Topic: Why is NOA going back to their old ways on making Nintendo seem like a baby console?

I'm generally against censorship.

Still, if there's one hill that I'm absolutely not going to die on, it's the sexualization of minors. If anything, there's far too much that the ESRB will let slide and let's not forget that Nintendo are giving the thumbs up to two other skimpy outfit sets here, in spite of refusing one.

@Matt_Barber I honestly only wish Nintendo was more consistent with disallowing things that sexualize minors. What they've done for specific cases is good- like getting rid of child marriage in Fire Emblem Engage- but I just wish they cracked down on it harder.

@Nancyboy
Again we are discussing fictional characters not real ones.

@GameOtaku Yeah, this disscusion dosen't have sense.

It's pretty clear that a lot of people have huge trouble separating reality from fiction here. What's happening here feels more like psychological projection... where people project their own feelings or issues onto others instead of addressing them directly. Maybe it’s just easier to frame the problem as a societal risk rather than confront personal discomfort or biases.

It's not first time in gaming history. We've seen similar instances of moral panic before, such as debates over violence and brutality in games. Annnd now?

It seems that the average adult Western gamer nowadays nevertheless needs a whole team from the DEI behind game production and specialists in political and moral correctness, because alone they are not able to decide what is suitable for them and what is not, and God forbid they should be offended by it. It's good that respectful titles that don't try to offend anyone like Concord and Dragon Age: The Veilguard are being released

It probably won't be long before every fan of anime and japanese games in western world will be called a pedo, incel, misogonist, weirdo, creep etc. by default seeing the current trends of outraged people on the internet.

@GameOtaku Makes 0 difference. Fictional or real, the only people who want to see that are people who are attracted to underaged human beings. I genuinely don't get how you people can't get that through your heads.

@Kuroyumu You're trying to make this into a situation where people are "projecting," or are "Hyper sensitive snowflakes," when in reality you're doing that same exact thing, are you not? By getting upset with this game not being allowed on a Nintendo platform, and by mentioning "political and moral correctness." I know the type of person that you are. You're the type that keeps the "culture war" going. The type that misunderstands why DEIs are there in the first place, and probably the type that complains about "Woke" being in their video games.

This situation isn't about not being able to separate fiction or reality. Everyone here knows that these characters aren't real teenage girls. The issue is that it doesn't matter if they're real or not. It's still enabling pedophiles. It's still something that only people who are attracted to underaged girls would like to see.

If you walked up to a random person in real life and recommended them an anime that sexualizes minors, most likely they will find it offputting. Not because they're a "snowflake," but because it isn't normal. I have talked to various people I've met in real life about shows like "Rising of the Shield Hero," and they would always come back with how gross it is that the show sexualizes little girls. I am inclined to agree with them as well, as that's one of the main reasons that stopped me from watching the rest of that anime. The moment they started doing that, they lost me.

It isn't normal for a person to find minors attractive or to want to stare at a 13 year old in a revealing bathing suit, fictional or no. When developers or creators put that into their work, it's usually showcasing who they are as people- or what type of audience they're attempting to cater towards in the first place. Neither of those groups of people being great human beings.

It's pretty clear that you're once again attacking strawmen here. Fiction and media are not some magical fantasy realm that exists completely outside of the real world without having any effect on it. Rather, ideas in fiction feed on ideas, ideologies, and behaviour in real life; this has been well known and documented at least since the 18th century and "The Sorrows of Young Werther", if not earlier.

So, sexist depictions of women in fiction feed sexist ideas and behaviour in real life (which in turn is reflected in fiction). Again, this kind of feedback loop is well documented and has been studied comprehensively. If you ignore this point and keep on making strawman arguments, like blaming "psychological projection" for why people are critical of objectification/sexualisation of women and girls in media, you're either being disingenuous or quite naive.

You do realise that there are a loads of manga and anime and Japanese games that aren't sexist and don't include sexualised imagery of teenage girls? And obviously there are no "outraged people" criticising these manga/anime/games or their fans, so again you're strawmanning here.

Philosophy and Sociology 101 classes are dangerous things when taken in isolation.

