Wii U?
No sports games. No fighting games. No racing games. No RPGs. No third person action/adventure games. No FPS games, etc...
Nintendo has maybe one or two games in each of those categories available, but 60% of the rest of what's available is rainbow colored platformers.
Wii U is the LEAST diverse console available in terms of the genres available on it, now and in the future.
@Xamorus "Hi my name is Xamorus and I'm a fanboyoholic"
Hello fanboy Xamorus! How's that prejudice life treating you?
Let me put it this way, do I want Advanced Warfare on the Wii U? Yeah, because I like the Pro Controller and I think the Wii U version of Black Ops 2 is the best looking one, while Ghosts blows the PS3 and 360 ones out of the water when it comes to visuals and gameplay.
But I'm not heartbroken over not getting Advanced Warfare. I have a PS3 sitting right next to my Wii U, and my most recent big game purchase was Mario Kart 8.
So, I can live without Advanced Warfare on the Wii U. If I want to play Call of Duty, I have both Black Ops II and Ghost that I got for cheap. People are still playing those versions.
I know the argument is that Nintendo needs those games to survive, but here's the thing. Games like Madden and Call of Duty were on the system, and you could do cool things like off-tv play on a Wii U Gamepad. The visuals of Black Ops II blows the other two versions out of the water(I own all three versions and have HDMI cables for all systems) and people still turned their nose up at Call of Duty on the Wii U and mock the system for being "weaker" then the PS3 and Xbox 360(which is not true)
So, Nintendo gains nothing by catering to the mainstream "hardcore" gamer market. Those gamers don't care about Nintendo, and many of them want Nintendo to be driven out of the hardware market so they can finally play Zelda or Mario on their shiny Playstation or Xbox consoles.
I just got a Wii U, and I love my system. I'm not bothered by the lack of third-party support, because quite frankly, I don't care for most games that are coming out and I have a PS3 anyway if I did want to play them.
Nintendo is seeing results with their approach. Yes, the Wii U is struggling and not out of the woods yet, but titles like Mario Kart 8, Hyrule Warriors, and Bayonetta 2 are not only turning heads, they are helping attract people to the system.
I used to think third-party support mattered, but multiplats never seem to sell on Nintendo consoles. This is not even an issue with DLC or third-parties cutting back on content. The Gamecube had the same problem where its third-party multiplats sold at levels below their PS2 and Xbox counterparts.
I think Nintendo should focus on their own identity in the marketplace. You can get Advanced Warfare on 5 systems, but Mario Kart 8 is only on one system. At some point, people will have to pony up some money on a Wii U if they want to play Mario Kart, Zelda U or Xenoblade X.
That has been what has always sold Nintendo consoles since the N64. The strength of the games you can't find anywhere else.
@Peach64 The exclusive argument works when you have similar systems. for instance why buy an xbox one and an ps4, unless you are a fan of the exclusives that differentiate them. WiiU doesn't quite fit this though due to the lack of many genres. I wish Nintendo would understand that it isn't even having the same franchises as the others that's the point... it is having genres of games. Also having either multiple games in that genre OR multiple sequels (al la AC and CoD) to pad the genre so more people have something in a particular genre to play.
I think nintendo is trying very hard on that front, but they can't fund a console alone. They don't have the bandwidth. I just hope all the collaboration talk means that they are working with devs (likely smaller ones) to fill out the genre gaps.
I completely agree with the spirit of what he's trying to convey. Nintendo just shouldn't try to be a triplet to the Xbox/PS twins. It needs to do its own thing, and I firmly believe it can succeed in doing so.
That said, they need to be more aggressive when it comes to third parties. Put the war chest to work and fund more EXCLUSIVE (that part is important) third party games, like they did with Bayonetta 2. Make a deal with Capcom about Mega Man, which is pretty much guaranteed to be a best seller AND to move Wii U consoles if it's exclusive. Go aggressively after the next home console Dragon Quest game, for another good example. Make deals with third-party studios to bring new IPs to the fray.
Diversity is very important, but what's also important is a constant stream of new releases. The Wii U got some pretty good retail games this year (and will still get some more), but the wait was almost agonizing, since they were few and far between.
I think they're making good steps in that direction, if their tentative 2015 lineup is to be taken for granted. But they still need a lot more than that to become competitive in this generation.
The issue is Nintendo is no longer getting some 3rd party games that a LOT of people WANT!! I'm not saying I need 6 COD games per gen, one or two is more than enough.. but, it undermines the ability to actually buy these games on a console that can handle running them.. Nintendo definitely has culpability with regards to this issue.
The reason I chose my Wii U over the other two systems.
@DJKeens
I agree PS4 lineup sucks so far that's why I haven't bought one but I think it will get better, not only Sony first party but to me their Japanese third party exclusives are important.....
With Microsoft I really only cared for 2 360 exclusives, DOA5 Extreme 2 and Tales of Vesperia... However the Xbone already has 5 exclusives released or announced I wish I could play ( not buying the console just for them thought): Killer instinct, Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Fantasia and Tomb Raider
I'm not weighing in on this whole debate. I just came to say as, a Kansas City native and by default a Kansas City Chiefs fan, your avatar rocks! @JusticeColde
@Sadodi "This is a list of Sony owned game franchises:"
PlayStation Home is a franchise? Also, if those number of franchises are accurate(which they are not) for Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo, then you can't brag about Sony having more when their list includes: PlayStation Vita Pets, SingStar, Pet in TV, Start the Party!, Motor Toon Grand Prix, DanceStar Party, and others. Those are games I'm sure Sony fanboys would called casual/kiddie if they were owned by Nintendo or Microsoft.
I agree that the Wii U does have some awesome exclusives available (and on the way). But the point is that if you wanted to play the next Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed or NHL game, you have to buy another console. That's money a lot of people don't have.
NINTENDO DON'T GIVE IN!
I bought a Wii-U because of all the great games you provide, and that's definitely reason enough!
I have no regrets, and I love each and every game in my Wii-U stack, even after a year.
I've never traded in a Nintendo game, because they're timeless and I know I can trust my purchases; Hyrule warriors (Koei-Tecmo/Team Ninja) was an amazing collaboration and taking Bayonetta made me properly happy.
Any 3rd parties should work under Nintendo's eye on projects co-existing with the direction.
Quality over Quantity.
I'm with Reggie on the grounds that each console is supposed to be it's own entity. Even in the bad years, that model always garnered Nintendo a safe spot as the only place with Mario and Zelda, etc, while the "big guns" tried to be the same system. Or tried not to be and failed, hard to tell. While not the best system for our wallets or developers, it's been the only way to support more than two systems. Pick Nintendo and one other, shrug off the ones you miss out on.
Until the day we can look at the maker of your game machine in the same light as your Blu-ray player, I do prefer the varied diet approach.
@MikeLove - I actually read thru all of these and your comments - 106, 157 - are almost the only relevant ones
Nintneodo's problem isn't so much games as marketing muscle $. If Sony had Hyrule Warrioirs and Bayonetta 2 as PS4 exclusives this holiday every living person on the planet would know it. Some of the dead ones too.
And you can't really blame other companies for not putting their games on the W ii U if they think they won't sell, and historically they don't sell well. The Wii U install base just isn't there - even though it may be bigger than X1s - but ti's the wrong clientele, and Nintendo doesn't look like they even care.
