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Topic: Another Cultural question about western gamers..

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GMB-001

Hi, like the title said, I have a question about western gamers and how they think and perceive things..

Just like before, I'm not trying to start a flame war here, nor that I'm trolling.. I'm just curious how western people think..

So I have noticed that whenever bad news comes about a Japanese company, some people (Especially Americans) are quickly shouting from atop the mountains how the Japanese industry is "dead" or "doomed"..

Remember when Capcom was facing financial difficulties two years ago? People went crazy and used that and generalized it on the entire Japanese gaming industry, but when they (Capcom) turned it around and started making good games again, suddenly it's all quite.. No one said anything about it and it's like they wanted to keep it a secret or something..

But on the other hand, there were 19 western studios and publishers that actually did went bankrupt back in 2012 like THQ but no one went crazy over that.. They did mentioned only THQ, but it certainly wasn't on the level of Capcom.. And they didn't say anything about the other companies..

And this is still going on to this day, Ubisoft have ruined the Division with online only. rainbow 6 has no campaign and the game looks lacklustre to say the least and I also believe it was rushed.Same with EA, their latest Need For Speed, Star Wars Battlefront is being rushed and doesn't have campaign.. But no one is using this to label the whole western industry as "doomed" or "trashy"..

Even if they generalize it, they generalize it only over the AAA or the indie industries, not the western one..

So why is that? Why is that when a single Japanese company is screwing up, people generalize it over the whole Japanese industry, but when EA, Activison, Ubisoft, Bethesda, MS, King and many, many more are screwing up or tying to scam people outta their money with games like Evolve or Angry Birds, People only attack those individual companies instead of the whole western industry?

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TeeJay

This is the first time I've heard that people are attacking the entire Japanese gaming industry instead of individual companies, and I'm a westerner.

I don't think this is a westerner thing I think it's just an idiots thing.

I couldn't care less about what country a company is from, personally. If they're screwing up them I will point it out either way.

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TeeJay wrote:

I don't think this is a westerner thing I think it's just an idiots thing.

This. Honestly, I think people just like sounding smart and over-analyzing things without having a damn clue what they're saying.

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gcunit

Capcom is perceived quite positively in the west due to its standing in the industry, thanks to its history of big iconic games (e.g. Street Fighter 2).

EA and Ubisoft are perceived negatively by many and many would cheer if they went under.

Bad news sells more than good news.

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CaviarMeths

Might be preaching to the choir here. Nintendo fans aren't exactly the most enthusiast group about western AAA games. Most of us had no plans to buy The Division anyway.

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erv

Are you japanese? Japan has a very honourable culture, and few western people realize that. Those that do, however respectful, still think some aspects are dangerous in business as well as culture, like revisionism, or only in business, like honorary standing, or only in culture, like school performance tutoring. Japan is very outgoing and kind, though, and I learned a lot from having colleagues in japan and what they shared and brought with them as customs and habits. If you think people bash japanese companies because of their heritage, I think your perception might be coloured and unusually wrong. After all, japanese gaming companies are usually the most iconic as they were the ones pioneering the entire industry and bringing it to relevance worldwide, making them most visible to the industry.

But I haven’t found any specific japanese company hostility anywhere. If the output is worse off and perceived as bad business practice, people talk about it anyway. For instance, I perceive capcom as annoying, because they make great games (I’m a monster hunter fan) and release only half of them in the west, a year late, or half supported, and then try to sell three incompatible tiny remake versions of street fighter again.

Nothing japanese or western, just business as usual people would challenge.

Or nintendo, disregarding online play for so long it made people in the west wonder. We don’t have a community gaming culture and are used to multi dimensional contact through digital means, so online play works as a social mechanism in the west more. I still don’t like how I can’t join a friend online in splatoon, talk to him and whoever is with him physically, and have all of us three together, at two different locations and systems, free joining the world together. It’s a simple concept.

When people talk about this, they may highlight japanese context to explain how this came about and how this became disconnected from its true potential, but what they critique has nothing to do with what is japanese, it has to do with output being sub-par compared to what could have been.

And EA? That’s just about everything gaming shouldn’t be to me.

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CaviarMeths

erv wrote:

Are you japanese? Japan has a very honourable culture, and few western people realize that. Those that do, however respectful, still think some aspects are dangerous in business as well as culture, like revisionism, or only in business, like honorary standing, or only in culture, like school performance tutoring. Japan is very outgoing and kind, though, and I learned a lot from having colleagues in japan and what they shared and brought with them as customs and habits. If you think people bash japanese companies because of their heritage, I think your perception might be coloured and unusually wrong. After all, japanese gaming companies are usually the most iconic as they were the ones pioneering the entire industry and bringing it to relevance worldwide, making them most visible to the industry.

Broad generalizations like this are almost never useful, especially when they're not gained from first hand experience.

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erv

They are necessary when taking about the generalization "western gamers" and "japanese businesses" with regard to culture. None of it reflects my own desire to do so, just a response to see if there is more to a question that, at its core, seems interesting to me.

And what makes you think that there's no first hand experience with business culture when clearly stated otherwise?

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