@JaxonH Haha, yeah, hunting solo in a lobby that should be scaled for 2 players. BUT, like I said, the same monster in the 1-star quests for the same monster, in the same 2 player scaled lobby went down in like 1/4 the time. Didn't even feel like a slog, just a bit slower than normal - in a 2p scaled lobby. So why did expedition seem to have FAR more hitpoints in 2p lobby than 1star did in the 2p lobby? It "felt" scaled for 4p. Maybe it was. Or maybe like you said it was somehow HR....but it shouldn't be, I haven't unlocked that through even village (only up to 5-star in village, I haven't been playing super often)
Super weird. If you get a chance to try it, I'd be curious what you see. Join a 2p lobby, do an expedition, try to solo monsters and see how slow they go down relative to normal. It's just weird. It was so absolutely bad, I was ready to give up on the very idea of 2 player Rise just after starting it. It was just awful. And then the proper "star" quests proved it's not horrible at all. But, man, expedition was just horrible. I went from thinking "hey I'm finally getting decent at MH" to "OMG I can't play this game at all!!" Redeemed, thankfully, but doing star quests and realizing I can solo in 2p lobbies just fine after all, so I don't suck as bad as it seemed. But I really want to figure out what the heck was with those expeditions!
@NEStalgia
Well, I'm not sure why you'd judge the game based on 2P Hub Quests solo anyways. If you're hunting solo, do 1P Hub Quests, or hunt with someone who will actually help you if you do 2P.
There's also a ton of variables such as, did someone eat for Felyne Weakener which lowers a monster's HP? Was the monster weak to an element you were using but the other not? Was one monster a gold crown large size that's larger with more HP and the other was a gold crown small size that's smaller with less HP? Etc.
Just play the game normally and you'll be fine.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
So, been playing World on the TV with Rise on Switch in handheld mode in my lap, going back and forth, and ya... movement speed in Rise is straight up Street Fighter II Turbo Mode compared to World. I can walk with my Switch Axe drawn in Rise as fast as I can run with my weapon sheathed in World. It’s that big of a difference. Not in Sword Mode, obviously. That’s super slow. But in Axe Mode? Ya. And running with weapon sheathed in Rise? Dear goodness, it feels like I’m playing a 2X speed mod of World. I never noticed until now, going back, and comparing in hindsight. That’s a major reason of what’s making it feel more clunky.
That and certain move sets and attacks missing. For Switch Axe in Sword Mode, if you use the A button to do the triple sword slash, which can either be followed up with A for the jumping double slash that charges the gage more, or ZR which morphs back into axe mode, the ZR in Rise would do a double swing with the axe as you morph. But in World, it’s a single swing. Just little things like that I’m trying to adapt to. Aside from the obvious thins such as no Invincible Gambit, which is a pretty major adjustment.
I do like it though. This may sound like I’m kind of bashing World, but I’m most definitely not. It does feel slow by comparison but that is a deliberate feel and it makes the game feel a bit more old school, which I like. Obviously I like how Rise does it and I hope they continue with the movement speed of the most recent entry going forward, but it does feel kind of nostalgic coming back to the slower paced entries of years past. It feels like World may be the last MH game with that slower, more methodical feel.
@TeeJay
Not sure if you’re down to do every Optional and Assigned and Event quest in the game, but if you are, drop on in. Not even sure I have you on my Steam friend list. It’s ActionJaxonH if you want to add me. I’ve got a friends only session open now.
Psalms 22:16 (1,000 yrs before Christ)
They pierced My hands and feet
Isaiah 53:5 (700 yrs before Christ)
He was pierced for our transgressions
Booted up Generations Ultimate and did a solo quest for double Zamtrios. A few things I noticed off the bat on coming back after playing Rise and World for so long:
Got dumped in the middle of the area with no map, and no free items. I'd totally forgotten that was a thing!
Had to drink a hot drink. Can't say I missed them but it feels strangely nostalgic to have to do so again.