And I don't blame Reggie for speaking his mind. As others have said, I read the tile planning on coming in here and ripping Reggie, but what he said pans out, the title misconstrues things a bit.
Nintneod's built upon 1 objective - make great games. Not sell games. Not make great hardware. Not sell consoles. Not sell other's companies games. Just make great games, it's their 1 and only mandate. Whether people buy them or play them or even know the game sexist Nintnedo just seems to say - well that's not up to us, it's up to them, we just make great games.
Conceit, chutzpah, determination, focus - you can frame it good or bad, but that's what they do.
@Smug43 While Nintendo does deserve some of the blame, it does not help that third-parties screw them over time and time again when it comes to features or content. Take Call of Duty for example, all of the versions on the Wii and Wii U lacked the content of the other versions. But even if it could be argued that the lack of add-on content was due to poor sales, it does not help that Activision treated the Nintendo versions of Call of Duty like they were afterthoughts.
Time and time again, Call of Duty on the Wii and Wii U were not announced with the other versions, promoted with the other version, and were not even displayed on posters or at the end of commercals. Activision pretty much treated the Wii and Wii U version as afterthoughts.
So, it's not all Nintendo's fault that their consoles don't get the support that they deserve. When third-parties actively screw over Nintendo, what can they do? If they threaten them, then the third-parties walk anyway. They don't view Nintendo as anything more then a way to make a few extra bucks.
The thing is, third parties have gotten bold about openly telling the world how the Wii U versions of their games will miss out on content. They don't even bother hiding it, they pretty much give the middle finger to Nintendo and its fans.
Which in turn drives away Nintendo owners who might have bought those games and fuels the percpetion that Nintendo consoles are only good for Mario and Zelda.
This is my issue, Nintendo might have their share of the blame for third-party problems, given their relationship with them in the past, but third-parties are to blame as well.
When they openly mock the Wii U and announce how Nintendo versions of games are going to miss features, they get rewarded with poor sales. Which in turn gives them an excuse not to support Nintendo anymore.
It's a vicious cycle, and I'm not sure what Nintendo can do. They can't force third-parties to make games for their consoles, and if they try to play hardball like Microsoft and Sony do, then third-parties will simply ignore them.
But that's the thing that hurts Nintendo when it comes to third-party support. How can they even compete with games like Call of Duty when they are getting the short end of the stick every single time? They don't even get the chance to sell a comparable version that everyone else gets and let consumers decide.
@ricklongo Spot on. If Nintendo can't get the mutiplats then they need something to replace them. Good exclusives (which could be retooling of existing mothballed franchises) are a great way to do that.
@Caryslan what do you want them to do, mislead consumers into thinking the Wii U version has the same features when it doesn't? if it doesn't have the features then it would unethical from them to try to hide that fact
Call of Duty would be nice, but I can always play that on my PS3, so...
But yeah, I agree that having strong exclusives to attract a different audience is for the best, even if that decision comes with sacrifices.
@Sadodi Great actually, especially since I have ALL 3 systems and can more than afford to be a fanboy. So why are you here? I won't lie, I only have the Xbox One for certain games, and I only have a PS4 for certain games. But I actually care about Nintendo and want them to succeed. So be it nostalgia, or be it because I'm for the underdog, if it's a crime, then lock me up, brother!
At my house we have Wii U, PS4, XBOX One, Custom built gaming PC, 3DS, Vita, and literally ALL the good games currently out for each. That's all between me and my brother. We spend a lot of money on gaming and it is what it is. Nobody here wants to miss a single good game, with its specs on max in some cases, due to limited hardware ownership. That said, I can't imagine Wii U not being in that mix. It's Nintendo console content, it's essential gaming, 3rd party notwithstanding!
@Sadodi Oh my, looking at your posts, you've been busy bickering with everyone under the sun. What's that all about? What? Your abundance of units/games not fulfilling your needs? Cyber-balls aren't real balls, my friend, so you can go flash those little things somewhere else, lol
@Xamorus Wow, you can afford consoles? That totally isn't already a possibility for millions of gamers! You must feel cool now that you have all three consoles and should be recognized even by the president! You must think that you are the only one who has all three consoles because you are automatically assuming that nobody else have all three of them as well! Well welcome to the real world kiddo.
@Xamorus
Oh my, looking at your posts, you're still here replying to me even though you wrote " Certainly not because they have so much to play and so little time to do it". You look like a person who also has too much to play, please take a break. :D:DDDD
@Sadodi Hmm don't know why people were commenting against you calling you a fanboy.In your comments you weren't guess people didn't read this "If I had to choose I would choose Sony and Nintendo any day because they deliver the most quality, exclusive content."Cause i agree with this sad that you're dealing with someone like @Xamorus sorry friendo it happens.
@HypocrisyNews So my point isn't valid because certain games are under a certain genre that you don't like? Makes sense. Get out.
People will tire of Advanced Warfare as quickly as they have of Destiny. The quality and monotony of these games barely justifies the hype they both build up and people just end up wasting their money on their premium online subscriptions waiting for the next big thing to drop.
I'm a gamer. I'm also a consumer. I buy games and consoles which appeal to my gaming palate. I play shooting games, I play RPGs, I play music games, I play RTSs, I play sims, I play adventure games, I play MOBAs, I play platformers, I play racers, I play party games - I play EVERYTHING that appeals to me.
I don't buy into a franchise or the hardware just because everyone else does or is pressuring me to. I mean sure, I bought a PS4, XBO and NWU because I'm an advocate (and maybe pioneer?) of console unity, but seeing people getting worked up over something like this confounds me.
You can't accuse Nintendo of not having variety. They have the most number of original IPs ever - outnumbering Sony's, Microsoft's and third party IPs. You can accuse third parties of being lazy and pandering to the consumer base that seem to be the least informed and easily hyped that they can neglect the Nintendo fan base and treat them like they're lepers.
-Sigh- People seriously complain and talk too much.
You want to flood articles with refuse, misinformation and rhetoric to generate more traffic and income? Be my guest. I'm going to kill Jubileus in Bayonetta again, level my Ninja in Final Fantasy XIV and finally escape Los Perdidos in Dead Rising 3.
@Dinosaurs I'm jealous, lol But you are a true gamer in my eyes. It really comes down to the games. Nintendo has frustrated me for years, and it's such a relief to see them finally flex some muscle. There is enough room in the market for all of these consoles, but the thought of Nintendo going third party? Nah, we need their hardware innovation and daring to find new experiences. It's still a little weird to see Sega as a third party knowing how great they once were
@midnafanboy
Yeah, I really don't get people like him. Guess that's what you get when you write something non-Nintendo on a Nintendo site, even though your whole comment was positive. People are just out looking for a fight or something. :s
I haven't owned a Nintendo console since the Super Nintendo until these last few years. I got a DS to play all those rpg's that i wished i could play on a console, but that quit coming out. I had a good time, with my favorite DS game being Super Robot Taisen : OG Saga - Endless Frontier. Then I bought a 3ds, I don't regret it one bit.
Then the Wii U caught my attention. I kept paying attention. I saw the games coming out for it, and my hype was going up. When I started thinking about ps4 or Wii U, I realized that it would be ages before the PS4 would have games I care about in sufficient numbers to lure me in, while the Wii U had what I wanted and so much more already. I was tired of all the big AAA games. I was tired of realistic graphics and way too much pure violence for no other reason than because it is popular. So a year ago from this Christmas, I got a Wii U, my first Nintendo home console since the Super Nintendo. I do not regret that purchase. I bought it for 5 reasons, Wonderful 101, Earthbound, Breath of Fire 2, Bayonetta 2, and Xenoblade.