@VoidofLight
The dlc is that of cute swimsuits. If you see it as sexy for kids to wear them instead of cute then that’s your view. (Especially since they aren’t children. They are adults)

@GameOtaku Even so, this topic branched out from the original topic. More examples were brought up of Nintendo removing content from western releases or not allowing specific content on their platform in the west.

As for one of the games not allowed on their platform, it does sexualize teenagers from what I've heard.

@VoidofLight
And it’s rated T. So it’s appropriate given its target audience. Or do we forget when we were teens?

@GameOtaku Even if it's rated T, adults play these games too. It's content that enables adult men who perv on teenage girls to have a source to do that.

This is like arguing that it's okay that Fire Emblem Engage let you marry literal child characters because it was a T rated game- when adults still play it, and Fire Emblem has a sizable adult audience.

@VoidofLight
It does but in an environment they can. I’m not saying that it’s not great but better in a virtual safe space than irl. Hate to break it to you but they can also perv out on tame child friendly content as well so how does that prevent the problem? Again for children the adults in their lives should step up and be parents and police their children’s gaming. For adults we need to stop blaming everything on something else and take responsibility for our actions and teach kids the difference in reality and the digital worlds.

@GameOtaku Or maybe adults can stop sexualizing literal underaged characters? It's really simple to just not put a teenager in a revealing outfit. I avoid doing it all the time in my character designs as a grown adult.

@VoidofLight
Yeah but that’s you. Not everyone feels that way. And no the Goddesses and Goddess Candidates in Neptunia are over 18. It’s been confirmed over and over. Do you draw characters on a beach with clothes under their swimsuits?

They could just put the dlc behind a get parental permission to buy………oh wait……they already have that in place! Or they could have it done similarly to the SNK collection on switch where DLC was rated M to add content that would’ve bumped it up to the M rating otherwise. Again a child would have to get parental consent to get access. So again it falls on parents and caregivers.

Couldn't agree more with some here like @Kuroyumu and @GameOtaku and disagree with others: first and foremost, fiction is fiction, reality is reality.
It's fundamental to distinguish between the two beyond the discussion at hand and even if fiction can and does influence behavior in real life it all depends on a person's morality (Clockwork Orange immediately comes to mind in that sense when the protagonist reads the Bible while in jail and imagines himself as the people committing violence like those flogging Christ instead of empathizing with the latter as hopefully most would) and it's up to parents to help their children develop that along with monitoring what they play, watch etc., but even putting that aside the same arguments some made here can and have been applied to violence, LGBTQ+ etc. in videogames, anime and so on - do we really want to see again (self-)censorship when it comes to those as well?
Because that's what I feel people unintentionally or intentionally as long as it's in their favor keep on failing to see, as I've said countless times before if we let these mechanisms continue and increase all it takes is a change at top and you'll see also those aspects censored just like it used to be back in the day - as grateful as I am to those who brought games, anime etc. to Italy, the US and so on even with those compromises back in the day instead of not bringing them at all, I'd like to see less and less of those no matter if related to sexuality, violence or whatever else instead of more and more!

People need to keep their high ground at home and not try to think it's for everyone but themselves. These are the very same people we call Bible Thumpers but when you look at their own life choices it's anything but real values. One should just stop moralizing for others not all cultures think or do alike in the context of their culture values. There are already Laws prohibiting such indecent Acts already and one should leave for those to deal with that stuff. As to how and what Nintendo and the Developers do that is in their frame work of business model and what fits their norms. Censorship is one of those things that is used for censoring speech they don't like rather then have a Honest Open conversation but if you try that those wanting to enforce their delusional morals don't want to talk about it because they will out themselves. It goes like this "Do as I say but not as I do" such people have no redeeming value to decide how others decide what is good or bad within the context of the Laws they live in. When people starting using Fiction as reality they clearly have lost touch with reality itself. Trying to show them their error does nothing but fuel their delusions and false ambition that they are the world's savior.

I didn't see that comment, but it was only a matter of time before someone's comment got deleted. I'm surprised the whole thread wasn't locked earlier than this tbh. I feel sorry for the mods when heated controversial topics like this pop up which border a little too much into sensitive real life topics. Censorship versus content moderation is an interesting discussion but people have strong opinions.