Or it is a story about how some will use faith to justify their insanity. Just because there is one way to interpret something doesn't make it insulting, if that was the case I should be insulted everytime someone writes or says cracker.
Either way, it uses a story about faith to attack faith. It either equates faith with insanity, or makes faith a characteristic of the insane.
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It doesn't for the same reason that a suicide bomber believing they are acting on behalf of a faith doesn't necessarily mean everyone with faith might be a suicide bomber.
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Or it is a story about how some will use faith to justify their insanity. Just because there is one way to interpret something doesn't make it insulting, if that was the case I should be insulted everytime someone writes or says cracker.
Either way, it uses a story about faith to attack faith. It either equates faith with insanity, or makes faith a characteristic of the insane.
It uses a story from the bible to tell a different story. We see this all the time. I am not saying you have to be ok with it, just understand that people want to play it on a certain console. There is no reason why Nintendo shouldn't allow it on the system, but they have the right to not allow it for any reason they see fit. You may not want to see it on the console but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be there and if it does end up there it doesn't mean you have to play it.
Or it is a story about how some will use faith to justify their insanity. Just because there is one way to interpret something doesn't make it insulting, if that was the case I should be insulted everytime someone writes or says cracker.
Either way, it uses a story about faith to attack faith. It either equates faith with insanity, or makes faith a characteristic of the insane.
But it isn't attacking faith per se. It merely shows an insane mother who is trying to kill her son, and the voices in her head are telling her to do it. This happens fairly often in real life, yet we do not see this as a wholesale rejection of faith. So please give up now. Admit you are wrong or please just stop repeating yourself so people can talk about the actual topic of this thread.
No one is calling you crazy or murderous because you believe in god, though your propensity to repeat yourself is proving otherwise.
It doesn't for the same reason that a suicide bomber believing they are acting on behalf of a faith doesn't necessarily mean everyone with faith might be a suicide bomber.
That's true, but to make a game using a story about faith, and have the insane murderer think they have great faith certainly paints faith in a bad light. It may not mean all insane people have faith, or that all faithful people are insane, but it does take a story where faith was the "hero" and make it the "villain".
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It uses a story from the bible to tell a different story. We see this all the time. I am not saying you have to be ok with it, just understand that people want to play it on a certain console. There is no reason why Nintendo shouldn't allow it on the system, but they have the right to not allow it for any reason they see fit. You may not want to see it on the console but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be there and if it does end up there it doesn't mean you have to play it.
It's more like using a story from the Bible to tell a story against the original story...
There a several great reasons Nintendo shouldn't allow BoI on the eshop, actually. 1) They don't want bad press. All it would take is one kid getting BoI, and the whole thing could end up on the news titled "Nintendo sells anti-Christian Game" (which would be true, actually). 2) Nintendo has a long-held policy blocking religious content from its platforms. There's no denying religion's role in BoI, whether you think it's offensive or not. Allowing it on the eshop could open the floodgates. If Nintendo allowed anti-Christian content but denied pro-Christian content, they might be liable for discrimination charges, and rightly so (if someone here has a legal background, correct me if I'm wrong). They'd also have to allow games from other religions, of course. and 3) It simply wouldn't be worth it. I highly doubt the game would sell anywhere near enough to cover the risk to Nintendo's reputation. While I'm the first to say Nintendo has many adult fans, they have a lot of young fans too, and this game is very M. That immediately limits the audience. I'd imagine there would be a lot of adult fans avoiding this game too, whether from disapproval or disinterest.
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It uses a story from the bible to tell a different story. We see this all the time. I am not saying you have to be ok with it, just understand that people want to play it on a certain console. There is no reason why Nintendo shouldn't allow it on the system, but they have the right to not allow it for any reason they see fit. You may not want to see it on the console but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be there and if it does end up there it doesn't mean you have to play it.
It's more like using a story from the Bible to tell a story against the original story...
There a several great reasons Nintendo shouldn't allow BoI on the eshop, actually. 1) They don't want bad press. All it would take is one kid getting BoI, and the whole thing could end up on the news titled "Nintendo sells anti-Christian Game" (which would be true, actually). 2) Nintendo has a long-held policy blocking religious content from its platforms. There's no denying religion's role in BoI, whether you think it's offensive or not. Allowing it on the eshop could open the floodgates. If Nintendo allowed anti-Christian content but denied pro-Christian content, they might be liable for discrimination charges, and rightly so (if someone here has a legal background, correct me if I'm wrong). They'd also have to allow games from other religions, of course. and 3) It simply wouldn't be worth it. I highly doubt the game would sell anywhere near enough to cover the risk to Nintendo's reputation. While I'm the first to say Nintendo has many adult fans, they have a lot of young fans too, and this game is very M. That immediately limits the audience. I'd imagine there would be a lot of adult fans avoiding this game too, whether from disapproval or disinterest.