After i got it, I found out it was backwards compatible, then so many awesome games came out, and Gameboy Advance (a system I never owned) games started being released and I got to finally play Golden Sun....so much happiness has the Wii U brought me, and tons of entertainment. Not much more I can say about the Wii U, though I guess I am lying on that score. It is a different type a system, a system for people who don't want to shoot other people in the head, a system for people who are tired of the same crap from the last 8 years. I am glad its around.
@Sadodi I really need to resist playing this petty pissing match with you, it's pointless. I may not like you, and you may not like me, but there are some pretty cool folk to open dialogue with on here, so let's both move on and do just that, deal?
@DualWielding I'm not expecting any third-party developer to lie. The point I was trying to make is that Nintendo versions of games get missing features, content, and other things that are in every other version, often for no reason at all.
Let me make an example here. Suppose there are three stores that are going to sell a new release of a movie that just came out on home video. Stores A & B are carrying Blu-Ray versions with tons of content and an extended cut while Store C is given a bare-bones DVD version that has no bonus content and is a shorter cut of a movie.
Now, you have a studio that openly touts how Store C is only going to carry the bare-bones DVD version and how shoppers at Store C are going to miss out of features and content.
In other words, the studio screwed Store C out of sales by offering a inferior version of a product and openly touting that fact. Who would buy this new release at store C when they could get better versions elsewhere? Why did Store C get a lesser version of a movie? How can they compete if a better version can be bought somewhere else?
And that is what I'm talking about with multi-plat games, mainly ones on the Wii U. Why are Wii U versions missing features and content that are on the PS3 and Xbox 360? It's a more powerful system. It can handle online multiplayer, DLC, and everything those two consoles can.
Third-parties don't need to lie about a thing. They just need to offer the same versions across all platforms unless hardware limitations come into play.
When you have third-parties openly state a Wii U version will not have features or content, they are pretty much saying "don't bother with the lesser version, go buy this on the Xbox or Playstation." It not only hurts Nintendo's efforts to get people to buy their console, but it takes away freedom of choice for the consumer.
Third-parties have openly screwed over Nintendo and have helped fester a negative opinion of the Wii U and what its hardware is capable of. I'm not saying a full-featured Call of Duty would magically change things, but when third-parties openly mock the Wii U, its fanbase, and shortchange Wii U versions of content and features, it artificially changes the market to their whims. In other words, for whatever reason they don't even want to give Nintendo a chance to compete on equal footing.
@Caryslan I agree with you 100% and to add to your point:
1) Them Wiiu 'gimped' ports you talk about cost the exact same price as the Xbox/Ps equivalent, but often get less features or no DLC.
2) Delayed Wiiu games cost the same when they are released, even though the Xbox/PS equivalents have come out earlier cough*Watch_Dogs*cough.
So if you own either an Xbox360, Xbox1, Ps3 or a Ps4, would you wait patiently for several months to buy a 'gimped' Wiiu port at same price as the non-Wiiu version, even though it'll have less features, no DLC support and by the time of release, you could probably be find an Xbox360/Xbox1/Ps3/Ps4 copy in a bargin bin by the time the Wiiu version gets released?
Seriously if any game developers are reading this: either sell your games for £20 or include unique features and DLC built on the disc to justify selling it full price!! IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!!
EDIT: This was in response to your previous post.
@Xamorus
I don't really care, you were the one who wrote that jackass comment towards me. I'm just following the golden rule dude.
@Xamorus I have to correct myself, I did say all the good games for each platform, but the PC would be a strong exception to that - just too many titles on PC that require big time investments to own an overabundance of games there.
But the point I wanted to really illustrate is that the WiiU is essential gaming, whether it's the only gaming device you got, or if you own everything out there. Nintendo just makes good games and hardware shouldn't always be getting in the way of that fact.
@Sadodi Did I say that? You seemed like you were bragging about Sony having more Franchises than Microsoft and Nintendo, and I was just saying it is nothing to brag about when damn near half of those franchises are considered "shovelware", just like the ones on Nintendo or XBOX.
No, your point isn't valid because it is inaccurate. For example, I clicked on your link for PS franchises and it includes BloodBorne. A game that isn't it out yet. Fine. But when I clicked on your link for Nintendo franchises, it DOESN'T include their franchises that are also not out yet like Splatoon and Code Name: S.T.E.A.M. Seems fair. Now YOU get out.
@Gamecubed I agree, but apparently the last Call of Duty didn't do well or else why didn't Nintendo get the latest one? Nintendo still has over 7 million units out there. It's a mystery to me, because otherwise I really enjoy the Wii U
I tend to agree with him. Nintendo, especially with the Wii U, has the most and the best exclusives. Whether you get an Xbox One or a PS4, it doesn't make much difference. They share a lot of the same features, and almost all of their biggest games are shared. There's just not much difference between them. The Wii U, on the other hand, stands out as the only truly unique system this gen. It has the Gamepad and Miiverse, of course, but it's also the only new system to have backwards compatibility and free online play. In the end, if you want the most/best exclusives, go with the Wii U, and if you want the most multiplats go with either the PS4 or Xbox One. If you want the best multiplats, go with PC.
@arnoldlayne83 There are numerous articles out there that point out that even a mid-priced PC from 2006 could match (or exceed) the Xbox 360 versions in quality. The issue is that on the PC side progress continues and developers take advantage of those advancements to do things like not optimizing the PC version (why bother, there is so much power available.) or increase the upper quality of assets. The console specs are locked and never change. Developers can learn new tricks to make the games look better, but it will still be the same outdated hardware in eight years (that goes for the Wii U also).
So I would argue that if developers did the same level of optimization on all versions of games a mid-priced PC purchased last year would be able to still equal the XBO and PS4 in quality eight years from now. But instead we get GTA5 locked at 1080p on consoles and 4k on PC.
@Dinosaurs Roger that, I couldn't agree more
Wow, hilarious how almost this entire thread has basically descended into a trollfight and one upmanship contest about who's allowed a valid opinion based on what consoles they own because....shock horror...the president of Nintendo Of America is supporting his own company.
@Sadodi Hmmm still a little sore I see. You'll heal over time, but not if you keep picking fights.
@ToxieDogg I know and i'm loving the PS4/XboxOne vs PC Master race argument on a Nintendo discussion, lol!
@HypocrisyNews Ok so you thought that I bragged about a company and not that I was just stating a fact? omg you're amazing <3
Also, I'm sorry that I didn't find a site who mentioned Splatoon as well.
@Worthy I sware Candy Crush planted that seed to keep milking consumers by releasing incomplete games and trickling DLC additional purchase incentives afterwards, lol Look at Killer Instinct, what do you think of their approach?
@ToxieDogg It's true. I blame @Damo a grin was surely tugging at least one corner of his visage as he penned that news title lol
@Punished_Boss_84 this Idea is something I will never understand. I look at PS4 and X1 and I see the same games. Military shooters, Racing Sims, Zombie filled massacres, and sports franchises that try to hard to look real. I can find only a small handful of games on my PS3 that does not qualify in these 4 categories. I think Nintendo has less actual games but a better variety of genres.
