Quite honestly this is why I don't post on this site much anymore. Unless you love Nintendo and are willing to bash the other consoles you get nowhere.
Quite honestly you're witnessing a guy argue against several other people, Nintendo fans, who defend that the PS+ is a good service at a fair price. He's getting nowhere because he is willing to bash Sony, not the other way around.
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I didn't read all the back and forth but @dumedum is kinda right but people who pay for memberships, or subscriptions or for special access can't really see what he is/was saying. I didn't read much beyond his first comment and discussion back and forth. Cash flow is king in business and these memberships are the golden ticket so to speak for companies like Microsoft and Sony. The companies get a steady cash flow (example: $5.00 month per lets just say 5 million consumers is $25 million) and consumers, sorry "members," get some free games or sales on games they weren't going to buy previously. Win win for all I guess.
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Quite honestly this is why I don't post on this site much anymore. Unless you love Nintendo and are willing to bash the other consoles you get nowhere.
Quite honestly you're witnessing a guy argue against several other people, Nintendo fans, who defend that the PS+ is a good service at a fair price. He's getting nowhere because he is willing to bash Sony, not the other way around.
PS+ really depends on the type of gamer you are, for me it would be a waste of money. I buy all my games when they launch or as soon as possible. I dislike how PS4 would force me to pay for it to play online, which is why I think they should add a lower tier just for multiplayer. But I personally don't have a PS4, so I am not paying for PS+ lol
PS+ is not a scam, it just may not be for you personally
I don't think any subscribed is under the illusion otherwise. We're all aware that we're exchanging currency for a service that we feel is valuable. I save money by being a PS+ member, and that takes into account impulse buys on discounted games.
This is true for any paid membership. A Costco membership isn't a scam, because hot damn, those prices are off the hook. Avid golfers save money on their hobby by being members at their country club. People who work out regularly save money by buying a gym membership. A bus pass is definitely worthwhile to someone who doesn't own a vehicle. But there's never this illusion that you're getting something for free. It's a paid service, but one that has value to the consumer.
I dabble in revenue management at my office, and (at least I've read) it takes something silly like 6x as much money/resources to invest in a new client than to retain an old one. That's why every company loves memberships so much. It's the easiest and most effective way to retain a client. When retention is so easy and nets a clean profit, you can afford to toss out discounts for loyalty left and right like it's going out of style. That's good for the company and good for the consumer. There's no loser.
As someone who will likely get a PS4 next year, I don't plan on becoming a PS+ member. First and foremost, I don't really play online a lot (but still like to have that possibility, so the requirement for online play really does suck).
Secondly, the games you get every month - that sounds really good for a lot of gamers, but doesn't really fit with how I play. I would rather dedicate the subscription money towards actually purchasing the games I want to play, instead of selecting from a two-game list every month. I get a feeling that I really wouldn't end up playing the majority of games they offer, so that wouldn't be money well spent (yes, because let's face it - those games aren't "free"). Plus, the fact that you never get to really own those games really rubs me the wrong way.
Like I said, I can see how this service can be quite attractive to a lot of people; it just doesn't seem like the kind of fixed expenditure I want to have.
But there's never this illusion that you're getting something for free.
I agree with your post, except for this. I constantly see people referring to the "free" games they're getting; they're definitely not free. That's kind of a pet peeve of mine, truth be told.
@ricklongo: You don't get to choose from a list they just give you two free games a month for example this month they have Injustice: Gods Among Us and Secret Ponchos. The thing is though you do also get discounts towards digital games as well.
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@ricklongo: You don't get to choose from a list they just give you two free games a month for example this month they have Injustice: Gods Among Us and Secret Ponchos. The thing is though you do also get discounts towards digital games as well.
I know, perhaps I worded that wrong. My point is that it's a fixed list, one that usually won't have the exact games I want to play (yeah, I tend to be very picky on what I actually play; I guess it's a result of having limited time for gaming).
But there's never this illusion that you're getting something for free.
I agree with your post, except for this. I constantly see people referring to the "free" games they're getting; they're definitely not free. That's kind of a pet peeve of mine, truth be told.
They're called free games because "free" is easier to say than "no charge at point of sale" every time. Nobody on Netflix thinks they're watching movies for free either, but you might hear someone say "I can freely watch all these movies."
So Anakin kneels before Monster Mash and pledges his loyalty to the graveyard smash.
I don't think any subscribed is under the illusion otherwise. We're all aware that we're exchanging currency for a service that we feel is valuable. I save money by being a PS+ member, and that takes into account impulse buys on discounted games.
This is true for any paid membership. A Costco membership isn't a scam, because hot damn, those prices are off the hook. Avid golfers save money on their hobby by being members at their country club. People who work out regularly save money by buying a gym membership. A bus pass is definitely worthwhile to someone who doesn't own a vehicle. But there's never this illusion that you're getting something for free. It's a paid service, but one that has value to the consumer.