1) The game is avalible to children already. 2) That is true which is why Nintendo probably won't let this come to 3DS but it isn't a reason why they shouldn't (if that makes any sense... the reason why people do things doesn't always equal the reason they should do things) 3. It would be very low risk to Nintendo. Nintendo is publishing Bayonetta 2 which has witches killing Angels by stripping or something like that, don't know how BoI would be viewed as worst than that. Also I am pretty sure they have safeguards to stop kids from buying Mature Titles without their parents "permission" (permission is in quotes because there are probably ways to bypass this but that is more on the Parents head than Nintendo's) 4) Video games are an art form where creators should be free to express themselves, so why can't this creator freely express himself on a Nintendo platform (if Nintendo did approve it)
But it isn't attacking faith per se. It merely shows an insane mother who is trying to kill her son, and the voices in her head are telling her to do it. This happens fairly often in real life, yet we do not see this as a wholesale rejection of faith. So please give up now. Admit you are wrong or please just stop repeating yourself so people can talk about the actual topic of this thread.
No one is calling you crazy or murderous because you believe in god, though your propensity to repeat yourself is proving otherwise.
Unless I'm mistaken, it shows a woman who thinks the Christian God is telling her to kill her son, supposedly because of insanity. That's a big distinction. As I've said several times, it's the game's strong connection to Christianity that's the problem. It uses a Biblical story, a Biblical character, and an insane Christian woman to tell a violent, disgusting story. If the game was only meant to be a commentary on misplaced faith, mental illness, or child abuse, it didn't need the Christian elements, and without them the game would be far less insulting and far less controversial.
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1) The game is avalible to children already. 2) That is true which is why Nintendo probably won't let this come to 3DS but it isn't a reason why they shouldn't (if that makes any sense... the reason why people do things doesn't always equal the reason they should do things) 3. It would be very low risk to Nintendo. Nintendo is publishing Bayonetta 2 which has witches killing Angels by stripping or something like that, don't know how BoI would be viewed as worst than that. Also I am pretty sure they have safeguards to stop kids from buying Mature Titles without their parents "permission" (permission is in quotes because there are probably ways to bypass this but that is more on the Parents head than Nintendo's) 4) Video games are an art form where creators should be free to express themselves, so why can't this creator freely express himself on a Nintendo platform (if Nintendo did approve it)
1) Perhaps, but not on Nintendo's systems. Many parents buy their children Nintendo systems in part because they think they're safer (as they have been).
2) It's a great reason to keep BoI off the system. The last thing I want to see is Nintendo involved with religion.
3) I don't know too much about Bayonetta, but, as with SMT, I don't think it actually uses much from the Bible. BoI directly and blatantly does.
4) By that logic, Nintendo should just become an open platform, letting everything on the eshop regardless of content or quality. It's all art, right?
1) Perhaps, but not on Nintendo's systems. Many parents buy their children Nintendo systems in part because they think they're safer (as they have been).
And the system is safer, as long as you use the tools Nintendo provides to keep your children from accessing the "unsafe" material.
2) It's a great reason to keep BoI off the system. The last thing I want to see is Nintendo involved with religion.
Nintendo is not getting involved with religion. Nintendo would just be allowing a game to be sold in their store. Just like Walmart selling Fifty Shades of Gray, but not being involved with Porn.
4) By that logic, Nintendo should just become an open platform, letting everything on the eshop regardless of content or quality. It's all art, right?
That doesn't make any sense. I was talking about the creator not the platform holder. I even gave the clause "if Nintendo did approve it" I don't think they will but if they did then why shouldn't the creator be allowed to express themselves?
People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...
It is not the place of a school, unless faith based, to provide religious education. Yes, you still have some of your tax monies going to public schools, but they also go for roads you will never drive on.
Please provide some legitimate citations for the Christians who are fired from their jobs because of their religion.
Also, please stop making your point then saying the issue shouldn't be discussed here.
It is not the place of a school, unless faith based, to provide religious education. Yes, you still have some of your tax monies going to public schools, but they also go for roads you will never drive on.
