So you are caught up by the name? Other games and media have used the name Isaac. I am still lost on how it is insulting. He takes a story from the Bible and changes it... just because some people may not like what he changed it to doesn't make it insulting.
It's not simply the use of the name Isaac. People use Biblical names all the time. It's that he specifically borrowed it from the Bible because he was telling a warped version of the story of Isaac.
That's quite an understatement. He didn't just take a Bible story and change it a little. He twisted it to mean the opposite of what it originally meant, and made it disgusting. If someone was trying to insult the story of Isaac, they couldn't do a much better job.
Still don't see how it is insulting, sounds like he changed the story and added a style that you don't like.
People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...
So you are caught up by the name? Other games and media have used the name Isaac. I am still lost on how it is insulting. He takes a story from the Bible and changes it... just because some people may not like what he changed it to doesn't make it insulting.
It's not simply the use of the name Isaac. People use Biblical names all the time. It's that he specifically borrowed it from the Bible because he was telling a warped version of the story of Isaac.
That's quite an understatement. He didn't just take a Bible story and change it a little. He twisted it to mean the opposite of what it originally meant, and made it disgusting. If someone was trying to insult the story of Isaac, they couldn't do a much better job.
So he insults the Bible story. Don't buy it. Nobody's imposing their will on you, or trying to change laws that make your lifestyle illegal, so I don't see the issue.
Or rather, I don't see the need to repeat yourself ad infinitum.
The warped version is the one in the Bible simple as that. All the evidence points to the Angel bit never happening.
People dealing with it have no integrity or they would remove all sections that are not in the earliest known versions because they must have been added after the fact so they cannot be genuine.
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You are overemphasizing the religious aspect of the game. Sure there are religious themes, but the game does not use religion in an insulting manner at all. It is not about religion per se, but is rather about child abuse, mental illness and the creator coming to terms with his own experience as a child.
Artists have been using popular religious stories to explore various themes for a long long time. Examples: Milton's Paradise Lost, Pier Paolo Pasolini's The Gospel according to John, Martin Scorsese's The last temptation of Christ, Darren Aronofsky's Noah, etc. These works of art are not created to insult or bash Christianity, but rather to explore popular stories or myths or beliefs in order to come to new understandings about themselves and the world.
Filtering one's own life experiences through a biblical story is not insulting. But you twist the themes and the story of the game in order to claim that this game is a direct attack on Christianity when it is clearly not.
Perhaps you're undermining them. I don't see how taking a story of faith, and using it as the basis for a story of insanity and abuse isn't insulting. BoI literally takes the story of Isaac and replaces faith with insanity. How is that twisting anything? And how is that not insulting to the Christian/Jewish faith?
Also, I'm not saying that works like BoI are always meant to be insulting. A person doesn't need to try to insult others to insult them. In other words, intention doesn't necessarily negate insult. No matter the intention, though, I'd say such works reveal a great lack of respect for others.
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Or it is a story about how some will use faith to justify their insanity. Just because there is one way to interpret something doesn't make it insulting, if that was the case I should be insulted everytime someone writes or says cracker.
People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...
Or it is a story about how some will use faith to justify their insanity. Just because there is one way to interpret something doesn't make it insulting, if that was the case I should be insulted everytime someone writes or says cracker.
Either way, it uses a story about faith to attack faith. It either equates faith with insanity, or makes faith a characteristic of the insane.
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It doesn't for the same reason that a suicide bomber believing they are acting on behalf of a faith doesn't necessarily mean everyone with faith might be a suicide bomber.
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Or it is a story about how some will use faith to justify their insanity. Just because there is one way to interpret something doesn't make it insulting, if that was the case I should be insulted everytime someone writes or says cracker.
Either way, it uses a story about faith to attack faith. It either equates faith with insanity, or makes faith a characteristic of the insane.
It uses a story from the bible to tell a different story. We see this all the time. I am not saying you have to be ok with it, just understand that people want to play it on a certain console. There is no reason why Nintendo shouldn't allow it on the system, but they have the right to not allow it for any reason they see fit. You may not want to see it on the console but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be there and if it does end up there it doesn't mean you have to play it.
Or it is a story about how some will use faith to justify their insanity. Just because there is one way to interpret something doesn't make it insulting, if that was the case I should be insulted everytime someone writes or says cracker.