Paintballs! Totally forgot those were a thing too.
Both Zamtrios appeared in the same area and, it's really funny how decidedly NOT a good thing that is in this game. No tactical advantage whatsoever. Just chaos. Good thing I had dung bombs on all my registered item sets. Good going, past me.
Also, something that immediately struck me before even starting a quest was that I STILL have unfinished village quests. In Rise I've been trying to milk every last drop of content I could and still feeling like there could have been more and yet here, there's SO much content that I apparently couldn't be bothered finishing them all. That's the difference between Ultimate versions and base content I guess.
Also can I just say how much I miss the way the S&S used to be? With the chaos oil and all that. What an amazing weapon.
I fired up MHGU recently also and Hunted a Silver Rathalos. Paintballs? Almost forgot what those were like. Had to paintball every time the monster went to a new area so I didn't lose him. Had to use the blimp once and a psychoserum. And it dumped me in the middle of the map with no supplies. Had to use farcaster to grab the map from base camp. Then I remember seeing supply drops you can order! Completely forgot about those. And the Valstrax comet thingies all over the ground you harvest. Burned husks or something? Can't remember what they're for.
And ya, there's sooooo many Quests I haven't done. Back then, Quests were more tedious and a lot more gathering and small monster Quests, and just alot more Quests in general. I think the difference in Rise is, the moment to moment gameplay is so good, I want to do every quest. And didn't stop playing until I did. And ironically, I got 450 hrs in Rise when I only got 400 in MHGU (was spread across MHXX Switch, MHXX on 3DS with translation patch and MHGU on Switch on 3 different systems). The only MH I ever did every quest for before Rise was my first MH game, which was MH3U with a massive 600 hr save file.
I want to go back and do all those MHGU Quests, but I also want to do that for World.
@JaxonH Man I really wish I had got the game when it was on sale. it sounds like you have just way to much to do, Now the odds of it going on sale after MH rise blowing up is low.
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@JaxonH MMM man, I know it is but I'm not trying to buy any games After E3 and I have left over money of the E shop, I would like to be on sale digitally but Lord I might not be able to help myself.
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I think i'm pretty good at monster hunter, avoiding, attacking, But when it comes to mix sets, and armor sets for weapons, I'm almost a deer in headlights, I think i'm getting better, but when it comes to armor sets what do I prioritize? Defense, Skills? Element Defense? and then when it comes to making armor sets for weapons, I need more slots for a gem, So I need another Armor set, but then this armor sets Defense sucks, But then when it comes to mix sets, what are the mix sets for? are they the same as weapon sets? I just suck at making sets at this game, maybe its bc I never really looked at a tutorial for any of this stuff, but is there even one?
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@Snatcher
Whatever you want. That’s the beauty of it. Are you struggling with carting? If so, then maybe defense, sure. But if not, then prioritize something else.
I’m not sure what you mean by “weapon set”. There is no weapon sets I’m aware of. You have one total set:
Weapon
Armor Head
Armor Arms
Armor Torso
Armor Waist
Armor Legs
Talisman
And whatever decorations you can slot into the above. A mixed set it just a different mixture of the above to obtain the best possible skill combination.
For example, look at Almudron’s Armor. It comes with
Not bad, right? With a talisman, and decorations in whatever slots you have in your weapon, armor and talisman, you could probably put together a pretty decent set.
But what if you were to mix some of the weaker armor pieces (and I don’t mean weaker with respect to defense, I mean weaker with respect to how many skill points it provides and what slots it provides), maybe it’s possible you could get an even better combination of even more skills.
My mixed set I’m wearing atm is as follows (and I have TONS of different sets because I prioritize different skills depending on which weapon I use- if it’s Switch Axe or Charge Blade I want Rapid Morph, for example, but if it’s any other weapon then Rapid morph is a complete waste, so I swap out for different armor pieces that give me points towards other skills). Anyways, here it is
Weapon (Any Switch Axe)
Almudron Helm S
Almudron Mail S
Almudron Vambraces S
Tigrex Coil S
Damascus Greaves
Absolute Petalace
Fatal Tempest Talisman
And if my weapon has extra slots I gem in whatever else I can.
