@Bolt_Strike My personal excitement for the game has been gradually deteriorating over time. I'm definitely not getting it at launch now because it comes out at the same time as Octopath so it's a matter of whether it ends up looking good enough for me to still pick it up later on after the initial hype. I was excited for it at one point but it's just a maybe for me at the moment.
Right? I was so hyped for this game at first, but the terrible marketing for this game has sapped my excitement and made me concerned about the game.
We got a fairly long Treehouse segment showing the MP4 gameplay early on, so I'm not feeling completely in the dark. Sure, we only got to see the bike every recently, and that's thrown some into a loop about it, but that appears to me to be a relatively addition to a game built on previously established core elements.
Oh that Treehouse segment was such a nothingburger because they were only showing those curated segments from the earlier trailers that tell us basically nothing about the game. We didn't need to see that section in depth, it's typical Metroid gameplay we've seen over and over. The bike segment is what needed the Treehouse, not the boring samey tutorial and early game areas. We need details on what's new and improved in this game, not what we've already known about Metroid Prime for 20 years. Show us how the bike works. Show us some things we can do with the psychic abilities. Show us some new and returning abilities Samus has. Those are the elements of the game that need the marketing the most and those are the parts they seem to be deliberately avoiding.
Going back to Dread, that game didn't get its own Direct either and I don't think it particularly needs one. It's not like there's a high profile and camera friendly director like Sakurai and they've always been games best approached with an element of mystery about them.
They at least opened their mouth for Dread with the Dread Reports and more detailed trailers that actually revealed the new abilities you could use in the game. Prime 4 doing something similar would be acceptable, but they could really use something like that in a Direct for better visibility.
Let's also not forget that Prime Remastered was just dropped on the same day, and it seems to have been popular enough..
Prime Remastered was a remaster and most of the people that bought it knew exactly what they were getting. Not the case with a new entry. Also, I don't think Prime Remastered's level of "success" is going to be sufficient, especially when this is a game that had a full restart. Nintendo is likely going to want it to sell higher than usual to recoup the losses from the restart. I would guess it needs to reach around the 5 million mark, and any chances it had of doing that are gone now with how Nintendo has utterly mismanaged the marketing.
Finally, there's always the question mark over whether a game that's been delayed for so long is going to be any good or not. Sometimes you'll get a Diablo III out of it and sometimes you'll get a Duke Nukem Forever, with plenty in between. I think I can wait a bit longer to see the reviews come in, myself.
If it's not that's also an ill omen because what are the chances they'll want to make a Prime 5 if Prime 4 ends up going through all of this chaos and ends up with weak sales?
@Bolt_Strike That's the thing. If the game's troubled development has led to something that's sub par, it'll be pretty obvious after the release why it didn't get that much of a marketing push.
I'm obviously hoping for better than that though, and that's why I'd like to hold up some alternatives to Nintendo just not caring about it. With both Dread and Prime Remastered getting relatively low-key marketing, there's a chance that they think that that's all that it needs, and there is a bit of a pattern of dropping Metroid games without a lot of explanation in the past, so they might just be doing the same again. Even most of their remasters get a lot more of that than Prime did, after all.
That said, I'd also like to see some follow-up on the bike mechanics prior to launch. It might just be something that has to wait until the games in between have made it to market and probably won't take the form of a Direct that covers other new mechanics too.
@Matt_Barber Okay if this game still ends up mediocre after an entire restart, then I'm even more worried about Prime's future. If you have two different concepts for this game and neither of them are winners then I think you can conclude that Nintendo simply has no idea what to do with this series. How much worse was the original concept for Prime 4 that they thought this was better? Again, I'd be very worried that we don't get a Prime 5. Goddamnit why is it this painful to be a Metroid Prime fan?
@Bolt_Strike Being a Metroid Prime fan has been rather hard work since 2009, it has to be said.
