Topic: Demand Final Fantasy XV on the Wii U

On an unrelated note, the ad banner just showed an ad for Realm Reborn. Now Squeenix is spying on me >:[

They aren't for games they're interested in.
FF probably doesn't fit that category for most of the posters on this forum and that's why the game isn't coming to the Wii U. Most of the gamers here that are interested in the franchise realize that a mainline FF game hasn't been on a Nintendo console in almost 20 years, so many of us are okay with it not coming to the system

If they aren't interested in FFXV, why do they so adamantly insist it can't come to the Wii U? If someone doesn't care, they don't need to ruin it for the people who do care by freaking out at the mention of bringing this game to the Wii U. And why should fans of the series be content with the games not coming to Nintendo consoles just because it's been that way since Final Fantasy VI? That's no excuse, and technically Final Fantasy III was first released on a Nintendo console in the West 7 and a half years ago, so the argument that Square-Enix has lost interest in Nintendo for main series Final Fantasy games since Final Fantasy VI is invalid, at least in the West. Don't just let Square-Enix ignore Nintendo this time, speak up.

Uhhh... Xbox One.

I keep up on all video game news, I'm not really into movies or music, so video games are the only form of media I have.

I just find it slightly disturbing that people say things, without basis, then accuse me of making things up or not knowing what I'm talking about.

The same goes for saying Wii U isn't 8th gen. You might as well tell me that the moon is mars, or the sky is red. Seriously.

EDIT: Also, @Oragami is right. Saying FF hasn't been on Nintendo is ignoring everything SE has done on GCN, GBA, DS, Wii, and to an extent, 3DS. I could also throw in Deus Ex, and SE's lack of support doesn't seem all that lacking, In the past 10 years or so.

@Oragami Nintendo listening to fans? Ehhh not going to get my hopes up. If it comes I'll double dip but I'll make sure to buy a 4 just in case.

@Scar32 Publishers are willing to take a chance when the install base has shown that they'll buy multiplats. That's not the case with the Wii u unfortunately. And what the heck are you talking about? Nobody is accusing you of anything.

Wii U owners aren't buying multiplats because either the Wii U version came out WAY later than the original release (Arkham City, Deus Ex, etc.), or the games just aren't good. If we got a good multiplat release at the same time as every other console, it would most likely sell well.

Then why isnt the Wii U getting this game ?

I'm not trying to point the finger but there has to be some reason. Scar already pointed out that the Wii U can run the game and if you're a Squeenix fan I'm sure you are at least somewhat aware of their financial situation. I doubt they would just turn down a possibility to make money if there is truly money to be made.

@MAN1AC
Dude, all the Wii U has gotten is ports(besides ZombiU), 1st party games, and indie games. That's not an indication of anything. The only way you can see if Wii U owners will buy 3rd party 8th gen games, is if 3rd parties actually put 8th gen games out for it. Until then, you can't draw conclusions.

I'm not saying anyone is accusing me of anything in this thread specifically, but it's happened. Go look at some threads, and people think I'm making uo stuff to deny the truth. It's ridiculous, but that's off topic...

The hardware isn't an issue, the install base has nothing to do with it(3rd parties blindly supported Xbox One and PS4, with 0.0 console sales.), and the target audience argument, is a shot in the dark, at best.

EDIT: 8th gen 3rd party games were announced the same day as those consoles, hence, more pre-orders and sales. If 3rd party games are a seling point for Xbox One and PS4, they can be for Wii U, as well.

Perhaps PS4 and Xbox One wouldn't be selling as well, if they didn't have confirned 3rd party support...?

I'm as puzzled as you are. Maybe they just aren't aware of the Wii U Final Fantasy fanbase, so fans should speak up if they want FFXV on the Wii U

@MAN1AC
That's why we're saying that our attention is directed towards 3rd parties right now. If FFXV or any other 3rd party game isn't released on Wii U, people are going to ask why. If they can't provide an answer, then... I don't even know.

@Oragami How would there be a ton of Final Fantasy fans interested in a new Final Fantasy that only own and plan to own a Wii U when a Nintendo system hasn't gotten a mainline FF game since 1993? Why would Wii U owners expect the next game on the system.

The latest FF games were on PS3 and 360. The last half dozen were on Playstation platforms. If you like FF at all, you probably own one of these. You'd also probably expect the next FF on the successor of the system you played FF on, too, since those were the platforms you played the games on last.

Final Fantasy fans with Wii Us probably plan on getting a PS4/XB1 if they haven't already if they like Final Fantasy that much.

@moomoo
What about introducing a series to a new generation of gamers? Not everyone was born before the PS1.

There shouldn't be another hurdle to jump to get 3rd parties. The hurdle I'm talking about is buying a second console. I'll probably buy an Xbox One down the road, but there's no reason for games to be missing, when they don't have to be.

Also, Xbox 360 got FFXII and such, but not past games, so... Same goes for Kingdom Hearts on Xbox One. Nintendo has more KH games than Xbox consoles, so that logic literally makes 0 sense.

I love Final Fantasy, and I never plan on getting a PS4 or Xbox One. I own Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy II, Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy V, Final Fantasy VI, Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy IX, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy Tactics, Crystal Defenders, Dissidia 012 prologus Final Fantasy, and Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Ring of Fates, and I don't plan on buying a PS4 or Xbox One. That's proof that not all Final Fantasy fans are going to buy a PS4 or Xbox One. There are more like me, and that's why FFXV should be brought to the Wii U.

