Topic: Would Nintendo survive as third party?

@DarthNocturnal: Um....NCL is actually good in advertising. Its the american division that sucks.

That always makes me wonder.....just how do the games sell huge if they never make any attempt in marketing one bit? Even with the likes of social media, they still can't get it right.

@Thelastlugia: Not only that, it just feels odd to play those games on a multiplat system. I mean think how the Xbox's image will be if it had Nintendo IP there.....it can't be considered hardcore because the audience for the Xbox is dedicated for hardcore gamers. Maybe they'll fit in for Playstation but seeing as how Nintendo and Sony's relationship are weak, I highly doubt that will change anytime soon.

@TheLastLugia:

I didn't say that Xenoblade X WOULD have just instantly done as well as the Witcher 3. But it COULD have, based on time, marketing, building an audience etc etc.
Tales of Xilia sold more on the PS3 install base of 80 million than Xenoblade Chronicles sold on the Wii install base of 100 million. Given that Xenoblade Chronicles is the superior game in nearly everyone's opinion, clearly the biggest factor there is just the different preferences of the userbase.
So no, just porting Xenoblade X over to the PS4 tomorrow wouldn't lead to it selling 6 million. But that's not how the Witcher got successful either. It built it's success gradually, with each game getting a slightly bigger audience and bigger reputation over time. Xenoblade could definitely do the same and would have the same potential as something like The Witcher in terms of it's maximum potential audience.
Whereas its maximum potential audience on Nintendo seems to be at 1 million.

@Dezzy: There's a difference between Tales of Xilia a game that is based on an IP that existed longer than Xenoblade that as of now, only has three games.

Right now, its audience is small and its not anywhere as big as tales. It may have a reputation but that all depends on Nintendo if they want it to be big. They usually take risks only when something needs to change. Xenoblade as of now is just in line with Fire Emblem, both IPs that don't have a big audience but that will change only if Nintendo is willing to let these IPs live.

@Dezzy: there's so many holes in your argument it might as well be Swiss cheese. You convinently forget that the Tales of series is exactly that, a longstanding series with a dedicated fanbase already behind it, whereas Xenoblade Chronicles was a new game starting exactly from scratch. Not even mentioning how troubled Xenoblade's localisation was as it barley limped its way out of Japan with a relatively cheap localisation from NoE, and even then it was exclusive to GameStop. So overall a weak comparison.

Xenoblade * might * be able to find an audience, become a JRPG series juggernaut and thrive, but it has literally everything against it if it was made and published by a 3rd party Nintendo on the other consoles. Lack of a big fanbase, unlikely to attract newcomers and would be very difficult to compete against the competition.

And the The Witcher 3 comparison should just end whilst we're ahead. There are two massive differences between them that show how/why one succeeds and the other would probably fail, and you see those by looking as the artstyle of the two and the PEGI/ESRB rating they have respectively on the box. Unless Xenoblade matches The Witcher 3 and Bioware and Bethesda's RPGs in its graphics and certificate, it wouldn't make that audience give it a first glance, never mind a second.

Again this sucks, 'cause I love Xenoblade. But it's the truth as I see it.

To end on a positive note I also believe that this will never happen so yay on that

@DarthNocturnal: I guess....but I do agree. NoA barely gets marketing done right. Sometimes I wonder whether Fates could have sold worse than SFV if V didn't have loss of content in the first place.

@TheLastLugia

Your Swiss cheese is unfortunately mouldy.
Xenoblade is just as connected to Xenogears and Xenosaga as the Tales games are to each other (not very much), so is just as much of an established series. And also, it's a claim that you can easily cross check with the other RPGs on the Wii. Lo and behold, Xenoblade was the best selling RPG on the system. Which does strongly indicate what I'd claimed previously: that there was just a fairly limited demand for the genre in the Nintendo audience.

The rest of what you say doesn't make sense. Your "literally everything against it" seems to be a description of just the natural market conditions for all games. When you combine that with the fact that the previous game got 92 on metacritic, you could equally call those conditions "literally everything going for it".
The age rating and graphics are trivial. Compare it to Final Fantasy instead if you prefer. More similarity in style. And STILL has that 5 million+ audience.

@Dezzy: This is all just speculation in the end, and as I say for once it's something I'm glad that speculation is as far as this will reach. You think Xenoblade would thrive as a multiplat, I think it would be one of the Nintendo series most under threat if this 'Nintendo 3rd party brigade' get their wish. You have brought up a few good point amongst your more, how should I say, your more fascinating points I'll give you that. To sum up my arguement, I just don't see how Xeno or Monolith Soft are being held back by developing only for Nintendo, there's a reason they were up for sale after all.

But I just cannot emphasise enough how farcical it is to me to compare Xeno(blade) with The Witcher 3 and Final Fantasy in the area of sales. Comparing them at all beyond the obvious that they're open world RPGs is hard enough to do. The Final Fantasy victory fanfare, Cloud Strife, Areith's (or whatever she's called I've not actually played FF7) death, One Winged Angel Sephiroth and people literally crying when the FF7 Remake was announced. That's iconic (not Ubisoft's ridiculous definition of the word), and things that have happened over decades that strike a note with gamers, even gamers like myself who don't care so much for the series. Even I know who Cloud Strife is, what the FF Victory Theme sounds like and more about the series. You honestly think Xenoblade can compete with that? In my opinion putting them in competition would be a bloodbath. It wouldn't even be close.

I just don't get your views. You really think that the fact that an overwhelming majority of PS/Xbox bestsellers being mature rated is trivial?

These aren't just unpopular opinions or uninformed ones. It's crazy to think that from what I know of this industry.

Like I said it's kinda fascinating.

this question is completely ridiculous and so are the answers

@martinskrtel37:
Dunno, thought my comment on Pokemon selling handhelds was reasonable.