If I’m using Gunlance though I prioritize Artillery, Razor Sharp and Constitution. If I’m using Dual Blades or Insect Glaive I prioritize Power Prolonger, Constitution and Stamina Surge. If I’m using Long Sword I prioritize focus and Wirebug Whisperer. If I’m using Hunting Horn I prioritize Horn Maestro (and if it’s a horn that has Earplugs L as a song, I don’t gem in earplugs because I can already do that with my song, and instead go for something else).
In general though, these are the skills I favor for any set:
I can never get all of them on one set, so which ones I go for depends on what I’m able to do. Maybe the default armor set already comes with two of those, and two other skills I don’t like. So maybe I swap the armor pieces with skill points in the other skills for armor pieces that have skill points in other skills from this list, accounting for how many slots it has as well because that also factors into whether a certain piece is worth it, and then I strategize which decorations I slide in and I strategize which talismán I use, and there ya go.
At the end of the day you just put together the best set you can that gives you as many skills as possible. As long as you’re not using super low tier monster armor, you probably don’t have to worry about defense. Especially after you upgrade the armor to the max.
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@JaxonH OOOH, So would you say skills are more important then defense, Bc I still get hit hard even with my high defense armor, and when I say weapon sets, I mean sets you make for that weapon, like you said you have skill for the CB, bc it works better with that. (Also thanks for the help,)
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Armor/Weapon/Talisman Set
Hunting Horn
Utsushi Mask (Hidden) S
Utsushi Chest (Hidden) S
Utsushi Braces (Hidden) S
Nargacuga Coil S
Melahoa Roots S
Absolute Petalace
Fatal Tempest Talisman
@Snatcher
I mean, I wouldn’t say they’re more important. It just depends on what your defense is.
If your defense is sub-400 then defense should be utmost priority. Make sure you get Defense Lv 7 as one of your skills. But if your defense is over 400, particularly in the 450-500 range, then it’s perfectly adequate as is and your focus can then shift to skills.
I would never prioritize other skills over defense (or the Defense skill) IF my defense was extremely low. But just about any high rank mixed set that’s maxed out is going to have adequate defense. Because the lower defense armor items have worse skills, and are thus much less likely to be used in a mixed set. You don’t really start seeing decent skills until you’re halfway down the armor list, and by that point the defense is adequate.
@JaxonH Oh ok so it depends, Well I get hit alot but it depends on the monster, Mag and Narg are the ones I get by the most. Well I want to show you my states, I will show you once I get back on.
@Snatcher
I would say it depends only if you get carted a ton.
But even then, prioritizing defense simply means working in the defense skill into your set, and while that will take away some room for other skills, there’s still plenty of room for making a mixed set to maximize skills. All mixed sets should have adequate defense due to the fact any armor with decent skills is mid to high tier anyways.
So my advice is just make the best mixed set you can for the skills you want, max out the upgrades, and if you’re still severely struggling and consistently carting, then throw in some defense decorations or rework your set to use some armor pieces with the defense skill, or both. It’ll mean sacrificing points in other skills but hey, that’s the cost of doing business.
@JaxonH Ok thanks for the help, I will try to make a CB set for this last advance quest, And as for carting, I would say I cart at least once for every hunt, its pretty rear for me to cart twice. Oh and I did proof of power solo, no carts.
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@Snatcher
At least once per quest? What's your defense at? If it's 400-450 then it may just come down to playing a bit more defensively and leveraging skills that increase evasion and survivability. But if it's sub-400 then ya, you need to increase defense.
But they're not mutually exclusive. You can make a mixed set that also has solid defense at the same time.
Also be sure to have the Power Charm, Power Talon, Armor Charm and Armor Talon in your item pouch at all times. And if your weapon has the option to ramp up with defense, maybe do that too.
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