@Xamorus
Lol, such a hypocrite. I've seen you write DEFINITELY more comments than me here and you say that I spend a lot of my time here? dear god haha get shrekt son
The title seems a bit misleading. Reading the quote he's saying that he "would love to have Call of Duty on our platform" and "I would love to have any of the big blockbuster, multi-platform titles".
But then he says that if he had to choose, he would rather Nintendo get their exclusives than the multi-platform titles, so that Nintendo could provide a different experience, instead of a different version of the same thing.
To go back to the point:
WiiU+ x is good (x: Ps4,Xb1,Pc)
XB1+Ps4 has little sense
XB1+Pc has even less sense
WiiU alone is pretty restrictive and you'll probably never play any future AAA on it.
pick your card
I actually don't see the need for another CoD game on Wii U, as the most complete CoD of the last so many years (Black Ops II) is already on it. The new games are half the game of their predecessors, and make game modes that were featured in BO2 DLC. I'm looking at you, CoD:AW's zombie mode.
Besides that, I don't even have the time to be playing third party AND Nintendo games, figured that out in the last 2 years because I have 4 third party titles just laying around, collecting dust while I'm playing DK,MK8, Pikmin and, soon, Smash.
@Sadodi SMH I see now there's no reasoning with you, you will just continue spewing out crap. Enjoy your last word, I'm done boxing a retard.
I absolutely agree it is better to have the unique Nintendo franchises than the shared games. Of course, the ideal would be to have both. Still, I don't mind missing out on some of the other experiences out there in exchange for those that I know I will truly enjoy. There are a few games I'd like to eventually play that are exclusive to Sony and Microsoft's current generation but I am kept more than busy with all of the great titles coming out on Nintendo platforms. Since I only chose one modern console, Wii U was it and I have no regrets.
@Sadodi either let it go mate, or kiss and make up. Either way, you're becomig extremely boring.
@Xamorus I think alot are guilty of this, so I won't single out XboxOne, (I have a free Steel Diver game that uses in-app purchases on 3DS) although in Killer Instincts case I reckon they should put the full game on a disc eventually.
I think the biggest divide on this topic seems to be between those who think that Nintendo titles are 'AAA' games because of their personal preference and unmistakeable quality of the games anyway, and those who think that only hugely selling franchises like GTA, The Elder Scrolls etc. can be 'AAA' games (don't get me wrong, those games are also excellent), mostly because of their big budgets and big sales.
Of course, this being a Nintendo centric site, many people (myself included at times) will big up Nintendo titles and defend them pretty passionately.
If anybody wants to big up the other formats, there's plenty of other sites more focused around them to go and voice your opinion on. That doesn't necessarily make people here right or you wrong, but by the same token I wouldn't go onto a forum showing support for one football team and start going on about how much better their rivals are and expect people to just accept it and not argue with me, lol
Asking people to choose between Nintendo exclusives and the big multiplatform games is a stupid question as it's possible to have both, as Fils-Aime himself acknowledges.
Nintendo are the ones who have a choice-do they make an effort to get third-party support back with either the Wii U or the design of their next Console? Or do they give up and try and support their consoles entirely by themselves, in which case they need to greatly up both the variety of games they produce and the quantity. No machine will do well with 8 retail games a year (6 in Europe, and two of the eight are just boxed versions of e-shop games). Multiply that by 3 to stand a chance.
It's up to you Nintendo....
@HypocrisyNews
U mad bro. ;)
@SUBTERRANEANguy
kisses There ya go love <3
Here's what Reggie essentially said: "Well, we wish we had CoD and those sales, but we don't... so let me make it sound as if we're totally fine with that, in fact we prefer to not have that game and those sales."
Riiiiiiiight. Nice try Reggie. That's like the kid who didn't get Jordans for Christmas while everyone else did, acting like he didn't even want them in the first place.
@ToxieDogg Honestly There are also people (me included) that enjoy both Nintendo games and other franchises, and they would be more than happy to see all their favourite games on one console (pretty much for money saving reasons). But here I often read comments like "Nintendo is the best, the rest is crap...or fps shooters".... which is pretty much BS. And this attitude is also a reason why historically third party games sell poor on Nintendo consoles.....
@gage_wolf
Which is, imho, the same attitude some people here have towards games from other consoles.... "is not coming to my suppaduppa Nintendo console, so it must be crap".
Reggie is right of course but he should say it more often.
@SpookyMeths this comment right here, I have a PS3 only for Ni No Kuni, The Tales Series, Atelier series, and a few other quirky Japanese titles like Akiba's Trip and Hatsune Miku.
@Jazzer94 But what if I actually feel like that? He said he'd rather have Mario and Zelda than CoD, he didn't say that he wouldn't like to play CoD on Wii U. Of course he'd like to have all the big third~party games on the console.
And last week I went to a Microsoft event and played many of their games. I must say that I got bored pretty fast and ended up playing my 3DS. Most of those games felt soulless to me
@Sadodi Awww poooor baaaaaby!! Your still on here fighting with like 5 people at a time? Its okay sugah, its oooookaaaay...
@Xamorus 'ello fanboy! You're still here talking with 10 people at a time? awwwww
@dumedum
Reggie is wrong. Clearly most people are picking CoD over Mario and Zelda, so he needs to stop pretending like those titles are still the hottest thing around.
Reggie saying things like "They don't have our games." makes Nintendo sound like the greedy loner kid on the block who doesn't let the rest of the kids on the street play with his ball. Sure the other kids will want that ball for a while, but eventually they get over it and move on. If I had to pick whether or not I wanted to play with the loner kid with his ball, or the rest of the kids in the neighborhood... well that's an easy decision.
In other words, Sony and Microsoft aren't sweating not having Mario, but Nintendo could certainly use some CoD.
@LDXD Or maybe I've encountered even more jackasses.
This is great actually, I'm literally eating popcorn right now laughing at these people. :D:D:D:D
@gage_wolf Sony sold 14 millions consoles without Mario and Zelda in one year....
@Darknyht #195
Still, if in 2006 I spent 300$ in a console, I am still playing new games with it. If I have spent the double on a pc, the latter probably doesn't physically exist anymore....
God I can't believe I just read through 100+ comments worth of this commenting contest. I used to get tangled up in this kinda crap too. Word of advice to you all. Stop replying to each other. Just because you didn't get the last word in doesn't make you the loser or the other person the winner.
You all lose because you are contributing NOTHING to the conversation at hand. I'm not gonna ask you guys to "get a life" or "get out", because I don't know what you guys do in life.
But honestly just stop. Debate or something, but cut the flaming and snarky jabs.
@Sadodi Nope, I find you very amusing. You mad bro?
http://i.imgur.com/Tcwi2ot.gif
@HypocrisyNews
You happy bro
@Sadodi
@Punished_Boss_84 He never once stated wii u is better, he simply stated what team he rather wants to be on and why not the others
comes in to make a comment, sees other comments and slowly backs away
Oh my. My email inbox is lighting up!
With people either agreeing, Gleefully playing around word supplementary in regards to Wii U, cherry picking, acknowledging that you'll need a PC or a one or a four for variety, generalisations on One/Four games and something else... I can't deal with all that, although I have responses in mind...
My point still stands, you have to look beyond the generalisations.
@NameDifferent I know.
