Topic: Metroid Prime 4: Beyond

That's comforting. XD I've been abusing save stations when I can. So far I've noticed Torvus has a bit of a water problem, but that hasn't bothered me much...yet.

I have encountered a couple of Grenchlers...ugh. I disliked the baby Sheegoths in Prime 1, but these are, if possible, even harder to kill. Not impossible, but a pain. Bloggs haven't shown up on my radar yet as I don't have any entries detailing them.

It was requested that I post updates on my progress. I think it's helping keep the thread interesting. I may play a little this evening, but I'm out of town for a wedding the rest of the weekend.

Also...Samus has a brother? O.o

@MarcelRguez Yeah, most people would ask "why didn't they show the trailer at E3 then?". Well, that's because I think they were sure they didn't need the trailer to win the E3. The Mario Odyssey trailer along with the others like Kirby , the announcements of Metroid Prime 4 being real and a main Pokemon game were more than enough. With that, they have the upcoming Directs to gather the attention of the gaming community and the media for way more time to come than if they have released the trailer now. They can revive the passion and interest of people at the moment they see the hype is fading with more force than ever by doing that and at the same time, win more time without so much negative feedback in case the game needs to be delayed.

About Reggie in the case of development taking much more time: well, I imagine him not doing much. I can't imagine him giving away any information about the release date if that's the case even as speculation, at least for rest of this year, and that he will continue avoiding it as much as he can. He will talk about how much effort and dedication they have been putting on this game to live up to the fans expectations and that they have been paying attention, so we should stay alert for any upcoming announcement.

I really don't see Metroid Prime 4 taking so much time since after all the wait, not responding at the right time to the hype could turn into something really negative. Maybe how much they prioritize on it will be affected by Samus Returns remake reception.

@Tyranexx yeah listen to Marcel, at this point is just my speculation and I'm just the equivalent of your average friendly internet theorist

Yup. You think Amorbis is bad, you ain't seen nothing yet. This next boss will make Amorbis look like a cakewalk.

The answer to both of these is that you haven't seen the lower areas of Torvus. That's where the Bloggs are and where most of the underwater sections are.

I think it'd be smart for them to just forget about Stylux and the metroid egg in 4 and finally put an origin story for Samus in one of the actual games, especially considering that this will be a ton of peoples' first Metroid game.

Let's see Samus' home planet and family for real, then let's see them get messed up by space pirates. Let's see the Chozo at all (no the ghost enemy type doesn't count), then let's see them get messed up by metroids or something. That provides and impetus for Samus to go on the rest of her journey, and maybe it even takes place on the same planets so she can walk through the ruined levels as she's exploring all metroidvania style. This part with her as an adult could be after Prime 3 so the timeline doesn't get too confusing.

We've never seen this series tackle truly lived-in environments, so I'd like to see that. I want to be able to tell what the daily drama of the people who lived in the once-civilized parts of the map is Skyrim and Life is Strange-style.

@MarcelRguez Honest mistake, but he is just a stupid faceless, dimensionless boss from Hunters in the end.

That kinda applies to everything Metroid though, especially villains and any other character aside from Samus. That is easily corrected by developing the character in the next game too.

I do like your idea about getting to know more about Samus and the Chozo.

@MarcelRguez Yeah, I think so too but I'm a bit paranoid at this point, so I would buy Metroid cotton swabs just to be sure.

@MarcelRguez We finished the fight.

And I just think a completely new villain — and visual design for that matter — would be better suited than a preexisting character. It's strange, I didn't realize Hunters was developed by Nintendo internal. I thought it was some throwaway western dev, haha.

@DarthNocturnal Weird, I always forget that there's a studio called 'Nintendo' in Washington. I wonder what they're working on besides that Super Mario Maker port and Mario & DK Amiibo game.

Eh, not really. Boost Guardian and Spider Guardian spike in difficulty, the rest are pretty reasonable.

