It is not a case of "Nintendo puts the binding of Isaac", it's more like "Nintendo allows the binding of Isaac".
It would be the same for your religious virtual console games. Nintendo simply won't go around wasting money so that those games will be on the 3DS, their developers or whatever company owns them should show interest first.
And again, since at least one of these (the snes one, dunno about the GBA one) was never even a legally released product, the chances of Nintendo even allowing them on the service are probably rather small. It would be like Nintendo adding Chinese super Mario bros knockoffs and Pokemon hacks to the virtual console.
no one is attacking you or your faith. faith is something totally personal. if you feel insulted by a GAME then you may ask yourself how strong your believe really is. no one is forcing you to play anything. games are art and a free form of expression.
i really don't understand your point. first you say you won't buy fantasy life because "god" told you not to buy it and now you feel insulted by a game you actually never played and even want to boycott nintendo if it really comes out someday. just relax and enjoy life
Quite frankly i don't care how big a licensing issue is. If they put Binding of Issac (trash) on 3ds then they can put bible game- gba & super noah's ark -snes on 3ds as well.
Nintendo has put christian games on there consoles/handhelds in the past. What would be the big deal now? What nintendo is ok with letting games on 3ds with demon's in them like demon king box but not christian games?!
Happy Gaming! (>_<)
As I said lets try to use common sense when discussing this if developers aren't making Christian/Biblical themed games for Nintendo systems currently most likely because there isn't much of a market (never has been really) hence a lot of those games being put on the console illegally to avoid licence fees would you want that kind of game on the eshop honestly?
then they can put bible game- gba & super noah's ark -snes on 3ds as well.
Super Noah's Ark 3D is not a bible game. At no point in the bible does Noah run around and shoot goats with a slingshot, nor does the game have any positive moral or religious message whatsoever. It just happens to have the words "Noah" and "ark" in the title.
As for prayer I pray about everything including what video games to play. I don't care if it sound's silly. I just do. I prefer to not get a game that mock's the bible or has occult in it. I prayed about fantasy life 3ds because at one point I really did want to play it but after researching it online & praying about it. I'm skipping the title... Not much more to be said..
no one is attacking you or your faith. faith is something totally personal. if you feel insulted by a GAME then you may ask yourself how strong your believe really is. no one is forcing you to play anything. games are art and a free form of expression.
i really don't understand your point. first you say you won't buy fantasy life because "god" told you not to buy it and now you feel insulted by a game you actually never played and even want to boycott nintendo if it really comes out someday. just relax and enjoy life
BoI directly attacks the Christian and Jewish faiths, actually. Being insulted by BoI does not show weakness in one's faith, but a belief in the sacredness of the Bible. And art can absolutely be offensive, and insulting.
If a store started selling products that supported anti-black sentiment, I'd imagine a lot of people would boycott the store, and no one would question their motives. If Nintendo starts selling anti-Christian games, why would it be unreasonable for the same thing to happen?
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Thing is, there's a difference between not supporting a developer and calling for a game to never get released because you are personally offended by it. No one says you have to play the game, just let people who want to play it have the opportunity.
As I said lets try to use common sense when discussing this if developers aren't making Christian/Biblical themed games for Nintendo systems currently most likely because there isn't much of a market (never has been really) hence a lot of those games being put on the console illegally to avoid licence fees would you want that kind of game on the eshop honestly?
I'd be surprised if there was really no market for Christian games, since almost 80% of Americans are Christian (combining Protestant and Catholic). My understanding is that the Wisdom Tree games were produced unofficially because Nintendo didn't allow religious games on their systems as a matter of policy, not because there was no money in it.
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I don't really think the game is trying to directly insult any religion though.
It's about a mentally unstable woman who hears voices that tell her to kill her son, and about her son escaping from her in what is apparently a portal to hell located in their basement.
Now, you could take that literally in a religious way. They had a freaking portal to hell itself in their basement, wouldn't that mean that the voices are more likely to come from there? Wouldn't the fact that hell exists in the game support the ideas of those religions?
There's also another way to read these things, the kid is the mentally unstable one and everything is a fabrication by a tortured mind. He's apparently had a really terrible life, so it would make sense for a child to make up a fantasy world were he can destroy the source of his problems. Being son to a conservative religious woman, it would make sense that his fantasy world would take the form of a tale from the bible, since he's probably read it and is unable to understand it.
In the end, it is just a silly and grotesque game with an equally silly story that is just there to justify it's grotesqueness.
I don't really think the game is trying to directly insult any religion though.
It's about a mentally unstable woman who hears voices that tell her to kill her son, and about her son escaping from her in what is apparently a portal to hell located in their basement.
Now, you could take that literally in a religious way. They had a freaking portal to hell itself in their basement, wouldn't that mean that the voices are more likely to come from there? Wouldn't the fact that hell exists in the game support the ideas of those religions?