This comment section is screwed. The point is that Nintendo has more exclusives and different games, while Microsoft and Sony have less exclusives and shared 3rd party games. There is a big enough difference to say that Nintendo is the most different out of the 3. That's all he's saying, and there are advantages and disadvantages to it. He was only saying the beneficial part for obvious reasons, just like how Microsoft and Sony wouldn't openly come out and say they have less active exclusives than Nintendo, and by active, I mean games that they actually have enough time, money, and reason to make.
SHOTS FIRED
PC and Wii U (along with 3DS and/or Vita) are all you really need this gen.
XBoner has nothing I want, other than Scalebound, which I don't really NEED to play. PS4 only has Neptunia V II, but I can probably count on a Re;birth4 for Vita in the future for that. As for Multi-plats like FF15, I can wait. PC gamers can be patient when they want to be. I've been waiting for an Age of Empires 4 to come out for a long while now.
@Sadodi Okay, that's it, troll. What's so funny is that you're lucky if I actually comment on this site again for another month. I have the day off today, and by being on here, tugging at your tightly-braided pigtails, I'm in fact procrastinating on taking my vehicle to the carwash, lol. That's called having a life. But nooo, not you, oh Queen of the Trolls. You will be on here tomorrow, the day after that, and the day after that, into infinity. Because this what drives your pitiful little brain. Now that's the slap in the mouth you've had coming to you, son. Now go ahead and copy half of this response and paste it to your witty comeback, like you've done for the last three or four of my responses. See you next month, my bitter little troll...
@Xamorus
Microsoft 'in the hole'? Ha ha ha. I don't get it but I think that must be a really clever joke
@Xamorus
Because third party games struggle on Nintendo platforms. Have done for years. Even on Wii (apart from Just Dance).
I don't like the whole "Wii U is a secondary console" thing. If you're going to own a PS4/Xbox One/PC, you're going to need a Nintendo console with it, or else you're missing out on a lot. It works both ways. You need at least two gaming platforms to get a good majority of the quality titles that come out.
@MikeLove "Wii U is the LEAST diverse console available in terms of the genres available on it, now and in the future."
I'm glad someone noticed that. Wii U has an increasingly impressive games library but diversity is not its strong point.
@electrolite77 I agree with you. And that's what Nintendo should focus on the future.... ok keep going with its well known estabilished franchises, but it's time to cover all the gaps they have: fps, sports, gdr (western/easter) and so on... Doing this in-house or hiring studios is not important, but if they won't do that, they indirectly agree with the fact that their consoles are the complementary/secondary ones....
Wow. Big comment response. This is Nintendo's place right now and I'm sure Reggie would rather have much more third party support. Nothing wrong with that. But he's right. Nintendo is in a better place when it comes to business and games that are worthwhile.
Obviously Nintendo had a serious hiccup there with botched launches of 3DS and Wii U and the withdrawal of third party support but it's really no worse of than the others which are competing on price and are not making much in the way of profits.
The only third party games I dislike missing out on is those Jrpg and anime niche games that the other 2 systems get. But as long as the Wii U keep having games I would play and enjoy, I cant complain on what it doesn't have.
There's only so much free time one person have.
I'm very happy to see some people on this site are objective here instead of just bashing the other systems. I read what Reggie said and he's right. At the same time, he also sounds kind of butt hurt. Don't spin what you're lacking to turn it into jabs at the competition being "the same". If you're fine where Nintendo is at, then be fine with it. Nintendo needs third party and that's that. People will continue to buy from the other 2 because Nintendo doesn't have it.
I personally was starting to lose faith in the Nintendo community because I felt like Nintendo fans feel like Ninty can't do no wrong. Now the the true Nintendo fans are speaking up that they aren't happy that 3rd party is becoming non-existent. Nintendo fans don't want to buy Xboxs and PlayStations to play their 3rd party. They want their Nintendo console to do that. I can't blame them. Nintendo really needs to pick it back up with this. It's a huge issue with Nintendo now. The biggest one honestly.
Reggie never said he wasn't in favour of multiplat games. He only said he'd rather have a lot of exclusive games, rather than a lot of multiplat games...
That wasn't too difficult to understand, right?
@Clandon That is like talking to a brick wall. Just sidestep as much as you can. The "Soul still Burns" in here.
I personally dont understand why this "3rd party support" discussion is still such a big thing. Like are all of you guys rich and have all the time in the world? Like could you really afford time- AND money wise to buy all of this games if they came out for the wii u + the must have titles that Nintendo brings out for the Wii U?
Do you guys finish your games and 100% them? I have already no damn clue how i will manage to finish and 100% bayonetta 2 (let alone bayonetta 1) before smash 4 comes out, i have still not 200% DKCTF, same with Hyrule Warriors etc. And theres this huge game list for 2015 already...
Like seriously... even if gtav, cod, battlefield and w/e came out for the wii u... i wouldnt buy them anyway.. i have responsabilites and dont have all the time in the world to play videogames (and to me its crazy to think so many people apperently do). And when i have some free time and turn on my wii u, i want to experience something awesome, and a bunch of idiotic 10-16 year olds yelling on their mics and thinking they are grown ups cause they play piss easy M-rated games, is not my view of "awesome"
Jesus christ biiiiiig wall of text... hopefully someone takes the time to read it and answer/agree/counter argument/discuss/whatever.
Greetings ^_^
Go Reggie! I love the uniqueness of Nintendo's first party games and characters. I will always be a Mario and Zelda guy before sports or COD so he's preaching to the choir hear. I will say this, once Halo MCC and FXV hit the market, the "other guys" will have some serious first party games for their fans. Its easy to point out differences in the early stages of the XB1 and PS4 life cycles. This debate will never change. The only choice is 1 console and decide between Nintendo or XB1/PS4 or 2 consoles and you get a Nintendo and one of XB1 or PS4. J have a Wii U but I am saving up for a PS4. Id rather that over buyng a N3DS next year.
@Rafie - Exactly. You can't just tell Nintendo gamers to buy another console for 3rd party support. That doesn't address the issue at all; it avoids it. That's besides that some Nintendo gamers feel screwed over by some 3rd parties with missing content, late games, and some quick/cheap ports. Even if Nintendo gamers wanted to buy 3rd party games right now, what 3rd parties have shown is questionable, anyway.
I was happy with games like Tekken, CoD, Splintercell, Sonic, etc. on Wii U, but not everyone else felt the same way, and I can agree that 3rd parties have screwed over Wii U in some ways; namely, CoD Ghosts, Madden, FIFA, Watch Dogs, Project Cars, etc.
Wii U should have gotten the Xbox One version of CoD Ghosts, at least, but it didn't. That's Activision's incompetence, unless they planned on being cheap on purpose. No one even knows anymore, but it's one of those 2. That's when having the game at all, or having one of quality are the only real choices between the consoles. There is enough reason to blame 3rd parties just as much as Nintendo, given the type of support they did give.
EDIT: 3rd parties are absent or crappy on Wii U, so Reggie is highlighting their strengths.
All I need:
Nintendo Wii U : Nintendo games you won't find on any other platform.
Nintendo 3DS : Same as on top, but on the go.
Computer : Hidden gems, MMOs, and modable games. (So much nude mods!)
PS4 : J-RPGs.
But I still pick Nintendo overall because of my childhood.
There's a remedy to this issue. Drop a load of VC games from the rare (Michael Jackson's Moonwalker), to the jaw dropping awesome (Eternal Darkness). Their back catalog of games would wipe away any 3rd party support.
