The Developers of the game are mad about the delay tooo
This must be really hard for the developers since they put blood, sweat, and tears into this game. However, if you'd really like to help the developers, buy the game. You don't know how much they want to show their work of art to the public. They'd also like it if it sold very well, regardless of the public's opinion of Ubisoft. They made it. They'd like to see their hard work pay off. Besides, there have been worse relationships between a developer and publisher than this one.
And one last thing. These developers should already have an idea that the game and film industry is a tough place to be. The game industry in general has pretty tough working conditions. They'll be better as time passes.
When one is wounded, treating it is important. But it is also important to leave it alone while it heals :3
The Developers of the game are mad about the delay tooo
This must be really hard for the developers since they put blood, sweat, and tears into this game. However, if you'd really like to help the developers, buy the game. You don't know how much they want to show their work of art to the public. They'd also like it if it sold very well, regardless of the public's opinion of Ubisoft. They made it. They'd like to see their hard work pay off. Besides, there have been worse relationships between a developer and publisher than this one.
And one last thing. These developers should already have an idea that the game and film industry is a tough place to be. The game industry in general has pretty tough working conditions. They'll be better as time passes.
When one is wounded, treating it is important. But it is also important to leave it alone while it heals :3
Even though i am mad right now i will still buy the game, it looks Fantastic and Rayman Origins is my favorite game ever so i will have t deal with the delay and buy it later this year.(by the way i am broke right now so i probably wasnt going to buy it on release day any ways)
I'm sure Ubisoft will get along just fine if I fail to buy a game they release in seven months.
It's nice that people care about the developers, but I seriously doubt they're only getting paid a share of the profits on the sale of the game. Maybe the experience will move them to quit and form a new company where they can make the business decisions?
Everyone is so quick to blame Ubi for all this. Perhaps people should consider that Nintendo failed at launch and Ubi is just trying to make a return on the investment?
I'm not saying that is the case, but you don't need to be a CEO to realize that this issue runs deeper than Ubi simply deciding to be obnoxious.
I'm sure the people making this decision at Ubisoft think this makes sense, but it is absolutely them who are to blame for this decision and those folk who are sending them a message that what they're doing is unacceptable are absolutely right to do so. Someone else said it best in the comments thread: the best way to handle this would have been to make a poor excuse and say the game release is being delayed further to work out bugs and add additional content. People would have been angry, but nothing like what we're seeing now. This is just a textbook example of a PR f-up, which was either fuelled by stupidity or arrogance in thinking that there would be a bit of grumbling at best. Another demo to play nice - are you kidding me?
I'm tired of repeating myself, but I'll say it again: Ubisoft made a big deal about announcing this game for the Wii U, they bigged up the launch release window, they launched a demo with three playable stages, they did interviews and Nintendo seem to have given them some preferential treatment by granting this game the top slot in the disc download section of the eShop - despite missing the December release date and then they have the gall to say that the game is being delayed because they've decided to do a multi platform release and they like to release cross-platform at the same time? Are you kidding me with defending this? I cannot imagine the knots you'd have to contort yourself into to make yourself believe this is remotely okay.
I keep saying I'm not going to boycott this game, but having written this out the taste in my mouth is so sour it'll have to get some pretty stellar reviews before I'll part with any cash for it...
Nintendo under delivered on its own promises of Wii U traction. Suddenly the idea of a Wii U exclusive no longer appeals to Ubisoft, who has already released a Wii U exclusive and so has an idea of the attach rates for exclusive software and such.
And apparently I am the only one that realizes that this is not a coincidence.
I don't blame Ubisoft for being a smart business. No emotionally-charged argument for why Ubisoft should compromise its financial integrity over a couple of months delay is going to change that opinion.
Given that there are people getting so upset as to say they're going to boycott Ubisoft (and therefore essentially say they want Ubisoft to lose money and people to lose jobs) over a seven month wait for a GAME is a truly embarrassing reflection on the gaming community and gamer entitlement. Judging from that poll on the main page a full 50 per cent of Nintendo fans need to take a really good, hard look at themselves and how their selfish attitudes can affect the lives of other people.