Sure, things took a bit of an upturn in 2023 when we got a superb remaster and the year after when we finally saw a glimpse of the new game. Still, that's a lot of years of nothing in between to temper the enthusiasm for what's to come.
All I know is that I don't really take interest in Prime 4. The marketing hasn't given me a reason to care for the series at all. Dread got me to try the 2D games, but Prime 4 just hasn't sold me at all in the slightest.
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As someone very much on the fence, they've not given me a single reason yet to try Prime 4 when I already have Prime 1 Remastered, other than "it's new!". It's a bizarre marketing strategy to seemingly intentionally sabotage a game release in this way. Or maybe I'm out of touch and they're marketing it somewhere where I don't see it..? Maybe TikTok or something?
@Turbotendo ... ok? I don't think Switch 2 is the platform for any of those dreams and wishes. Also tech specs in isolation don't make me excited for a game.
@Turbotendo if NSO Wii is coming so soon after GameCube classics then we might aswell assume Wii U classics are coming with the Service.
What games will they release on NSO Wii
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario Galaxy 2
LoZ Skyward sword
Donkey Kong country returns
Pikmin 1
Pikmin 2
Kirby’s return to dreamland maybe even monkey ball banana blitz
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@OmnitronVariant I'm confused by the lack of Metroid marketing. I'm sure there will be a lot in late November, but I really expected a direct this week or earlier.
Perhaps this is why Nintendo doesn't normally pack in so many releases close together like they are doing right now — hard to give them all time without stepping on each other's ad space.
@FishyS Part of me wonders if the game just might not bring enough new stuff to warrant them doing an individual game Direct but on the other hand they still did one for Mario Kart World when they had basically nothing to show.
@BenAV I'd seriously have to wonder how they have not much new stuff to show when it's been nearly 20 years from the last one and the industry (and especially Nintendo) has changed significantly since the last game. There have to be new upgrades to come up with, they could come up with new gameplay modes (I'd love a sidequest system and a boss rush mode for example), there could be new QoL features. Again, a massive fumble if they have little new. How can you have not much to show after all of this time?
@1UP_MARIO I hope they aren't already planning a Wii NSO tier! I mean, I love my Wii, and I guess it is considered old now... But I feel like the current lineups need to be filled out more before they add new set of games.
@CaleBoi25 totally agree. We just got GameCube and we all thought it will come in 2016 with the Wii u eshop as gamecube could natively run on it. I feel they will save Wii for 2033 or the next system.
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I kind of wonder if Nintendo's waiting for the next phase of GTA6 marketing to pass through before the next Prime 4 news happens. Take Two's earnings call is next week (November 6th) so there might be something about GTA6 before or shortly after then.
Wii emulation isn't much more technically demanding than GameCube. If any device can do one, it can usually manage both, so I'd be fairly confident that the Switch 2 could. They might need to add a new performance mode that ups the CPU clock a bit, but that's about it.
You'd obviously need a new controller, but I'm sure that Nintendo would happily sell us a Wiimote and sensor bar package for a hundred bucks or so when the time comes.
I've a feeling that there'll be at least a couple of years of milking the GameCube first though, as well as the Virtual Boy. DS and 3DS emulation could also be a thing at some point. I'd think that Wii U is the only older system that'd definitely need to wait until the Switch 3 though.
I don't think Wii NSO is imminent but it may not be super far away either. We just got GC and I think they'll want to drip feed those titles over several years before adding a system like DS or Wii. I would guess Wii is either late this gen or early next gen assuming NSO continues into next gen (which is a whole discussion in and of itself because we don't know if next gen will be a Switch 3 or if they'll come up with something new that might necessitate a completely new subscription service).
I guess a Metroid Prime 4 direct next week is technically possible. We got a Xenoblade 3 direct two days before Three Hopes in 2022. Nintendo publishes its earnings on 11/4 though. I also wonder if the amiibo will launch on 11/6 without a trailer.
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