@crimsontadpoles i agree with you on ninty that they do need to encourage 3rd parties, true they made mistakes but are slowly getting back on its feet.
@crimsontadpoles i agree with you on ninty that they do need to encourage 3rd parties, true they made mistakes but are slowly getting back on its feet.
@crimsontadpoles i agree with you on ninty that they do need to encourage 3rd parties, true they made mistakes but are slowly getting back on its feet.
@belmont About FF and MGS. Square Enix & Konami have recently started putting those games on Steam and they seem to be on track to release the latest games on there as well. It's been a fairly recent things that has gotten people's attention when thinking about console value this gen.
GIVE THIS MAN A PAT ON THE BACK AND A CAKE! We don't even get to share it! This is how it goes: The best version goes to the highest bidder between Sony or Microsoft. The half the content second class version goes to Nintendo. They can put their terrible 3rd party stuff you know where!
Exclusives are important to snag as well. But nobody buys Bintendo for 3rd party!!!
Reggie is right the consoles really need things to distinguish each other. When you look at the PS4 and X1's top 15 selling games, 10 of them are on both systems. the PS4 is the worst offender with its top 5 games being all multi-plats.
This disregard for actually separating the consoles apart from each other apart from specs isn't a good thing. Due to the lack of focus on unique content the choice between PS4 and X1 for the mainstream audience and even many gamers becomes barely different than a choice of DVD players, devices which can play any DVD anyway.
The X1 showcases the folly of devices relying on the same few games, every time a system seller multiplat has came out it has gotten a smaller boost in system sales than the PS4 does.
In some ways, Nintendo is their own worst enemy. Their exclusive first-party games are what sells the console and so third-party titles seldom make a splash on their consoles. the third parties pull support and Nintendo is left to keep their console afloat with their own titles.
@arnoldlayne83 and many others: PLEASE REFER TO THIS QUOTE: "I would love to have Call of Duty on our platform. I would love to have any of the big blockbuster, multi-platform titles." Nintendo is NOT saying that third party big titles are not welcome/wanted/needed on the Wii U. IT IS NOT Nintendo's fault that major third parties don't want to put games on the Wii U. In fact, they have been growing their install base for this very reason. They are doing their best to welcome third parties back. There is the argument of adult/M rated games not being wanted or selling well on the Wii U to be addressed. Bayonetta 2. I REALIZE THIS ONLY ONE GAME! Let me go into ALL the factors that made Call of Duty not sell well on the Wii U. For starters, there are, quite obviously, not many Nintendo fanbasers who enjoy Call of Duty and will pay for it. The fact of the matter is, NINTENDO WANTED CALL OF DUTY ON THE WII U SO THAT XBOX AND PLAYSTATION FANBASERS WOULD BUY THE WII U! If you can tell me that this was bad marketing, you don't deserve to join this debate, I'm sorry. THE MAIN REASON IT DIDN'T WORK: MOST Xbox and Playstation users - and don't deny this - have placed that label of "Secondary-System" on Nintendo. It's been there for a while. YOU CAN'T REMOVE A NEGATIVE SOCIAL LABEL OVER-NIGHT!!! I don't blame people for not being convinced to buy Wii U. I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THOSE WHO SAY THAT NINTENDO IS PITIFUL (for lack of better term) FOR NOT HAVING THIRD PARTY. People who believe so need to realize the following: Because of the sort-of stigma people have placed on Nintendo, people don't buy their console. Because of the lack of user base who want Call of Duty and Assassins Creed, they aren't marketed for the Wii U. Because of THIS, people continue to not buy the Wii U. MORAL: If you REALLY want to see more third party AAA games on the Wii U, START BUYING MORE WII Us AND SUPPORT SUCH CONTENT ON THE CONSOLE!!! In order for this cycle to end, Xbox and Playstation Fans need to overcome the thought that Nintendo is a sissy/baby/kiddie console. I AM NOT USING THAT AS A BLANKET STATEMENT.
As a parting thought: If you feel there are some holes in my reasoning, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO POINT THEM OUT! I love to debate topics like this. I realize that some of what I said may sound a bit hateful/spiteful. I'm sorry for that. I needed to vent some of what I felt about the arguments happening in the chat. I will NOT attack Playstation OR Xbox. But I will state some observations that I see. If you have a problem with what I say, say so. I like to think through things and see other perspectives. YES I AM A NINTENDO FAN-BOY. THIS DOES NOT MEAN I CAN'T BE LEVEL HEADED AND REASONABLE.
Having both is a gamer paradise, exclusives are exclusives but it seems like he's just trying to save faith. You sweep big games under the rug like that due to them choosing to skip your console for sale reason etc. They have their reasons after years of trying to make the games shine on a Nintendo System period. Let it be sales or just hardware problems id never say such things like i rather have Mario and Zelda experience. Im a gamer baby give me everything !
if you seriously need another gaming platform then you are wasting your money on the drivel ms and sony have on them.
buy a graphics card for your pc and install steam. cheaper and better.
i dont buy nintendo systems to play batman, ass. creep unity or cod bollocks. i like gaming, not these dress up simulators and right wing teenage war fantasies
@Nintendo_Ninja I was about 50/50 1st/3rd party for the Gamecube just needs to be the best version or exclusive that is all.
It's a three pronged attack
Develop games in house.
Pick up niche games that are amazing but need a little of that "Nintendo Polish" like with Bayonetta.
Partner with proven 3rd parties for spinoffs in franchises like with Hyrule Warriors.(Hint let Treasure make a Wario Land 6 for 3DS.)
@SpookyMeths
Well said.
Personally I'll take Mario AND everything that Sony can offer as well. That's how I get all of my gaming bases covered.
@Punished_Boss_84
Also well said. I honestly could not imagine just having a Wii U this console generation. Yes, Nintendo's first party stuff is amazing, but I don't just want to play Mario Kart and Tropical Freeze over and over again , waiting months on end for something new to come along. I have very diverse gaming tastes and Nintendo alone just doesn't cut it anymore. It did when I was 7, but not now that I'm 27. Sometimes I want to play racing games that don't involve turtle shells, and sometimes I actually want to shoot stuff in my games. Not many of those options on the Wii U.
@Punished_Boss_84
Incredible wrong on so many levels. Nintendo is a brand or genre of their own. Miyamoto believes this as well, has publicly stated so. He's much more credible regarding the industry than you are kiddo. Creating a very different model for themselves is what makes any company stand out. The console has plenty of variety, whether you think so is completely subjective, when the games out there prove otherwise. Quit spreading bull. Stay off the internet. On to next one...
@Diddy_kong
You lack the ability to dive in and take a chance with soooo many games like your incorrect pal.
Children in gaming these days...Sad.
@sugarshack: I would strongly advise against attacking people so agressively. It only starts arguments and creates more hate. On top of that, It's only going to make disbelievers dig their heels in more. Be nice.
@Tuosev
I'll say what I want to say, however I want to say it when I want to say it. Thank YOU very much.
@sugarshack Well, then, enjoy a chaotic life full of disagreements and hate.
If you can't be nice, don't expect people to be nice back.
Or respect you or what you say, for that matter.
I agree, but he shouldn't have said that.