Either way, it uses a story about faith to attack faith. It either equates faith with insanity, or makes faith a characteristic of the insane.
But it isn't attacking faith per se. It merely shows an insane mother who is trying to kill her son, and the voices in her head are telling her to do it. This happens fairly often in real life, yet we do not see this as a wholesale rejection of faith. So please give up now. Admit you are wrong or please just stop repeating yourself so people can talk about the actual topic of this thread.
No one is calling you crazy or murderous because you believe in god, though your propensity to repeat yourself is proving otherwise.
It doesn't for the same reason that a suicide bomber believing they are acting on behalf of a faith doesn't necessarily mean everyone with faith might be a suicide bomber.
That's true, but to make a game using a story about faith, and have the insane murderer think they have great faith certainly paints faith in a bad light. It may not mean all insane people have faith, or that all faithful people are insane, but it does take a story where faith was the "hero" and make it the "villain".
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It uses a story from the bible to tell a different story. We see this all the time. I am not saying you have to be ok with it, just understand that people want to play it on a certain console. There is no reason why Nintendo shouldn't allow it on the system, but they have the right to not allow it for any reason they see fit. You may not want to see it on the console but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be there and if it does end up there it doesn't mean you have to play it.
It's more like using a story from the Bible to tell a story against the original story...
There a several great reasons Nintendo shouldn't allow BoI on the eshop, actually. 1) They don't want bad press. All it would take is one kid getting BoI, and the whole thing could end up on the news titled "Nintendo sells anti-Christian Game" (which would be true, actually). 2) Nintendo has a long-held policy blocking religious content from its platforms. There's no denying religion's role in BoI, whether you think it's offensive or not. Allowing it on the eshop could open the floodgates. If Nintendo allowed anti-Christian content but denied pro-Christian content, they might be liable for discrimination charges, and rightly so (if someone here has a legal background, correct me if I'm wrong). They'd also have to allow games from other religions, of course. and 3) It simply wouldn't be worth it. I highly doubt the game would sell anywhere near enough to cover the risk to Nintendo's reputation. While I'm the first to say Nintendo has many adult fans, they have a lot of young fans too, and this game is very M. That immediately limits the audience. I'd imagine there would be a lot of adult fans avoiding this game too, whether from disapproval or disinterest.
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It uses a story from the bible to tell a different story. We see this all the time. I am not saying you have to be ok with it, just understand that people want to play it on a certain console. There is no reason why Nintendo shouldn't allow it on the system, but they have the right to not allow it for any reason they see fit. You may not want to see it on the console but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be there and if it does end up there it doesn't mean you have to play it.
It's more like using a story from the Bible to tell a story against the original story...
There a several great reasons Nintendo shouldn't allow BoI on the eshop, actually. 1) They don't want bad press. All it would take is one kid getting BoI, and the whole thing could end up on the news titled "Nintendo sells anti-Christian Game" (which would be true, actually). 2) Nintendo has a long-held policy blocking religious content from its platforms. There's no denying religion's role in BoI, whether you think it's offensive or not. Allowing it on the eshop could open the floodgates. If Nintendo allowed anti-Christian content but denied pro-Christian content, they might be liable for discrimination charges, and rightly so (if someone here has a legal background, correct me if I'm wrong). They'd also have to allow games from other religions, of course. and 3) It simply wouldn't be worth it. I highly doubt the game would sell anywhere near enough to cover the risk to Nintendo's reputation. While I'm the first to say Nintendo has many adult fans, they have a lot of young fans too, and this game is very M. That immediately limits the audience. I'd imagine there would be a lot of adult fans avoiding this game too, whether from disapproval or disinterest.
1) The game is avalible to children already. 2) That is true which is why Nintendo probably won't let this come to 3DS but it isn't a reason why they shouldn't (if that makes any sense... the reason why people do things doesn't always equal the reason they should do things) 3. It would be very low risk to Nintendo. Nintendo is publishing Bayonetta 2 which has witches killing Angels by stripping or something like that, don't know how BoI would be viewed as worst than that. Also I am pretty sure they have safeguards to stop kids from buying Mature Titles without their parents "permission" (permission is in quotes because there are probably ways to bypass this but that is more on the Parents head than Nintendo's) 4) Video games are an art form where creators should be free to express themselves, so why can't this creator freely express himself on a Nintendo platform (if Nintendo did approve it)
But it isn't attacking faith per se. It merely shows an insane mother who is trying to kill her son, and the voices in her head are telling her to do it. This happens fairly often in real life, yet we do not see this as a wholesale rejection of faith. So please give up now. Admit you are wrong or please just stop repeating yourself so people can talk about the actual topic of this thread.