There. I'm done repeating myself. Continue to pretend that an outrage over a couple of months delay over a toy is somehow justifiable.
I'm sure Ubisoft will get along just fine if I fail to buy a game they release in seven months.
It's nice that people care about the developers, but I seriously doubt they're only getting paid a share of the profits on the sale of the game. Maybe the experience will move them to quit and form a new company where they can make the business decisions?
Right. Because game studios don't get closed when a game undersells.
I'll introduce you to Warren Spector sometime. I'm sure he will be happy to explain why it's no fun for an entire development team to lose job security, and then their jobs.
So on the one hand a boycott is frivolous and will blow over in a few weeks/months.
On the other hand you are arguing that it will be destructive and cause the studio to close.
Judging from that poll on the main page a full 50 per cent of Nintendo fans need to take a really good, hard look at themselves and how their selfish attitudes can affect the lives of other people.
The essence of this consumer capitalist society is that the way you best communicate your displeasure with a decision made by a company is with your wallet. Calling people selfish and implying they're hurting the industry because they choose to do so is nonsense, as is trying to brush off Ubisoft's move as being either key to their financial well-being or a justifiable response to some kind of assurance made by Nintendo to them about system sales.
I agree with you that getting really angry about this does seem a bit silly (as does writing about games for a living) but you know it's a hobby, so people who enjoy it tend to take it a bit more seriously. I cannot see how someone posting on an Internet forum dedicated to the hobby wouldn't get that.
Given that there are people getting so upset as to say they're going to boycott Ubisoft (and therefore essentially say they want Ubisoft to lose money and people to lose jobs) over a seven month wait for a GAME is a truly embarrassing reflection on the gaming community and gamer entitlement.
It's nice that people care about the developers, but I seriously doubt they're only getting paid a share of the profits on the sale of the game. Maybe the experience will move them to quit and form a new company where they can make the business decisions?
Not sure, but this is something that's out of our hands. And the entertainment industry can be a tough one for workers. But this is the way I see it: people who enter the industry just want to make games. Those who truly love to make games are well aware of the difficulty. To get an idea of the usual days in the industry, this video does a neat job of conveying it. And for the indie dev life, there's always Indie Game: The movie. Try watching it sometime...if it's available in Europe.
Judging from that poll on the main page a full 50 per cent of Nintendo fans need to take a really good, hard look at themselves and how their selfish attitudes can affect the lives of other people.
The essence of this consumer capitalist society is that the way you best communicate your displeasure with a decision made by a company is with your wallet. Calling people selfish and implying they're hurting the industry because they choose to do so is nonsense, as is trying to brush off Ubisoft's move as being either key to their financial well-being or a justifiable response to some kind of assurance made by Nintendo to them about system sales.
I agree with you that getting really angry about this does seem a bit silly (as does writing about games for a living) but you know it's a hobby, so people who enjoy it tend to take it a bit more seriously. I cannot see how someone posting on an Internet forum dedicated to the hobby wouldn't get that.
I would understand the anger if Ubisoft cancelled the game in preference to other platforms. I would understand the anger if Ubi put the game's release on indefinite hold.
But to wish harm on a company for the sole reason that you need to wait half a year for the game? No, that is a childish response.
I'm not talking specifically about you here, but... Well, you've seen the reactions too. You should realize what I'm talking about.
To get an idea of the usual days in the industry, this video does a neat job of conveying it. And for the indie dev life, there's always Indie Game: The movie. Try watching it sometime...if it's available in Europe.
That was a very good video. I had read about the Team Bondi fiasco and thought it was pretty outrageous; no way I'd work under those conditions. I'll definitely look out for that film too, thanks.
Judging from that poll on the main page a full 50 per cent of Nintendo fans need to take a really good, hard look at themselves and how their selfish attitudes can affect the lives of other people.