The biggest problem with the whole Sony/Microsoft VS Nintendo fanbases thing is the fact that neither side seems to be able to step back and actually try to explain their standpoint. I side with Nintendo; always will. This does not mean that I can't understand why some gamers prefer Sony/Microsoft. I try to use real arguments and defense rather than straight up being aggressive and rude. And if someone brings up a good point, I'll acknowledge it instead of saying, "You suck, you're wrong."
I mean, hey. I could always bring up nonsensical arguments like: Playstation wouldn't exist if not for Nintendo (Which is true. Nintendo and Sony were working partners before the N64, and Nintendo called it quits on the project, so Sony took it) or that Video Games as we know them wouldn't exist if not for Nintendo (Which is also true. Everybody remember the industry crash that was caused by Atari? Yeah, Nintendo really saved our hides back then.
I agree. My main console is the Wii U. My secondary is the PS4. I mostly play games on my PC..actually just one game. Since Warlords of Draenor is coming out next week and I just resubbed, all my time will be dedicated to that lol.
Yeah right. That's just publicity bullcrud. Sony's got just as strong of First-Party support and exclusive content. There is no excuse for the lack of shared content that can run on PS360. And if you really want to go there, the PS4 has had much better exclusive content so far IMHO. MS also's got some good exclusive content too, but I wouldn't say it matches Nintendo's. He's still playing his cards right though, this is probably the right way to advertise the console. Even if it does support the secondary console idea in a way.
I think Reggie is starting to bash the x1 and ps4 now. I mean, seriously who gets a ps4 or x1 for cod? And why does he always only mention Mario and Zelda out of all of Nintendo's franchises? There isn't a new Zelda yearly?!
@FallinUp well said...I feel just the same...
@Snowfin
Its simple, people like variety, and not everyone likes the same games. The less variety the more you have to pick and choose between platforms to get what you want, and not everyone can own everything even if they do have the time for it. What if you like Mario AND GTA? or are a huge JRPG fan? You've got some decisions to make.
As for your question about finishing games, a lot of people don't, let alone 100% them. Thats why online-multiplayer is popular, or is pushed so hard, and is the original excuse for DLC. Some companies got the idea people get bored with their games and would trade them in 'too soon'.
@Caryslan The thing is consumers HAVE decided and it's not on Nintendo platforms. It's been this way for a while and there is a more recent downturn with Wii U 3rd party sales.. Understand these games are more in line with the "enthusiast console" which provides the most power for graphical output.. these video game players are looking for the best looking version not to mention online functionality is much better on both ps4 and xbone. Most of these games didn't even sell that good on the Wii and it was a monster in terms of sell through. I doubt Nintendo will ever claim this part of the market nor do they seem to care and in time it might not matter as there has already been a cleansing of these types of games and the publishers.. Nintendo can't force anyone's hand and these companies are in fact their competition... who do you think will win in the long run? I know who I would put my money on even though people think a few 3rd party games are going to off Nintendo.. that my friend is loving hilarious!! I have a decent PC and can play all these games on it if I really wanted. Nintendo plus PC and a portable 3DS is all I need. To each their own!
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Well Nintendo does make the better games
I can agree with Reggie's opinion. Nintendo's games are more fun. I'll happily stick with Wii U and my computer - no real reason to buy a PS4 or an Xbox One.
Nintendo needs both their exclusives and the third party games. Then you'd have a console that would sell extremely well. Maybe not right away, but then people would see the console's line up and would buy it. Then you would only have to get one console to have the Nintendo classics from your childhood and they popular muiltiplats.
sorry Reggie but YOU are in total denial!! first off i LOVE my wii u. BUT it took you guys almost 2 years to get the wii u finally in stride! most of that credit can be gjven to indie support on the eshop and yes the nintendo exclusives. but the vc however is still horrible and 6-8 retail games a year is NOT gonna cut it! its called variety!! so now i had no choice but to get a ps4 and a xone (similar to the PS3,wii,360 scenario- but wii had WAY better support) and park em right next to my wii u! why? because i wanna play battlefield 4, cod, tomb raider, nba2K15, halo master chief collection, sunset overdrive, the unfinished swan, grand theft auto 4&5, walking dead, the last of us, need for speed, forza horizon 2, thief and soon to be countless other games that the wii u simply wont have! it wont be long before the choices on xone and ps4 blows wii u out of the sky in BOTH retail and their online stores as well! So put that in your pipe and smoke it Reg!! if you ask me, its a miracle you and the virtual console guy haven't been fired!! OH YEAH CAN ANYONE WHO INTERVIEWS REGGIE OR IWATA ASK THEM WHY THE VC SERVICE BLOWS??? thx!!
@Punished_Boss_84
GAMEPAD BABY!!!
I prefer choice thats why i have a Wii U and Xbox One best of both worlds,my cake and eat it as they say,keep it secrect keep it safe.
@PinkSpider
NICE!
@Zombie_Barioth
True that. As I understand it, Nintendo is at least trying to get 3rd party support but aren't getting any. That's too bad but the WiiU still DOES bring the experience I bought it for. When I start up, say, Mario Kart of The Wind Waker I'm a happy gamer. More happy if I could play everything, but i'd buy a first party game over most crossplatform games anyway and Nintendo delivers enough first party to make it worthwile so far.
@sugarshack Oh dear someone who has been reading too much PR gospel. Prove it, list all genres Nintendo have worked in for Wii U and get back to me.
@Gen Amen!
@arnoldlayne83
Yeah exactly. They did take steps in that direction with things like NBA Courtside and Geist but then dropped it.
The other thing I think they need to do is drop their admirable belief that they shouldn't do sequels to things like Pokemon Snap and F-Zero because they can't do anything different. It rings hollow anyway when they churn out very similar NSMB and DKC games but gamers don't necessarily need iterations to be revolutionary. Just good. Plus they increase the depth and diversity of the catalogue.
What is the latest on the relationship with Activision and at least the previous COD's BO2 & Ghost DLC or crossplat capable with these popular multiplay titles.. maybe.. That's what's coming.. Especially due to there bigggg budgets.. & so far PS4 & XONE low install base... I would figure these 3pdevs would be honored to profit off the U's current & future install base.. I would Love to just have my Nintendo like Iv always had and have common and beyond capabilities..
@Kurtz
It doesn't sound as if you like gaming at all chief. Very closed-minded.
@Octane
Blame Nintendo Life. They've put a very sensationalist, clickbaity spin on what Fils-Aime said. Very disappointing, NL.
@foobarbaz
It seems impossible to have both, take Destiny for example the season pass coming up is very light on content for the price...yet Sony's exclusivity deal with Activision gives them an extra strike the Xbox versions won't have for a whole year.
When Sony and Microsoft are willing to pay to make the versions of the game on other consoles seem like a lesser experience(timed DLC) there's no way a system holder can afford to have most third parties(Sony/MS) while having a lot of extremely high quality 1st party titles and exclusives(Nintendo's WiiU if you look at the critical reception for the games).
I agree with Reggie.. if I really wanted to play a terrible game like Call of Duty, Battlefield, Assassins Creed or Madden/Fifa, I could just install it on my PC.....
I buy Nintendo hardware to play Nintendo's amazing exclusives that no other company has been able to best.
Honestly, 3rd party titles just don't sell well on the wii u. Partly becayse a lot of ps/xbox fanboys think of the nwu as the kiddie console. They would never buy CoD on the wii u even if they could. I would love to see some of the major 3rd party games on the wii u, but I don't really need it. Like Reggie says, I'd love to have both, but if I had to choose, I'd choose the Nintendo exclusives every time.