No one is calling you crazy or murderous because you believe in god, though your propensity to repeat yourself is proving otherwise.
Unless I'm mistaken, it shows a woman who thinks the Christian God is telling her to kill her son, supposedly because of insanity. That's a big distinction. As I've said several times, it's the game's strong connection to Christianity that's the problem. It uses a Biblical story, a Biblical character, and an insane Christian woman to tell a violent, disgusting story. If the game was only meant to be a commentary on misplaced faith, mental illness, or child abuse, it didn't need the Christian elements, and without them the game would be far less insulting and far less controversial.
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1) The game is avalible to children already. 2) That is true which is why Nintendo probably won't let this come to 3DS but it isn't a reason why they shouldn't (if that makes any sense... the reason why people do things doesn't always equal the reason they should do things) 3. It would be very low risk to Nintendo. Nintendo is publishing Bayonetta 2 which has witches killing Angels by stripping or something like that, don't know how BoI would be viewed as worst than that. Also I am pretty sure they have safeguards to stop kids from buying Mature Titles without their parents "permission" (permission is in quotes because there are probably ways to bypass this but that is more on the Parents head than Nintendo's) 4) Video games are an art form where creators should be free to express themselves, so why can't this creator freely express himself on a Nintendo platform (if Nintendo did approve it)
1) Perhaps, but not on Nintendo's systems. Many parents buy their children Nintendo systems in part because they think they're safer (as they have been).
2) It's a great reason to keep BoI off the system. The last thing I want to see is Nintendo involved with religion.
3) I don't know too much about Bayonetta, but, as with SMT, I don't think it actually uses much from the Bible. BoI directly and blatantly does.
4) By that logic, Nintendo should just become an open platform, letting everything on the eshop regardless of content or quality. It's all art, right?
1) Perhaps, but not on Nintendo's systems. Many parents buy their children Nintendo systems in part because they think they're safer (as they have been).
And the system is safer, as long as you use the tools Nintendo provides to keep your children from accessing the "unsafe" material.
2) It's a great reason to keep BoI off the system. The last thing I want to see is Nintendo involved with religion.
Nintendo is not getting involved with religion. Nintendo would just be allowing a game to be sold in their store. Just like Walmart selling Fifty Shades of Gray, but not being involved with Porn.
4) By that logic, Nintendo should just become an open platform, letting everything on the eshop regardless of content or quality. It's all art, right?
That doesn't make any sense. I was talking about the creator not the platform holder. I even gave the clause "if Nintendo did approve it" I don't think they will but if they did then why shouldn't the creator be allowed to express themselves?
People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...
It is not the place of a school, unless faith based, to provide religious education. Yes, you still have some of your tax monies going to public schools, but they also go for roads you will never drive on.
Please provide some legitimate citations for the Christians who are fired from their jobs because of their religion.
Also, please stop making your point then saying the issue shouldn't be discussed here.
It is not the place of a school, unless faith based, to provide religious education. Yes, you still have some of your tax monies going to public schools, but they also go for roads you will never drive on.
Please provide some legitimate citations for the Christians who are fired from their jobs because of their religion.
Also, please stop making your point then saying the issue shouldn't be discussed here.
I agree. I was responding to someone's list of privileges Christians supposedly enjoy. The list included Christian schools, which I pointed out were usually very expensive, and Christian teachers in public schools, which don't make a difference, since teachers can't teach religion either way. In some states people who choose to send their children to private schools can get a large deduction/refund. Sometimes you can also get state-funded homeschooling. It does seem strange to have to pay for public schools and a private school.
There are more, but they aren't easy to find on Google. I've seen many over the years, but a few seem to have taken over the search results. The last link is for a bakery that was shut down for its owners' Christian beliefs.
Though it seems pointless now, I was trying to reply to questions without diverting the topic too much.
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