I dabble in revenue management at my office, and (at least I've read) it takes something silly like 6x as much money/resources to invest in a new client than to retain an old one. That's why every company loves memberships so much. It's the easiest and most effective way to retain a client. When retention is so easy and nets a clean profit, you can afford to toss out discounts for loyalty left and right like it's going out of style. That's good for the company and good for the consumer. There's no loser.
If people think its valuable than great, but not everyone does and that should be ok too. If your bonus of being a member/subscriber is games you didn’t really care about in the first place well then whoopty doo.
Costco is the "gold standard" for membership schemes (and I don't necessarily mean scheme in the negative sense.) I know how important "memberships" are to the company as a whole and how loyal it makes its customers. The psychological effects that Costco does are amazing. People flipping love Costco. That warehouse feeling, the always long lines, the special unique packaging and sizes/quantities that you can only get at Costco, the limited stock of new items, etc. Also, not everything is as great of a price as it may seem. I know, my wife is one of those who will shop at many different stores to get the absolute best price and Costco is not always it, no matter how much “in bulk” you buy. But hey, I get the benefit of having a crap load to toilet paper at the house. You never want to run out, the runs can happen at any moment.
Yeah, I know how hard it is to get a new customer in comparison to retaining old ones and memberships are one of the best ways to do it, if not the best. Who doesn’t have memberships nowadays? Come to think of it, Nintendo should probably jump on the bandwagon ASAP.
As someone who will likely get a PS4 next year, I don't plan on becoming a PS+ member. First and foremost, I don't really play online a lot (but still like to have that possibility, so the requirement for online play really does suck).
Secondly, the games you get every month - that sounds really good for a lot of gamers, but doesn't really fit with how I play. I would rather dedicate the subscription money towards actually purchasing the games I want to play, instead of selecting from a two-game list every month. I get a feeling that I really wouldn't end up playing the majority of games they offer, so that wouldn't be money well spent (yes, because let's face it - those games aren't "free"). Plus, the fact that you never get to really own those games really rubs me the wrong way.
Like I said, I can see how this service can be quite attractive to a lot of people; it just doesn't seem like the kind of fixed expenditure I want to have.
Nice to see how the conversation became so much more intelligent . Great post. Also @Ryno.
As someone who will likely get a PS4 next year, I don't plan on becoming a PS+ member. First and foremost, I don't really play online a lot (but still like to have that possibility, so the requirement for online play really does suck).
Secondly, the games you get every month - that sounds really good for a lot of gamers, but doesn't really fit with how I play. I would rather dedicate the subscription money towards actually purchasing the games I want to play, instead of selecting from a two-game list every month. I get a feeling that I really wouldn't end up playing the majority of games they offer, so that wouldn't be money well spent (yes, because let's face it - those games aren't "free"). Plus, the fact that you never get to really own those games really rubs me the wrong way.
Like I said, I can see how this service can be quite attractive to a lot of people; it just doesn't seem like the kind of fixed expenditure I want to have.
Nice to see how the conversation became so much more intelligent . Great post. Also @Ryno.
I like how anyone who doesn't agree with your views isn't intelligent but those who do are. So because I enjoy PS+ and get my money's worth I must be dumb as a brick according to you huh?
Maybe he thinks being called a lunatic or an idiot doesn't sound very intelligent or even referencing "dum" in his user name (Source: page 2) . Disagreements are great and are part of human nature, but name calling is childish.
Nice to see how the conversation became so much more intelligent . Great post. Also @Ryno.
Something bugs me about your argument. Why is it only "intelligent" when someone says something you agree with? I call that complete hypocrisy.
I don't have one myself. I cannot say for sure if it is a good deal or not. However, I assume you don't own one either. If that's the case, how can you honestly make a strong argument against a service you probably didn't use? Do note that this is an assumption.
Based on what I hear from most other PS4 owners, it's a pretty good deal. I get most of the "data" from PushSquare users, who I am fairly confident own a PS4, 3 or Vita. So I can assume that it has good perks.
To address the original question, no one really "needs" a service like this, but it may improve your system's functionality. If you don't want any of the perks, then it's probably not for you.
If you own more than one out of PS3, Vita and PS4 PS+ is definitely a good deal for the price if you buy a lot of indie/aaa games, it has nothing to with being slaves and delusional/loyal and influenced and more too do with saving cash.
Come to think of it, Nintendo should probably jump on the bandwagon ASAP.
They really should. Club Nintendo is cool, but really doesn't cut it. Nobody is going to stay in the Nintendo ecosystem out of fear of letting go of their CN membership.
So Anakin kneels before Monster Mash and pledges his loyalty to the graveyard smash.
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