The essence of this consumer capitalist society is that the way you best communicate your displeasure with a decision made by a company is with your wallet. Calling people selfish and implying they're hurting the industry because they choose to do so is nonsense, as is trying to brush off Ubisoft's move as being either key to their financial well-being or a justifiable response to some kind of assurance made by Nintendo to them about system sales.
I agree with you that getting really angry about this does seem a bit silly (as does writing about games for a living) but you know it's a hobby, so people who enjoy it tend to take it a bit more seriously. I cannot see how someone posting on an Internet forum dedicated to the hobby wouldn't get that.
I would understand the anger if Ubisoft cancelled the game in preference to other platforms. I would understand the anger if Ubi put the game's release on indefinite hold.
But to wish harm on a company for the sole reason that you need to wait half a year for the game? No, that is a childish response.
I'm not talking specifically about you here, but... Well, you've seen the reactions too. You should realize what I'm talking about.
Yes. Flipping out and throwing a tantrum is childish. However this:
OUTRAGE! How DARE a company try and preserve the jobs of a few hundred people. There are NINTENDO GAMERS THAT WANT IT NOW!
Honestly, the reaction of the Nintendo Dude Fraternity to this announcement is the single most embarrassing case of gamer entitlement that I have ever seen in my 25 years of being a gamer.
Congratulations kids you have made me want to sell my Wii U and 3DS just so I can avoid any possible association to you, ever.
isn't exactly the epitome of sophisticated adult behavior.
I think the real reason they're angry is that for many people it was their annual game on a Nintendo system that isn't published or developed by Nintendo.
But to wish harm on a company for the sole reason that you need to wait half a year for the game? No, that is a childish response.
I'm not talking specifically about you here, but... Well, you've seen the reactions too. You should realize what I'm talking about.
What other choice do people have though? If you feel this isn't okay then rewarding the company with a sale is the wrong response, so withholding your support is the only way to say "I'm sorry, but that's really not cool."
If the threat of a boycott gets results by forcing Ubisoft to reconsider then I'd have to say "well done people," because most of the time I'll agree these kinds of campaigns (stuff like "we didn't like the ending of Mass Effect 3") are pretty silly. In this case we have what looks like a pretty legit consumer grievance and one with a more realistic (and justifiable) chance of success.
Given that there are people getting so upset as to say they're going to boycott Ubisoft (and therefore essentially say they want Ubisoft to lose money and people to lose jobs) over a seven month wait for a GAME is a truly embarrassing reflection on the gaming community and gamer entitlement.
It feels more like a truly embarrassing reflection on Ubisoft's management to me. If gamers want to take their business elsewhere they should feel free to do so. The entertainment industry isn't a charity and gamers aren't beholden to anyone. If Ubisoft loses money on this game it's all on them.
For me, the entire thing is "are they actually serious"? Or for my own personal biases, "will they support a different cool game?" (maybe some bonus points if it's a cool game that needs more support). If not, than they are worthless hypocrites who shall be ignored and do a lot to justify anti-used game features. If you're going to complain, I at least ask you try to do something.
I would understand the anger if Ubisoft cancelled the game in preference to other platforms. I would understand the anger if Ubi put the game's release on indefinite hold.
Yes. You would understand since you're concerned about yourself and your own interests. But what about the Nintendo fans?? The fans that have empathy for Nintendo, and are now unhappy about how this makes the company looks?? The fans that were also empathetic for Ubisoft because they were huge Nintendo supporters?? The people that are just unfortunately lost in the modern world of consumerism and advertisements?? The fans who unite on this website that it's easy to be biased against anything not Nintendo?? What more were they supposed to do?? How were they supposed to react properly to this event when they lack the background knowledge to consider the possibility of a good rationale behind Ubisoft's decision?? Anger just seemed to be the natural thing to do.
But to wish harm on a company for the sole reason that you need to wait half a year for the game? No, that is a childish response.
That is a childish response. But they are angry and obviously biased from this result. It certainly doesn't help to acknowledge the users as delinquents, THEN try to justify to them of why Ubisoft is doing this. If you really want to get to people's head of why Ubisoft had done the action, give this fiasco some time to settle. THEN, make your point in a more professional manner
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