Please provide some legitimate citations for the Christians who are fired from their jobs because of their religion.
Also, please stop making your point then saying the issue shouldn't be discussed here.
I agree. I was responding to someone's list of privileges Christians supposedly enjoy. The list included Christian schools, which I pointed out were usually very expensive, and Christian teachers in public schools, which don't make a difference, since teachers can't teach religion either way. In some states people who choose to send their children to private schools can get a large deduction/refund. Sometimes you can also get state-funded homeschooling. It does seem strange to have to pay for public schools and a private school.
There are more, but they aren't easy to find on Google. I've seen many over the years, but a few seem to have taken over the search results. The last link is for a bakery that was shut down for its owners' Christian beliefs.
Though it seems pointless now, I was trying to reply to questions without diverting the topic too much.
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1) Perhaps, but not on Nintendo's systems. Many parents buy their children Nintendo systems in part because they think they're safer (as they have been).
And the system is safer, as long as you use the tools Nintendo provides to keep your children from accessing the "unsafe" material.
2) It's a great reason to keep BoI off the system. The last thing I want to see is Nintendo involved with religion.
Nintendo is not getting involved with religion. Nintendo would just be allowing a game to be sold in their store. Just like Walmart selling Fifty Shades of Gray, but not being involved with Porn.
4) By that logic, Nintendo should just become an open platform, letting everything on the eshop regardless of content or quality. It's all art, right?
That doesn't make any sense. I was talking about the creator not the platform holder. I even gave the clause "if Nintendo did approve it" I don't think they will but if they did then why shouldn't the creator be allowed to express themselves?
By "safer" I meant content-wise. Whether you or I agree with that is irrelevant. It's the reputation Nintendo has with many people. In other words, parents would be more likely to be upset seeing BoI on the 3DS than on the Vita or 360.
If they allow an anti-Christian game on the eshop, they should, and might be forced to, also allow pro-Christian games on the eshop. Of course, games of all religions would have to be allowed as well. I for one don't want an eshop full of religious games. If they only allowed the anti-Christian game on the eshop, on the other hand, they'd be discriminating against Christians, which is worse.
I've never heard of an official game doing that, no. That's why BoI is more controversial than games like Bayonetta or SMT.
Let me correct myself then. By that logic, Nintendo should become a mostly open platform, letting everything on the eshop regardless of content. If objectionable content isn't a reason to keep BoI off the eshop, then it wouldn't be a reason to keep anything off the eshop. Aside from quality control, there would be no fair reason to allow BoI on the eshop and block anything else.
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By "safer" I meant content-wise. Whether you or I agree with that is irrelevant. It's the reputation Nintendo has with many people. In other words, parents would be more likely to be upset seeing BoI on the 3DS than on the Vita or 360.
If they allow an anti-Christian game on the eshop, they should, and might be forced to, also allow pro-Christian games on the eshop. Of course, games of all religions would have to be allowed as well. I for one don't want an eshop full of religious games. If they only allowed the anti-Christian game on the eshop, on the other hand, they'd be discriminating against Christians, which is worse.
I've never heard of an official game doing that, no. That's why BoI is more controversial than games like Bayonetta or SMT.
Let me correct myself then. By that logic, Nintendo should become a mostly open platform, letting everything on the eshop regardless of content. If objectionable content isn't a reason to keep BoI off the eshop, then it wouldn't be a reason to keep anything off the eshop. Aside from quality control, there would be no fair reason to allow BoI on the eshop and block anything else.
You are right that if Nintendo allows BoI on the eShop then anything else should be allowed on in the eShop, keeping in mind the quality control can still prevent plenty from appearing. Is there a game that is trying to get on eShop but Nintendo won't allow it because it has positive religious themes? But we are talking about should(s) and shouldn't(s). Overall it is Nintendo's choice. If they allow BoI on the eShop all it means is that they allowed a popular indie game on their service. Some might take it as a political stand or that Nintendo is anti-religion, but in reality all it means is that Nintendo allowed a game on their marketplace. This shouldn't be taken as anything more than a game release.
@WaLzgi Is this appropriate? I know we are walking the line with this conversation but I am trying not to bring in specific religion talk.
The only thing that should stop Nintendo putting a game on the eshop is the quality of the gameplay, not some religious themes. If there was a pro religion game that was as fun as Isaac I'd totally be screaming for Nintendo to put it in their shop. If Isaac sucked then it shouldn't be allowed. If it's fun then it should. Nintendo quality standards and all that
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