There's also another way to read these things, the kid is the mentally unstable one and everything is a fabrication by a tortured mind. He's apparently had a really terrible life, so it would make sense for a child to make up a fantasy world were he can destroy the source of his problems. Being son to a conservative religious woman, it would make sense that his fantasy world would take the form of a tale from the bible, since he's probably read it and is unable to understand it.
In the end, it is just a silly and grotesque game with an equally silly story that is just there to justify it's grotesqueness.
The insult comes from the fact that the game is a twisted version of a Biblical story. The developer took the story of Isaac and not only twisted it into something ugly, but made that twisted version of the story the premise for a disgusting game. What's more, the story of Isaac is one of profound faith. In BoI that faith is equated to insanity. The game is absolutely an insult to Christianity and Judaism. Even if I wasn't a Christian, I hope I'd have the decency to not support such a blatantly hateful game.
Neither of your ideas change anything. The first idea could work, but it's quite a stretch, and even then the game is made insulting by the use of Isaac's name, and the disgusting nature of the game. Your second idea is the equivalent of having a character wake up from a dream. The problem is that the developer still designed that dream to be insulting to Christians and Jews. Saying "it was just imagined by the character" doesn't excuse the content.
Thing is, there's a difference between not supporting a developer and calling for a game to never get released because you are personally offended by it. No one says you have to play the game, just let people who want to play it have the opportunity.
Would you say the same thing if the game was racist, homophobic, sexist, or pornographic? Should Nintendo let everything on the eshop, regardless of how offensive it may be, if there are people interested in playing it?
I am the TrueWiiMaster! Those who call the Wii casual BEWARE!
Thing is, there's a difference between not supporting a developer and calling for a game to never get released because you are personally offended by it. No one says you have to play the game, just let people who want to play it have the opportunity.
Would you say the same thing if the game was racist, homophobic, sexist, or pornographic? Should Nintendo let everything on the eshop, regardless of how offensive it may be, if there are people interested in playing it?
Oh, if it were any of those things, people would be irate. But since it makes fun of Christianity, people don't care.
And the implicated religions will only begin care if the game becomes super lucrative.
If by "religions" you mean "religious people", you're half right. More religious people would care if more religious people knew, and the bigger the game became the more people would know. Even so, religious people that know now, including several in this thread, clearly care already. To imply that religious people don't care unless the game's successful simply isn't right.
I am the TrueWiiMaster! Those who call the Wii casual BEWARE!
Thing is, there's a difference between not supporting a developer and calling for a game to never get released because you are personally offended by it. No one says you have to play the game, just let people who want to play it have the opportunity.
Would you say the same thing if the game was racist, homophobic, sexist, or pornographic?
Thing is, there's a difference between not supporting a developer and calling for a game to never get released because you are personally offended by it. No one says you have to play the game, just let people who want to play it have the opportunity.
Would you say the same thing if the game was racist, homophobic, sexist, or pornographic?
Yep, I would. As long as it is fun.
Obvious troll, but I will humor you by saying that from my perspective, that position is indefensible.
Embracing the notion that it's only a game does not in any way lessen the degree of moral obligation that a person has when observing or partaking in virtual actions that are counter to a social paradigm. For a tangible example, the act of purchasing a game which blatantly objectifies some reprehensible act (not speaking of parody here) could be misinterpreted as a motion of support for such activities. Or even more simply, asking a friend to observe or participate in a game that you know they find offensive could undermine your position as a morally neutral fun-seeker.
Obvious troll, but I will humor you by saying that from my perspective, that position is indefensible.
Embracing the notion that it's only a game does not in any way lessen the degree of moral obligation that a person has when observing or partaking in virtual actions that are counter to a social paradigm. For a tangible example, the act of purchasing a game which blatantly objectifies some reprehensible act (not speaking of parody here) could be misinterpreted as a motion of support for such activities. Or even more simply, asking a friend to observe or participate in a game that you know they find offensive could undermine your position as a morally neutral fun-seeker.
You do realise that video games are mostly fiction, fiction being basically the ultimate form of parody, just because it isn't funny doesn't make it any less of a parody. "For a tangible example, the act of purchasing a game which blatantly objectifies some reprehensible act (not speaking of parody here) could be misinterpreted as a motion of support for such activities." So if I purchase Grand Theft Auto or Call of Duty or BF I am supporting murdering people? Because I purchase D&D handbooks I believe we should live a life adventuring and exploring, to be a PC and not an NPC? Couldn't be because I want to play a game and have fun? And in no way am I saying that a person should be forced to be play something they don't want to:
Operative:"No one says you have to play the game, just let people who want to play it have the opportunity."
TrueWiiMaster:"Would you say the same thing if the game was racist, homophobic, sexist, or pornographic?"
Me:"Yep, I would. As long as it is fun."
So basically I'm saying I would play a game that was racist, homophobic, sexist, or pornographic, but it doesn't have to be scrapped because other people don't like the themes (in fact I have played games with each of those things in them, sometimes they had more than one of those traits in them, clean criminal record). What are we going to ban tennis games because people don't like it and want soccer instead?
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