Another thing to add here is that people need to stop attacking others for their preferences. You're on a Nintendo fan site. Of course the majority of fans here prefer Nintendo consoles. What do you expect?! You don't go on a PlayStation fan site and expect everyone to prefer Nintendo, do ya?! I'm here because I love Nintendo, but I love the others as well. No alliance, allegiance, or preference. I prefer all of them if I had to choose. We can get our points across without attacking one another.
I don't mind not playing a large percentage of the games that don't make it to Wii U. There simply is less diversity in games for WiiU's console competitors. They also tend to focus on a narrow band of demographics with their games too. I tend to prefer game types that appear on Wii U. WiiU games have a different, broader target demographic with a focus on innovation and creativity. That's more my taste anyway.
I don't understand why those who pull the "my console of choice has better specs" card consistently conveniently overlook their console of choice does not and CANNOT offer the same experience as the WiiU. The gamepad offers an experience that you just physically cannot replicate on another console. And if you do not see the creative advantage to that item, you're not playing a game designed to take advantage of it.
@Punished_Boss_84 I was gonna respond to your comment, but then I realized that you NEVER say a positive thing concerning the Wii U, much less Nintendo... I read your last 50 comments... Nothing positive, all hate and bash. Tsk tsk.
@Punished_Boss_84
There are over 450 titles for the system. With plenty of variety. I wasn't talking about just Nintendo developed titles. I was quite specific too. But you see and read what you want to believe. Unless your only hobby is gaming,(pathetic it may be) that's plenty of time to indulge in games. Simple mathematics would say so. Go back (stay in) to school. You undoubtedly need it. Your opinion is severely misguided.
@PAppleyard
That's pretty much where I am. I have a PC for third-party games...but I almost always wait for STEAM sales for them because quality can vary hightly (with or without Metacritic's approval). Nintendo is (usually) the only company I'll full price for games anymore because of the dedicated quality...and the fact prices hardly ever drop XD. There's nothing wrong with having the best of both worlds, but I'm not dropping hundreds of dollars a year for slogs of uninspired shooters and bad JRPGs, when I can get masterpieces like Bayonetta 2, Xenoblade, and Mario 3D World with my money.
And are people REALLY fighting with Punished Boss? We all know he's a troll who's "too cool for Wii U"...just ignore him already,
i enjoy call of duty games on consoles and my wii u. reggie statement is so ignorant. black ops 2 is even my most played game on the wii u.
The Wii U is doing a good job of creating it's own niche with games that are in many ways different from everything else out there. I'd love to have the latest CoD on Wii U, but instead we get promising looking exclusives like Devil's Third and Splatoon.
So it looks like Nintendo will ALWAYS be that supplementary console, which beats the arms race it's high-end competition in many ways. As long as Nintendo continues to find success and creates great games I'm happy with their left-field decisions.
I'd hate for there to be a world without Nintendo's attention to polished game designed at it's basic and purest form.
@Platypus101 There's a saying: don't judge a book by its cover but do as you please.
Sorry I don't hand out positive comments on a gold filled platter plate. For no company.
@sugarshack
Mathematics (450) = Variety. I heavily doubt Nintendo have published 450 titles in under 3 yrs for Wii U.
My misguided opinion has been clear, your clearly misunderstood ("list all the genres Nintendo have worked in for Wii U") that to mean every single title on Wii U. So I'll stop right here.
Nintendo really needs to do some work to get 3rd party companies onboard. While I mostly play 1st party games there are some 3rd party series I do like.
@MikeLove Yes - and what a perfect opinion to have! Screw Avengers. Bad movie.
*Facepalm. Guys, Reggie isn't saying that he DOESN'T want third party support. He's saying that if third party developers don't want to bring their games to the Wii U, then he'd rather keep Nintendo's first party titles. Obviously he wants more third party support as much as the next guy, but if Nintendo doesn't get any, they're still content with their own games as well. Make no mistake, Nintendo wants, and is getting more third party support. You just gotta be patient. They're still sorting things out.
At least Wii U is different enough to be worth owning. If you have either XBone or PS4, you really won't find much reason to own the other. I have yet to see anyone who realistically finds a need to have PS4 AND XBone, and really if you have a good PC, you can actually skip out on both right now since there hasn't really been any good console exclusives for either of these yet.
Only thing I find on XBone that I might actually try is Sunset Overdrive, and PS4 to me right now is nothing more than 'I hope Sly Cooper 5 is going to be announced soon'.
The issue once again is that the Wii U is too different in architecture to all other X86 systems. What dev is going to spend time, money, research and effort to specifically adapt their engines to make proper use of the Wii U hardware (however excellently designed the Wii U hardware is) when their games won't sell?
Another issue that games seemingly cannot be installed onto HDD from disc meaning developers have to spend time working around streaming issues on large games. Downloadable Wii U titles have to be deliberately bodged in order to ensure they work no different to disc as most Wii U owners do not have a supplementary HDD attached to their Wii U. Hence why Splinter Cell Wii U runs in higher resolution BUT does not feature HD textures, which the PS3/360 install.
Nintendo has to share the blame, while it is fantastic to see them implementing upgrades to their OS, online infrastructure, dev kits, licensing etc on a monthly basis it's a pity they left it until this late...Most of this should've been developed prior to the Wii U release - but again like the 3DS Nintendo assumed gamers would be stupid enough to buy based on brand name with no added value. Japanese gamers are easily fooled but western gamers are not.
Even if you're not a Nintendo fan, Wii U has claimed the spot for "the best second home console". What I mean is, if you already own a PS4 or an XBOX One, and you want to get a second home console, Wii U is the obvious best choice. That's pretty good news for Nintendo. They just need to make gamers see the games they will miss out on without a Wii U. So more advertising Nintendo!
Personally I only own a Wii U, I'll consider PS4 when you can play ALL the Kingdom Hearts HD games on that console and only that console. I'm not getting a PS3 ever. Or XBOX One for that matter. So if it's not happening, I can live without Kingdom Hearts. I have Zelda, and I like it more.
Before I say anything else here, I figure I should add that while PS4 is my main console of choice, I think both it and the Wii U are great for different reasons, and I fully intend to pick up a Wii U as soon as I can afford it. Simply put, I'm not here to bash one console or another. I agree with @Punished_Boss_84 's statement that the Wii U makes a better secondary console, and I wouldn't be looking to buy it yet if I didn't already own a PS4, but that is really for me just down to personal preference. I wanted a PS4 for the best MGS:GZ experience, nothing more to it really.
However, that being said, some of the comments thrown about in this thread are simply hilarious. I appreciate that you weren't calling them bad games, but saying that Uncharted, The Last of Us, Bloodborne and AC all play the same just because they have the same camera perspective? Man you must have been drunk or something when you wrote that one @Trikeboy. In terms of gameplay, mood, setting, plot, those 4 games are all about as different as they come. That's like saying Far Cry, Skyrim, Mirror's Edge and Bioshock are all the same because they're in 1st person...
@gage_wolf Reggie is not wrong. If Mario and Zelda were multiplatform they would out sell COD. And even if they didn't, they're higher quality. Nintendo has its own unique library of games and it doesn't have to be in the same sea as everyone else. Reggie is spot on.
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