Perhaps, though it's entirely anecdotal and assumes that a vast number of others (enough to warrant releasing the game at least, mind you) are as bound to one console as you are. If the previous generation is any indicator, many will end up purchasing multiple systems in order to play the titles they want even if that means waiting for a price drop.

Earlier you cited the spin-off games as possible reasons why Final Fantasy XV would sell well on Wii U but it's worth considering that XV is closer to being in the same financial boat as Tomb Raider. Simply because it's a port and not a new game doesn't mean development costs have not monumentally increased since 2003. It's also worth factoring in that the Wii U version would require more effort for its port than PS4/Xbox One given the differing specs, its unique nature and features, etc.

Furthermore, Crystal Chronicles sold 1.38 million throughout the GameCube's lifespan on a console that was selling similarly to the Wii U and as an exclusive title. Presumably a main-series title is more appealing to the masses than Crystal Chronicles but saying that is pure speculation (and it assumes a simultaneous release for achieving optimal results).

Square Enix considered Tomb Raider to be a significant failure after selling 3.4 million physical units between three devices in one month. Executives there expected that it could sell nearly double that but it disappointed. Obviously the costs of XV and Tomb Raider are not going to be congruent but XV has been in development for quite some time and it's a similar scale AAA project with the same high-end, system touting features. And true, estimates won't necessarily be as high given the company has probably learned from that predicament and the Xbox One/PlayStation 4 are not as established yet as their last-gen counterparts. However, some would argue it to be a larger production than Tomb Raider was.

To make matters riskier, the Wii U is on the verse of being outsold by, at the very least, the PS4 based on current figures and Nintendo's own sales projections. Nintendo's strategy with those estimates is likely to promise little and over-deliver, but Square Enix as a financially struggling entity is likely to take that data at face value. The Xbox and PlayStation brands also have more current statistics to work with when it comes to estimating sales compared to the last main series Final Fantasy game on a Nintendo console.

Maybe you can prove that XV on Wii U is worth investing in for Square Enix by uniting online supporters. By the time you're able to gather a sufficient number of fans for this cause, and assuming Square Enix is 100% prepared to meet the demands of fans monetarily unproven, development will likely be coming to an end or the game will have released, however. I would personally recommend gathering around 1,000,000 fans before 2015 and proving them all to be paying customers if you're going this route. It is widely considered a fact by most corporations that the number of those who ask for a product will decrease when it actually becomes time to pay.

XV is far along enough in development that starting up a Wii U version would either delay the game for all consoles (ala Final Fantasy XIII getting ported to the 360) or cause it to potentially suffer from the same sales-related issues as Batman and the other ports. Considering the financial scale of the game, I'm guessing Square Enix does not want to risk squandering its time, money, and resources.

I believe the most any party here can prove is that releasing Final Fantasy XV on Wii U is a risky proposition. I'm not even convinced that Square Enix will meet its sales targets for the Xbox One and PS4 versions but I'm not seeing the need to multiply the potential devastation either.

@Ark
They're aren't even coding for a specific console. If you watch the interview I posted a page or back, in this thread, they're using DX11 to develop the game, but not necessarily as a porting method. They're porting based on specs.

If SE has invested a hypothetical $60 million, it would make sense to port to Wii U for $5 million. Porting doesn't cost that much.
In otherwords, the more they spend on making this game, the more likely a port will actually happen.

Still, there's probably about 1.5-2.5 years until this game comes out. Things could change drastically between then and now. If Wii U has 15-20 million owners by then, a cheap and relatively quick port would be a no brainer.

EDIT: This is basically what happened to PS2. Ever since Xbox has been around, everything has been ported from that. PS3's cell processor made it so that no they didn't aim for it as a benchmark, like the Xbox and Xbox 360. Even now, games are still being built around Xbox One, because Sony didn't have their final build of hardware, until months before it came out. This means that Xbox One has had its specs sorted out for far longer than Sony did. This is why games will continue to be built around Xbox, for another generation. Sony IPs and a few exclusives will be the only games built from the ground up, for it. This is also why Wii U's specs don't matter as much, because it only has to keep up with a standard that isn't set with the highest spec machine. If every game was built around PS4, buying one would be a no brainer, but Sony has made that next to impossible with the cell and being late with their spec sheet for developers.

Alot of these next gen engines aren't even fully capable of taking advantage of these machines. Sony has built it's hardware beyond anything most would be willing to support, much like the Atari Jaguar, which got pushed away by 5th gen Sega, Sony, and Nintendo.

EDIT2: I know I said that this game wasn't built around a specific console, which it isn't, but it makes sense that they're building it closer to Xbox One, because as I said, Microsoft has probably had their specs set in stone and more accessible, for more time than Sony has.

Considering that it will be out for the PS4 and Xbox One, that's not going to happen.

Xbox One and PS4 getting FFXV, doesn't justify its absence on Wii U.

Is this really that hard to understand? Come on guys.

Considering the fact that these consoles are more powerful than the Wii U, I say it does. Ports rarely work.

Not to mention the lack of demand.

The ports weren't even optimized. That shows how much you know. No one even fully understands the specs.

As for demand, no one knows that.

I'm getting pretty tired of this BS... So I'm abandoning the thread.