@Bolt_Strike But the irony about Power Bomb Guardian is that if you didn't fight it in an area with an overhang to crush it with, it'd be totally unbeatable. The bomb slots didn't actually hurt it, the lifebar was just a measure of progress.

Anyways, the teases. The Federation Force one can easily be ignored since it has always been implied that one can simply mosey on over to SR388 if they ever need to grab some more Metroids (and then cheaply clone them). As for the Prime 3 ship, it could really be anything. Could be Sylux, though the aesthetic of the ship doesn't really match. Maybe a Phryssigian (whatever the name of Rundas's home planet is spelled)?

I think you guys are forgetting how lame Petey Piranha, The Thing, and Omega Sigma Phi were as bosses in the first game. Meanwhile Echoes has you fighting a Scarab three years before Halo managed it.

Well yeah, the later fights did get longer, but not necessarily harder.

I think he means another Phryggian other than Rundas.

Also spoilers plz.

Speaking of doing things in Prime 2 differently, I have to wonder if they were to do Prime Trilogy HD, would they add any more content to the games or just the same games at higher resolutions? I can think of several things, particularly for the first two games, that they could add.

@Bolt_Strike Really? I feel like that would take away from the experience since the items are so tied into the progression and narrative, and mapped to specific boss fights.

I feel like a proper HD remake of the trilogy would have to be done by Bluepoint or Retro themselves, and feature brand new texture work. I would love to see some of Echoes' skyboxes in HD. Also, I would hate a remake that focused on 1 above 2 and 3 assuming that's the game most people would play. That'd be even more disrespect than the lazy Twilight Princess HD remake.

Well one of the things is that some of the powerups in 2 and 3 would be fun to use in 1 and 2. The grapple powerups, and Seeker Missiles and Screw Attack in Prime 1 would be great additions to the game, and there's some areas from both that could use some fleshing out. And I'd definitely like to see them do more with Magmoor Caverns, Phazon Mines, and Ing Hive, they're fairly linear and devoid of content. They could kill two birds with one stone if they went back and added those newer areas as extra content to some of those areas.

But yeah, Prime 3 being the odd man out wouldn't quite be far. But I really can't think of anything to add to that game (maybe do more with Bryyo Ice? IDK).

@Bolt_Strike I've always wanted to be able to explore one of the floating planetoids soaking up the pollution on Bryyo and maybe get some more resolution to the whole science and primal lords storyline. And maybe they could expand Phaaze to be a full planet like they considered in development, however you can already travel inside of a leviathan in that game. It's more than content-complete, and I don't understand how this would even get done without Retro developing. Adding new content to not just one but three games would be a significant task. I think we'll just have to wait until 4 for any new content.

@Haru17 Yeah, I don't see new content coming if a trilogy remaster happens. I mean come on, if you look at other collections and remasters, not even cut content is added back in for example:

• Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD didn't add any temples
• Halo 2 in MCC still has that really bad ending rather than 1-2 extra missions at the end with Master Chief

@DarthNocturnal Didn't Prime 1 have that unused Meta Kraid boss in the Phazon Mines?

@Bolt_Strike If a game has Super Missiles, you won't use Seekers for anything other than things that require them. Trust me.

That interview would seem to indicate 4 is returning to the original Prime's full implicit storytelling, as opposed to Corruption. Not sure what "new" storyline would tie together the events of previous games, considering the main thing that did (Phazon) was completely destroyed...

OR WAS IT???

@meleebrawler I could see Phazon returning, it is pretty easy to create technicalities which bring back fan favourite parts of game franchises. The most recent example of this is the Flood in the Halo franchise. Thought to be completely wiped out at the end of Halo 3, a technicality was used to bring it back in the upcoming Halo Wars 2 expansion (Halo Wars 2 and the expansion are set after Halo 5) and hence will more than likely appear in Halo 6.

@Grumblevolcano I suppose one could just say that some unheard-of planet far away got hit by a Leviathan long ago, and was corrupted enough to become a second Phaaze, one that escaped the destruction of the original.